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     all4hm (all4hm) New member Username: all4hm Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 199.26.188.200 |
Could someone please tell me what has happened to her? She used to be so on fire, and yet she now seems to be not there anymore; if you know what I mean. What is happening to the broadcasting networks with the speakers? Where is the Glory and the Fire and the anointing and the dunamis | ||
| seebehindthings (seebehindthings) Intermediate Member Username: seebehindthings Post Number: 196 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 64.174.183.110 |
Sometimes people can trade the Glory of God for success (per Art Katz) | ||
| love (love) New member Username: love Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 216.47.136.63 |
http://godsrecyclebin.00freehost.com/juanitabynum.html | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.15.27 |
The only way you will be able to get rid of Lodelia/Love/Prophet/? is to block her at5 the firewall. Otherwise, she will continue to create accounts and post. I don't necessarily want to block people but this is ridiculous. You will have to block her IP address specifically. It's not hard to do. Otherwise, what you do is in vain. She is posting from a school and they use static ip addresses so she can't refresh. The only thing she can do is go to another computer. Then you just continue to block thos ip addresses. If she keeps it up, just block that entire block of ip addresses and report her to the school. I gave the school information. You can also have them blacklisted. Then when they can't figure out why they can't get to any websites, they will get a little nervous. Eventually, after a few phone calls and emails, they will be lifted from the blacklist. I am sure they will have a chat with the Prophet. Call the school and complain. | ||
| tylee_johnson (tylee_johnson) New member Username: tylee_johnson Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.118.36.158 |
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY DO THE PROPHETS THE REAL PROPHETS LIVE SUCH A LONLEY LFE.... | ||
| tylee_johnson (tylee_johnson) New member Username: tylee_johnson Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.118.36.158 |
YOU CAN E-MAIL ME AT TYLEE.JOHNSON@MTGINFO.COM, I'M A PROPHET AND GOD JUST TOOK ME TO ANOTHER LEVEL, AND MAN, WHY DO WE HAVE TO LIVE ALONE, WHY DON'T PEOPLE LIKE BEING AROUNF US, WHY CAN'T WE SEEM TO FIND A MATE WHO DOESN'T THINK WERE'RE TOO DEEP, GOD KNOWS I LOVE HIM, AND THIS OFFICE, BUT MAN,,,, IT'S SO LONLY | ||
| tylee_johnson (tylee_johnson) New member Username: tylee_johnson Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.118.36.158 |
I WANT TO RESPOND TO THE ACUSATIONS OF PROPHETESS BYNUM.... YOU BETTER WATCH OUT HOW YOU TALK AGAINST GODS PROPHET LES THE WRATH OF GOD BRAKE OUT AGAINST YOU AND CONSUME YOU,,,, SHE IS GODS PROPHET, AND HER PAST IS BETWEEN HER AND GOD.. YOU STAY OUT OF GODS BUSINESS, FOR EVEN AS YOU TALK AGAINST GOD SERVANT GODS POINTING OUT SINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS IN YOUR LIFE.... | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Junior Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.162.52.69 |
I'm skurrrrrrrrrrrrred TJ!  Here we go with these idle threats. Noone cares about her past. We care about the false prophecies and the fleecing of God's people. We all have sins and that's a given...so tell us something new. We have been redeemed, therefore I don't worry about fictitious threats and prophecies. It is our job to expose these charlatans.}} | ||
| zanele (zanele) New member Username: zanele Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 196.25.166.18 |
Tylee, Why are you complaining in public? As a prophet you ought to know that times of refreshing are found in the arms and lap of our Father. I am going to email you privately because you are putting yourself in a dangerous position.. the Israelites complained and you know what happened to them.. Pull up your bootstraps or fall into the lap of the Father and be refreshed... Yours in our Beautiful Saviour and Lord.. (i love Him - He's just so incredible isn't He?!!) | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 253 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.128.68 |
Prophet my *ss. maybe the operation of the gift but prophet NOT! Dave} | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.162.52.69 |
The gift is available to all believers. Not many stand in the office. She definitely does NOT stand in the office. I even question if she has the gift. I agree David. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 256 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.112.156 |
I have the gift of prophecy and I am hardly ever moved to the use of it.When I have been it has always come to pass. I do not give out personal ear tickles.Nor do I choose when to operate in the gift. It is not the only gift the Lord has given me. Every believer has at least one gift and some have many. When in the presence of false prophets,indignation rises up within me. Baruch habbah hashem Adonia, Dave} | ||
| praisegirl (praisegirl) New member Username: praisegirl Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 66.229.149.81 |
All Christians on the board, Please stop all of the critical judgemental behavior! isn't it enough that God's people are fighting here on earth all over the world, but mainly in the holy land. Juanita has touched our lives in many ways, we must not forget, God uses each one of us; drug dealers, addicts, child molestors, alcoholics, etc....everyone has a God spot in their heart, please leave the Prophetess alone. I will be praying for all of us, because others are watching us, and if we are not living right, we may cause them to stumble. Tammi | ||
| anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.97.158 |
[quote]Juanita has touched our lives in many ways, we must not forget, God uses each one of us; drug dealers, addicts, child molestors, alcoholics, etc....everyone has a God spot in their heart, please leave the Prophetess alone.[/quote] Huh? This doesn't make a bit of sense. Praisegirl, you need to learn your Christianity from God's Word and stop making people your idols. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 56 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.162.52.69 |
That's the problem anony....they want idols. They need to read the word and get understanding for themselves. A lot of people need a mortal role model but they need to emulate Jesus. We don't need Juanita to tell us how to live and love. Open the bible for yourselves. It's called walking in holiness. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 351 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.128.41 |
Awe come on guys,you beat me to it. For the undiscerning that need to open their eyes up. letusreason.com myfortress.org Dave} | ||
| anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 41 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.250.51 |
Good websites, Dave. There's more than enough information out there to open the eyes of those who want them open. The church needs to get some spiritual discernment for a change. I can't believe how many warning signs there are on Christian television that so many prefer to ignore or excuse. Jesus sure didn't, nor did his Apostles, nor did the OT prophets, nor does Almighty God. These new prophets/teachers don't have a clue what it is to speak for God. They have forsaken the love of the truth, if they ever had it, to serve their own bellies and egos at the expense of the true faith. The church needs to stop indulging them, turn off their tv's and start learning God's Word for a change and what it is to truly serve him. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 406 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.176.88 |
www.myfortress.org Dave} | ||
| slworshipper (slworshipper) New member Username: slworshipper Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
Juanita Bynum has been an empowering example of a woman of God for many of us, including myself and she remains to be. Seasons change in our lives as in hers. God is always doing a new thing, taking us to new places, feeding us new messages. This is normal when being led by the spirit. I don't understand why people have gotten so nervous that Juanita Bynum isn't doing the exact same thing she was doing 3 years ago? She still has conferences. She still evangelizes around the world. I continue to pray for her and her husband that God strengthens them to endure the call amongst the many opinions of people in this world. | ||
| spiritkid (spiritkid) New member Username: spiritkid Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 193.65.112.4 |
Amen, slworshipper!  I have been greatly blessed by her message and life as well. Even though I don't have to agree with her on everything /every emphasis of her ministry, she is one of the women of God I truly look up in the Lord. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.14.209 |
Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. | ||
| anony (anony) Member Username: anony Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.251.48 |
Too bad that many have always preferred to be followers of men. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 67 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.14.209 |
Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. 1Ti 5:21 I charge [thee] before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 501 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.120.72 |
praisegirl says, Please stop all of the critical judgemental behavior! ----------- I see this statement this way.Please don't think or use discernment.after all you can't touch God's annointed! Problem is,all of God's people are the annointed and Paul commended the Bereans for questioning every word he said by checking it against what the scriptures said. Why would we do less? Dave} | ||
| anony (anony) Member Username: anony Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.251.48 |
Jesus himself warned us to be on guard against false apostles. His own true Apostles admonished us to expose false teaching. The Apostle Paul readily named false teachers to mark them, in defense of the faith and to warn other believers. This has been a number one priority of the church since its beginning. It is only false teachers who claim we are not to criticize anyone who claims to be a Christian teacher. Ba-loney! Don't fall for it or you will make yourself their permanent dupe! They do this to try to get by with teaching and practice they KNOW to be unscriptural. Why else would they?? | ||
| slworshipper (slworshipper) New member Username: slworshipper Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
Lord Jesus please don't come tomorrow because we are not ready. I stand in agreement with anony, graceful and shavon on this. Hasanamonique asked, "How do we know God has anointed her?" Many people didn't believe she was called to the nations. They said she wasn't acting in a spirit of God. Juanita Bynum's response to that was, "If I'm not acting in the spirit of God, the devil is leading thousands to Christ." This is how we know. You can tell a tree only by it's fruit. If lives are dramatically changing as a result than this is how we know. Jubilant, sweety, you said your friend said Juanita wasn't called. I don't know your friend. I don't know if he knows Juanita or if he even knows the will of God. All I know is thousands upon thousands of people (mainly women) have given over their lives to God as a result of this woman's obedience to her call. She stands in obedience to what God says, not y'all. We may not understand everything she does and I'm actually 100% sure that as a HUMAN she's probably done things that may have been out of order (Lord knows I have and so have Y'ALL!!!). The real question is, what has God called you to do? You put so much energy into knocking Juanita Bynum's anointing and ministry. What is yours? If we could only take all that judgment and hatred and channel it to our own walk with God, I think we'd have a lot less to say about her. While we type away on our precious little computers all night and day, Dr. Bynum is traveling to Africa to minister to the people in another country. What are you doing? How are you living your life pleasing in His sight? When is the last time you've led somebody to Christ? What have you sacrificed to be righteous in your walk? Because if you're blabbing away about ministers and pastors maybe you havent sacrificed enough? A gossiping spirit, a killing spirit, a hating spirit of jealously, a spirit that would rather cut ministers down than intercede for them. Maybe there's still something in you that needs to die. Be humble and think about that. Focus on your own walk with God. | ||
| hauoli (hauoli) New member Username: hauoli Post Number: 12 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.91.205.33 |
Can Juanita Bynum be a minister with the misunderstanding that she is prophet? The Bible says that the way you know a person is a prophet is if what they prophecy comes to pass. She has had things not come to pass that is what I read on other sites before I wrote this. She could be a gifted encouragement minister or an evangelist and someone could have told her she was a prophet because they thought she acted like one. She could be one of those prophetic intercessors and she could have the gift of prophecy but not be one formally. We have all heard these teachings eh? Poster above me is someone else I can tell by the way the are talking eh and their self righteous spirit. Who are they to tell us to focus on our walk with God like the pastor or apostle of this area? You have no idea what people have sacrificed and it is just as wrong to judge and that is a killing spirit. You are making strides to control what people think. There are humble ways to turn the thoughts and hearts of people who you know or think are wrong. You are telling us that we are in the wrong spirit and like 30 of them. You are in the wrong spirit also eh? The real question is what does God want you to do to demonstrate love and respect for others if they are erring or not? Is an arrogant or controlling spirit as bad as the spirits you mentioned? I was always taken aback by condescending spirits who call other people names like sweetie and honey. That is an abuse behavior in the many books I have had to read for my courses in Family Counseling. The way you say blabbing and be humble and what have you ever done. That is abusers pathology. Who the heck are you to say anything? I come to FactMad to learn and to think and to pray too. I kind of made up my mind to not come back to the boards because they are so unChristian for Christians. It hurts to read a lot of this. I missed my ride tonight and had to stay at my cousin's because it is not all that safe to take a late bus ride to my area. I had to cancel work for three days because a shipment did not come in and now I dont have the hours and the money I need. I am feeling uptight eh? I kept having this inkling to look onto Factnet and then I wanted to start a new thread. Then I saw this thread and when I looked around I read this very arrogant and condemning post and I had to say something to you. Who died and made you big Kahuna boss? You are sounding like a big hypocrite talking about dying to self when you are not. Are you interceding instead of cutting others down? Are you traveling to Africa? Do you have the church authority to ordain or disfellowshipp? You can disagree without all of that hate and putting down people you dont know. How do you know that the friend of that person was wrong? She could be a good preacher and a deliverance minister and could have been misunderstood to be a prophet. There are other blogs and webpages about where she has had false prophecies. What should you do with that information? When I started looking around I have seen so much fighting and false leadership. If she has a very bad temper or a condemning spirit at home or she falsely gives prophecies that never come true what does that show about her spirit? Why can't you have a normal conversation about real questions? If you are going to tell people off take care of your bad and abusive attitude and style first. I have sacrificed plenty to be righteous in my walk. I have been hated by many native Hawaiians for loving Jesus and not using pagan traditions. I could tell horror stories of vandalism and crime. You have never gone through what I have or my ohana. There is a civil war in Hawaii and my old friends call George Bush evil, satan and hate Christians. If I am friends with Marines or Navy I am given the evil eye and called names. I am being treated like a traitor for not wanting to channel ancient spirits or dance in pagan ritual. You know nothing about this deep and painful battle. I do not want to fight with anyone. There is too much fighting. Can you take some time to pray and stop trying to exert yourself over others? What if Juanita isn't a real prophet but she is saved and anointed and wins souls. There are pastors who are pastoring who were never called by God to do it. If she has mental health struggles being a former mental patient and if she is off sometimes then she needs prayer. The way you talk is like a gossiping spirit and a killing spirit. Do you see that? Why do you hate Jubilation? Do you know Juanita Bynum? I dont and I dont have any argument with you or the other people about her. I really hate, not you or other people but I hate the way people are talking to each other. I know that God hates arrogance and mocking. What is your ministry? I know you are not my authority or anybodies on FactMad. If you could heal a wound or strengthen a spirit you would have respect. There is a way for you to say what you think is wrong and have a spirit of goodwill and kindness and humility. I will close with a Royal Hawaiian saying from one of our former Monarchs who were Christian I hope you and I and everybody take it to heart. When you try to sound it out just do it phonetically and say the vowels and constants just how they look. E noho iho i ke opu weuweu, mai ho`oki`eki`e. "Remain among the clumps of grass and do not elevate yourself. Don't show off. Don't get puffed up and big-headed." Be ha`aha`a "(humble), which does not mean timid, submissive, and spineless. An inner self-confidence which gives rise to quiet strength is far more admirable than self-importance, arrogance, and egotism." Ku`ia ka hele a ka na`au ha`aha`a. "Hesitant walks the humble hearted. A humble person walks carefully, so as not to hurt others. Don't walk all over people! Those who are sensitive to others inspire respect and allegiance. Those who throw their weight around will hurt others, and eventually themselves, when enough people have been hurt." You are a very shaming and hateful person and I hope you change eh? Are you another poster from the Carman threads using a different name in this one? I think so eh? Focus on your walk with the people of God. I bless you in Jesus Name and I resist your unkindness and controls in the same name. I hope whatever is true in Juanita Bynums life she will hear from God and make any changes that she can. I thank the Lord for using her and I will try to find her on TV and decide for myself with Jesus in the room with me. Aloha Hauoli | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.72 |
slworshiper- You've stated several things and I hope to address some of what you have said. Concerning fruit, I do not consider how many people have came to Christ to be fruit in a ministers life. We know that there are many false religions in the world claiming to know Christ and having many followers, but does this mean that the followers have genuinely received the Living God? Fruit that God desires in a persons life is love without hypocrisy, number one. I have a serious problem with people who claim to be ministers to God, yet are selling Him like a street hooker! God never ever, ever asked to be SOLD. God tells us to come and drink FREELY from the fountain of life, he doesn't charge money for it. Those who are charging money are obviously selling something other than what God has because what He has comes freely. You claim that those who speak out against those who are doing these things as if they are haters or jealous or malicious etc., but what if God Himself wants people to be warned of false prophets/shepherds/apostles/preachers/teachers? In His word we are told to judge these things and see if what people claim is the truth. Are we to blindly accept every teacher out there? | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 71 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.14.209 |
lololol. I agree Iamlives. Do you believe that we truly have 'apostles' walking the earth today? I don't. | ||
| the_blood (the_blood) New member Username: the_blood Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.72 |
THANK GOD FOR JUANITA WE NEED MORE OF HER IN THIS WICKED WORLD. MAY GOD BLESS MY SISTER IN THE LORD! | ||
| trinity (trinity) New member Username: trinity Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.9 |
Juanita Bynum is a prophet, just as I am a prophet. I agree with her teachings. She is teaching and preaching about spiritual things of God. The Lord is tired of the church playing church without being the church. The church is the body of Christ and Christians are not respecting the body of Christ. They are not submitting to the teachings of Jesus Christ. The Church is a place where believers are supposed to be teaching and loving each other, and saving the souls of the lost. Instead, we as a church focus on ourselves, instead of trying to save lost souls out of the world. Juanita Bynum is trying to save the lost souls of the world. The Spirit of God is using her to awaken the church. There are people in the church that know scripture but they do not know the Lord. They do not have a spiritual relationship with the Lord. She teaches the truth; you are not going to get to heaven by reciting scripture or by showing up at church every Sunday. You cant see the kingdom of God unless you are a born again, spirit filled person of God. Times are changing therefore; the message is changing. She is preparing Gods people for growth. You have to grow and work out your own salvation. This is a message that the church needs. They might not want to hear the message but it is a valid message from God. About the money, the lord is blessing her just as she is blessing millions of people around the world. You cannot put a price on a soul. If her prophecies have not come true, it does not mean that they will not come true. God has his own time table.In regards to her sinning, the bible says that Jesus was the only one that knew no sin. The rest of the people in the bible sinned. | ||
| slworshipper (slworshipper) New member Username: slworshipper Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
I agree Trinity. Iamlives, That is reasonable. I take offense specifically because I've observed Juanita Bynum long enough to know she has led many to God but I have yet to hear anyone specifically say what she has done that proves she is not a prophet. She sales videos and tapes of worship services, as does every other minister who needs SUPPORT TO CARRY THE WORD. Financial support is bible based even from the Old Testament days. She speaks at TBN telethons encouraging believers to support the single most influential Christian network in the world so it can continue to send God's messages through the airwaves. This is the point of telethons, to raise money to support the cause. The question really is, is it a just cause? If everyone's problem is this, this board mine as well be changed from "Juanita Bynum" to "Ministers" in general. When using the claim, False Prophet, you need specifics, not just feelings. I have an open mind, but no one has said anything yet about what specifically she has done... hauoli, You have a lot to say but you have failed to HUMBLE yourself and receive the heart of what I have said. Did you read the posts before me? Your words are pointed in the wrong direction, unless you have and have always had a personal problem with Juanita, then maybe you shouldn't be speaking at all because no one is ever going to change your mind. For Juanita Bynum to be where she is, she must have sacrificed much. My point is, no one here can say otherwise unless they are either her or God. We can only deal with what we know; our own walk with God. Here's food for thought for a few of you: If you honestly feel God has called you to "expose a false prophet," in this case supposedly Juanita Bynum, don't you think God would have given you a greater forum to do it in besides an internet chat board? Maybe we should settle our judgments and turn to intercession instead? It just fuels anger in our own hearts and that can not be God's will for us. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 599 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.140.248.236 |
To those who do not know, The office of prophet is done. We are under a new covenant,not the old. There are the gifts that are given out to each believer severally as the Spirit wills. Apostles are those who have seen and been with the Lord in person. Trinity, you are not a prophet.You may have the operation of the gift of prophecy but you are not a prophet. I have the operation of the gift of prophecy (no that doesn't make me anything special) and I cannot call it up at will.It operates when the body of Christ is gathered together and only once in a great while.I do not give out personal prophecies unless the Spirit moves me to do so,which is very rare. Juanita Bynum is a fraud. Deception is always coated with candy,otherwise you wouldn't be so ready to eat it now would you? "We're moving up to a new level in the Spirit." I have heard that said so much it makes me sick. There is only one level and that is to be in Christ.Either you're in Christ or you are not,period. As concerns the annointing,I get furious when I hear these fakes talk about the annointing as if they had something you and I do not. What an insult to the Lord.Such arrogance is maddening.Hyperspiritual nonsense. Read these two articles and see some reasoning minds. ------------------------------ Touch Not Mine Anointed, And Do My Prophets No Harm If you listen to "christian" television for any length of time you are sure to hear, "Touch Not Mine Anointed, And Do My Prophets No Harm." This verse is usually quoted to silence any person from questioning or criticizing what is being taught at that particular time. Through the use of fear proper biblical discernment is discouraged not only by the leaders but the flock is soon parroting this verse to silence any criticism that is leveled against their leader. What does this verse really mean? Does it mean that we cannot question anything that is taught by our leaders? Find the answers to these questions below from two evangelical leaders: PSALM 105:15Does this verse indicate that certain men called by God are beyond criticism and accountability, as Word-Faith teachers suggest? MISINTERPRETATION: Psalm 105:15 says, Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm (nasb). Some Word-Faith teachers cite this verse in arguing that they have been specially anointed by God and should not be criticized for their teachings. They indicate in their words and actions a belief that challenging their teachings amounts to challenging God himself. CORRECTING THE MISINTERPRETATION: The phrase the Lords anointed is used in Old Testament Scripture to refer to Israels kings (see 1 Sam. 12:3, 5; 24:6, 10; 26:9, 11, 16, 23; 2 Sam. 1:14, 16; 19:21; Ps. 20:6; Lam. 4:20). In this context the word cannot be interpreted to refer to modern teachers in the church. Further, the word prophets in context can only refer to Old Testament prophets, not to modern church leaders. Neither of these designations can be interpreted with reference to teachers in the modern church. ------------------------------ Spiritual Authority: The Word and the Testimony by A.W. Tozer, 1950 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies ... 2 Pet. 2:1 Whatever it may be in our Christian experience that originates outside of Scriptures should, for that very reason, be suspect until it can be shown to be in accord with them. If it should be found to be contrary to the Word of revealed truth no true Christian will accept it as being from God. However high the emotional content, no experience can be proved to be genuine unless we can find chapter and verse authority for it in Scriptures. "To the word and to the testimony" must always be the last and final proof. Whatever is new or singular should also be viewed with caution until it can furnish scriptural proof of its validity. Thoughout the twentieth century quite a number of unscriptural notions have gained acceptance among Christians by claiming that they were among truths that were to be revealed in the last days. The truth is that the Bible does not teach that there will be new light and advanced spiritual experiences in the latter days; it teaches the exact opposite! Nothing in Daniel or the New Testament epistles can be tortured into advocating the idea that we of the end of the Christian era shall enjoy light that was not known at its beginning. Beware of any man who claims to be wiser than the apostles or holier than the martyrs of the Early Church. The best way to deal with him is to rise and leave his presence! --------------------------------- 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. These are days of great deception in the church.We must guard our hearts and know the Word so that we will not be swayed about by every wind of doctrine. Dave} | ||
| mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 231 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 |
the ministry gifts are for today as written in Ephesians chap.4 and spiritual gifts as well as written in 1 Corinthians 12. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 616 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.153.23.132 |
Here's food for thought for a few of you: If you honestly feel God has called you to "expose a false prophet," in this case supposedly Juanita Bynum, don't you think God would have given you a greater forum to do it in besides an internet chat board? ---------- Here's some better food for thought.When you see error in a plave where many people go to read or listen and you do not give warning,you are in sin by consent to allow the error to continue. The arguement that there must be a better place to expose the error is just a lot of air with no substance.(no insult intended) There are so many false prophets and teachers just waiting for those without any discernment so they can scratch those itching ears. Just because you may like something or someone does not mean they are sent from God. That is the trap.Their smooth words.Words that make you vulnerable.Words that sound like the real thing but are not. I have a new word,is a red light.There is no new word.We have the complete word of God in the Holy Scriptures.Any one who adds to God's Word is cursed. Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. There is no new revelation from God.Any that claim there is should be avoided. Baruch Habbah Hashem Adonia,} Dave | ||
| anony (anony) Member Username: anony Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.245.202 |
You're so right again, Dave...as usual it seems. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 623 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.145.123.43 |
I'm still an imperfect man though. If what I say is right it is only because I rely in the Word of God. Otherwise I'd fall into the same traps too. Dave} | ||
| slworshipper (slworshipper) New member Username: slworshipper Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
David, You said just because we like someone doesn't mean that they are sent by God. I'll reverse that for you. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they are not sent by God. So, again I say, give us specifics on why you think this woman is a fraud or else you're just spitting air. I'm open minded and listening. I know Juanita Bynum's work so if you just say what specific she has done, I'll research it. What "traps" have she fallen in? You also said it's a "red light" when someone says they have "a new word." Guess what David, God isn't dead. The bible is complete but God still speaks! Obviously, He never conflicts the holy word but He's still talking. And what He say's might not come in the form of a scripture quote. God can talk anyway he chooses. He doesn't conform to anybody's norms. If you don't have an ear to hear what He is saying TODAY than you just won't hear. You also have a problem with what she said about "moving up to a new level in the spirit." You have a lot of problems with this woman, hunh? Those who have failed to move up to a new dimension in spirit fail to understand what that specifically means. I'm not saying that's you. I'm just saying. As a mature saint, I choose not to speak on gifts I personally have not experienced. For example, interpretation of tongues is not a gift I possess, so I can't tell someone they are a fraud if they do possess it and I don't. And like mikko said, I Corinthians 12:1-11(spiritual gifts) is not "Old Covenant," it is New Testament. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 628 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.131.10.203 |
As you wish: Juanita Bynum Juanita Bynum appeared at Mega Fest 2004 with the following speakers: Creflo Dollar, Paula White, Joyce Meyer, Bishop Eddie Long, and Bishop T. D. Jakes. Juanita Bynum: "Pick up the phone! Keep dialing! Push redial! Oh, thank you Jesus. What's $1,000.00 when it's your time for divine release? What's $300.00 when it's your time for divine release? Single mother--I hear the Lord say, '$300.00 seed!' 7000 people God said, '$1,000.00' He said, 'Obey Him because the waters troubled!" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 8, 2005) "Pick up the phone! Pick up the phone! Come on! God's talking to you!...It's your night for a divine release! You say, 'Woman of God--it's my last $1,000.00' It ain't your last--it's your favor! It's your favor! If you're watching by television tonight you may have nothing but $20.00 in your pocket. You better put it in an envelope--run down the street to the mailbox! Put it in the mailbox! Because you got to release something from your house tonight! Tonight is divine release! Tonight is divine release!...Tonight is divine release! I'm talking to you single mother. Every single parent--God dares you to sow a seed of $300.00. It's your divine release seed! You ain't got no place to turn! Come on! You're one check away from a divine release!" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 8, 2005) "...You got a $1,000.00 in your checking account and you right at the last bit. But I promise you--if you turn it over to God and give it to God--He said, 'By 12 o'clock midnight the waters are troubled for you." (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 7, 2005) "The Holy Ghost has already spoken to me that there are 7,000 people that are watching right now. 7,000 people that God said, 'I'm requiring that you release this seed of divine release.' And you watch and see. You release that seed by 12 o'clock midnight and God will begin to turn it around!...God said, 'By midnight tonight divine release goes into operation!'" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 7, 2005) "I got to say it one more time, 'The water is troubled.' There's somebody watching--you better get your wallet, it's troubled! You better shut your ears to the devil. They said, 'Yeah, that's television--they just want some more money!' No it isn't! The Lord has sent a prophet to tell you, 'That tonight your divine release--it takes place tonight!" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 8, 2005) "If you can't believe God to release a seed for a $1,000.00, He'll never trust you with a million! Oh my God!--I just said something. If you can't trust God to provoke you to release a seed of $300.00 He'll never be able to trust you in a ministry! Because this is your testing ground. This right here is your proving ground!" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 7, 2005) "You're sitting there--all of your bills are due. You're sitting there with a $300.00 seed. When you don't even know that what you got in your hand is your favor. You don't even know that your last seed--the seed that you give with pressure is your favor seed." (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 7, 2005) "Your miracle is attached to what's in your pocket right now! You're trying to hold on to it, but God sent me to tell you to, 'Let it go! Let it go!'" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004) "God said, 'Pick up the phone right now!' He said, '1,000 persons, you are going to sow the $1,000 seed.' You got to! You got to tonight! There is a miracle on it! I know what I'm talking about! He brought me in here to tell you that!" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004) "Somebody right here in television land, God said, '$1,000.' You're sitting there saying, 'You know what? All I got is $1,000.' If that's all you got, oh Jesus! Then you got the miracle seed in your hand!" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004) "Some of ya'll sitting there holding your wallet...God said, 'Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me! Show me how much you love me! Give it to me! I want to know if you're mine! If you're really mine. How come you can't hear me say, write the check?'" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, Fall Praise-A-Thon, November 1, 2004) "You've got to release something--no I'm talking to you. Come on! Hear me tonight--you've got to release something! You've got to release it now! What's a $1,000.00 in exchange for eternal victory? Let me tell you something--pick up the phone right now! You need to go to the phone! It's time for you to sow! Because in order for God to give it to you you've got to divinely release something. What is a divine release seed? It is a seed that I can't afford to give...One check away from your breakthrough! One check away from your deliverance! Pick up the phone! It's a divine release!" (Juanita Bynum, TBN, "Spring Praise-A-Thon," April 7, 2005) "Forget about the man. And I want you to sow a seed of $20,000. I said, 'God, wait a minute. That's all I got. I said, 'In that is my payroll, I got to pay my people.' But God said, 'Let me tell you something. In order to get something that you ain't never had, you got to do something that you don't never do.' God who am I talking to tonight? Cause the Holy Ghost told me, 'That this is $1,000 night!' [Speaking in "tongues"] He said, 'This is $1,000 night!' I said, 'God why you say that?' He said, 'Because what I want to do, if they went past the twenties, if they went past the hundreds. He said, 'I'm looking for miracle people now! I'm looking for people that got big vision. I'm looking for someone that know that they know, that God got a divine destiny prepared for their life.' And if you got to go and bake cookies, if got to go and sell pies. I gotta get to my destiny! I gotta sow!!!!" (Juanita Bynum, Audio-Clip, Bible Answerman, Hank Hanegraaff, March 27, 2004) "Some of you watching and you might be saying, 'Let me pray about it and see if God is talking to me.' You don't have to see if God is talking to you if you got a $77.00 seed offering in any bank account or pocket. He is talking to you. You need to pick up the phone because I'm telling you, tonight there is an anointing in this studio with your name on it. You need to get a seed into the network tonight." (Juanita Bynum, "Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon," September 21, 2004) "I'm going to get my seed in the ground because what I make happen for somebody else, God is going to make happen for me. Pick up the phone! I don't care if the lines are busy for half the night. Keep on trying! Put it on redial! Put it on redial! Tell the Devil that, 'I got an emergency! I need something! I need something from God and God needs something from me!'" (Juanita Bynum, "Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon," September 21, 2004) "Pick up the phone! It may be your last $77.00 seed offering. But you pick up the phone and you make that pledge. Because God is ready to turn some things around for you!" (Juanita Bynum, "Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon," September 21, 2004) "I feel an anointing for healing right now! I feel an anointing for healing right now! Every sick person that is watching me by television right now, your body is being healed! And in 48 hours you're going into a speedy recovery. [She speaks in tongues] Somebody help me bless the Lord. I speak healing now! I break the spirit of infirmity right now! Satan, I cast you out of that hospital room. I cast you out of that bedroom. I speak strength in the name of Jesus. I command your body to be healed!" (Juanita Bynum, "Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon," September 21, 2004) Marcus Lamb: "If you're one of those three people that the Lord spoke through me moments ago about a million dollar gift. Whether you're that professional athlete, whether you're that successful businessman or whether you're that woman that has been blessed. You do what the Lord is telling you to do. Because, when God speaks about a significant seed, He has a significant miracle on His mind." Jaunita Bynum: "Yes!" Marcus Lamb: "God doesn't play games! And that's serious business when you start talking about levels like that." Jaunita Bynum: "That's Right!" Marcus Lamb: "That's because God has a significant miracle on His mind (Marcus Lamb, "Daystar Fall Share-A-Thon," September 21, 2004) "Because of the vastness of the corruption in our society, the Lord's work cannot be finished with just the male gender." (Juanita Bynum, Article, "Women In The Pulpit," Julia Duin) When Chicago evangelist Juanita Bynum went on a 21-day fast, she said the Lord informed her she would minister to the masses. But when a Chicago minister invited her to speak before 4,000 people, she told God that all the female ministers she knew had been to Rhema or Oral Roberts universities. "This is the college I'm sending you through so you'll be well-schooled in who I am," she says the Lord replied. (Juanita Bynum, Article, "Women In The Pulpit," Julia Duin) "Every time I got on my knees I kept hearing Him [God] say, 'Before I knew you I formed you in your mother's womb to be a prophet to the nations.'" (Juanita Bynum, Interview, Ministries Today, July-August 1999) "And He [God] said, 'In order to be set free, in order for you to get your healing you got to get up and do something that defies the Devil. And I got the mic that morning Bishop Jakes, I had not been able to talk, had not been able to use my voice. And the power of God took me up in prayer and the Lord began to say, 'You will preach. The Devil cannot shut the mouth of the prophet. He said, Cuz the book of Jeremiah says, Before I knew you. Before you were born, in your mothers womb. I called you to be a prophet to the nations.' And I'm only half-way there." (Juanita Bynum, TBN July 6, 2004, T. D. Jakes was the host) Note: Juanita Bynum spoke in tonuges numerous without an interpreter. This of course violates Scripture: "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God," 1 Corinthians 14:27-28. -------------------- So you believe this liar who says that God must be paid before you can be delivered or healed ? 2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Serious statement from God's Word huh? "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But you, O man of God, flee these things . . . " (1 Tim. 6:10-11a). --------------------------------- Ya gotta love eye witnesses. A toothache and sore throat are keeping us up late tonight, so we idly switched over to TBN to see what was going on in the world of wacky word-faith. Theres Juanita Bynum in a white robe, surrounded by men and women dressed all in black. Some interesting notes: You need to send a thousand dollars. If you cant send a thousand, send five hundred if all you have is a nickel, wrap it in tissue and put it in an envelope. If all you have is your clothes, send them. If you want the power, you have to sow the seed [clearly referring to sending her money in context]. (See Acts 8 below.) Were going together into a spirit of wealth. Last night, you sowed to your ability. Tonight, you sow beyond your ability. I need [to give] because I need favor. I need it because I need an anointing. I need it because I need power. (Her speaking for the people who give to her tonight.) Im giving because I want my daughters to be daughters of Zion. (Again speaking for those who are giving to her.) Youve got three days to get that into your mailbox. Im not afraid to say this. I am walking in my authority if you dont postmark it by the tenth, we will not accept it. [Id like confirmation of that.] God says you have three days to get your thousand-dollar seed in the mail. Give it to me and you will live. Give it to me and you will have more than enough. (She claims to be speaking for the Lord, actually.) If all you have is $79.36, I double-dare you to empty your bank account. Close your account. Compare Acts 8: Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles hands, he offered them money, saying, Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit. But Peter said to him, May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity. On several occasions she told her audience that they were like the Macedonians in 2 Corinthians 8, because God was going to bless them for giving beyond their means. Of course, nobody ever says whether the money given by these modern-day Macedonians is going to help needy people (like Pauls offerings were in the Epistles, mostly to help needy believers in Jerusalem, and not to further his own ministry), or whether this is just to keep TBN on the air all over the world, and keep Juanita Bynum able to rent out stadiums and buy lots of tallits and bedsheets she can sell for one thousand dollars a pop on television. Perhaps the worst part was when she had her people spread out enough white tallits (the traditional Jewish garment worn in prayer and study) to cover the entire stage behind her. She announced that she would be walking on them, and sprinkling olive oil on them, and people who gave (the most often suggested amount was one thousand dollars) would receive these (or pieces of these). They were supposed to wear them at all times for twenty-one days; to wrap them around themselves, to put them on their children, to slip them under their mattresses. I cannot tell you how revolting it was to see that false teacher walk on the symbol of Gods Holy Word, that symbol of our Lords authority, with Jan Crouch walking behind her and pouring olive oil on her hands so she could douse the tallits. Then we saw the cameraman, who had to step on the tallits himself so he could follow Juanita and Jan across the stage. It really amazed me, to see her doing in front of the camera what she had been doing for years through her words walking on Gods Word, treading underfoot the Truth, as if it were dung to her. Finally the long prayer at the end, where Juanita walked or knelt on the stage, babbling at the tallits (ma ma ma ma sha ba sai ah ma ma ma). The cameraman still stood in front of her, catching every move of this woman in her co-opted priestly robes, with Jan Crouch now bowing in her direction, moving her arms up and down like Wayne and Garth saying were not worthy. Now shes wiping her sweat with the tallits she has been walking on, and screaming Oh God! over and over. More notes from the tallit and prayer cloth part: You cannot violate the principle. [To the people coming forward for pieces of the prayer cloths] You have to give. If you dont have any money then youd better get a penny in your hand or something. (Refusing to give the pieces of prayer cloths to children) I cant give this to kids. Its too heavy. (Often Juanita would skip the kids, but they could get them from Jan, who was next in line.) The Lord told me to give you these socks In your time of prayer, you are to wear them, and you will walk in authority. Be careful what you say, because what you say will come to pass. (Yes, Juanita gave some woman the socks she was wearing when she walked on the tallits.) Why can this woman scream until her vocal cords are frayed, and Im not sure Ill be able to have class this weekend because of the sore throat? Why do the wicked prosper? This is not my God. This is not the worship which my God demands of me. This is not repentance and contrition; this is a new sacrificial cult, with TBN as the priests, a television studio as a Temple, and money instead of animals. But never in this hour-plus tirade was there a call to repentance. The call was to give money. No repentance. No study of the Word. No call to obedience. No, thats what the tallit stands for, and thats what she was and is walking on. If you can watch this and not recognize naked greed, and not recognize the veritable reincarnation of Simon Magus in this woman and all her cronies, then you are indeed blind. The Lord can open your eyes, but He doesnt want your money. He wants your life. We just noticed a few things about the tallits. They have something like The Power of Prayer written on them. (What do they have to do with prayer, as far as Yeshua is concerned? Not a great deal, really.) Also of interest was the fact that some of them didnt have tzitzit (the long tassels at the corners), which are the only connection between tallits and the Torah (the Torah does not command to wear tallits, it commands that four-cornered garments must have tzitzit). So, she is spreading around a Jewish tradition, while deliberately making some of them violate the Torah she is claiming to teach, by removing the tzitzit. And this honors the Lord how? She just told somebody that the tallit was the greatest thing I could ever give you (which is probably true, since she does not appear to be qualified to teach the Word). To a man with the full clerical collar: I didnt call you to conservative Christianism, I called you to be a man who walked in deliverance. To another preacher: This prayer shawl shall usher you to another level. Your heart will be changed. Divine revelation when you read the scripture shall come into your mind. She appeared to cast demons out of at least two people who came forward. Then they pushed them down the assembly line. You should see the disappointment on peoples faces when Juanita skips them (as far as I can tell, its just because there are so many people coming forward). They look shattered, as if the Lord Himself rejected them. The Lord will judge that woman for every heart she breaks in His name. Its starting to wrap up. The ministers and so forth in the back are lying around on tallits and sheets it looks like somebody blew up the mime factory. -------------------------- You call this woman a prophet? I call her a wolf in sheeps clothing that fleeses the flock. Dave} | ||
| mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 233 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 |
none of these celebrity preachers would ever go out an evangelize in other countries , i mean street evangelism ,the real..not in other peoples churches or stadiums in other countries where they have the nerve to push for offerings for the poorer native people of those lands. most churches and these celebs never mention the Persecuted Church nor pray for them ..its very sad ...and all that tv fund raising is taped staged and is a poor excuse ...when im overseas mostly all the people i seen in other countries do not watch christian tv ,many dont have cable and dont understand english, and being poor when they see these greedy gainsayers begging for dollars its is embarrasing ,no wonder its hard to reach them | ||
| slworshipper (slworshipper) New member Username: slworshipper Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
David, It sounds like your problem is not with Juanita Bynum but with praise-a-thons. I said it before, "the purpose of a telethon is to raise money for the cause. The question is, is it a just cause?" If you feel supporting the work of God through TBN Ministries is not a just cause than you don't have to give. NEWSFLASH: Every telethon you turn to is going to have someone asking for money, rather its for Jerry's Kids or TBN. That's what telethons are for. Let's be real. TBN didn't become the worlds greatest ministering tool with peanuts in the offering basket. But as soon as the network begins to fall we wanna ask God why? The saints who are blessed by it should support it so God's work can go forth. If you have a problem with this, I'm sorry. If money is what it takes to take the whole gospel to the whole world for mankind's whole deliverance than money is what we as a church should give. This is not a "love for money." This is a love for the spreading of the Word of God. One thing I love about Juanita Bynum is her messages are not about prosperity. Tuning in to telethons will not help you to gain knowledge of what this prophetess stands for. Her messages are about deliverance and effective prayer and worship, staying in the position to hear from God and self-preparation. You're going on about the disappointment of people she didn't prophecy over. No prophet is led by feelings of their own or feelings others may have but by the holy spirit. Is she suppose to prophecy over people she's not led to because you might think it's disappointing? I wonder if you actually have an issue with women ministers in general? Maybe all ministers? You also seem to have a problem with TBN? If you don't mind answering, do you consider yourself non-denominational? Is there someone you do see as a good example of a man/woman of God or do you have a problem with them all? Mikko, The idea that ministers don't evangelize on the streets is true for some but not for all. I think some of the posters here seriously have problems with ministry in general today. Judgment is easy. It brings about no change. Intercession is difficult. If you think something needs to change, God has called all of us to pray for one another. Try this instead. David, We obviously won't agree on Juanita Bynum as a woman of God. All I know from personal experience is that my life has changed for the better since her 2001 Pensacola, Florida women's conference. The presence of God showed up in that forum and transformed us all. She said to us, "Your life will never be the same again," and walked off the stage the very first night. It's 2005 and my life has never been the same. God Bless. | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 653 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.136.112.238 |
His mercies are new everyday. Today your life will not be the same. Tomorrow your life will not be the same. Anyone can tell you that. Juanita's claim that money brings favor from the Lord is pure heresy. } dave | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.193 |
david- thank you for taking the time to point out the heresies of Juanita Bynum/false prophetess. I don't care if the woman is raising money for starving kids or TBN, either way, her tactics mock our Lord and Savior! We NEVER, EVER, EVER PAY MONEY to receive from God, that is antichrist doctrine and is on it's way to hell! God is never going to tell a single mother to send her last dime to TBN! God is never going to tell a person to take their last bit of money (while their bills are unpaid) and give it to TBN! NEVER! Juanita has quite a bit of audacity to solicit poor people for their hard earned cash while she sits in her guilded pulpit (or singing her pretty songs), all the while fleecing God's people. You don't "buy" God's "anointing". I have news for those who believe this nonsense-God is NOT an "anointing". God is an individual BEING/CREATOR, who deserves to be RESPECTED as such, and it is up to HIM with whom He SHARES portions of His power. His power cannot be bought for a price, or witchcrafted into existence. In His presence one should tremble in HOLY FEAR, which holy fear should exhibit LOVE for the brethren, NOT ROBBERY! Juanita BLASPHEMES God, as does every other crook on TBN. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 73 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.60.114 |
So very true Iamlives. | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.123.54 |
As far as anyone claiming to be a "prophet", if you knew God's Spirit, you would also know that Juanita Bynum is a false prophet as well. How can you claim to be a prophet and not discern such things? You may be CALLED but that does not mean you have arrived. Yes I believe God is calling prophets and apostles today, but not stage actors/actresses. If one desires to be used by God, one should be ready to take the LEAST position first, and HUMBLE themselves. Where is the HUMILITY in TBN prosperity theology? Rather they lord it over their flock, beating them with condemnation into submission over MONETARY issues. Not only this, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck! What about cheap get rich schemers/crooks on infomercials today, their polished looks, their get rich gimmicks, their highfalutin attitudes? Compare them to the likes of Juanita and Creflo, they're all the same. Sometimes the truth hurts, but you need to seriously consider what is being done by these wolves in God's name. God's not into the new consumeristic christian salesmanship being peddled by false prophets/apostles today. Jesus' response would be the SAME TODAY AS IT WAS YESTERDAY, He'd make Himself a WHIP and drive out these MONEY CHANGERS!!!! | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 12 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.123.54 |
thanks gsrh | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 667 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.145.122.189 |
I don't know IAMLIVES,He might get one of them taisers and zap em out. LOL Dave} | ||
| creeative1 (creeative1) New member Username: creeative1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 69.179.132.251 |
I don't know if Juanita Bynum is a false prophet or not, I havent listened to enough of her sermons. I do know that it is not my job to judge what is in her heart and whether or not she is called. I think the best thing we can do as Christians is stay in the word. For it is throug the word that you learn whether or not someone is teaching False Doctrine. That's really what we should be concered about rather than her attitude. Is she teaching true Biblical doctrine? | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 678 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.143.27.191 |
The $64,000.00 question has just been asked. The answer is no,she is not teaching biblically sound doctrine. That is the point. She is a money changer. } | ||
| seay5639 (seay5639) New member Username: seay5639 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.72 |
Hello Juanita My name is Tiwanna I am a woman of God Called and sent according to the time of life. My E-mail address is seay5639@aol.com. Juanita I Am blessed by God to have someone like you in the minstry. See there are so many people that say that they are of God. But my Bible tells me that i would know them by there fruit. I see the good fruit that you are baring. I say unto you Keep up the good work because we labor not in vain. I love you Juanita. I trust God and i believe that i will see you one day soon in this life. I am praying for you and not just for you only but for all the men and women of God.That God would strength them and keep them on the straight and narrow path. Until next time be Blessed of the Lord we will talk again Good bye for now. | ||
| biblicallyricis (biblicallyricis) New member Username: biblicallyricis Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 12.77.43.100 |
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| saltshaker4life (saltshaker4life) New member Username: saltshaker4life Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.173.211.17 |
Hey Saints! I am entering this discussion rather late, but I wanted to contribute some comments. I will preface my comments by saying that I agree that we should be discerning. I have noticed that we have a microwave generation of saints these days, whom by the way I do love, so don't get me wrong. We want a word but we don't want to study The Word. If the saints would study more there would be more with which we could guage what is and is not God. With that said, I will say this: Where prophecy is concerned we must keep some points in mind: 1. We know in part and we prophesy in part.(1Cor.13:9) The word part means one of the constituent parts of a whole or partly. This means that there is always more to this word. There is no one person that has the whole, but only a contribution to the whole, which only the Lord has. We are allowed to know or reveal as he reveals it to us. 2. There were a number of times in the Word of God where the prophecies were conditional. God told some prophets to tell the people because you have done this and that, I will do this or that, but if you turn from or if you repent, etc.,I will do this or that. Many times the conditions of the prophecy coming to pass are not met. That does not make the prophecy a lie, because remember we only hear the part when we are looking at TV or at a conference. We may never hear the rest of the word or condition that may have been brought forth by another prophet to that person or group of people. Sometimes the conditions are met by the receivers of the prophecy, but it is a timing issue or shall we say a trying of faith which works patience. Because we are such a microwave generation, if that word does not come to pass in 2 weeks we're ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. 3. Keep in mind that a number of web sites that slam certain ministries especially charismatic ministries are not charismatic denominations. I am not slamming them, however we have to take that into consideration when we read what they have to say about certain ministries. Remember the difference is that charismatic churches believe in and operate in the gifts of the Spirit. Yes, I have seen and heard some things that I did not agree with because it did not line up with scripture and I pray for those individuals and believe God they will get back on course. Remember Gal.6:1 Which says that if a man be overtaken in a fault(which is a lapse or deviation from the truth or uprightness)that we who are spiritual are to restore that person in a spirit of meekness, considering ourselves lest we also be tempted. Now am I saying that we should condone error? Absolutely not, but what I am saying is that we should be careful how we handle our brothers and sisters, after all they belong to God and Jesus blood were shed for their sins, just like ours. We are to pray for them and speak the truth in love to them if we are afforded the opportunity. Every temptation or test makes another testimony and increases the capacity of issues that one can minister to. Lastly, all of us would do well to guard our own hearts against pride. Especially those who have prophetic giftings. It is easy to look at another person and say what we would or would not do and really mean it. Remember though that when we allow ourselves to pass judgement on another of God's servants, we set ourselves up to be tested in that same area. Yes by all means be a strong advocate of the truth of God's Word and yes judge, but judge righteously through the Word of God, but let us not write one another off, but stand in the gap that the devil not prevail. | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.150.108 |
Salt- You have what "sounds" like wisdom, but it's not God's wisdom. God's wisdom says ....COME OUT OF BABYLON MY PEOPLE, AND PARTAKE NOT OF HER SINS! Babylon is full of confusion and evil greed. Babylon is in the church. Juanita Bynum is a false prophetess of Babylon says my God. The truth is the truth. I don't care WHO is preaching it about these wolves in sheep's clothing, they are speaking the truth about these wolves. There are many who have ears to hear, and receive from God's Spirit, but are not moved by the false teachers/preachers/prophets/apostles. TBN's platform hosts false prophets/apostles. Those with God's Spirit WILL be led to the truth concerning these false ministers. This is a test, which has been allowed to happen. Deut 13:1-5. We SHOULD write off all who are advocating a different gospel. They are ACCURSED. Not only write them off, BUT SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS! IAMlives | ||
| saltshaker4life (saltshaker4life) New member Username: saltshaker4life Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.173.211.17 |
iamlives, I believe you have misunderstood my post. I have not advocated false prophets. Believe me, I do understand the heart and mind of God concerning the deliberate misleading of His people. I also understand the responsibility of the Believer to not partake of such. Coming out from Babylon is not the only thing the Bible talks about and it is not the only prophetic message. I encourage you to speak the truth "in love" as the scripture instructs. The purpose for any of our giftings are to build up the people of God and to bring them to maturity. So please keep this in mind when addressing other people of God. | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.150.43 |
salt- I have not misunderstood your posting. First of all, why have you brought such a teaching in a thread that is SPECIFICALLY dealing with a FALSE PROPHETESS, unless you are subtly advocating her? Your post shames those who would speak against the heresies of Juanita Bynum. Juanita Bynum is NOT my SISTER. If she were my sister, she would be obeying the Lord, not fleecing the flock, setting herself up on a gilded pedastal to be worshiped, pronouncing FALSE prophecies, spreading DAMNABLE doctrines of demons, blaspheming my ONE AND ONLY GOD, whom I love, adore, and serve! What you are teaching "sounds" right, (according to the philosophy of men) but that doesn't make it right. How do we righteously judge somebody? If I were comitting the sins that Juanita Bynum is comitting, I would have no place to commend or disapprove of her. I am not comitting the heresies of Juanita Bynum, or setting up the god of mammon in my heart, or trafficing in the blood and souls of men. Her teachings are leading sheep to the pit. Romans 2:1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. Romans 2:3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 1 Cor 5:9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. 1 Cor 14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. Galatians 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. (NKJV) 2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, [and] bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. 4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast [them] down to hell and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, [one of] eight [people,] a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned [them] to destruction, making [them] an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, [who was] oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented [his] righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing [their] lawless deeds) -- 9 [then] the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. [They are] presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 [and] will receive the wages of unrighteousness, [as] those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. [They are] spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. [They have] a heart trained in covetous practices, [and are] accursed children. 15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the [son] of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man's voice restrained the madness of the prophet. 17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. 18 For when they speak great swelling [words] of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known [it,] to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." JUANITA BYNUM IS ACCURSED. Matthew 7:15 " Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. Matthew 24:11 "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. Matthew 24:24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Coloss 2:6 As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane [and] idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge -- 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace [be] with you. Amen. (NKJV) 1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 2 John 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. According to God's word, I am speaking the truth in love. Why would I want to see anybody falling for the damnable heresies of Juanita Bynum or her kind? Am I trying to please men here? Or am I seeking to please God whose sheep are scattered on every high hill for lack of genuine shepherds who shepherd after God's own heart? It is a hireling who allows the sheep to be ravaged by the wolves, not a genuine shepherd. BABYLON is the prophetic message of this day. Babylon has everything to do with the great falling away (apostacy), love of money, adulterating hearts being trained in greed and rejection of the truth. If you truthfully understood the heart and mind of God concerning the DELIBERATE misleading of His people, you would not be calling good, evil, and evil, good. The teachings of Juanita Bynum are evil, and should NEVER, ever be upheld in any shape, form or fashion, either by way of condemning those who judge it, or outwardly approving of her teachings. I encourage you to seek the Lord, study His word, and come out of the vain teachings of men. Love of the Lord equals obedience to the Lord. And I pray that ALL false prophets will be TORN DOWN by the word of the Lord! | ||
| saltshaker4life (saltshaker4life) New member Username: saltshaker4life Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.173.211.17 |
iamlives, You did not read anywhere in my postings where I advocated her teachings. To be honest with you I haven't listened to her for a few years now. What I was addressing in my posts is how we are to treat one another in the Body of Christ. This is something that will continue to confront you until you mature to the point of knowing how and when to be hard and when not to be. May the Lord continue to grow you in His grace and prepare you to speak His Word.... God bless you. | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 19 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.4 |
salt- God is not correcting me through you. In fact, you are opposing the very thing that God wants said. I have not been harsh enough. Juanita Bynum and all those who teach doctrines of demons, such as prosperity theology are leading others to the pit of hell. Do you understand? This is no trifling matter. Yes you are advocating her teachings salt. Yes you are. Look at your own words, IN A THREAD DEALING SPECIFICALLY WITH A FALSE PROPHETESS!- "We know in part and we prophesy in part.(1Cor.13:9) The word part means one of the constituent parts of a whole or partly. This means that there is always more to this word. There is no one person that has the whole, but only a contribution to the whole, which only the Lord has. We are allowed to know or reveal as he reveals it to us. 2. There were a number of times in the Word of God where the prophecies were conditional. God told some prophets to tell the people because you have done this and that, I will do this or that, but if you turn from or if you repent, etc.,I will do this or that. Many times the conditions of the prophecy coming to pass are not met. That does not make the prophecy a lie, because remember we only hear the part when we are looking at TV or at a conference. We may never hear the rest of the word or condition that may have been brought forth by another prophet to that person or group of people. Sometimes the conditions are met by the receivers of the prophecy, but it is a timing issue or shall we say a trying of faith which works patience. Because we are such a microwave generation, if that word does not come to pass in 2 weeks we're ready to throw the baby out with the bath water." Are you trying to tell ANYBODY here that Juanita Bynum's prophecies fit the above description? If not, then WHY did you post that HERE? I've watched that woman prophesy for the poor people in the audience to give of their hard earned money, regardless of their financial situation. I've watched her wholeheartedly APPROVE of those who come and throw money at her feet as if she were a god! MADNESS! Absolute MADNESS. My God was NOT telling her to do such things. She is blaspheming Him. Her father, Satan is working through her. ANY prophecy of Juanita Bynum is to be thrown into the garbage. "3. Keep in mind that a number of web sites that slam certain ministries especially charismatic ministries are not charismatic denominations. I am not slamming them, however we have to take that into consideration when we read what they have to say about certain ministries. Remember the difference is that charismatic churches believe in and operate in the gifts of the Spirit. Yes, I have seen and heard some things that I did not agree with because it did not line up with scripture and I pray for those individuals and believe God they will get back on course." So what are you saying here? That those who carefully refute these false prophets by their own words carefully documented and researched, are wrong to do so, simply because they are not of a charismatic persuasion? Listen, there are MANY people who believe in and operate in the Holy Spirit, without being charismatic. Being "charismatic" is not the get all it's cracked up to be. In fact, THE MAJORITY of those churches are operating in a spirit of antichrist and confusion. MUCH of charismania is dominated by demonic forces, while the people blindly believe it is GOD. Blasphemy is reigning in the church at large. "Remember Gal.6:1 Which says that if a man be overtaken in a fault(which is a lapse or deviation from the truth or uprightness)that we who are spiritual are to restore that person in a spirit of meekness, considering ourselves lest we also be tempted." Would you care to tell me, or anybody else here, HOW a person would do as you suggested concerning JUANITA BYNUM? She is on a pedastal. Who could reach her? She's gone over the line says my God. "Now am I saying that we should condone error? Absolutely not, but what I am saying is that we should be careful how we handle our brothers and sisters, after all they belong to God and Jesus blood were shed for their sins, just like ours." Here you are, in a thread that is exposing the lies of Juanita Bynum, which God wholeheartedly is approved of, and you believe that she is God's child? She is of her father the devil! She is a wolf, robbing God's sheepfold! She is of the evil one, and her damnation is not slumbering. She is no more a child of God than I'm the man in the moon. If she loved my Father, then she would obey His commandments. Her poisonous prosperity teachings are leading sheep to hell. " Lastly, all of us would do well to guard our own hearts against pride. Especially those who have prophetic giftings. It is easy to look at another person and say what we would or would not do and really mean it. Remember though that when we allow ourselves to pass judgement on another of God's servants, we set ourselves up to be tested in that same area. Yes by all means be a strong advocate of the truth of God's Word and yes judge, but judge righteously through the Word of God, but let us not write one another off, but stand in the gap that the devil not prevail." You don't like the message, so accuse the messenger of pride? I have news for you, God Himself has given me this message, and His words are like fire shut up in my bones. I am compelled to obey Him. You need the blinders RIPPED off of your eyes. Juanita Bynum is NOT a born again christian. She can claim it all she wants to, but that does not mean she is one. How can that woman be my sister, she robs my brothers and sisters in Christ here in the flesh, and she carries many away into hell. She is a liar, murderer and a thief. It is God's grace upon me to expose her for who she is. If ONE single person comes away from her treacherous murdering, this is worth my effort. But even if the word is not received, I have obeyed God. "What I was addressing in my posts is how we are to treat one another in the Body of Christ." Juanita Bynum is not of the body of Christ. Yes she has snuck into the sheepfold, but she is none of HIM. Wolves need to be stuck upside their head with the rod of God's indignation. | ||
| saltshaker4life (saltshaker4life) New member Username: saltshaker4life Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.173.211.17 |
iamlives, I will state again, not once in my post did I say anything about defending Juanita Bynum. I will also state again that I have not heard her in a few years. I believe your intentions to speak the truth are good, but it is not being done in a loving spirit. You can get your same point across without spewing out insults to those you don't "think" are in agreement with you. You are so busy refuting and defending that you miss the very element that Jesus gave us the example of which love. Every gift that operates in the Body of Christ whether it be teaching, prophesying etc. are supposed to have the love of God and His Precious Body of believers as the primary motivation. You stated I don't like the message so I accuse the messenger of pride. Because you mix the word of truth with so much hostility, a few things are evident which I respectfully decline going into because you're not trying to hear it. This does not offend me though because I understand exactly where you are. Please don't interpret that as anything negative. The Lord is working on all of us. Remember that. You said God himself gave you this message and I say to you that although God does share his heart and mind with those he has called to speak for Him early on, He does not release the individual to say anything without love as the motivation behind what is being said. When love is behind it, the manifestation is different than what you have displayed. There's alot of you in there right now. Your personal dislikes are in there, some of your bad experiences are in there. I did not come here to go back and forth with you however, I came across this forum while looking up something else and thought it would be nice to come on and meet other Christians. I will not be responding any further on this issue. Keep your fire, keep standing for the truth, just add love and compassion and it will be more effective. God Bless | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.247 |
salt- Although you stated you won't be responding any further on this issue, I will address what you have stated on this public forum. Love is not an "ooey, gooey" feeling. No, love is more than a feeling. Love is ACTION. Love speaks the truth, regardless of whether or not a person agrees with it. How else do you call a wolf a wolf? Or tell somebody that their teachings are hell-bound? Would you rather I sugar coat it and tell somebody "well, maybe, maybe you might go to hell, or maybe she's a wolf, although she might devour your soul, go ahead and believe what the woman teaches or prophesies".... Now on top of being in pride, you accuse me of no love. Paul exposed the lies and falsehoods of those who were misleading the sheep. As did Peter, John and Jesus Himself. Jesus didn't mince His words about wolves. Neither did the apostles. They were not interested in the opinions of men, but rather were showing their love by their deeds, by their willingness to endure the insults and ridicule of those who opposed the truth. When I see a two year old standing in the street with a mac truck getting ready to run him over, I'm not going to sit there and say "Johnny, sweetheart, please get out of the street honey. I know you like trucks, aren't they neat? But sweetie, the road just isn't the place to play with trucks. Now honey, I don't want you to worry about that truck that's heading towards you, don't even look at it... I don't want to scare you. I want you to be at peace. But sugar, I'm only trying to help you. Please, get out of the road."......no! But rather I would jump in myself and knock the kid to the side of the road! You can laugh at this scenario and say it doesn't apply to this situation, but it does in every way. If you honestly believe that somebody is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that wolf is leading people to hell, would you really be loving the sheep by petting them, pumping up their ego, being nice to them, giving them candy, (or I guess in a sheep's case, really green grass, lol), OR WOULD YOU TAKE A ROD, SMACK THE WOLF UPSIDE THE HEAD, AND SNATCH THE SHEEP FROM IT'S CLUTCHES? Sure it hurts! But look at the PRECIOUS life (as you put it), that is SAVED. THAT IS REAL LOVE. Honest, genuine non-candy coated LOVE. I'm not going to ever mislead a person about the likes of Juanita Bynum, and you shouldn't either. I don't care how many prophecies of hers that MAY have came to pass, they are not of God. She misleads people to serve money. Now I know where my heart is, and so does God. My motivation IS love. And yes, God does choose to work through this clay of mine. I don't need your commendation to continue to minister as God has decided to use me. | ||
| mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 261 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 |
you cannot serve God and Mammon . | ||
| nomoresheets4me (nomoresheets4me) New member Username: nomoresheets4me Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 157.150.192.237 |
WOW!  you guys are tough!! but after thoroughly reading these posts, I felt compelled to share MY view on her and her ministry: 1) I was TRULY uplifted and inspired with her 'No more sheets' video - I know for certain that God used her to speak to me and MANY women that were playing around with sex-outside-of-marriage and the way she put it clearly for me, I thank God for her 2) What I loved about her at that time was her humbleness - her seemingly 'I'm-real-and-like-you' nature .. and I would think, 'wow, if she can do it [having gone through all of that - surely, so can I] ... Her message and I still believe her best calling is in the ..oops' WAS in the singles ministry and the encouragement for us to HOLD on and due God's work first and foremost 3) BUT when I recently turned on the television and found her SHOUTING and DEMANDING praise from people .. what happend to the firm but loving appeal from us? this new lady threatened me and said that if I didn't do this and/or speak in tongues, I'd be going to hell!! I had a scoobydoo moment 'aarrgghh?' Is this the same woman I so loved and admired who displayed a firm but quiet spirit? and the hair, the nails, the makeup .. wowowo .. what happened here? sisters been BLESSED, ha .. but what is it about her appereance that's rubbing me wrong? oh, that's it - the fact that in the beginning of her ministry she would always speak out AGAINST the showing off and such - that's it, that's why I loved her - she told woman that they ought to be careful how they portray themselves and how when and if she should ever be 'blessed/a.k.a. RICH' she wouldn't be much different .. oh well, I guess she has to keep up with the Jones's of the televengelical world .. 4) I still believe she has an important message and if God's voice is so calling her to deliver her message as such, then I have to deal with my preconceptions and understand this is how things will be - as long as she's speaking from the Bible and relaying God's message accordingly, I wish her all the best in teaching and reaching all! But the prophetess part - I have a hard time swallowing that portion - but I have to admit, it's just not her this pill is too big to consume, but from all preachers - speakers of God's word - and her prophetic messages sound much like Cleo's old thoughts -- so, the gist of my rambling is that we as believers in Christ need to study for ourselves - and with that light, we'll be able to discern for ourselves what is of God and what isn't - as for me, regardless of what she is or isn't accused of, I believe that she was sent by God for us and that like common sense, ANYTHING anyone says, should be marked against the Bible ... I just bought her wedding cd and I'm going to enjoy every bit of her ridiculously oppulent wedding! I mean, anyone to have gone through all that NONSENSE in her past DESERVES, at the very least a blow out celebration if anything, to prove that we are all deserving of such a celebration!! no matter who's money it's coming from .. side note, you guys need to really stop being punked into giving money everytime!! really  | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.150.186 |
nomoresheets- After careful study of God's word and prayer, I do not believe I am sharing "my" opinion about Juanita Bynum. God's word is crystal clear concerning riches, greed, pride of life, and high minded power seeking. We are to handle God's word with reverence. The fear of God should be our motivation when we speak or preach His word, not our own opinions, desires or wants. We are to rightly divide the word, not twisting it to satisfy our own greed and misleading sheep to hell. I don't believe Juanita "deserved" a million+ dollar wedding. This is setting up distinctions within the body of Christ. Read the book of James concerning such things. These distinctions should not even be mentioned. God loves and cares for all of His children equally. Those who have much are commanded to give much. We are to treat the needs of our brothers and sisters in Christ as our very own needs. That is why in the book of Acts that those who had much didn't have too much, and those who gathered little had enough....because they had all things in common and shared with those who had need. Where are the distinctions in the Acts description? There aren't any. Juanita Bynum receives riches from donations given to her in God's name. She is accountable for the money that she receives in His name. The apostles in the book of Acts were faithful to distribute what was given to them to the poor or those who had the need. They did not lavish the riches upon themselves. Their witness is our example. | ||
| apositivefocus (apositivefocus) New member Username: apositivefocus Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
WOW !!! I am certainly glad to see this discussion going on. I thought that I was the only one who felt this way about this FALSE PROPHETESS My grandfather once told me " He {she} who toots his {her} own horn plays off key. This is most assuredly the case with Juanita Bynum. Jesus made Himself of NO reputation but rather EMPTIED HIMSELF AND BECAME A SERVANT. He did not boast of his "OFFICE" but rather performed the miracles and let the results speak for themselves. He was THE TRUE PROPHET OF GOD. It may be that Juanita is a sister in the Lord, only HE know for certain but she is not humbling herself in fact she is doing just the opposite; she is EXALTING herself. i.e. See the shameful displaying of the "wedding" as if the LORD Himself had just returned. The scripture admonishes us "to not think more highly of ourselves than we ought" Anyone who annoints themselves as a "prophetess" of God should beware. Joseph Smith did the very same thing and we all know the devastating results. Mohamad did the same and it has led many to the eternal flames of hell. By the way; There is NO ONE alive today who can annoint someone to this "office". One can only come along to restore a fellow Christian when and if they acknowlege their error and seek restoration. They must make themselves available to caring believers for the restoration. NO ONE can get near her. Anyone who see the errors of this person is accused of "touching the annointed of God" So the one in error is thusly refusing rebuke and restoration. If they do not make themselves open to those who can see the "errors", then it is the responsiblity of believers to warn the Church of false prophets and heresy. Surely we MUST pray for Juanita Bynum but that does preclude us from SHOUTING THE TRUTH FROM THE HOUSE TOPS. | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 155 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.86.67 |
Well said! Her wedding was a shocking and repelling display of self-aggrandisement. She won't get correction from her self-annointed, self-appointed TBN cronies either. As the saying goes, the fish rots from the head down. Starting with Paul Crouch they have all appointed and 'annointed' themselves to putrify the message of the Lord's gospel and true spirituality. The few who might not be gulity of it need to remove themselves from TBN as scripture instructs them to do. But they won't because they have made themselves dependent on this spiritual whore for their own 'success'. | ||
| d_boz513 (d_boz513) New member Username: d_boz513 Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 198.246.246.7 |
There's such a spirit of Jealousy on this messageboard and a lot of it has to do with the color of her skin. People are so upset that such a beautiful Ebony woman, is being used by God. And let me tell she's no the only one. jet Black men and woman alike are raising from the prison preaching the gospel and there is nothing any bigot can do about it. Go ahead and hate and miss out on the annointing, I'm not going to stop you. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 79 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.255.104.224 |
Race does not play a part with exposing a scam artist. "raising from the prison preaching the gospel"....are you saying that all black preachers are convicts? You have missed the mark d_boz | ||
| miracle1 (miracle1) New member Username: miracle1 Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.188.117.13 |
Black is indeed beautiful and lovely, but-I think people may be referring to her spirit as ugly. We as a race of people do endure a lot of jealousy, because of who we are; however, I think people may be desiring to listen to more women who are feminine at all times and not offend people. The way she throws out to media audiences may be so offensive to people and in the eyes of God, may very well turn some people away. I am not responding to judge, but this is my personal opinion. These days we need more Godly women of all races to reveal themselves according to biblical standards, not so hard. We as black women need to know that we can be beautiful without being so domineering, that-is my viewpoint. I am not responding to argue with anyone.} The very importance of being saved is that we be truthful and yet pray for one another, but do things decently and in order. May God bless all of you. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.209.67.106 |
Miracle, please explain some things for me. 1. " We as a race of people do endure a lot of jealousy, because of who we are" Who are we? 2. "These days we need more Godly women of all races to reveal themselves according to biblical standards, not so hard." What are biblical standards? And how does that play a role in modern society? 3. It is my opinion that she was 'ok' initially but nothing earth shattering. However, when she married, she lost the 'ok.' If she is submitting to the head (her husband), then we need to examine this picture as a whole. The marketing, salesmanship, and profiteering began shamelessly (it was happening before she got married, but it was more subdued.) after she married. Is her husband the catalyst behind the current overflow of marketing? If so, should she put an end to it (the marketing) and return back to her roots? Or should she allow herself to be exploited and exploit the Gospel? (Message edited by gsrh on September 24, 2005) | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Junior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 36 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
She's got nothing, If you want to see someone exploit the gospel, get over and check out Reverend Leroy Jenkins...He's the shit. | ||
| love22698 (love22698) Intermediate Member Username: love22698 Post Number: 206 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.119.37.215 |
i am saved sanctified HOLY GHOST filled fire baptised ive got JESUS on my side and im running for my life. praise THE LORD | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Junior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.161.118.100 |
What's Jesus got to do with this? I thought we were all here for the entertainment value. Anyway if you still feel you need to be saved, you can send a prayer request to jmb@leroyjenkins.com. | ||
| judascub (judascub) Junior Member Username: judascub Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.30.220 |
IAMLIVES-(This Message is for you.) You see how people like Juanita Bynum and Creflo, and Jakes write instructions on how we should live? Whats the difference between them and the apostles? Paul himself says in Romans 7 that he is "UN"SPIRITUAL! Romans 7:14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. He wrote most of what we consider instructions for living. Now the scripture plainly states: John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will. If Paul was unspiritual, then he was carnal and GOD did not hear him. So the message he spoke was not from GOD according to the scripture(John 9:31). The message Paul spoke was from Paul, and he influenced the rest, including people today. Now, We know that the bible is not one book. It is a series of books put together by the Catholic church. So this verse in Revelation does not refer the the bible as a whole; Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, because if it did he would not have said a similar thing in this book, Deuteronomy 29:20 The LORD will never be willing to forgive him; his wrath and zeal will burn against that man. All the curses written in this book will fall upon him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven. I am putting the emphasis on "this book," because at the different times they were written, not one of them referred to the other. So my next question to you is, who said all of these books were meant to be put together? GOD never did. Study a little theology. Now to my next question. The books in the new tesiment were sermons preached by the "men of GOD" in that era. We dont know everything they did and preached, so how can we say they were "of GOD?" We say Juanita is making mistakes because we are here and we can see them, but we dont know everything Paul preached and did to determine whether he was from GOD. Why should we put our faith in the incomplete testiomony of men who we really dont know? Faith is serious. The million dollar questions! 2000 years from now lets say the bible is done away with and all that is left are the written, taped, and video recorded messages of motivational preachers such as Creflo, Juanita and Jakes. Will these sermons be considered scripture? Would it be right if they did consider them as messages from GOD? They wont know because they didnt get to see them as we did; and thats entirely. What do you say for those who just believe because it was written. What about "Revelation" and relationship.Jesus told Peter, on this rock I will build my church. That rock was the fact that Peter heard from the FATHER himself. Thats not to say Peter stayed right because Peter was the first Pope. Jesus clearly stated: Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. John 20:22-23 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." The Pope is called father and HE forgives sins in the wrong manner. Notice Jesus said "receive the Holy Spirit." Even he did no miracles until he received the Holy Spirit in Power(The Anointing). So when he said this he was referring to diseases. Here is the verse that proves it. Luke 5:24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...." He said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home." The sin was the disability, not a trespass against the FATHER. So even Peter made mistakes. Remember GOD does not hear sinners. So those who beleive in the apostles should not be harsh with Juanita. It is possible for a man to change his life and begin to live sinless. Thats what it means to be born again. That new seed in you is the word (revelation from GOD) and not the vain philosophies of religious men. Check out this scripture: 1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Thats why I follow Jesus only because he tells us its possible to be perfect, meaning fully obedient: Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. If someone is preaching anything differnt that Jesus then I dont listen, because I believe he is from the FATHER. Even the apostles of the new testiment preached a different message than Jesus. 1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. So the person who is leading you astray is the person who said: Romans 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;(Paul) So who is right, Paul or John. One of them is wrong and its the one that doesnt sound like Jesus. I apoligize everything is so scattered but think carefully and please respond to all the questions? I would greatly appreciate it. Juda | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 99 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.209.52.77 |
"We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will." We are ALL sinners....Does that mean that God doesn't listen to us? What exactly is a godly man? The bible states that if we believe and confess that Jesus is our Lord and Saviour that we will be saved. So please explain, maybe I missed something. "If Paul was unspiritual, then he was carnal and GOD did not hear him. So the message he spoke was not from GOD according to the scripture(John 9:31). The message Paul spoke was from Paul, and he influenced the rest, including people today." Are you saying that we should disregard everything that Paul wrote because God was not listening to him because he was "UNSPIRITUAL"? Because if God is not listening to you, I believe it is safe to assume that he is not talking to you either. Please explain this further. "Now, We know that the bible is not one book. It is a series of books put together by the Catholic church. So this verse in Revelation does not refer the the bible as a whole; Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, because if it did he would not have said a similar thing in this book, Deuteronomy 29:20 " There are several books that were not included in the King James version of the Bible but were included in the Catholic bible (I don't want to go into explaining canonization.). If you are alluding to the fact that these 'ministers' may be using knowledge ascertained from the additional books, then why do they not give their parisioners the opportunity to investigate and read it for themselves. I have yet to hear any of them refer to the Apocrypha. Please explain further. "I am putting the emphasis on "this book," because at the different times they were written, not one of them referred to the other. So my next question to you is, who said all of these books were meant to be put together? GOD never did. Study a little theology." What are you referring to when you say "this book"? Are you speaking about the KJV Bible, Catholic Bible, or a specific book that was written by Paul? You are ambiguous. God didn't say a lot of things but man made religion made up a bunch of things in the name of God. I have studied Theology extensively, but I need for you to be clearer on what exactly you are talking about. Also, most of the 'ministers' that you have mentioned don't study theology and look down upon it. "We say Juanita is making mistakes because we are here and we can see them, but we dont know everything Paul preached and did to determine whether he was from GOD. Why should we put our faith in the incomplete testiomony of men who we really dont know? Faith is serious. " Then what is the purpose of any of this. Should we totally disregard the Bible? This is the reason why we have so many denominations and false prophets running around. Everyone has a 'word.' The Bible states that we are to put no faith in man. You and I both know that man will let you down everytime. We are to put our faith in God and God alone. Regarding the comment about us not knowing who these men were....uh, we don't know who these other people are either. We see them on television and they manipulate and twist scriptures so that people who don't read the bible will quote the idiotic doctrine that they created to justify their pilfering. Regarding the "incomplete" aspect of your comment, come on now...do you really believe that these people are being completely forthright? You can't be that naive. I truly don't believe that Juanita, Cref or Jakes have to worry about being immortalized. "Thats not to say Peter stayed right because Peter was the first Pope." Are you saying that Peter fell from grace because he was a Pope? Help me to understand this comment. Do you have an issue with Catholicism? If so, what? I personally don't believe in praying to statues and anyone besides God/Jesus. "The sin was the disability, not a trespass against the FATHER." How is disability a sin? Are children who are born disabled or with birth defects sinners? Or are they paying for the sins of their parents? If this is what you are saying, then is God a sadist? Why would he allow an innocent child to bear the burden of his/her ignorant, sinful parents? What about 'saved' people who develop disabilities later in life? Was there a glitch in their faith? If they listened to and obeyed the word that spewed forth from their pastor, then who is at fault? The faithful Christian or the questionable pastor? This is not about Juanita. Why are you taking this personal? People are not attacking her, per se. They are questiong her motives. That's legitimate. I wish Paul and Peter could come back and answer some of the questions that have been posed by many regarding their ministries...I won't speculate on what they may say but I believe that a lot of the 'ministers' of today would walk away wounded and hurt spiritually. The truth hurts. SHOW ME ONE SINLESS PERSON ON THIS EARTH. Are you sinless? I am not and I will not act as though I am. But I know that God has forgiven me of my sins. If God wants us to fogive each other multiple times, where does He stand in that equation? I would really like to know your opinion on this. Why do you quote anyone other than Jesus if you believe that they preached a message different than Jesus'? If you believe what you stated "If someone is preaching anything differnt that Jesus then I dont listen, because I believe he is from the FATHER. Even the apostles of the new testiment preached a different message than Jesus." then you have invalidated the majority of what you said because the Apostles were deviant (your words, not mine). Please expound on your comments. (Message edited by gsrh on October 02, 2005) | ||
| cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 329 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
Juda Joh 9:1 As Jesus was walking along, he saw a man who had been born blind. Joh 9:2 His disciples asked him, "Teacher, whose sin caused him to be born blind? Was it his own or his parents' sin?" Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, "His blindness has nothing to do with his sins or his parents' sins. He is blind so that God's power might be seen at work in him. Obviously you haven't read your Bible lately. And as a parent of a disabled child, I find your comments offensive. I know I have said that I wouldn't be responding to you, but I just couldn't let this one go. You need to get off the internet and into church. A good, Bible-believing church. Don't bother responding to this, because I won't be back. Cybermom | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 101 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.213.174.82 |
Right Cybermom | ||
| judascub (judascub) Junior Member Username: judascub Post Number: 29 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.27.147 |
gsrh- For the first question, I am not saying disregard everything Paul said. I am saying eveything Paul said is not from GOD just like the preachers of today. Who told you you were a sinner. Is a righteous man a sinner? Please answer this gsrh? Yes we all HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, sinned. Thats why Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again. Paul said put away the old man, which he never did. I dont disregard everything Paul says. I know how to rightly divide the truth though. 1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. I have not made it yet gsrh to perfection but I plan on doing it. Answer this please? If you knew you were going to die in a week, would you continue in your bad ways? Please be honest. Im not better than anyone else on here, but I said to myself I would not do a thing wrong. That entire week I would try to right all my wrongs mend broken relationships and help as many people as possible. So then I said why not do that now. It would be safer since I dont know when GOD will call me. How would you live gsrh? Remember in GODs eyes, sinless is perfection. Would you sin in those last seven days? Try to do it for one day gsrh, then two, .... its possible. I have done it. So lets say sinless instead of perfect because perfect is a harder pill to swallow. I have actually lived days where I was so occupied with ministery I didnt sin. About Peter falling from grace. Not because he was the Pope but because of what they do in office such as: Forgiving peoples sins against GOD and being called father. Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Jesus said this and it is a command. Even today Christians do it. Juanita Bynum wrote an entire book about having a "spiritual father." So I dont have anything against Catholisism. I have a problem with sin, I hate sin, disobedience, strife, bitterness, deceit, confusion and mis understanding. This leads me to the next issue. I teach autistic, mentally, physically, and emotionally handicapped children. I LOVE them so much that I want to be able to lay hands and heal them. The only thing is I dont have the holy spirit in POWER. I need it and will have it. I just want them to be able bodied and mentally unchallenged. I visit them an play PS2 Madden on the weekends and its a blast. Now Cybermom only proved my point: Joh 9:1 As Jesus was walking along, he saw a man who had been born blind. Joh 9:2 His disciples asked him, "Teacher, whose sin caused him to be born blind? Was it his own or his parents' sin?" Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, "His blindness has nothing to do with his sins or his parents' sins. He is blind so that God's power might be seen at work in him. Now gsrh please listen. This is your statement: How is disability a sin? Are children who are born disabled or with birth defects sinners? Or are they paying for the sins of their parents? If this is what you are saying, then is God a sadist? Why would he allow an innocent child to bear the burden of his/her ignorant, sinful parents? What about 'saved' people who develop disabilities later in life? Was there a glitch in their faith? If they listened to and obeyed the word that spewed forth from their pastor, then who is at fault? The faithful Christian or the questionable pastor? The disability is not a sin, it is sin because it is an impure weakened state of human nature. Sickness an disease is sin because it causes suffering and pain not only to the afflicted, but to their loved ones. Now according to Cybermoms post, the man wasnt blind BECAUSE of anyones sin but in the illustration I posted it Jesus forave the parylitic his sin. Now to forgive means to pardon or grant relief. The sin was paralysis and relief was granted. Luke 5:24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...." He said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home." Am I still ambiguous? Please answer? Now the apostles doctrine was not completly different. I study them and like I said, "rightly divide the truth." GSRH look at these versus. 1 Corithians 14 22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. "prophesy, however, is...not for unbelievers." O.K prohpesy is not for unbelievers right, thats what it says , its not a parable. Now look at the benefit of prophesy to an unbeliever in versus 24 and 25: 1 Corinthians 14 24 But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25 and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!" Prophesy will cause an unbeliever to worship GOD. So why does he say its not for them. It doesnt say he became a believer, it just says he worshiped GOD which will ultimately lead to his salvation. Ddo you agree. These two statements conflict and its not GOD because GOD is Holy. This is Pauls error. Yes and its in the bible. I am not taking anything personal, its just that I believe one the only things that made Paul different from Juanita is that he admitted his error. I dont even think she recognizez hers. It is important for you guys to point out there flaws. I would be even greater if we had an entire forum dedicated to prayer for them. All sinners are redeemable. If you are willing to start such a thread gsrh I be happy to agree. Two or more is all it takes. And Cybermom if I ever receive POWER to heal Im going to post it and hope youre watching. If GOD ever grants me the power and I exercise on one or more of my students, I will be chasing you down. I really dont like offending people, I apoligize again}. | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.123.126 |
judascub- You asked me to respond to you, but I have to be honest, the majority of what you have stated is very disjointed and confusing. From what I can gather from your statements in this thread and the other JB thread, it appears that you believe those who are exposing the false doctrines of JB are doing so from a spirit of error. I cannot speak for the other people here concerning their heart condition, but I can speak for myself. I am judged by the Lord, He is my judge, and He has given me authority to speak concerning this wicked church in America. I believe you are a very confused individual judascub. I don't say this condescendingly, but rather I appeal to you, to thoroughly dig into God's word in BELIEVING FAITH, allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you into all truth, rightly dividing the word of God, taking in the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD, not seeking your own way, but in all your ways acknowledging Him, and He will make your path straight. In other postings you have accused others that they are exposing JB because they feel better about themselves by doing so. I believe you are being presumptuous. You claim to have authority to correct or reprove others for exposing JB, but this is not of God. God desires that all who are blaspheming Him, such as Juanita Bynum, to be exposed for the false prophet/esses that they are. It appears that you are confused concerning sin. Nobody here can claim that they have NEVER sinned, BUT, those who claim to be forgiven and have received God's Holy Spirit should not be walking CURRENTLY in sin. The words that Paul wrote concerning the sin nature were inspired by God's Spirit. Jesus spoke directly to Paul. He was inspired by God Himself. Would you preach to Paul or John as you do to us, ie- to put away our bad ways, AS IF WE HAD NOT ALREADY DONE SO? You don't know the condition of anybody here. Yet, Juanita does expose herself to everyone by her visible television ministry. It is what she has allowed to be seen by men that is under scrutiny. Her words and her actions ARE NOT lining up with God's qualifications or truth. Your claim that the only thing we should be doing is to "pray" for her is not God's advice. We are to contend for the faith once delivered. We are to treat God's word with holy fear/reverence. When we see God's precious message being maligned, we should fight for the truth. (I'm going to quote you here....) "You see how people like Juanita Bynum and Creflo, and Jakes write instructions on how we should live? Whats the difference between them and the apostles? Paul himself says in Romans 7 that he is "UN"SPIRITUAL! Romans 7:14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin." You need to look CAREFULLY at the context Paul was using in that verse. He was speaking of his PAST. He was using his PRIOR sinful condition as an example to lead others to forgiveness of their sins. Paul was not claiming that he CONTINUED to be unspiritual. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PAUL'S WORDS AND THE WORDS OF FALSE PROPHET/ESSES SUCH AS CREFLO DOLLAR, TD JAKES AND JUANITA BYNUM. Paul's ministry was PROVEN through many accounts as to the genuine sincerity and honesty that he displayed in his stewardship given to him by God. None of these modern ministers whom I have mentioned have displayed one iota of character, honesty and truth in their teachings/prophesying. They are greedily fleecing the flock of Christ. They have proven their hearts through their own words and actions, that they are of the spirit of antichrist. They should be thoroughly rejected. They have no approval of God whatsoever. There is absolutely NO comparison between Paul and these modern day false apostles/prophets. "He wrote most of what we consider instructions for living. Now the scripture plainly states: John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will. If Paul was unspiritual, then he was carnal and GOD did not hear him. So the message he spoke was not from GOD according to the scripture(John 9:31). The message Paul spoke was from Paul, and he influenced the rest, including people today." judascub, if this is what you truthfully believe, then throw away the bible, it has no validity or value to you. As I explained above, you NEED to understand the CONTEXT of what Paul was saying, he was speaking of his FORMER life. Paul did NOT remain unspiritual. Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. | ||
| arron (arron) Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 346 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.215 |
i havent heard much about her since she had her great big wedding. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 102 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.255.106.42 |
I concur Iamlives...he is very confused. I agree with Cybermom....he needs to find a Bible believing and teaching church. I made it very clear that his thoughts were ambiguous and he still talked himself into a corner. I will not respond anymore. | ||
| judascub (judascub) Junior Member Username: judascub Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.27.147 |
IamLives- O.K. Paul said "I (am)unspiritual" sir. Look up "am" and youll see "be". Here is the definition of BE. 1: to have, maintain, or occupy a place, situation, or position 2: to have identity with 3: to have a specified qualification or characterization "Am" refers to a present state of being. When GOD said I "AM", HE wasnt saying I was. You look at the context, please sir. Example: (I"am"Lives) are you referring to a former life. Remember Paul had a thorn in his side and it was guilt. You dont believe men could live sinless but you defend Paul as if he did. I "am" (at this present moment in time)not a confused person. I am not just going to let anyone lead me around blindly. (past or present minister) That really wasnt called for. just because the men in the bible had issues doesnt mean GOD did. No I wont throw the bible away because its a record and testimony of all kinds of GODless and GODly men. Reviewing the bible helps me to see things clearly, all things. Oh, and I never ever said there was someone living who never sinned. Read the CONTEXT of what I said again please sir. 1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Thats why I follow Jesus only because he tells us its possible to be perfect, meaning fully obedient What were you reading? This is what I "am"(not at a former time but now)saying; After a man is truly born again he is a new creature like Paul said and I agree with Paul on that one. The new creature has a diffrent nature. That nature is spiritual and not unspiritual. Once this new life is obtained you will not continue to sin. GOD forgives your sins and remembers them no more. So when GOD wipes them out its like they never existed. Only in the minds of men are the sins remembered and leads to the guilt that constantly makes you feel like a sinner. Just becuse you dont understand me dont call me confused. Youre the one not catching what Im saying. Its better to say explain it better like (GSRH) did. I respect that. Main Entry: INSPIRED Function: adjective : outstanding or brilliant in a way or to a degree SUGGESTIVE of divine All of Juanitas messages are inspired by GOD just like timothy and paul and creflo and jakes and peter etc... They wrote it. Of course they believe they were inspired. Its just suggestive. you believe your inspired as well, are all of your staements flawless? You know who inpires me, myself. I want to get to know GOD and through relationship, revelation, and not soley through another mans testimony. You know what happens to children who dont find out they are adpoted until late. They develope negative feelings in MOST cases of distrust. Thats because they never asked, How are you my parents, they just BELIEVE. All of you go and see that movie the Island. Its so good. Everything we believe, someone else told it to us. How much of it was really GOD? How much has GOD told you? How many of you even hear from the FATHER, the Creator, the only living GOD. Note: When Timothy was preaching about "scripture" he was referring to the old testiment scrolls. HE wasnt referring to his own message. Look at the CONTEXT of his writing. He Had no idea they were going to group his SERMONs (cause thats all they were) with other books and call it a bible. Who told you where to put your FAITH (Iamlives), Im curious. I guess they control you by telling you how to worship your own GOD. I wish Creflo would say his book No More Debt was inspired by GOD and all of it is good for reproof and that its the only way. A lot of people would belive that, like zombies. Im not finished with you (Iamlives). Im just sleepy. GSRH where are you? | ||
| judascub (judascub) Junior Member Username: judascub Post Number: 31 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.27.147 |
Im in the corner but the only one not speechless. You guys like to insult and cut down. Its OK. GOD is GOD no matter how twisted I may seem to you guys. HE will show me the way all my life. You know why, because I ask, I seek, and knock. If the bible was the only source for GOD the Jesus would have said so. GOD is the source for GOD. Seek GOD through prayer not the bible. When David and the good ol boys wanted GOD they sought HIM through a personal relationship, not a book. This book has become a god. Id rather hear GOD say it then to read what someone else said he said. then your trust is in someone elses relationship with GOD. What has GOD said to you lately? Good night children. | ||
| judascub (judascub) Junior Member Username: judascub Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.27.147 |
Im in the corner but the only one not speechless. You guys like to insult and cut down. Its OK. GOD is GOD no matter how twisted I may seem to you guys. HE will show me the way all my life. You know why, because I ask, I seek, and knock. If the bible was the only source for GOD the Jesus would have said so. GOD is the source for GOD. Seek GOD through prayer not the bible. When David and the good ol boys wanted GOD they sought HIM through a personal relationship, not a book. This book has become a god. Id rather hear GOD say it then to read what someone else said, GOD said. Then your trust is in someone elses relationship with GOD. What has GOD said to you lately? Good night children. | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.150.83 |
judascub- You obviously believe that you have all the correct understanding. Why question anyone here when you already know what you believe? I hold to my former posting to you concerning Paul. And I totally REJECT the notion that Juanita Bynum is inspired by God. She's inspired by her father the devil. There's really nothing more for us to discuss, except to let you know, I'm a lady, not a sir! LOL. but wait! concerning my netname, I really am not up to going to task with you over it. It simply is refering to God being alive, no reference to myself, it is a simple and true message. I am disappointed however that this message board did not allow me to capitalize the "I AM" portion of the message. It lower cased it against my wishes. Well, take care judascub! | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 41 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.150.83 |
gsrh- thanks. I too see ambiguity in these discussions with judascub, and am bowing out! take care! | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 180 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.74.44 |
Judascub is currently more interested in having his/her ears tickled with every new wind of doctrine that comes down the pike. The church is reeling with false ideas and teachers to accomodate these people. They don't want the truth. If a person cannot see through Juanita Bynum's false teaching and emphasis on magnifying and glorifying herself for money and prestige, there is zip spiritual discernment. | ||
| judascub (judascub) Junior Member Username: judascub Post Number: 33 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.27.147 |
You know what I can see now, you guys are so right. I totally understand. Thanks guys, you have helped me a lot. You have answered questions and helped me to reach a final conclusion on the aspect of religion. You religious people are clanish and very dependant on your beliefs. Like the great Jesus said, according to "your" faith, be it unto you. I laugh because everyone believes different in your religion. I was thinking about Chritianity but you guys like to bash others. Others in your own faith. Where I come from we help people to see their errors. I hope every Christian is not like you all. I expected to be welcomed and taught in LOVE not single out and LABLED confused. From what I read your suppose to convince me. Just because I displayed different ideas and asked different questions you guys blocked me out and joined together against me. Thats how they did your savior; like youre doing me. GOD if Christianity is the way to go, please send me some real loving, forgiving, born-again, non-gossipping, understanding, wise, obedient, focused, GOD hearing, fearing, living saints. PLEASE GOD. I want to know the truth and not like this. These people are spiritually abrasive. Love Juda> please respond, someone who hears from GOD? | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 181 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.103.142 |
Your little game is losing its sizzle, Judascub. | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
I am not a follower of Sister Bynum, however, I felt compelled to post: Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For each one shall bear his own load. Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:1 8 (NKJ) More importantly: Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. II Timothy 2:14 18 (NKJ) What we as Evangelists/Teachers must do is advocate that people hear what they have to say, then read what the Bible says regarding what they heard. If it is biblical, then praise God. If it is not, TUNE THEM OUT! | ||
| mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 331 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 |
so tell me how we can restore such a one ,when that one is up on a pedestal and not approachable ???? this is common in many mega- churches where the senior pastors are unapproachable | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 183 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.64.245.137 |
These people get plenty of correction by email and letter. On the internet there are Bible-based corrective commentaries on their teachings and methods. Don't tell me they don't check the net to see what is being said about them. They're just on their own different track and aim to stay there as long as they can. | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
Mikko Do you honestly believe they do not already know? Anyone who sincerely studies The Word knows when they have stepped out of His order. I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she knows. The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord, And He delights in his way. Psalm 37:23 My God finds no delight in her ministry. Let me make that clear, that I am not against Sister Bynum, but I do not agree with her ministry. I am sure that Sister Bynum, like all the rest of them, knows she is out of order. Her ministry has changed, but it has not gone to another level. I have heard her a few times, but could not follow along with her sermon for I knew she was not speaking word. Now, when others say she is a prophetess, I say to them Not saying she isnt, but how do you know she is? When they cannot answer the question, I tell them to go to God, ask Him to give you the gift of discerning spirits (which in my personal opinion, every Christian should have.) So far, I have had this conversation with 5 women, none of which have approached me letting me know that Sister Bynum is truly a prophetess. On another subject, being that I do not follow her ministry, can someone tell me when did she become a doctor? | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 184 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.133 |
Such a good post, Mikko. People believe these people are supper annointed, etc, only because they are told to believe it and lack spiritual discernment to know any better. And yes, when did she become a 'doctor'? Oral Roberts, for one, hands out these designations from ORU like candy. Most of the WoF people use them to try to portray themselves as superior to their following and thus gain their confidence deceitfully. That's all that can be said about them - they are used for deceptive purposes. In the secular world, they are not by truly reputable people. | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
Anony, You're telling me, that basically, anyone can go to Oral Roberts (satans most prolific imp) and get a doctorate? If this is the case, I am losing even more respect for Sister Bynum. As a woman, she should not allow herself to be pimped by such evil-doers. She is in a position where she could do so much good for women, and she has gone on her own personal agenda and forgotten the reason that God put her in the position of evangelist. That no matter where you come from, God can and will use you for His purpose. | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 185 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.246.88 |
belovedone, They are honorary doctorates. Oral gives them to his WoF friends. Recipients of honorary doctorates from secular universities seldom use them to misrepresent themselves. Christians do...figure that one. (Message edited by anony on October 13, 2005) | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.246.88 |
Btw, I don't know where Juanita got her 'doctorate'...just saying where many get the honorary ones. (Message edited by anony on October 13, 2005) | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
See, that's what I dont get. They are messengers for our Savior, yet they dont want to be under His rule. As Christians, we are not to be deceitful: Keep your heart with all diligence, for out of it spring the issues of life. Put away from you a deceitful mouth, and put perverse lips far from you. Proverbs 4:23 24 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren. Proverbs 6:16 19 A true witness delivers souls, but a deceitful witness speaks lies. Proverbs 14:25 They behave in a manner that many Christians know is worldly, then when those of us are ministering to sinners; sinners come back with what they see more public Christians doing. It makes our jobs as Gods Evangelists commissioned to bring Him new saints even more difficult. I must say, in the beginning of her ministry, I was blessed, but now, I am just angry. She has strayed so far from where she started, that I dont even know if she could come back. A friend of mine wanted me to see this program that she was on with 3 other women. I could not get anything out of what was being said, because she was in In the Spirit mode. The woman really had not said anything and Juanita was waving her hands and speaking in tongues. To be honest, I do not make any effort to attend any conference, seminars or the like if I know she is going to be there. HER MINISTRY IS DYSFUNCTIONAL! | ||
| anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.241.130 |
You can say that again. | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 103 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.209.68.200 |
Amen | ||
| atruewomenofgod (atruewomenofgod) New member Username: atruewomenofgod Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 172.172.34.227 |
Dave... i am new just was looking for a christian site so that i could have some bible study or just chat about the word. And I happen to run across this site just to see what good subjects was posted And the things that i was reading about Juanita is terrible and then you cursed and yes you curse regardless of how you put it it was said. What are you telling me as a prophet its ok to curse? And my friend what makes you and anybody else who feels that you are a true prophet of God have you every thought that people could be saying the same thing about you as you saying about Juanita? you see we are so quick to point out others mistake instead of working on our own. A mirror says alot about a person, when a man looks into a mirror and walks away from it he forget about what he looks like on the outside never caring or having second throughts about what's on the inside. which makes it so easy for him to point the finger. We truly need to be careful in how we speak about God people. YOu being a prophet yourself you should know that the word prophet is just another word for PREACHER OR TEACHER. All believers can be called a prophet whether we're preaching or teaching the word of God. Does all have the gift of prophecy NO we don't. Remember Dave there are Nine gifts (3 THAT SAY SOMETHING, 3 THAT DO SOMETHING, AND 3 THAT REVEAL SOMETHING). By me being new you give an bad inpression of how Christian are. its ok to agree to disagree but it is a way of saying things. God did say that he does things in order "did he not" so let's be in order how we do things. I hope that I am welcome with open arms I am known as Atrue. | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
Good afternoon Atrue. Most of the complaints are not about her as a person, but are concerning her ministry. In the beginning, she was this powerhouse of a teacher. In my last comment, I stated that in the beginning, her ministry blessed me, but because I have heard (with my own ears) and seen (with my own eyes) where she has currently taken her ministry, in my opinion, her teachings are ineffective and counterproductive to new saints. | ||
| truly_blessed (truly_blessed) New member Username: truly_blessed Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.140.181.68 |
Greetings to all. I am new to this board but I couldn't help but voice an opinion concerning something mentioned in an earlier posting concerning honorary doctorites. I know that many televangelist have them and some use them in front of there name. In my humble opinion they shouldn't use them in their title as they did not work for them they were only an honor bestowed on them. To me it is false and misleading and diminishess the hard work that other servents of God have done to earn the title. | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
Welcome Truly Blessed! I pray that your time on this message board is productive and brings movement to your spirit and your ministry. I agree with you regarding the honorary doctorate issue. Christians who say they are something that they are not offend me. I have had this discussion with several others and they dont seem to think there is anything wrong with Sister Bynum using the title Dr. Bynum. I explained to them that honorary doctorate does not grant anyone the title of Dr. Anyone. We resolved the issue by agreeing to disagree. I hold no animosity towards Sister Bynum; however, I do hold her to a higher letter of the law. She has been placed in a position among the children of God, and she is deceiving the newborns to the family. I believe this will directly affect her ministrys effectiveness, and could possibly do great harm. Let us agree to lift her up in prayer that God will reveal to her how her ministry is getting sidetracked with titles and the like. Then possibly the old Juanita Bynum will come forward. And I am just going to put it out there the place where her ministry is failing is the fact that her new book has her as Dr. Juanita Bynum and not Dr. Juanita Bynum-Weeks. The Bible instructs wives to submit: Submitting to one another in the fear of God. Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:21 24 If she cant even take her husbands name, the man that God has put over her life, how will new Christian wives know that this is how God intended? Dont get me wrong; I realize that women are marrying after they have established themselves (I am currently single), but I also know as Christians, we are: "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. Matthew 5:13 16 If you get a chance, visit her website www.juanitabynum.com | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
Greetings to you all... I have read your comments...and the extended discussions...and I really wonder...With all of the rhetoric, 'discussion' if you may... how many souls are being exhorted, edified or built up??? You know... Jesus did 'drive out' the moneychangers...rightly because they were cheating the people...the same people who waited to the last minute to purchase/find/get an offering for God. He did not, however, assault anyone... behind their back!!! This is more akin to gossip... and really... my Spirit grieves when I see Christians... and I mean... True Christians... not the watered down versions seen today...injuring each other!!! The Bible tells you how to deal with someone that you have a 'problem' or aught (sp?) against... I did not see anywhere where slander/libel or the like was written in there... It also says who to 'bring' the person before... there is nothing about a global community... though that is/was the thinking of those who wanted to stone the woman 'caught in the act' of adultery...but where was the 'man' or male person- wannabe who was 'with' her??? Some people believe in scaring you into heaven,...others do such with LOVE... which is the first Fruit of the Spirit... remember... LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONGSUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, MEEKNESS, TEMPERANCE, AND FAITH... against SUCH there is no law... But, at this time... since there appear to be personal attacks... hurt feelings... I think...and I can only speak for myself... I think that prayer is in order... unless any of ya'll disagree... since I cannot see a show of hands... I will take it that you unanimously agree... Father, We (all of us) thank You for the opportunity to 'sharpen our swords'...we thank You for Jesus Christ who died upon the cross, arose, and reigns Supreme...we thank You for the blessed Holy Spirit who leads, guides and protects us...we thank You for the persons who have taken the time and energy to post on this site...we also thank You for those same persons using the same or more energy to Spread Your Word to ones who have NOT heard.... we thank You Father...we love and adore You...And, now Father...we ask that You heal any wounded soldiers who have posted such...and strengthen them...we also ask that the gruff/compassion-free will be taught Your compassion and temperance...we ask You to bind them closer to You...Thank You for all of Your grace, mercy, and favour...In the Blessed Name of Jesus...Amen and Amen... | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
Greetings seekerofHim I want to personally encourage you to continue posting to this website, as your words and your prayer are much needed and graciously received. However, I must comment on one thing: As I also read the posts, I noticed quite a few individuals who made personal attacks on Sister Bynum. In addition, I notice that most of those who posted comments, myself included, did not, nor have yet to make a personal attack on Sister Bynum. I did pray for those who were attacking her personally, not on the posting, but during my time of devotion, but I also prayed for Sister Bynum that she would take to heart, whether they be true or false, the words that were being spoken of her. As Christians, we will always be attacked by the devil. Then again, God will speak to us when we are not doing what He has expressly commanded us to do. My comment, as with most of the ones that I completely read, were directed at her ministry – not her character. Those that attacked her character, I did not give the time to read, nor did I give any energy to respond. The Bible tells us that we can examine the fruit: “He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:30 – 37 We can speak against the teachings (Sister Bynum’s ministry) but not the Holy Spirit (Sister Bynum – the vessel that the Holy Spirit indwells.) “Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. If anyone wants to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority. He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.” John 7:16 – 18 Sister Bynum has become like many other televangelists. She tells people that the Lord will bless them if they send money. Not only is this not found anywhere in the Bible, but it discourages those who want to give but are unable to give. The Bible says that we must cheerful givers of our tithe and offering. However, if we pay a tithe to the church, how can they come to us and ask for another offering and justify it? I have personally witnessed shakedowns from televangelists for people to send in $300 sometimes upwards of $500 for a blessing/seed offering. I have also heard them say that if they send an amount not equal to what the Holy Spirit, they will not received the blessing that the Holy Spirit has especially for them. I often wonder, when televangelists request monies from viewers, do they so because they will get a percentage of what is given? Makes you think. Again, thank you for your prayer, and I hope to hear from you soon. (Message edited by BelovedONe on October 31, 2005) | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 105 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.255.105.46 |
I didn't see anywhere about us being cheerful givers of tithes...but that is another discussion. Again, no one is attacking her and this is not personal. I am sure that Juanita is a lovely person and probably a lot of fun to be around when she is not being too deep. However, the marketing and begging are out of control. On her personal website and the website that is sponsored by her and her husband, they do not speak of Jesus or God anywhere. They are peddling goods. You see advertisements for cell phones, cd's, books, conference's, tours, etc. Am I missing something? I really don't think that Jesus would be pleased. I don't have an aught with Juanita and I would love to tell her how I really feel about her ministry. Tell her to call me. Libel - "a publication without justification or lawful excuse which is calculated to injure the reputation of another by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule." The statement must be defamatory, which means that it must be a false statement to the plaintiff's discredit. Ensure that the plaintiff has no skeletons in their closet, as they can emerge at the most awkward moments. Slander is spoken defamation. There are some people who are toeing the line but nothing noteworthy. | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
In response... any publication whether it is done via the internet... in writing could be libelous... the only defense to libel... is that the item is the truth.... the same goes for slander...which comes generally from your mouth...the only defense to that is...again... the truth... i am fully aware of the 'merchandising of the anointing'... and all that goes with it...i have also seen.. where persons will give hundreds of dollars even thousands to attend...let's say... a superbowl game... nba playoffs... the us open... and attend church... or the local ministry that actually feeds them... and provide the lint, change... and a few peppermint that was left in their pockets.... if everyone truly tithed...and did not just throw 'anything' at God...then, such would not be 'thrown' at them... He owns 100% ....but only requires... 10% .... I wish that the federal, state, and/or local government would only request that amount... instead of twenty plus % once social security and other mandated deductions are added in...but that is another discussion... going back to the legal terms... with the developments over the past 20 years... the use of libel and slander has greatly changed from just the dictionary definition... or the definition from Black's Law Dictionary...esp. since there is the state and federal court systems which can alter it and change it to fit the circumstances and facts that are presented to it... there are a number of things that i neither agree nor disagree with... my whole focus... is to ensure.. that our brethren which i am including women also...are not injured/ harmed/ or dissuaded in the meantime... remain eternally blessed... | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 107 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.255.105.46 |
It is semantics....a matter of interpretation | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 108 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.255.105.46 |
That's why we have Appellate Court (or Court of Appeals)...depending on jurisdiction. (Message edited by gsrh on October 31, 2005) | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 43 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.177 |
I'd like to address some of the personal attacks that Juanita Bynum makes against my GOD, the great I AM. She claims to be "anointed" and filled with God's Spirit, yet ROBS God's children. Not only does she rob God's children, but she claims that God has spoken through her to do these things. This is genuine blasphemy. She takes the doctrines of Satan, and claims they are the doctrines of God. This is blasphemy. HERE IS BLASPHEMY......having so much money that you could extravagantly spend over a million dollars on a single day of wedded bliss, YET CLAIM THAT GOD IS COMMANDING GOD'S CHILDREN TO SUPPORT YOU!!!!!!!!! LIAR!!!!! THIEF!!!!!! MURDERER!!!!!!!! ......all three apply to Juanita Bynum. She is touching God's anointed, his innocent children and she will have a day where they will be required of her hand. | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.177 |
gsrh, you said, "However, the marketing and begging are out of control. On her personal website and the website that is sponsored by her and her husband, they do not speak of Jesus or God anywhere. They are peddling goods. You see advertisements for cell phones, cd's, books, conference's, tours, etc. Am I missing something?" I hope you don't mind me answering your question, "Am I missing something?"..... NO!  | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
Soooo... your next line would be....'crucify'... her???? | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
Actually... you should investigate the 'interpretation' of such via the Appellate Courts within the various States and throughout the Federal Court System....which includes the U.S. Supreme Court....the laws and rules of Louisiana may slightly differ...and California is known for being 'different' than the balance of the nation... | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
Going back to a comment made....in June... this society IS quick to give 'attention' to persons...and prop them up as idols....The children of Israel lost many lives while they were in the desert due to such behaviour...following whoever they heard from...about half of their nation chose incorrectly. Later, God used the same type of behaviour to heal them...when they were bitten/attacked by serpents... And throughout the American media,...you hear about the lives of criminals...movie producers make millions... it seems as though the more deviant the person...the better...and the youth...and adults follow them...like little lambs to the slaughter... no one should be looked upon as a god....the first of the Ten Commandments... is broken...if you do....and once one Commandment is broken...the others follow suit....either through your personal life or through your thought process... The Bible admonishes us, however,....how to 'try the spirits'....It also says how to deal with persons, again, who you have an 'aught' against... Each person must consider their own faults/frailties...and their motives for 'exposing' certain actions/ideas...too....You know...the remove a little mote vs a beam within your own eye theory..... There could be a miniscule portion of covetness, jealousy, or envy (which are three similar but different items) involved....it may be due to the person's sudden success, gender, ethnicity, class,...initial class designation...honors or accolades given....(honorary degrees fall in this category)...no one has disagreed with the granting of honorary degrees to a high school dropout...like Bill Gates...or political figures...like Senators, Congressmen or even the President or Vice President...I also think that million/billionairess Martha Stewart may have a criminal past of fleecing people...but made millions while she was in jail...and she was still 'counted as gold'... let's just call her the 'shopping goddess' and no...you do not need new sheets and towels EVERY 3-6 months or every year.... It all depends upon your prospective...All of them have been held up as gods...none of them are...but there is probably not one of you who would not gladly work for Gates, your local Senator, or the shopping goddess... what does that make you??? Ok...for the smart alecs out there... Employed...yes..that would be your answer...  If this is a warning...to all... to be 'careful'...that's one thing...if it is a form of gossip...that's another... If it is an outgrowth of covetness, jealousy or envy...c'mon...get a grip... Use the energy to help others in your sphere of life.... oh...I forgot..,.the internet would be such.... but using the words spoken by Marcus Garavey and the crew...years ago...we should work to get others into the Kingdom 'by any means'...but...by any means that is approved by God... that's why you need to study..... and get our faith into action... because 'faith without works is dead'... Remain blessed.. | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
Open to me the gates of righteousness; I will go through them, And I will praise the Lord. This is the gate of the Lord, Through which the righteous shall enter. I will praise You, For You have answered me, And have become my salvation. The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord's doing; It is marvelous in our eyes. This is the day the Lord has made; We will rejoice and be glad in it. Save now, I pray, O Lord; O Lord, I pray, send now prosperity. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! We have blessed you from the house of the Lord. God is the Lord, And He has given us light; Bind the sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar. You are my God, and I will praise You; You are my God, I will exalt You. Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good! For His mercy endures forever. Psalm 118:19 – 29 Good morning everyone. I pray that as you read this, all is blessed. I would like to make a few comments on some of the things that have been said during this spiritual discussion: IAmLives: 1. I agree with you regarding her wedding day. She boldly and passionately spoke about how much money she spent not only on the wedding but for the rings her and her husband now wear. She paid for everything with the money that God’s people gave to her for the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I personally do not agree with spending that much money on a wedding. Nevertheless, she will be held accountable for her actions. 2. She has repeatedly stated that she is anointed. The anointing does not need man to constantly acknowledge its presence. It will do so on its own through miraculous healing, deliverance of souls and blessings/favor to those who receive it. GSRH 1. On October 26th, I posted comments and suggested that everyone go to her website. I wanted people to see for themselves what she promotes – herself and her husband. I did not see a link for words of encouragement or for just her delivering God’s Word. What I did see was that if you wanted to get some deliverance, redemption or any spiritual guidance from her, YOU HAD TO PAY FOR IT! 2. Let us all remember that church and state are governed in a different manner. The only way the courts will get involved with an issue that concerns the church, is if it directly affects the state. My Bishop (Bishop Noel Jones) has a friend who was the senior pastor of a very large church. This man was recently convicted of tax evasion. I am not aware of the Pastor’s name, but he was found guilty of taking $1,000 per week for approximately 10 years from the church. As I said earlier, he was convicted of tax evasion (and if I am not mistaken perjury), not embezzlement. He lied about taking the money, there were several witnesses all of whom were Christians (Trustees and Deacons), and he vehemently declared his innocence. "Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, 'In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.” Malachi 3:8. This man habitually stole right out of God’s pocket to the tune of over $500,000, and did not believe he had done anything wrong. As far as the courts are concerned, Sister Bynum is not doing anything illegal, so let’s stop talking about Appellate Court and Court of Appeals. SeekerofHim 1. Again, let’s keep this discussion within the realms of the church, for the Courts are not going to involve themselves In this issue because it does not concern him 2. Bill Gates, other political figures have received honorary doctorates. However, Bill Gates does not go by Dr. William Gates. Yes, he has been given a doctorate, but he knows it does not mean he is a doctor, nor can he us doctor in his name. It’s honorary not earned 3. Martha Stewart was not found guilty of fleecing people. What she was found guilty of was insider trading and fraud. She knew that a stock that she owned was about to take a huge loss in revenue, so she illegally sold her shares. Her actions had no affect on Americans, but did have an affect on America. Therefore, she was charged and convicted of fraud and insider trading. She did not make millions, her company continued to make millions. Because of the crime she committed, she could not make any financial decisions as far as her company was involved. | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
Umm... as far as each item is concerned... martha stewart was convicted or defrauding her investors...who are people...so yes, she 'fleeced' her flock... that is what insider trading is about..trying to evade the circumstances and perils that people who have 'followed' you will fall into...its a trap...and such is policed by the courts..otherwise...it would NOT be 'illegal'...but that is the purpose of the securities exchange commission...to keep the wealthy from fleecing the non-wealthy...too much...basically, they want everyone to have an even chance...in trading... and some are not 'more even' than others...and looking at this in reality...if her company made millions...so did she..here..reality must set in....so, again...all of the persons..even those affiliated with noel jones are accountable to the courts of this land...as long as they live in this country...that cannot be avoided...though some attempt to evade such...because...being convicted of tax evasion and/or perjury...has yet to be considered a 'crime' without the inclusion of the courts...and those who enforce the laws of the land... and.. if you really look at the structure of the court system...and our system of government, it was constructed similar to the church... and/or the Kingdom of God... everything revolves around it... if not.. try to get gas in your car...without paying the tax imposed...or buy even a hamburger...or get your nails 'did'... everyone affiliated with the transactions are accountable...and tend to deal with the people with an eye on the repercussions (sp?)... or penalties...associated with..not doing your nails correctly...they would be civilly and/or criminally liable...what if you got your nails done and found out that the utensils used...were not sterilized correctly...heaven forbid...but the same 'courts' could step in to protect you!!.. or if the hamburger from whatever place...even in your own home...had lil mousy feet...you could take the item back...get it analyzed by the ftc (which is a quasi-judicial entity)...and get again, civil and/or criminal penalties assessed to the seller, producer of such item...and... lets say that the gas that you purchased was not 87, 89, 93 or 94% gasoline...but rubbing alcohol....as a substitute...i dont think that your car would be usable...but within the courts...it is actionable... In the u.s. we dont live in a vacuum...and people ought not fear the court system...always... there are other purposes for it...to protect... yes... but to free also...( mind you..I did not write to save) ...any adoptive parent and child has to go through such...and...to them...God instituted the courts to allow them to have a better life...there are times, however, where non-pure motives and questionable judgments are handed down... and such can become precedent... but minimizing or trivializing the affect of the courts...will not make them go away... if any person holds themselves out as a minister...and...evades taxes...then they are a thief..you know..the thou shalt not steal type...not giving to caesar what belonged to caesar... if any person defrauds, lies, absconds with another's money...lets see...they bore false witness...they lied...perjured themselves...unless their word is NOT supposed to be their bond...and lying under oath...well...the promise before God...stands!! If someone wants to hold themselves out as a Dr. whether it is earned or not... it will be seen what will occur...a LOT of people accumulate things that they do not know how to handle... an EARNED doctorate...whether it is for medicine, law, or whatever...shows the accomplishments of the person...what the university that presents an honorary degree is basically saying is that the recipient...has shown themselves worthy...there is a whole speech that accompanies it...they are granted 'all the rights and priviledges' of the degree... for me, and i can only speak for myself,...too many people are passed over who actually do the work... and..concerning the wedding... that's her business... the irritation factor comes with the extreme flaunting of such...who cares?? there's no need to plan on how else the money could have been spent... wasnt that what judas' problem was??? regardless...this has been fun... remain blessed... | ||
| belovedone (belovedone) New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 209.78.197.4 |
Regarding Martha Stewart – it was not stock in her own company, but stock that she purchased not regarding her company that she was convicted for. Therefore, she did not fleece anyone; she attempted to elude a huge financial loss of her own personal money. That along with perjury is what her conviction stemmed from. As far a gas for my car, Texaco, Shell, Mobile, 76 and other gasoline conglomerates are sanctioned by the government. They pay, to the United States government, a tax on oil and gas, which they in turn receive back from consumers. As a result, we are not being taxed on anything that has not already been government approved for taxation. Here in California, businesses can charge a tax on any and all items excluding non-processed food. I am not against the court system at all. I believe that the courts are efficient 75% of the time. My point was that the courts do not generally get involved with a suit regarding the church, and vigorously seek a conviction, unless the government, which employs it, is directly affected by the crime. I also was not implying that because he was a friend of my Bishop’s that he was above the law. Even Bishop Jones agreed that what he did was wrong and that he deserved to be punished for stealing from the church. However, the punishment he received had nothing to do with the church, but had everything to do with tax evasion and perjury Also, for the record, honorary degrees do not grant the honoree with "all the rights and privileges" of an earned doctorate. If that were the case, there would be very strict regulations as to how you would obtain one (i.e. attend college and earn it.) Also, persons who have earned their doctorate do not acknowledge individuals with honorary doctorates as their intellectual equal. | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
ummm.... it is still...insider trading.... and as everyone knows...advertising...whether it is good or bad...makes $$$$ ....litigation stemming from sec-regulated businesses...are generally 'settled' or a stipulation can be entered into for certain items... the amount of information that the 'public' receives via the media is generally a fraction of the actual items/charges... and...they are granted rights and priviledges...hmmm... i guess the persons at cornell and st. john's universities... were not aware of the new rule courts do get involved with suits for or against a churches....also declaratory actions... many items may be settled after suit is commenced/filed ...but they...courts do regulate them...statewide and with their 501(c)(3) and similar designations...this goes for denominational and non-denominational churches... and..no one said... i dont think, that taxes on items were not government sanctioned... what i wrote was concerning an attempt to evade such... regardless...still have a nice evening... it is still fun... | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
getting back to the subject at hand... persons are concerned because the focus of the ministry of Juanita Bynum-Weeks has changed... and.. with such... there is a perception that her focus is more towards earthly as opposed to heavenly items... it's a valid concern...for this and other persons in the ministry...but it is also relevant to persons who do not deem themselves as being in 'a ministry'... in the Bible...I believe that it was Paul who suggested that people remain single...with this...you can easily focus on God...and the only person that you are accountable to is God...once a person is married...a lot of things change...their focus in life changes...their focus shifts to their spouse (their other self) and along with that comes ....the in-laws ... for any married person...at least those who may have bitter/angry/and/or disapproving in-laws... your internal persona is affected... regrettably, when you see ministries change for the worse...the proper thing to do...actually is to pray for the person...and the persons affected and effected by them... it still is fun... remain blessed | ||
| gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 109 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.209.64.2 |
It is nice to see that someone paid attention in their business law and litigation classes. I don't believe that any of us came here to discuss torts/decisions/case law. The questioning of Juanita Bynum's ministry has been under major scrutiny for a while. This is not an epiphany. We also did not come here to convey euphemisms and circumlocutions. Also, for the record, the referrals to the Court of Appeals and Appellate Court had absolutely nothing to with Juanita Bynum committing illegal acts. They were a matter of reference. You can learn more about them in a general/basic law class. I had enough of these discussions in law school and round table discussions. I personally feel that 501 (c)(3) should be taken away from religious institutions. They should be held accountable for every dime. But that's neither here nor there. They should be held accountable for their actions. Noel Jones' followers are not above the law. There are going to be more ministries and ministers indicted and convicted in the near future. When you see ministries change for the worse...you are supposed to confront them. Just maybe they see nothing wrong with the behavior. The 'yes men' around them will not dare to tell the truth. Are we supposed to sit back and allow this to continue? I think not. | ||
| seekerofhim (seekerofhim) New member Username: seekerofhim Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.147.204 |
the key is to confront 'them'... you are correct..that's my point | ||
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