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     luvliberty (luvliberty) New member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 68.91.8.146 |
I have been away from the group for about 6 years and have been moving on with my life but I have a sister that is a "missionary" and a brother who is now a ministerial servant- they of course are not allowed to communicate with me but I just wondered if the witnesses are still up to the same ol... same ol... | ||
| marvi (marvi) New member Username: marvi Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 198.189.252.129 |
I am a witness, i got baptized when i was twelve, i got disfellowdship at fifteen, i got pregnant i came back a year later after a lot of thinking i know this is the truth and even if its strict you learn to get along and appreciate that they only want what is best. I dont think i've been brainwashed, we all have a mind of our own and are able to think on our own even if we grew up in it, god would never take that away from us, none the less if we want to serve him i think he'd rather know that it's because we want to than because he makes us.if anyone wants to e-mail me : marvi_dip@yahoo.com | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Junior Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 35 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
Marvi, If you are a true JW then you should know that the elders would not approve of you having contact with any of us on this site and for what reason would you want any of us to email you. just curious. | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.224 |
yeah, what marilyn said! | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Junior Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 38 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
Luvliberty, I think Marvi is gone! | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 129 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.229 |
I think so too- Marvi must have realized that online chatting is a no no for those in the org- Ive no idea why the e-mail was put on that post | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Junior Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 48 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
I think maybe Marvi is young & not sure that she is on the right path, I know what that feels like. Maybe she is still searching, that would explain why she was on this site in the first place. | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 135 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.253 |
aaah- to be that naive again- the age of innocence- most of us who have been there, and done that with the witnesses will never see that naivety again- | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 58 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
Naive, no need to say more, that says it all. | ||
| curious1 (curious1) Member Username: curious1 Post Number: 57 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.185.109.254 |
What's new with the JW's? That's the daily 64,000 question. Their theology has changed so many times so fast over the past hundred years that their own members are so mixed up they don't even know what they believe. | ||
| adonijah (adonijah) New member Username: adonijah Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.60.80.20 |
Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 9:41 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's new with the JW's? That's the daily 64,000 question. Their theology has changed so many times so fast over the past hundred years that their own members are so mixed up they don't even know what they believe. I'm curious, curious1, what religion are you a part of? | ||
| curious1 (curious1) Member Username: curious1 Post Number: 71 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.185.109.254 |
quote adonijah: "I'm curious, curious1, what religion are you a part of?: um, well, to be quite honest about it, I don't feel a part of any religion; to do so would (to borrow an aphorism) be against my religious beliefs. You see, religion is the search for God; I have no need for such searches as I already enjoy a living relationship with The living God. | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 151 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.254 |
I kind of think of religion as a "business" and far separate from spirituality- for many though religion does seem to fill an empty space in their lives so in the case where the person needs it in their life it is a good thing however there are some of us who no longer wish to do the "group thing" anymore- I am sure at least some of you know what I am talking about- as far as what is new with JWs I agree it is an evolving answer and could change tomorrow | ||
| marvi (marvi) New member Username: marvi Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 198.189.251.244 |
honestly i was just curious to see what others think about JWs'. Recently my elders didnt approve of me having contact with any one else in the congregation so i got df'd | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 154 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.136 |
Marvi, I am just wondering why you were so down on the other guy on the other thread- it seems from your comments that JWs fill some need for you- there must be some pay off for you to want to continue with them and if such is the case we are all glad for you but don't be surprised when there are people in the world who feel that JWs are not the answer, or even a step further, may think JWs have brought pain into their lives that would not be there if not for JWs- I lived the life, I never got df'd or reproved, pioneered for 7 years, had parts in the assemblies but I still feel for those who have come before a group of men who have sat in judgement of them and practically decided that these persons will not inherit the kingdom and are not worthy of Jesus sacrifice!personally , I think that the Bible should reign supreme when it says that God is the judge- we'd love to welcome your thoughts to the post and of course you can post whatever you wish, but be assured that people here are not just voicing an opinion to make themselves feel better or any such thing-we are simply like you- seeing what others think of JWs- | ||
| adonijah (adonijah) New member Username: adonijah Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.60.80.254 |
Marvi, I am just wondering why you were so down on the other guy on the other thread- it seems from your comments that JWs fill some need for you- there must be some pay off for you to want to continue with them and if such is the case we are all glad for you but don't be surprised when there are people in the world who feel that JWs are not the answer, or even a step further, may think JWs have brought pain into their lives that would not be there if not for JWs- I lived the life, I never got df'd or reproved, pioneered for 7 years, had parts in the assemblies but I still feel for those who have come before a group of men who have sat in judgement of them and practically decided that these persons will not inherit the kingdom and are not worthy of Jesus sacrifice!personally , I think that the Bible should reign supreme when it says that God is the judge- we'd love to welcome your thoughts to the post and of course you can post whatever you wish, but be assured that people here are not just voicing an opinion to make themselves feel better or any such thing-we are simply like you- seeing what others think of JWs- Agreed, however there are worse things that religion has done in the name of God (The various Crusades, The inquisitions, The Reformation, Pope Pius signing Adolf Hitler's Concordant for peace between the Vatican and National Socialist party,Chuck Smith of the Calvery Chapel,in his book "The End Times" that the end of the world was first 1981 and now is 2006). | ||
| adonijah (adonijah) New member Username: adonijah Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.60.80.254 |
still feel for those who have come before a group of men who have sat in judgement of them and practically decided that these persons will not inherit the kingdom and are not worthy of Jesus sacrifice!personally , I think that the Bible should reign supreme when it says that God is the judge- Nicely stated luvliberty, but: 1).To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed: 2).Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; 3).not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 4).And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away. 1 Peter 5 (New International Version). Obviously, if any elder abuses there authority, to whom do they answer to ?, also, if your in council with these elder, chances are, you did something to be put in that situation. But I wasn't there, you were.So I researve judgement to my own condition.I can't see that straw in you eye 'cause I have a 4X4 rafter in mine... Howver, shall we execept what is good from Jehovah, and not what is bad. Accepting responsibilty for ones actions takes humilty. | ||
| adonijah (adonijah) New member Username: adonijah Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.60.80.38 |
um, well, to be quite honest about it, I don't feel a part of any religion; to do so would (to borrow an aphorism) be against my religious beliefs. You see, religion is the search for God; I have no need for such searches as I already enjoy a living relationship with The living God. May I ask in what form does your relationship with the living God entails, please? | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 157 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.177 |
Adonijah, are you an elder? If so shouldn't you be out shepherding the flock? it's not that I don't appreciate the banter because I do but I am just wondering how you have time to post here and also if you are in good standing in the cong. how do you rationalize it? you are not counting this as service time i hope? As far as my experiences with elders it was not because of action on my part- most of the time they were asking me to be a "tattle" on others- the rest of my experience is due to the fact that i was married to an elder and my father was an elder.I witnessed some behind the scenes activities and statements made by elders in the council rooms that was very inapropriate- however, if you are happy with the JWs far be it from me to try to change your opinion- as i stated in other posts on the same topic, no-one can convince someone to leave the JWs unless they have aquired doubts on their own- you don't seem to have any doubts of its benefit in your life so... what more can be said? | ||
| adonijah (adonijah) New member Username: adonijah Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.60.80.254 |
I'm flattered that you think that I'm not an elder. However, I'm not trying to convince you to stay a JW but to be honest to yourself. I do not doubt that you were a "witness" to inapropriate activities, what did you expect from imperfect humans, as for as tattling on others, the choice was yours to do so or not.I'm not trying to be judgemental, but, and I know this may sound like hogwash, I care about you deeply, because you stopped serving JEHOVAH does not mean that I should stop loving you. I'm sorry that those elders stumbled you, I really am, but they will be taken care of by JEHOVAH. He will clean house, if he hasn't already (believe me, I've seen it happen). But in the end it's a matter of choice. I lovingly suggest you re examin yours, after all when you got babtized, did'nt you do so for JEHOVAH and not for some mortal man? Also the fact that you are not a part of other religious organization indicates that you recognize the truth when you see it. What happened to make you bitter, please leave in JEHOVAH's hand in JESUS' name.I think that this will be it for me, I wish I could make those who stumbled you pay, but I leave this in JEHOVAH'S and his son Jesus's hand (whom he gave all judgement to),luvliberty, pray for me will you and receive my love (agape) for you sister... PAX VERBISCUM. | ||
| jesus_witness (jesus_witness) New member Username: jesus_witness Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 207.70.152.126 |
Hi I am not a JW but have been curious about the religion for a long time. I am a Christian and have often thought people may have been to harsh on the JW's. But honestly, I don't know much about them. Would someone tell me about this panel of men who sit in judgement on someone and say that someone cannot inherit the kingdom? I don't think that is biblical, but again, I don't know much about that religion. I am just a curious person, but not looking for to become a JW just wanting to know what's up with them. Thanks for any help anyone may be willing to give me on the subject. I don't have the net at home so I will give my email and maybe someone would be willing to share with me. Thanks!!} | ||
| jesus_witness (jesus_witness) New member Username: jesus_witness Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 207.70.152.126 |
My email is starcjesus@icqmail.com | ||
| dannyhaszard (dannyhaszard) New member Username: dannyhaszard Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.33.148.102 |
What's New? Verdict Watch at Court TV live Just slammed JW's for DFing Michael Jackson. MJ has been seen at the Kingdom Hall in recent days. --------- What the media needs to discuss is what turned Michael Jackson into the freakish 'wacko Jacko' in the first place. I have been following MJ's bio since his baptism in the 1970's as a Jehovah's Witness.MJ and I are the same age and I can identify with the disastrously dysfunctional oppressive fundamentalist 'freak' upbringing of Jehovah's Witnesses children. Like MJ I had a wonderful life that was ruined by a destructive cult.Is Michael a criminal?Who knows? My Repressed Sex Life in the Jehovah's Witnesses http://www.dannyhaszard.com/colitis.htm#repressed Good read real story If MJ gets convicted of serious charges he may fall on his Jehovah's Witness sword and blame his Watchtower upbringing this will be devestating PR for the Cult. Hello! Anybody out there listening. Danny Haszard Bangor Maine USA | ||
| rumoret (rumoret) New member Username: rumoret Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 69.225.81.88 |
Hi, I am a 48 year old woman who was constantly being educated in the Jehovah Witness doctrine because of one uncle who married into a Jehovah Witness family. My mother felt the need to educate us in this religion...even though she never became one...and none of her children ever did either. Oh...but we still had bible study instructions weekly starting in elementary school. Later in high school we started studing again because the WORLD WAS COMING TO AN END IN 1975....the year I would graduate high school. Well...1975 came and gone....and the world is still here! How many of you around my age felt like they were under achievers during high school or got into a way of life that was destructive due to your life coming to an END by the time you were 18 years old? Well plenty of relatives in my family did not bother even graduating high school. Some friends hurried and got married so they could experience what that felt like. My younger sister got into drugs....what the hell she was going to die when she was 17 years old was she not? My uncle who is still a Jehovah Witness has very strained relationships with 5 of his 7 children due to being made to experience this religious cult their entire life. They are not allowed to speak to 4 of their children.....due to disfellowship......but I think they probably do anyway. I would recommend anyone getting into any new religion to check out their religious history. The Jehovah Witnesses use to go by other names...one being Bible Students. They also preached the END OF THE WORLD many times before....each being wrong! You should read....listen....and then share your information with your new religious friends. See how open they are to the facts that you have discovered. Do they try to SHUT YOU DOWN.....calling everyone who writes this stuff as Evil.... You will be surprise how much many Jehovah Witnesses do not know about the history of their own Church. Many of them will be at different levels of their religious journey....so don't think they will have the info you seek. Education was never a high priority with this religion because the END OF THE WORLD was always coming! You have a lot of angry prior Jehovah Witnesses who were indoctrinated in this religion when they were children and have now gone on to find another religion or spiritual path. Just to inform you should you wonder: I am currently a member of no religion. I have been baptized...and believe in the ALMIGHTY GOD and Jesus as my lord and SAVIOR! | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
luvliberty , are you still out there girl, I miss our chats. | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
dannyhaszard, I'm listening, you have got to be kidding, MJ is running back to jw where he got F**K** up in the first place. That should make some interseting news. Although I think he was a little messed in the head before jw's but they likely finished him off.Personal I have ask myself why would a grown man sleep with someone elses kids. just a thought, it would'nt be happening with my kids! | ||
| sharon (sharon) Intermediate Member Username: sharon Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 142.177.94.39 |
rumoret (rumoret...Nice to see you here, and thank you for your story. It is easy to see the problems from here but I have never been inside and am sorry that you had to learn such a hard lesson. I am glad that your Mother knew that she should send you someplace where you could meet Christ. That was your Father looking out for you, it is not every often that happens that a Mother will send her children and not believe herself. She must have wanted to give you something she did not have. DId she ever come to the Lord? Thank you again for you message. May God Bless You. | ||
| overseas (overseas) Intermediate Member Username: overseas Post Number: 393 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 164.143.244.33 |
Any JW to respond to my question: I am wondering if I can be considered a true JW by (say) accepting and practicing all their spiritual doctrines, theology, eschatology etc. Except not congregating with them, not adhering to Watchtower Organisation, but setting (say) my own JW organisation called (say) 'The Good Men Organisation'. Meaning accepting the JW spiritual doctrines, but not going for the practical rules (tithing etc.). Is that acceptable ? Would that qualify me to be considered a true JW ? For ex. one does not have to live in Tibet or wear yellow robes to be a buddhist, but only to share their belief. | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 165 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 68.91.9.199 |
I am no longer a JW so I may not be qualified to comment... but the JWs require congregating unless physically obstructed (like prison,or bedridden or some other condition) and they base this upon the scripture that says "... not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together..." they consider congregating a demonstration of faith and would never give the OK to stay home to someone who is physicaly able to attend. you would not be considered in good standing if you refuse to congregate or preach publicly. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Intermediate Member Username: godchild Post Number: 473 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.53.181 |
There was nothing stopping Jesus from having his diciples build a church to do his teachings. Where did he teach. On the mountainsides and in people's houses. Even in the synagogue, but most usually not. Did he go where the crowds were? They came to Him. "By their fruits you shall know them." As a christian, I am one of 'them'. People recognise that I am a christian by the Holy Spirit in me, not by anything that I do. Example: I was walking on the beach in Seward, Alaska last month. Christians came up and started conversing with me, knowing intuitively (by the spirit) that I am a christian. I sat waiting for a plane and a christian lady began a conversation with me. She knew (by the spirit) that I am a christian. On a tour boat, a christian man began speaking to me about his mission in Russia the year before. He knew (by the spirit) that I am a christian. There is nothing wrong about meeting together in a building. It is not a commandment! | ||
| overseas (overseas) Intermediate Member Username: overseas Post Number: 394 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 164.143.244.33 |
Well that's my point. Though cults (like JW) claim they convey unique spiritual truths absolutely necessary for people lives, it only comes to giving your money and practically obeying their organisation. They discuss some spiritual topics with you in the beginning, then shift to membership and control. Truely spiritual messages are not accompanied by such constraints. Though I attend an established christian denomination, I would recognise as christians any saved person obeying the Bible, even if in practical details (congregating, worshipping, etc) differs from me. At the same time, I would fight against any so called 'brother' in my denomination that spreads a false doctrine. I am not calling people to my denomination, I call them to consider the Bible and do whatever they decide based on Bible impact on them. I am not saying all they would do this way is fine (cause they may misinterpret Bible), but first rule for me is to give freedom to people. Second is that I pray and hope they will freely choose the good things of God. | ||
| pointlessshrew (pointlessshrew) New member Username: pointlessshrew Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.146.118.217 |
Overseas: According to the Watchtower's "Proclaimers" book (I think it's p652, but I'd have to go pull it out to be certain), to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, one must believe and be completely subject to ALL of the Watchtower's teachings and requirements, period. Anyone else is and apostate or an opposer. adonijah: "Pax verbiscum"??? LOLROF, who are you kidding? You are an elder in the Watchtower and you use phraseology from the Tridentine Mass of the Catholic Church as a signature? You don't even believe that the Word *is* God, so how can you offer another peace *in* Him??? Doctrinally, if we use the Watchtower's current teaching about Jesus Christ as our template, you just offered another person "Peace in the Archangel Michael...." According to the Watchtower, does Jehovah accept this kind of designation (???), because all of my reading of the literature says absolutely *NOT*. Tsk, tsk... What you actually meant to say, I'm sure, was "pax *vobis*cum"--which means "peace be with you", and is in the *plural*. The phrase directed in the singular is a different tense. But that's just another oddity I have learned over the years in dealing Jehovah's Witnesses--they're really great at throwing dead languages around to impress others when, in reality, they know absolutely *nothing* about them... In His Grace, miki | ||
| hannah7 (hannah7) New member Username: hannah7 Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 66.211.136.138 |
Interesting that they are against organized religion when they are just such an Organization. From my experience function more like an organization than a 'church'or should i say assembly. Studied with them for 3 yrs. Saw evidence of brain washing, appalled at the disfellowshipping, and then all those false prophesies...woke me up!!! WHO ARE YOU GOD? He revealed Himself right in the New World Translation especially in Luke Chapter 1 where Elizabeth and Mary greet and Eliz. says: 'How can it be that the mother of my LOrd would greet me!' Now...no good Jewish woman would be saying anything as blasphemis as this unless the Holy Spirit inspired this for all of us searchers to 'see' one day when we really wanted to find out who Jesus really was. (Not just a created son, But God the Son!) Any rousing 'Amens?' or are you all marking where I live and blackballing me. God bless... P.S. The Son sets you FREE indeed!^j^ | ||
| pointlessshrew (pointlessshrew) Junior Member Username: pointlessshrew Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.158.250.234 |
Good for you Hannah! Praised be Jesus Christ, now and forever for delivering you from the lies of the pit before you were ensnared!!!! Oh my, I sound like a script line from a Charles Heston flick... Oh, well. At any rate, what I discovered in my own study of the Watchtower Society is that their own literature is their downfall. They make one claim one day, the next they deny it all. Contradiction begets contradiction, and so on and so forth... Evene Charles Taze Russell admitted that "Light cannot contradict itself" and that "New light adds to and complements the old light." Well, at least he got something right! Anyone who does a thorough study of the Society's literature--whether it's a comparative study betweem the New World Translation and their "version" of Wescott and Hort's Greek Interlinear (the original proves that the WTS can leave nothing alone), or a topical study of old magazines with the new--can discover for themselves that just as GOD cannot lie, the Watchtower Society *cannot* be His "mouthpiece and prophet" for the simple fact that it does lie, constantly. Praise Jesus for your conversion to *His* Truth, Hannah--may our Lord and Saviour use you as an instrument for His glory and the salvation of many, many souls!!! In His Grace, miki | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Intermediate Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
adonijah ,I'm curious, are you an elder? | ||
| pointlessshrew (pointlessshrew) Intermediate Member Username: pointlessshrew Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.168.27.52 |
Marilyn, I actually think I read his original post wrong. He quoted I Peter. The *way* in which he quoted it had me thinking he was speaking in the first person, at that time. When I read the hardcopy I had printed of this thread I realised he did not state he was an elder, but he was quoting the Apostle. I did not edit the post because I do not believe in hiding my errors when I make them. In His Grace, miki | ||
| jlb (jlb) New member Username: jlb Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 216.193.176.53 |
Hi Marilyn, I am new here and trying to respond to your letter saying you were a JW for 10 years and got out, but that they now don't want your adult children to have anything to do with you. I am wondering what is hapening with my grandson. I am not a Johavah ,but about 5 years or so ago my grandson met a girl in High School who was, and got interested in her and started to get involved with "The Hall" He since does not see that girl but has met another girl at "The Hall" and plans to marry her real soon. He is planning his wedding around his Jehovah "family" He is almost excluding his "real family" from activities. He has three real brothers and she has three "real sisters" I have met her but not her family. I understand that they are not Jehovaha's either.But I just found out that none of the family is in the wedding party. He has all Jehovah's. He called me the other day saying that "The Hall" only holds 100 people and he is trying to eliminate some cousins (close to him) (or used to be) from the wedding saying he doesn't have the room. It seems to me that he has taken on these people as his family and (we---the real family) are the outsiders. Is that how they tell them in this ORGANIZATION? It is not bad enough that he no longer can associate with (his family) on said Holidays---the only time we can all get together---Because it is a holiday. Not to mention he can't even tell a person Happy Birthday,which is only commom curtesy, on their birthday. He can't even be thankful on Thanksgiving for being in this USA and able to have the freedom of worship and to thank God for what we have. I just can't understand all this. I would appreciate any comments on this. JLB | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 563 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
the j.w.s make much ado about the eating of blood which they say is concerning blood transfusions, but in the same place it say dont eat blood it also nor the fat. so if they are eating fat???? | ||
| rebel8 (rebel8) Junior Member Username: rebel8 Post Number: 29 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.58.75.167 |
"we---the real family) are the outsiders. Is that how they tell them in this ORGANIZATION?" Yes. That is what they are instructed to do. www.jwinfo.50megs.com | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 198.243.2.253 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote adonijah: "I'm curious, curious1, what religion are you a part of?: CURIOUS1 writes "um, well, to be quite honest about it, I don't feel a part of any religion; to do so would (to borrow an aphorism) be against my religious beliefs. You see, religion is the search for God; I have no need for such searches as I already enjoy a living relationship with The living God". You can say that religion is a search for God. There is another definition for religion. REligion can be defined as a set of rules, procedures or ways man has established to reach out to God. For example, A Muslim has to follow 5 pillars of Faith( 5 times prayer facing East, Pilgrimage to MEcca, Alms,observing the fast for 40 days Ramaddan, Proclaiming ALLAH(=MOON)as God.Muhammed was a self proclaimed "PROPHET". All you have to acknowledge that you are a sinner and seek the Forgiveness from Jesus Christ. Christianity stands out as Not a religion but as a relation with God. In Christianity the center of this faith is Jesus Christ. Without Him, there is no christianity. Jesus Christ was murdered though He was innocent. He rose again. All those who claimed to be Gods are dead. Their tombs are worshipped as a sacred. But, the tomb of JEsus is EMPTY. He is not there. He rose again. He still communicates with people. He gives Joy and Peace to those who follow Him. | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
The fact that there ARE constantly NEW doctrines in the Jehovahs witness paradigm means that this is nothing to do with Christianity. At the end of Revelations, John charged the true church never to add or take away from the words of the Bible. Today I had a visit from 2 JW ladies who shoved some literature in my hands. However although their literature clearly condemns other religions they ran away when I tried to give them a document outlining doctrinal problems in the JW cult. | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1048 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
if they were really christians they would not be forever changeing their doctrine | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 130.253.32.143 |
jesus_witness (jesus_witness): When I was in graduate school, i became very curious about various cults. I was involved in Palmistry, astrology and few demonic activities. My life was devastated. This is the price I paid for my curiosity. There are 66 prophecies concerning the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus christ in the Bible.. Each one of them have been fulfilled. However, the Watch Tower Society "prophesied" that the world was going to come to an end.When nothing happened, they began to change the dates. They did this 3 times. All of them happened to be false. What are we supposed to believe? We have 2 choices: 1) Believe the Bible as the true word of God and follow Jesus Christ. 2) though Jehovah's witnesses gave prophecy that turned out to be "FALSE" we can believe and face God on the judgement day. Jehovah's witnesses have rewritten the Bible. According to them, there is no hell. Jesus Christ is only a man. He is not God. They do not believe in Trinity. Just because of a scripture that says "Life is in the blood", they refuse blood transfusion. They do not serve the military. | ||
| dannyhaszard New member Username: dannyhaszard Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.33.129.26 |
Police looking for accused child molester KESQ, CA - 4 hours ago March 15 2006 ... still children.”. The mother of 2 of McClean’s alleged victims says he Police looking for accused child molester In San Diego, . His name is Frederick McClean. He's 55-years old. Police say that in one case, he molested a girl 100 times, beginning when she was 5 years old and lasting 7 years. “His preferred age of his victim was from 6 or 7 years old to 12 years old. Some of his victims did come forward . . . Some of the victims we have identified are now adults. Some of the victims identified are still children.” McClean is now on the US Marshal's 15 most wanted fugitive list. http://www.kesq.com/global/Story.asp?s=854829 news tips http://www.kesq.com/global/category.asp?c=29382 ABC Television station staff contact (footnote from Danny Haszard-I've been holding a vigil watch over the news wire for 3 years,by comparison this news break is a biggie and what what we need to crack the Watchtower cult's pedophile cover up. Let's seize the moment,no rest for the wicked watchtower!) | ||
| dannyhaszard New member Username: dannyhaszard Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.33.129.26 |
Police looking for accused child molester KESQ, CA - 4 hours ago March 15 2006 ... still children.”. The mother of 2 of McClean’s alleged victims says he Police looking for accused child molester In San Diego, . His name is Frederick McClean. He's 55-years old. Police say that in one case, he molested a girl 100 times, beginning when she was 5 years old and lasting 7 years. “His preferred age of his victim was from 6 or 7 years old to 12 years old. Some of his victims did come forward . . . Some of the victims we have identified are now adults. Some of the victims identified are still children.” McClean is now on the US Marshal's 15 most wanted fugitive list. http://www.kesq.com/global/Story.asp?s=854829 news tips http://www.kesq.com/global/category.asp?c=29382 ABC Television station staff contact (footnote from Danny Haszard-I've been holding a vigil watch over the news wire for 3 years,by comparison this news break is a biggie and what what we need to crack the Watchtower cult's pedophile cover up. Let's seize the moment,no rest for the wicked watchtower!) | ||
| strongapostolic Junior Member Username: strongapostolic Post Number: 48 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 216.93.197.156 |
Wow, I love all my Jehovah Witnesses! Man, I can remember the days the "assembly Halls" Meetings and conferences. I think I still have the Meal tickets that you had to purchase to eat food between the break times at ye ole mega conferences. Ya, Thank God for Deliverance I tell you this! Awesome, I pray for you all and ask that you receive the second baptism you so leave out of your doctrine *smile* | ||
| kcassity New member Username: kcassity Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 71.14.79.2 |
Every religion continually changes it's doctrine! All religions have child molesters. There are parables in the bible,not to be taken literally, i.e.:HELL.Hell was a parable about Lazarus being out favor with GOD.Not a literal place of torment. A truly kind and loving GOD would not create a place of eternal physical and mental torture. The trinity has NEVER made sense to me and I was raised Catholic. Also, Jehovah's Witnesses CAN have friends who are NOT witnesses. My best friend growing up was a witness. We were friends for YEARS and I was never a witness and nothing was EVER said about her being friends with me!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| strongapostle New member Username: strongapostle Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.93.198.222 |
Kcassity, why are you so mad? Don't you know that you don not wrestle against flesh and blood? For voicing your opinion on topics is one thing, but you can not anger anyone to God. Must lay out Faith and Belief wrapped in Love. I love you, like the Lord Loves his Flock. Be at peace Daughter of the Most High God. | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 683 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
Lazarus was not out of favour with God the rich man was and the name Lazarus means High priest this is a priestly teaching saying that there is a division in Heaven, one side is pleasent and paradise-cause God is there-, and one side is not and peopel thirst for truth and to be in the presence of God...but they can't get there. This is not Hell but the two sides of Heaven Hell is the destruction of the soul in the Lake of Fire after the Millenium when God has the Great White Thrown Judgements. to be abseent from the body is to be present with the Lord. There is only one God and Christ was God manifest as man. The trinity is difficult for many to comprehend.... but there is only one God and not three. So, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are all the Same...ONE! but that's still the trinity... no matter who wants to catagorize what in what order and what office. Peace c | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 303 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.93.211.50 |
Today, they do not argue with christians at all.They say they are christians. They have stopped questioning us. When we question tham if they believed in Jesus Christ, they say yes. When you challneg etham that Jeus Christ is not their God, then they try to avoid answering. Finally, they say Jesus is not THE GOD, but, "a" God. | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 304 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.93.211.50 |
Today, they do not argue with christians at all.They say they are christians. They have stopped questioning us. When we question them if they believed in Jesus Christ, they say yes. When you challenge tham that Jeus Christ is not their God, then they try to avoid answering. Finally, they say Jesus is not THE GOD, but, "a" God. | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 305 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.93.211.50 |
Today, they do not argue with christians at all.They say they are christians. They have stopped questioning us. When we question them if they believed in Jesus Christ, they say yes. When you challenge them that Jesus Christ is not their God, then they try to avoid answering.If you insist on thier answer, Finally, they say Jesus is not THE GOD, but, "a" God. This is a Blasphemy. All the cults can be identified by their view of Jesus Christ and trinity. | ||
| bear Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 466 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
Here is what does not make sense: Michael the Archangel...life transformed into Jesus...when Jesus returned to heaven, he became Michael again. Also, the fact that the scriptures, especially, John, refer to the Holy Spirit as "He", "Himself". These are the words of Jesus. You do not refer to an active force with the personal pronoun "He". Was Jeusus confused? Was he mixed up about the nature of the Holy Spirit? To a JW, if something does not make sense to them, well, it must not be. Hmmm... Last, true, the word trinity is not in the bible. The word means "three in unity"; not one entitiy in three roles, but three in perfect unity. The word trinity is a word we use to describe the unity of the three. Remember, JW's, the word "theocratic" is not found in the bible either, yet it is tossed around in meetings as though it appears in black and white. | ||
| luvliberty Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 292 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 192.173.33.48 |
well as far as the trinity is concerned there are some religions who use it in reference to unity, however the cornerstone belief of many religions is that the three are one, and completely equal. However,jesus is heard to be praying to his father on many occasions, was he praying to himself? If they are all equal why is he called the only begotten son? Also, why submit to the fathers will if they are all equal? I am no longer a JW but i still reject the trinity doctrine of the three being one. The answer that it is a mystery does not satisfy my thoughts about the trinity because there is too much to indicate that Jesus and his father, God are separate beings. | ||
| bear Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 469 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
Luvliberty, I believe that Jesus and the Father are seperate beings, in fact, the bible makes this clear. However, the bible is also clear that there is unity. The idea of oneness is not biblical, meaning one being, three manifestations. If you study the scriptures, you find that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are seperate beings, yet each shares a role in the Godhead. When Jesus said "Befeore Moses was, I Am", which the NWT mistranslates as "I have Been", Jesus made himself equal to God. This is why the crowd wanted to kill him. In John 14 and 15 we see clearly that all three are seperate, and that Jesus, while on earth, took the subordinate role. I believe that he still does. Conclusion: Jesus is neither the Father, nor the HS, yet he shares an equality and union with them which really cannot be explained in our age. - Phillipians 2 explains that Jesus voluntarily left his state in heaven when he came to earth. - The only begotten son is in reference to his position, not that he was created. - The verse which states that he was the "firstborn" also has to do with position, and not that he was created. In antiquity, the firstborn son was heir to the throne, with all the rights and privledges. This is used to describe Jesus' position, nothing else. | ||
| luvliberty Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 293 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 192.173.33.48 |
Bear, it is obvious we are not going to convince each other of our convictions- I have studied the Bible and and have concluded that Jesus is not equal to God and never claimed to be...for instance- when the disciples were asking Jesus when would be the hour of the last days-Jesus said that concerning the day or hour -no one knew-only the father. As far as your claim as to the meaning of begotten refering to a position only, well i am not convinced of that at all. For one thing the word begotten is from "begat" which means to father- therefore i am of the belief that when Jesus referred to God as his father he was not using some sort of coded language but rather that it means just what is says- that is that Jesus is the son of the Almighty father. So after years of experience with the JWs i have come to realize that you cannot convince anyone of anything that they do not want to believe so there really is no point in arguing but rather agree to disagree. Personally, when the time comes for God to read our hearts, it is my personal belief that these minor disagreements as to the nature of Jesus, holy spirit and God will not be nearly as important as to how we have lived our lives and what person kind of person we are. | ||
| luvliberty Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 294 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 192.173.33.48 |
Bear, it is obvious we are not going to convince each other of our convictions- I have studied the Bible and and have concluded that Jesus is not equal to God and never claimed to be...for instance- when the disciples were asking Jesus when would be the hour of the last days-Jesus said that concerning the day or hour -no one knew-only the father. As far as your claim as to the meaning of begotten refering to a position only, well i am not convinced of that at all. For one thing the word begotten is from "begat" which means to father- therefore i am of the belief that when Jesus referred to God as his father he was not using some sort of coded language but rather that it means just what is says- that is that Jesus is the son of the Almighty father. So after years of experience with the JWs i have come to realize that you cannot convince anyone of anything that they do not want to believe so there really is no point in arguing but rather agree to disagree. Personally, when the time comes for God to read our hearts, it is my personal belief that these minor disagreements as to the nature of Jesus, holy spirit and God will not be nearly as important as to how we have lived our lives and what person kind of person we are. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2225 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
the jw"s wont take blood transfusions but they will eat fat. the bible says dont eat fat nor blood. what is the difference to them | ||
| bear Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 471 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
Luvliberty, I never gave you some secret code for begat; I was talking about firstborn. I respect your position. I believe that all three are seperate beings. I also believe that while on earth, Jesus took an even lower submisive role according to Phil.2. Equality does not automatically make Jesus aware of everything the Father is going to do. As far the bible never speaking of Jesus being equal with the father, well that is not true. However, equality does not equal being the same person. If you read John 14-17, we see that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirt are seperate, and that Jesus in in submission to the Father. What is you dogma on the Holy Spirit? | ||
| dannyhaszard New member Username: dannyhaszard Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2005 |
Why Jehovah's Witnesses reject blood transfusions. Jehovah's Witnesses have a non negotiable doctrine of their belief system to reject blood products. The origin of this dogma comes from their founding father Joseph Rutherford in the early 20th century.The consumption (eating) of blood was strictly forbidden under old testament law. The Watchtower leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses saw fit to extend this prohibition over to their belief system. They thought that the "end of the world" was coming back then (ca.1940) so there would never be much causality. It is well into the 21st century,with the "end of the world" on hold,the Watchtower leaders have blood on their hands,with the deaths of innocent minor children.How would they account for this body count, if they repealed the 'no blood ban' now? Many children have died since rejecting life saving blood transfusions. Why do they maintain adherence to this archaic creed at all cost? UPDATE:The absurdity of the Watchtower rulings now allow any of the COMPONENTS of blood to be transfused, but not whole blood, and yet people are dying and lives and families are being ruined over a few old men in Brooklyn New York USA who are always changing their minds on this matter. Some educational links provided below: http://www.ajwrb.org/ Jehovah Witness blood policy reform site http://www.towertotruth.net/Article...ransfusions.htm dissident site (Jehovah's Witnesses do use many products that are derived from blood banks so called 'blood fractions' but they themselves won't donate a drop.) [ For latest developments on JW pedophile cover up http://www.silentlambs.org ] | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2500 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
but why do they still eat fat when the bible says not to eat blood or fat? | ||
| marilyn_m Intermediate Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 117 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 142.177.114.83 |
hi jlb (jlb), I have been away from the board for some time now. sorry I did not see your post sooner. If you are still here let me know & I will respond. Hello to you too luvliberity, good to see that your back. Marilyn M | ||
| marilyn_m Intermediate Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 128 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 142.177.105.231 |
luvliberty, I believe as you do on the subject of the trinity. I'd like to add that people who believe in the trinity must not be united in their beliefs because bears says that he believes that Jesus & his father are separate beings, but I know someone who belongs to the pentecostal religion & they believe that God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit are all one in the same. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2607 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.202.118 |
i am pentecostal and i beleive that THE FATHER, AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE SEPERATE BEINGS YET UNITED AS ONE GOD. i know that JESUS had a FATHER FOR HE PRAYED TO HIM AND THEN HE SENT THE HOLY GHOST TO US . ALSO AT THE BAPTISIUM of JESUS THE FATHER SPOKE FROM HEAVEN JESUS WAS IN THE WATER AND THE HOLY GHOST CAME DOWN ON JESUS count one two three. they are one GOD IN UNITY | ||
| bear Advanced Member Username: bear Post Number: 527 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.176.44.177 |
Hello Marilyn, Yes I believe that the trinity consists of three seperate individuals who are one in unity. Those who believe that all three are actually one, do not believe in a trinity, but oneness, which is not biblical. Also, I want to apologize, and ask for you forgiveness, for my argumentative and rude posts several months ago. I have had to let God correct me in many areas of my life, and one of them was in my attitude. |
