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real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 64
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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Amazingly, the true colors of the cult-watch hysteria is showing. I recently posted some comments about how the cult watch groups are becoming like an exclusionary cult themsleves. This is so telling, the reaction I received. I did not name one specific organization or anything, but went under the Factnet " FREE SPEECH ZONE BLA BLA BLA " forum and posted a generic thread called " Cult watch groups are a mind controlling cult ". I then, without using names, explained why I feel it is cultish what is going on in these groups. Amazingly, the thread was quietly deleted. Free speech? Yea right! This is nothing but agenda. And your new mommy and daddy is silencing anyone who disagrees. Whats next? Track me down and see if I am a cult also? You poor people are nothing but pawns in a hysterical movement meant to entrap and enslave folks into their way of thinking, and the ultimate elimination of all religious groups not in their own particular mold. The FACT that THIS FORUM pretends to be a free speech zone, but deletes threads such as the one they deleted without comment or explanation proves unequivically that there is an agenda here, not a free speech zone.
Think about what you are doing, foolish friends.
[ Ghost comment ] Your post was not deleted. It was moved to
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/8676.html
Why doncha use the "search" link at the top of the page before you shoot your mouth off? [ End Ghost comment ]
TO THE GHOST!
That thread was directed at a specific movement, just as all the other threads were. the fact the you MOVED IT TO HIDE IT changes nothing regarding my point. In my opinion, there was zero reason to move it under " Definition of a cult " since it was not defining cults in general, but addressing ONE MOVEMENT just like all the other threads. I can only conclude then that you deliberately hid it. Put it back as I put it, if you are so sincere. That is a specific movement I want to address.
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real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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Here is what I posted, and they deleted, from the main forum.
[ Ghost comment ] It wasn't deleted. It was moved to
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/8676.html
...which is the correct topic for your thread.
Why doncha create threads under the correct Topics before you post? [ End Ghost comment ]
TO THE GHOST!
That thread was directed at a specific movement, just as all the other threads were. the fact the you MOVED IT TO HIDE IT changes nothing regarding my point. In my opinion, there was zero reason to move it under " Definition of a cult " since it was not defining cults in general, but addressing ONE MOVEMENT just like all the other threads. I can only conclude then that you deliberately hid it. Put it back as I put it, if you are so sincere. That is a specific movement I want to address. }
I posted it under " Cult Watch Groups are Mind Controlling Cults. "
2Ti 2:25 ... those that oppose themselves...
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he reap...
I am amazed by one thing. Since this is an open forum, and any may join and post... it means anyone can come in here and post a thread stating so and so is a cult, and suddenly so and so is listed as a cult, and it is published. What really is a cult? Is it anyone who believes they exclusively hold the truth? Is it anyone controlling?
I am reminded of the intolerance of this age of tolerance. In the office I work in, if a homosexual wants to kiss his lover goodbye in the morning, I am required to smile and pretend all is well. If people want to discuss the music of today ( which is mostly satanic ) in my presence, I am required to hush and tolerate it. But if I butt in, and quietly state to the homosexual that his behavior is offensive, or if I butt in and mention to the music fans my opinion that it is demonic, this is not tolerated, and I can be fired for bringing religion into the workplace.
Tolerance? yea right, they tolerate what they like. Period.
This cult hysteria reminds me of that. Anyone who is different than the orthodox thought becomes a cult, then later becomes a dangerous cult... eventually, the hysteria reaches a crescendo where even the orthodox churches become branded, since they might hold to an actual standard of living as doctrinally signifigant. They are suddenly branded as mind-controllers, spiritual abusers, and before you know it, the only movement with the right frame of thought is the anti-cult movement. Suddenly, all others become suspect, and the only way to avoid assault on one's life and church becomes to sell out and bow meekly at the throne of this new hysterical fanaticism! They become the only correct way of thought, and even seem to utilize mind-controlling tactics in that, if you are not for them, you are against them. This tends to make one want to agree easily with them, that they would not also be branded a cult.
Intimidation? Obsessive witch hunts? Is this Salem all over again? How many so called witches will you cult hunters burn before your own hunters are suddenly revealed as the new witches? It was when the demon possessed hysterical teen-agers who were having visions and " discerning " which Salem residents were next to be burned finally turned on their own leaders and inquisitors themselves calling them witches and calling for their death's, that the Salem Insanity finally became self-destructive.
2Ti 2:25 ... those that oppose themselves...
In their frantic blood-lust, the cult watchers will soon become the exclusionary cult, and the secular system they are nursing off of will turn on them, and destroy them.
2Ti 2:25 ... those that oppose themselves...
Please, I beg you, cult hunters, think about what you are doing as you search for Salam's witches... stop while you have time yet, before it is you at the stake burning.
Psa 7:15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch [which] he made. 16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.
Rebecca Nurse
"Oh Lord, help me! It is false. I am clear. For my life now lies in your hands...."
Elizabeth Howe
"If it was the last moment I was to live,
God knows I am innocent..."
Margaret Jacobs
"... They told me if I would not confess I should be put down into the dungeon and would be hanged, but if I would confess I should save my life."
2Ti 2:25 ... those that oppose themselves..
DONT TELL ME THERE IS NOT AN AGENDA. THERE IS, AS FACTNET CLAIMS TO BE A FREE SPEECH FORUM. YOU ALL ARE NOTHING BUT PAWNS.}
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real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 66
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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Are you blind? Look, even Billy Graham is listed as a cult! Cut and paste into your browser, this factnet link!
http://www.factnet.org/factnetcgi/discus/discus.cgi
BLIND MEN! Wake up! This is an agenda and you are pawns!}}
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real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 67
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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These people are coming against every religion and medical practice other than their own, and you are joining in their Roman Catholic style inquisition, and coming to attempt the murder of every religion and medicine not in compliance with your dogma... Look at some of the more normal folks listed as dangerous cults according to your new mommy and daddy:
Chiropractery
Acupuncture
Holistic Health
Buddhism
Islam
Judaism
Hinduism
Native American Spiritualism
Oneness Pentecostals
Every Church of God and Church of Christ you could think of
On and on ... my point simply is not to deride you, but to help you see that the direction this anti-cult hysteria is taking is to eventually attack religion altogether. }
[ Ghost comment ] The users of the discussion board create the topics on this discussion board. These are topics that the users wish to discuss. FACTNet does not create the topics.
Why doncha read the FAQ at the top of this page before you shoot you mouth off? [ End Ghost comment ]
}}}It is interesting to note that Ghost allows all these threads addressing many movements to remain as main topics, except when someone laid out the Cult Watch Movement itself for discussion. Then it was ( ok, not deleted, I beg your pardon ) but buried! Ghost, Im not sure this changes my point at all!
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milli (milli)
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Username: milli
Post Number: 10
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Posted From: 66.55.228.216
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real truth, many of us are praying for you, it's sad to me that you have so much confidence in your self and your own interpretations of scripture and must use this forum as your arena of self-assurance and manhood. We will not be quieted, by your insane babblings, Jesus has freed us from those who would quiet us! We have found a great pearl, a gem of great worth! We were lost, but are now found! We have found fullness of joy in Christ Jesus! And we will not let an angry, self appointed judge of good and right squelch our joy and desire to preach Jesus to the world, Yes, right here on the Internet! |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 68
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Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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My my, the wind is blowing hard...
Do you find it strange that my thread was deleted?
Milli, your reaction continues to support the things I am trying to point out. Like the agenda, the bitterness, etc. Why is it that my views of scripture, doctrine, and HH is anger and pride? It is that much different that you or others expressing their beliefs, and opinions? Clearly, the objective viewer can see from a reaction like yours how really blind some of you are!} |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 69
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Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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Now they are editing my font and colors. This is almost amusing. Speak what the dragon says, or be assaulted, my my.
Well, I am disappointed to see the favoritism showed to those who buy into the whole cult thing. This is truly telling.}
[ Ghost comment ]
If there was any favoritism, you'd be banned from the board.
You aren't banned. ....yet.
So play nicely.
You are welcome to stay. Just follow the rules.
We really don't care what you say about FACTNet.
We've created a new Topic just for you. See:
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/8798.html
Post to your hearts content.
[ End Ghost Comment ]
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real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 70
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Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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In all sincerity, I am not sure I know of any rules I have broken. If I have please do explain.}
[ Ghost Comment ]
Read:
http://www.factnet.org/FAQ_Discussion_Board.htm
[ End Ghost comment ]
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real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 71
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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BUT YOUR " Anti-Cultism is a cult" thread is not really representitive of my point. I can be against cults, and that not be cultish. It is those that watch and try to enforce their idea of cultism and anti-cultism on others that I find cultish. I would greatly appreciate if you would simply allow me to address the movement I want to address. I do not believe someone is a cult because they are against cults. That was your re-interpretation of what I said! Rather, just as I posted, it is the CULT WATCH MOVEMENT that I find cultsih. That's alot different. I think if FACTNET is really free speech as they claim, you ought to put back the thread as I had it, rather than re-interpret what I said, in a way that actually DOES NOT represent my point. !!
I POSTED THIS IN YOUR NEWLY CREATED THREAD.
PLEASE BE AWARE: I originally posted this under the main forum for cults, using the title that " CULT WATCH GROUPS ARE A MIND-CONTROLLING CULT". When it was moved, I mistakenly assumed it was deleted. When the administrator informed me of my error, I said I felt it was wrong that it was buried. I felt I had a right as much as the next guy in a so called " free speech " forum to address this MOVEMENT as an actual cult in it's own discussion. So the ADMIN moved it here with a new title. However, to be clear, this title the ADMIN RE-INVENTED is not in the least representitive of my idea or belief. I do not believe anti-cultism is a cult. But RATHER, that the CULT WATCH groups that ENFORCE their ideals on others are a cult. Thats alot different. I myself am anti-cult, in my own views. I feel that the controlling of this thread and topic is an attempt by someone with an agenda to keep my belief either buried, or discredited. Even the title of this renamed thread " Anti-cultism is a cult" is enough to discredit my idea, and I think this is deliberate. IMHO.
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the_general (the_general)
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Posted From: 24.155.5.83
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 5:52 pm: |
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My,my Real_Truth !! |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Post Number: 72
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Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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I dunno, General, I feel that the point still stands. It is apparent to me that FACTNET STAFF was not happy with my assessment of the Cult Watch movement, and this burying it , and then RE-NAMING it is a sign of that.}
I APOLOGIZE TO FACTNET FOR SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, AND MAKING THE ERROR OF SAYING THEY HAD DELETED MY POST. OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS CARELESS. HOWEVER,I STILL FEEL THAT THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO CONTROL OR DISCREDIT MY VIEW.}
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real_truth (real_truth)
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Post Number: 75
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Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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Thank you FACTNET staff for accomodating my kicking and yelling. Perhaps you are more tolerant than I thought regarding expression, since you obviously understood my concerns and reposted the thread as I requested. It has been reposted as " Cult Watch groups as Cults ", and I do appreciate it. |
luvliberty (luvliberty)
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Username: luvliberty
Post Number: 115
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 209.183.171.181
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real truth, I thought that you implied that "mind control" and such paranoia was like crying wolf- How is Fact net trying to control you? how are we all pawns? |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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tuche}} |
waawaa (waawaa)
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Posted From: 70.112.0.204
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yall need a toke off the peace pipe and chill out
got grass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
waawaa (waawaa)
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real_truth (real_truth)
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That type of talk is illegal online.
You are a shame to your father, young man.
Surely you realize your behavior could reflect upon him. Stop belittleing the things you know of God, and be a decent young person. |
just_curious (just_curious)
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That type of talk is illegal online.
Huh? |
real_truth (real_truth)
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GRASS IS ILLEGAL, AND THE PROPOGATION OF ITS USE IS ALSO. No biggie, just pointing it out.  |
waawaa (waawaa)
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i am not a guy hay is for horses and grass is not illegal it grows in your yard duuuuuuuuuu |
luvliberty (luvliberty)
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interesting responses waawaa- you make me smile-we need more like you to lighten the mood a little |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Posted From: 167.127.163.203
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One thing that makes me sad is that I made every attempt to be civil in disagreeing, expressing my opinion, and not becoming too confrontational. For instance, I attempted to simply give some positive testimony of experience in HH. Immediately, that thread became the focus of bombastic attacks on HH, and on me. Those who wish for confrontation have raised the anty. It is sad. But allright with me, if it must be. } |
luvliberty (luvliberty)
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you are a real modern day martyr- |
just_curious (just_curious)
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fullofquestions
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