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no_no
New member
Username: no_no
Post Number: 9
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 72.130.100.144
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 - 4:24 pm: | 
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HopeFaithLove:
First, you as a person and your posts do not minster those 3 important life strengthening things, in case you haven't noticed. It is a beautiful scripture foundation and you are using it to make yourself sound more beautiful and more close to God than you are in real living and thinking.
Your accusations in the other posts, are mentally ill and spiritually wicked. I am not Jezebel and you say that in your conclusion to me, because it is a projected reality about you. Each sentence in your last paragraph is something you should read and speak to yourself as it assuredly applies to you wholly. You are blind and you are a hater.
You are not "here" to judge me and to figure out why I am posting or what my real intentions are. Do you read the Book of Romans? God has never spoken to you about me. You are most assuredly focusing other's attention on the supposed faults to keep yourself from seeing your own evil ways.
My posts don't support you in any way. It is not an absence of peace to contradict an abuser or a liar. You attacked and accused me and called me all kinds of names from Jezebel to a false prophet. That is because those things are true of you. You just copy the vocabulary and the styling of other writers to gain a small sense of empowerment and it is sad and manipulative.
I haven't sown any seeds against Carman. You sow seeds against others freely and that is why I doubt that your salvation is genuine. You are religious that is undoubtable, but saved with the fruit of the Spirit of Christ, doubtable.
God is not speaking to you. It is clearly evident by your fruit, lack of love and violent arrogance. This is your only stage in life isn't it. It is the epitomy of self aggrandizing spiritually to place your voice in the role of God's. You do not wound to heal or confront to help and you center the outcome of your efforts to garner attention and focus on yourself and that is not christian. Paul said, It is not I that lives, but He who lives in me. He taught to die to self and to put others first.
I think that one of the only ways to "be at peace with you", is to not involve oneself with you.
"Your sense of peace", is based in believing you are called by God to write here, that you are an authority over others and that one must have your vision of Carman to be right with God. There is no peace in my walk and my understanding of Jesus in those three foundations.
Stop accusing others madame. Focus on your own faults and the Jezebel witchcraft in your own spirit and false proclamations of being sent by and authoring for God. You are in no way over me or my spiritual counsel and you have no right to condemn and to judge. You are attempting to "sway" others to your ill will and your dictates about Carman. It does not seem possible that he would agree with you in your modality and your vanity. He is a real christian and you are something else.
*Would you please be forthcoming and place the name of your church and
your pastor on the board so that we may contact him and weigh your actions and words under a true authority?
(Message edited by no_no on December 27, 2006) |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 415
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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no no,
I will not ask you to be forthcoming and name your church and your pastor. I would never contact him or her in order to harrass them because of what happens here. This is why you want this information, is it not? This is how those with your spirit operate, through threats and harassing Carman's ministry, his family, his pastors, and anyone who ever worked with him, right down to those who support his ministry!
From what I have discerned by what some with your spirit have written you appreciate pastors who enjoy sharing gossip with you-- gossip especially involving Carman. I discern that none of you would attend a church if it didn't somehow involve Carman. MNP and trusnobey both told how their pastors had shared gossip and hearsay about Carman. I can assure you my pastor would never share anything with you, or anyone else, regarding personal information about me and he would recognize the fruit of those who were asking. For that matter my pastor would never share with you or anyone else any juicy gossip and hearsay he had heard regarding Carman. Nor would he ever share with others the private details of counselling sessions he had with someone in his church as trustnobey's pastor or mentor did.
No no, I do not think that you would like my pastor at all because you would not be able to manipulate him. My pastor is not someone who would ever fawn over Carman. And definitely not while secretly harboring deep-seated hatred for him as have the pastors and parents in ministry of those like you and uncharmed. I discern that this is the ministry goals of those like you to maneuver/link your names/ministries close to well-known pastors to rob the legitimacy of their ministry in order to deceive people into believing you are authentic for the single purpose to use this stolen "authenticity" to focus your slanderous tounges on Carman and be believed! Jesus said by our fruits we would be known, but those like you have found ways to hide your rotteness.
My pastor would never do as Charles did or as uncharmed claims her parents have done. One moment uncharmed is saying that her parents "discerned" I am evil, but when I discern things about them, she then states that it is impossible for me to discern anything about them because I had never met them. If I've never met them, then how could they "discern" anything about me. So once more her deception is revealed.
My pastor is legitimately ordained by God. His compassion is sound and firm. He is very learned in the Bible. I have come to trust that he would never attempt to bypass God or discourage me from obeying God. My pastor knows I am submitted to God, just as he is submitted to God and I value him more and more as a pastor of wisdom and integrity every day. He knows fully everything I am doing and why. He knows if he ever questioned any of this I would pause and listen to him because I trust him and therefore he is very careful in how he advises me. He understands that his role never supercedes God's. More times than not it has been I who have questioned what God was having me to write here and relied on his knowledge to test any and all things-- because this is how God taught me and developed my faith to trust His voice when I was first learning. Therefore he has helped me to understand more fully why God has me to write what He does. My pastor, along with myself and others are thus convinced in the purpose of what God is doing.
(Message edited by hope_faith_and_love on December 28, 2006) |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 661
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.247.159.231
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 8:06 pm: |
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H_F_A_L,
Are you saying that God has sent you to this site on a mission? |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 418
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 9:42 pm: |
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B_E_A_R,
Are you saying God didn't send you to this site on a mission? |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 663
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.247.159.231
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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Interesting how your post mirrors my own. It is either done in jest or being arrogant. To answer you, No, I come here for the interesting conversations.
You have avoided the answer.
You are a hardcore Pentacostal,are you not?
Please answer my questions directly. I have little appreciation for people who find it funny to avoid my questions, or answer them with a question.
You see, I was asking a serious question; I truly wanted to know; I still do.
(Message edited by bear on December 29, 2006) |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 419
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 12:11 am: |
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Bear,
It would seem you have little appreciation for a lot of things. No I was not making a jest, nor was I being arrogant, I was asking a legitimate question of someone I assumed was a Bible believing Christian. Maybe I was wrong to assume this. I'm not familiar with you.
So are you a Christian? If so then please understand that I find the strife stirring of Christians on factnet destroying us. And yes I do believe God has deliberately brought me here-- more than that I will not get into with you because of the example Jesus gave in Luke 22:67.
As for you only coming here for the "interesting conversation" is not the case for me. These threads are heartbreaking for me as a Christian to witness. |
cybermom
Advanced Member
Username: cybermom
Post Number: 603
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 67.186.102.112
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 1:12 am: |
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bear,
Sort of a half answer, huh? I guess you're lucky to get any. Good try, anyway. She's no match for you and she knows it. |
newlife
Intermediate Member
Username: newlife
Post Number: 152
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 67.72.98.83
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 1:42 am: |
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Hi!
Are you looking for a fighting match or something?
Just wondering.... Sounds like it. |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 421
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 1:49 am: |
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cybermom,
I do know I am no "match" to either of you. |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 422
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 1:51 am: |
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newlife,
Just wanted to let you know that this is a battle I got into on another thread so think twice before you enter because you may not like any better what I wrote than they did.... |
newlife
Intermediate Member
Username: newlife
Post Number: 153
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 67.72.98.83
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 1:59 am: |
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Oh, i see. I was'nt aware of another conversation going on.... |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 423
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 2:08 am: |
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Just didn't want you getting caught in the cross fire.... |
lampost
Member
Username: lampost
Post Number: 51
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 164.111.31.37
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 3:11 am: |
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I agree, I also find this heartbreaking. |
kookie77777
Member
Username: kookie77777
Post Number: 64
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 68.0.79.87
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 10:40 am: |
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some people u wish would go away.... if u ignore maybe they will.. this is so ridiculous.. |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 666
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.247.159.231
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 7:52 pm: |
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HFL,
1. Yes I am a Christian. If you would assume from what I posted that I was not, then the Apostle Paul would have offended you greatly. I say this because Paul was very blunt, not a soft pillow kind of guy.
2. Are you aware the the Jews, even in Jesus' day, would not just hear the scriptures taught, but would discuss and debate them? While there may be some weird strife of this site, most of us are here to engage in a stimulating converstation. This conversation, if done correctly, should aide in us having a better understanding of the scriptures.
3. I believe that there are foundational doctrines which are just that, foundational. There is not any change in them. However, the bible is open ended, and thus, it must be interpreted. If we do not understand who the original text was written to, the cultural, historical and sociological aspects, we can never interpret the text correctly. So many of us on this site seek to better understand what we believe, and thus, learn from each other. Sometimes that means realizing that we are wrong.
- Did you also know that the Rabbi's thought of each doctrine as a jem with many different cuts. As you turn the jem, the light hits it, you see things that you never saw before; you understand the jem better. However it is still the same Jem; it is only our understanding of that jem that changes. People who are dogmatic to the point that they will not budge from what they have been taught, really miss out on the glorious treasure if the text.
4. What exaactly has God sent you here to accomplish? |
hope_faith_and_love
Intermediate Member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 425
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.39.65
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 10:24 pm: |
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bear,
I think you missed what I was saying.... I am not here because I want to debate with you or anyone else. Last night cybermom posted to you that she didn't think I was a match for you and that I knew it... and that is true. I take comfort in knowing that I do not have to rely on my own wisdom to match wits with you or anyone else. You have the voice of a "stranger".... and spiritually I know to run....
I'm only here to say what God wants me to say and it will be Him who accomplishes what He desires. |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 669
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.247.159.231
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 11:49 am: |
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HFL You said:
"I take comfort in knowing that I do not have to rely on my own wisdom to match wits with you or anyone else. You have the voice of a "stranger".... and spiritually I know to run...."
1. God created us to use our brains. MY wisdom also comes from God. Your arrogance is shinning.
2. I have the voice of a stranger? What does that mean? LOL!
3. You spiritually know when to run?. Ah...you are so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good.
That is super-spiritual garbage! This site is designed for discussions to take place. You would do better to leave this forum, because you will get offended.
You see, what you say to people is offensive!! NO, it is not the message of Jesus, or God's words flowing through you that is offending people, it is YOUR choice of words; your spiritual arrogance.
YOU HAVE AVOIDED THE ANSWER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For the THIRD TIME I ask you, what is your mission; what has God Sent you here to accomplish |
newlife
Intermediate Member
Username: newlife
Post Number: 154
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 67.72.98.82
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 4:35 pm: |
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Bear!
Your first question to Hope_Faith_Love was....Are you saying that God has sent you to this site on a mission?
I believe she answered your question in her post #419. She said, "And yes i do believe God has deliberately sent me here--
Your second question was entirely different in your post #666. You said...What exaactly has God sent you here to accomplish?
I believe you can find the answer to that question also in her post #419. She said, .....more than that i will not get into with you because of the example that Jesus gave us in Luke 22:67.
And then she answers your second question again in her post #425. She says...I'm only here to say what God wants me to say....
Now here you are asking again in your post #669. You say...For the THIRD TIME i ask you, what is your mission; what has God Sent you here to accomplish
Bear, you stated that you have little appreciation for people who find it funny to avoid your questions. But i believe Hope_Faith_Love has answered your questions as best she could without completely avoiding you.
So i have to ask you? Are you here for a fight Bear? In your life away from Factnet do you feel you are entitled to demand of people until you get your questions answered the way you want them to be answered? Or are you a respectful person? I think it's the latter!
Your are right about one thing Bear. There is some weird strife on this particular forum.
When you have one person who has posted under around 30 usernames over the course of about 2 years, and pretends to be a different person each time... Well, that's strifeful. Self-promoting don't you think?
And the only vaguely funny thing about that is... this person thinks we are all idiots who don't know the difference. Ha Ha.
Have a good Sunday Bear. |
bear
Advanced Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 670
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.247.159.231
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 6:29 pm: |
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Hello New life,
I was actually looking for more specifics from HFL. However, after a review, I concede; you are correct that my question was answered. Also,I worded my question differently, but it was the same idea.
In my life away from factnet I am respectful, except when cases warrant me to be firm. If I ask someone a question in my job, I expect it answered. So in a way, I would answer your question as both, depending on the situation.
You said:
"When you have one person who has posted under around 30 usernames over the course of about 2 years, and pretends to be a different person each time... Well, that's strifeful. Self-promoting don't you think?
And the only vaguely funny thing about that is... this person thinks we are all idiots who don't know the difference. Ha Ha."
Are you refering to me? I never post under any other name but bear.
All in all, I appreciate your comments, and I wish you well. |
newlife
Intermediate Member
Username: newlife
Post Number: 155
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 67.72.98.82
| | Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 7:05 pm: |
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Bear,
Thank you. You are a reasonable person and i can appreciate that.
No. I was'nt referring to you at all. Only trying to give you an understanding of the history of this forum.
Hope the New Year brings good things for you!
God Bless. |
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