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     rebel8 (rebel8) New member Username: rebel8 Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.58.77.213 |
Watchtower prohibition for members participating in military: Reasoning from the Scriptures, pp. 269–76; The Watchtower, April 1 (1990), p. 20; Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock", p. 92. Watchtower Society owns stock in military manufacturing company: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/922330/000106299302000371/form10k.txt Watchtower Society enrolls itself in the United Nations for 10 years: http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf http://home.comcast.net/~sonofcomfort/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-1379249.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,565005,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,574134,00.html | ||
| rebel8 (rebel8) New member Username: rebel8 Post Number: 8 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.58.77.213 |
Watchtower Society encourages members to evaluate teachings for themselves: “We need to scrutinize whatever is presented to us, deciding what to accept and what to reject. However, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking… Test whatever you are reading or watching, to see if it is truthful…”—official WT web site, http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/6/22/article_03.htm Watchtower Society prohibits members from evaluating teachings for themselves: “What else does the Devil use in trying to turn us away? Has he not always tried to stir up rebellion, to cause Jehovah's servants to become critical of those taking the lead?... A person may go further and claim that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses or other responsible brothers interfere with freedom of conscience and the individual's "right" to interpret the Scriptures. But remember Joseph's humble words: "Do not interpretations belong to God?" … And did not Jesus foretell that in these final days an organization of anointed ones, "the faithful and discreet slave,"*would be entrusted with providing spiritual food at the proper time?... Beware of those who try to put forward their own contrary opinions… The evidence is clear that Jehovah has used and is continuing to use his one organization, with "the faithful and discreet slave" taking the lead.. God's own Word unquestionably points to Jehovah's Witnesses as the one organized people that have his blessing!.” -- Watchtower 1986 March 15 pp.15-20 *Note: The Watchtower Society claims IT is the “faithful and discreet slave”. Therefore, the above quote is claiming that people should rely on WT to interpret scripture. “Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses… That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today 'entrusted with all of Jesus' earthly interests,' which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.”-- Watchtower 1986 April 1 pp.30-31 “a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave."-- Watchtower August 1, 2001 p. 14 “Fight Against Independent Thinking As we study the Bible we learn that Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way. And just as in the first century there was only one true Christian organization, so today Jehovah is using only one organization. … Yet there are some who point out that the organization has had to make adjustments before, and so they argue: "This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe." This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous? Such thinking is an evidence of pride.”-- Watchtower 1983 January 15 p.27 | ||
| rebel8 (rebel8) New member Username: rebel8 Post Number: 9 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.58.77.213 |
Watchtower predicts Armageddon to occur in ‘70s: “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold: 'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way towards its finish, if not actually gone! This is why parents who base their lives on God's prophetic Word find it much more practical to direct their young ones into trades that do not require such long periods of additional schooling… True, those who do not understand where we are in the stream of time from God's viewpoint will call this impractical. But which is really practical: preparing yourself for a position in this world that soon will pass away? or working toward surviving this system's end and enjoying eternal life in God's righteous new order?”-- Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 “Soon now six millenniums of his wicked exploiting of mankind as his slaves will end, within the lifetime of the generation that has witnessed world events since the close of the Gentile Times in 1914 till now, according to the prophetic words of Jesus in Matthew 24:34. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind's laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed!”-- Watchtower 1969 October 15 p.623 The Approaching Peace of a Thousand Years “So whatever the date for the end of this system, it is clear that the time left is reduced, with only approximately six years left until the end of 6,000 years of human history… This corroborates the understanding of Jesus' words that the generation alive in 1914 with the outbreak of World War I would not pass away until the end comes. Only a short time, then, remains for persons who love righteousness to show God that they want to be in his "ark" of protection and live to see the blessings of the new system of things.”-- Watchtower 1970 May 1 pp.271-7 A Critical Time “And now, as the critical year of 1975 enters, it may well be asked: Has the Most High God of prophecy made a name for himself? The answer is self-evident, Yes! By whom? Not by Christendom or by Jewry, but by Jehovah's Christian witnesses… And now, as the year 1975 opens up, some thousands of the anointed remnant, still alive on this earth, look ahead to realizing that joyful prospect.”-- Watchtower 1974 December 15 pp.759-66 “millions of people now living will see the "day" of Christ's coming to mete out justice upon this system of things”-- Watchtower 1975 January 1 p.11 “And, uh, does September the fifth, at sundown, mean that we have already been six thousand years into God's Sabbath day? And that now, the time has come for God to make it a *REAL* sabbath day for mankind, by giving them the Millenial kingdom of his son, the "Lord of the Sabbath".”-- Public Address by Bro. Fred W. Franz in early 1975 in Australia (audio available at http://quotes.watchtower.ca) “F. W. Franz, the Society's vice-president, forcefully impressed on the audience the urgency of the Christian preaching work. He stressed that, according to dependable Bible chronology, 6,000 years of human history will end this coming September according to the lunar calendar. This coincides with a time when "the human species [is] about to starve itself to death," as well as its being faced with poisoning by pollution and destruction by nuclear weapons. Franz added: "There's no basis for believing that mankind, faced with what it now faces, can exist for the seventh thousand-year period" under the present system of things.”-- Watchtower 1975 May 1 p.85 “Does this mean that Babylon the Great will go down by 1975? Will Armageddon be over, with Satan bound, by then? 'It could' acknowledged F. W. Franz, the Watch Tower Society's vice-president… Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.” Yearbook 1975 p.256 Watchtower blames individual JWs for believing 1975 would bring Armageddon: “It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year… If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.”-- Watchtower 1976 July 15 p.441 Watchtower criticizes other religions for predicting Armageddon: “So it has become with those who proclaim the end of the world. Down through the centuries since Jesus' day, so many unfulfilled predictions have been made that many no longer take them seriously.” [Article goes on to criticize other religious leaders who claimed the end of the world would come soon: Pope Gregory I, Martin Luther, Anabaptists of the early Sixteenth Century Edwin Sandys (Archbishop of York), William Miller(founder of the Adventist Church).]-- Awake! 1993 March 22 pp.3-4 | ||
| trsrinheaven (trsrinheaven) New member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.175.179.251 |
The JWS is not a Christian religion. Christianity is solely based upon Jesus Christ and the Bible The JWS watchtower society does not accept, believe or honor Jesus as God. Nor do they accept or believe in God in all His three part trinity, Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Bible clearly defines Jesus Christ as God. God as the heavenly Father, God as the son and God as the Holy Spirit. They use the error of an excuse that since Jesus prayed to the Father he isn't God because God would not pray to Himself. God the son prays to the Father.Jesus is our example. Jesus told us to pray and ask the Father IN HIS "JESUS" NAME. Jesus told us to be born from above spiritually (born again John3:3) and be led by the Holy Spirit. "The Holy Spirit will lead us and guide us into all truth, and show us things to come." "For as many as led by the Spirit of God these are the children of God" Romans 8:14 | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Junior Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 43 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.170 |
i am not trying to dispute you but where does the Bible clearly define Jesus as God? post some scriptures for me to look up- I don't care at all for JWs but am curious as to the scriptural basis- | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Junior Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 41 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
luvliberty, maybe he is confused by John;1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word "If Jesus is God ,then what would be the point of John 3;16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. | ||
| luvliberty (luvliberty) Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 131 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 209.183.171.213 |
yes, I see your point- John 1 does read a little differently in some bibles but like you said there are so many passages that indicate Jesus is not God- Like in Genesis when God says "let us make man in our image" who would the us be if God and Jesus are one in the same and also who was Jesus praying to when he said "our father who art in heaven" ... the list goes on. Maryln-m, you seem to know a lot-i know you must have posted it elsewhere but were you a witness? | ||
| marilyn_m (marilyn_m) Junior Member Username: marilyn_m Post Number: 50 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.222.57.138 |
just now read your post where you ask me to disregard your question. I guess you know the answer now. I was & I loved it very very much. I was always happy teaching the Bible to others & I still love to talk about it to people who really want to know . At one time that was a very happy time in my life & I learned alot from the JW's & I'm greatfull for that, but I feel that God removed his spirit from that cong.( they did'nt like it much when I told them that either ) The Jw's were a stepping in life for me & even though I fought to stay at first God revealed to me that it was time to move on. I seen alot of things done to brothers by brothers that broke my heart & my spirit at times. Every time I tried to overlook the lack of holly spirit in our cong. God kept making it very clear to me that I had to get out. | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 307 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.93.211.50 |
Marilyn: It is remarkable."WHOEVER SEEKS THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS FIND IT" Thank God. You found it. My father read the Jehovah's witness Bible. He was in search of peace as an atheist. Everything failed. so, He asked the true God to show Himself if He was real. Oneday, He saw the true God in person. He was not Jehovah, he was not Krishna, he was not buddha, he was not allah. HE WAS JESUS CHRIST WHO REVEALED HIMSELF ON THE CROSS BLEEDING ALLOVER FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD. This event transformed his life. This is exactly what Apostle Paul went through on his way to Damascus. How sad it is to see millions of Blind, Naive and Gullible JW's who have no desire to find the truth. If only they will find out the truth, they will not stay with JW's even for a day. | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.93.211.50 |
Evelyn,unable to send you e-mail. ,God still loves you. I am sure you read your Bible diligently. In the old testament (Isaiah 53), Psalms and other books, there are 66 predictions. They all predict the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. All these predictions have been fulfilled in the New Testament. Jesus is God Himself who came in the flesh as asacrifice for your and my sins. After He ressurrected, He left the Comforter, the Holy spirit to convict us of our sins,and live aHoly life pleasing to God. If you read the bible as awhole, you will find that God was and has been and will be. Then, He came as a man as a sacrifice for our sins. After resurrection, He went back to His Father. He has allowed the Holy Spirit to minister to us. Unfortunately, the Jehovah's Witnesses chose not to believe this. We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father; through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became truly human. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son], who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one holy christian apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. Finally, which predictions will your friend believe? 100 % fulfillment in the Bible or 100% failure of the predictions of Watchtower Society? This universal prayer explains everything. elisa_emtg@hotmail.com . (boy friend going to JW | ||
| luvliberty Intermediate Member Username: luvliberty Post Number: 291 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 192.173.33.28 |
well , inkorrect... the fact is Jws do believe in jesus and do believe he is the only way to salvation... if they were so bold as to deny jesus especially in the US, would not have such a following... however you have a point about the predictions... which of any have ever come true? and also they tend to interpret the bible prophecy to fit events in world scene after the fact... | ||
| crawly Junior Member Username: crawly Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.253.184 |
it may seem like jehovah's witnesses are promoting jesus and his kingdom, but what the jw leadership are actually doing is promoting themselves as god's only appointed leadership based on some numerology that they dreamed up. quote from the watchtower; "jehovah god has provided his visible organization.. unless we are in touch with this channel of communicatin that god is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much bible reading we do"...watchtower december 1 1981. notice that they claim that jesus will not help you along the road to everlasting life by you reading the bible....... instead, you must let the gov body of jws mediate for you in place of jesus. this is a cult tactic that many cults have used. they set themselves up to mediate between you and christ with a fake false prophet organization that you must obey as god. | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 208.54.15.129 |
LUVLIBERTY: I have talked to many of them. Till last year, they have been denying the Divinity of Jesus. However, they have changed their tactics today. They still do not believe that Jesus is Gode. They still believe that Jesu in only a man.But, to their critics, they say they believe. Do not believe them. They are like Chameleons. They are truly the wolves in sheep clothing. Beware of their tactics. | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 271 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Craw and In: Duh! | ||
| crawly Intermediate Member Username: crawly Post Number: 125 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.81.58 |
praetorian says he is a disfellowshipped jehovah's witness who loves to promote the gov body of jehovah's witnesses....... he loves them so much that he continually posts their stuff, over and over, ..... as soon as a question is asked. that is what he is. he sorta doesn't care that they self-appointed themselves with demonic numerology. he doesn't think that is anyting to worry about. |
