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davidderush (davidderush)
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Username: davidderush
Post Number: 48
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 68.107.121.185
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 2:57 am: | 
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To the sincere of heart:
The Son of God said to rejoice and leap for joy when men say all manner of evil against you falsely.
Based on that alone, we have a wonderfully joyful life in the Twelve Tribes communities. But our joy is founded on far more than that. Our joy, (and the slander we receive), is rooted in the simple fact that we forsake everything to love one another.
All we are doing is surrendering all, for the One who surrendered all for us, in order to love one another just as He loved.
Nothing else will bring about the end of this wicked age; and we are honored and rejoice to bear all manner of insult to bring about our Father's purpose.
It is quite amazing, though, to see that our Master Yahshua's words are totally true; all you have to do to attract all manner of hatred and slander is dare to give all to love one another:
John 15:17 These things I command you, that you love one another.
John 15:18 ¶ “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
John 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said to you, “A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.
John 15:21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.
John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.
John 15:23 He who hates Me hates My Father also.
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A People standing up for the real Gospel, and a Life of real love, is all it takes to earn the hatred of the world and those who love it.
But the sincere, those who desire with all of their hearts to do God's will, and to give all for love and for the Kingdom...the sincere, their hearts LEAP at the very thought that such a People might even exist on the earth.
I know my heart did. It is worth EVERYTHING to me that I have found them.
Here is the Gospel that attracts such hatred: you can read of it at http://www.TheLitmusTest.org
But unlike those who slander us, we have a Life that backs up our words. Unlike with our slanderers, you can come and visit us anytime you like, for as long as you like. You can see the "hard sayings" of Yahshua (Jesus) being lived out daily in the life we live. You can see how we worship, live, and love each other; how we reach out with everything in us to seek and to save that which is lost; you can see the wonderful hearts and character of our Master Yahshua in our single people, in our young people, in our children, in our families and married couples, in our honored grandparents and great-grandparents. You can actually get to know us. When you do, if you have a heart to do God's will, you will find that we are exactly what we claim to be; that is, the very Body of Messiah on earth; where His love is being perfected in unity.
You can visit us for free, at any time, at any of our 40 or so communities around the world in nine different countries. Locations and contact information can be found at:
http://www.twelvetribes.com/whereweare/
More communities are being added constantly.
His commandment is that we love one another, that our joy may be full. It costs everything, and takes a community, to love one another just as He did. It took a common life for Him to love His disciples fully; and it cost Him everything. It is no different for those who would truly follow Him. To the sincere of heart, this rings true. Do not listen to the voices of fear and accusation; listen to your heart, and follow it. His sheep know Him, and hear His voice, and follow Him; and there will be one flock and one Shepherd.
Much grace to the sincere of heart,
David
Anyone who wants to can write to me at davidderush@yahoo.com
I love to give an answer for the hope that lies within me. |
obrotherwherearthou (obrotherwherearthou)
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 206.148.100.138
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 7:16 am: |
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Oh hi david... |
yochanan (yochanan)
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Username: yochanan
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 208.219.222.58
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 9:47 am: |
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Hi David,
Good to have you back again.
I'm curious about your theology of 'God's Satan'.
Is that you, the bad boy of holy (self)righteousness?
Is it using religious cover while rolling over all close relationships in your life?
And your use of the word 'slander' has a certain sense of irony to it.
To quote the Master,"We are obligated by conscience and the Holy Spirit to always tell the truth, but we are not obligated to tell the truth to those who have forfeited their right to know by their obvious evil intentions."
Otherwise, known as the doctrine of optional truth.
We always read you posts with that in mind.
Yochanan |
seebehindthings (seebehindthings)
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Username: seebehindthings
Post Number: 42
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 64.174.183.120
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The Son of God said to rejoice and leap for joy when men say all manner of evil against you falsely.
is true
What if men are saying all manner of truth to you truely? about TT?
(Message edited by seebehindthings on January 24, 2005) |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Post Number: 267
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.183.33.235
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Good Question!
All these things said are in no way directed towards the Son of God but to those white washed tombs who boastfuly sport His words like a flashy new cloak they stole and twist them to their hearts content. |
seebehindthings (seebehindthings)
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Username: seebehindthings
Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 64.174.183.120
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:55 am: |
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David used to be a pastor. He told me that on my 2 day stay. I feel for him. Satan in Elbert has been so crafty - he has seemed to snag some of God's elect. This is a great pain to me. |
doug (doug)
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Username: doug
Post Number: 468
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 141.153.153.178
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 2:19 am: |
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David was posting as David Alexander all over factnet and when I confronted him with the "Execution of Justice" teaching David disappeared and someone named "Yahshua" started preaching like a multiple personality disorder where the personality changes when the person can't deal with the pressure. |
doug (doug)
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Username: doug
Post Number: 469
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 141.153.153.178
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 2:21 am: |
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This is what I've been posting
davidderush who posted above is one and the same as David Alaxander. David, are you trying to confuse people by changing your name so they don't associate you with the Execution of Justice teaching that I followed most of your David Alexander teachings with?
RE: The above post by DAVID ALAXANDER
This is a teaching from the communities Apostle "Yoneq", otherwise known as Eugene Elbert Spriggs, that David Alaxander in his above post is prosletising for under his davidderush name.
For more info see "Twelve Tribes" on this web site.
Execution of Justice
(Letter from Elbert concerning discipline and the seed of Abraham)
The reason Isaac was so willing to let his father sacrifice him was because he had
been raised his whole life knowing that he did not belong to himself, but belonged to his
father, and he was not living for himself, but living for his father. Hephzibah is coming to
understand that she is living for her father and belongs to him. The other day she was
having great difficulty being obedient to his command: not to suck her thumb in bed.
Elbert asked her to stick out her thumb because he was going to cut it off. He took a
huge pair of scissors and came toward her. She was terrified, but (after receiving her
discipline) she willingly stuck out her thumb to be cut off rather than let it cause her to
stumble in her obedience to her father. Elbert didn’t actually cut it off, but he wants
Hephzibah to understand that it is better to have your hand cut off now rather than later.
He wants her to be saved.
It is absolutely necessary to raise our children to know that they do not belong to
themselves, but to their father. How else can they believe that they don’t belong to
themselves except by training them as our Heavenly Father trains us to believe this. We
only “regain our true life” if we lose our false and criminal life. Whoever wants to save
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his life will lose it, and whoever loses it for My sake shall find it. Abraham received back
the promise only after he had killed his only son the only son who could bring about the
promise. Abraham had faith to surrender his only heir. Abraham was tested. He endured
under trial to see whether he would obey (Heb 11:17-19; Gen 22:1; Jms 1:12). Abraham
obeyed by faith for he heard God say, “Abraham, take your son, your only son Isaac,
whom you love, and go sacrifice him.”
The error of “the local church” and many churches is in allowing doctrine to
substitute for obedience. We can do as they say, but not as they do, for they do not truly
discern the Body of Messiah though they have much wonderful doctrine. Without seeing
Gen 18:19, the Body of Messiah doesn’t make sense.
Note: Elbert is not the little girls father but is the apostle of the community. I don't see a close resemblance to his lying to a little girl and teaching the faith that Abraham had in Isaac.
David responded on Dec 21
I don't know anything about the above...but I DO KNOW that the truth that sets men free can be found at www.TheLitmusTest.org
It is for Christians Only. Truth will always be attacked. Those who are wise will not be put off by such things. The fact is, anyone who wants to see the fruit of our lives can visit us at anytime; and see that our children are some of the most wonderful on the whole earth. As the Word says, "wisdom is justified by her children". Sincerely, david
My reply Dec 22
David
I don't know anything about the above…
Are you saying you don't know if Spriggs taught that and if it is one of the communities teachings or you don't know if there is anything wrong with what was alleged in the teaching CD that Jacob took from the community? |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 272
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.183.33.235
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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your beating a dead horse Doug... |
andy_n (andy_n)
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 206.231.10.144
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 4:16 am: |
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This link was brought to my attention, and David Derush, you really should look at it, and tell me if you aren't living proof. http://ankhepiphan.blogspot.com/
Yes, the tribes have a good bunch of the details correct, at least as far as I have researched them thus far, but they lack yet one thing (at least) - Care to take a guess or two (or more)?
Awaiting your reply (though I'm not holding my breath).
(Message edited by andy n on January 25, 2005) |
davidderush (davidderush)
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Username: davidderush
Post Number: 105
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 68.107.121.185
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The Gospel stands on its own; and the life of the Gospel described below is being lived out daily in our communities around the world. Anyone whose heart leaps at such a possibility, is welcome to come and visit us and see for themselves, and join us in laying down our lives daily for one another and for our Master Yahshua!
Sincerely, David Derush http://www.TheLitmusTest.org
Which Gospel is truly unreasonable?
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Jesus was willing to leave everything behind to bring into existence a common life with those who would leave all behind to follow Him. He left behind His home(1), all His possessions, and declared His true family to be those who would “hear the Word of God and do it(2) .” He gave His entire attention on those who responded to His call; discipling them, having one purse(3) , one life, and one way with them.
He called the twelve apostles to leave all and follow Him. Unlike the young ruler, they all did so(4) . He told them that was the cost of eternal life, not just for them, but for everyone(5).
Jesus told the young ruler that in order to have eternal life, he had to be willing to give up all he possessed. The young ruler went away sad, unwilling to trust enough to obey Jesus(6).
The Son of God said that the Kingdom of God was a treasure that had the same price for everyone, rich and poor alike; if you want it, it costs all that you have(7).
Yahshua (His true name, in Hebrew, meaning “Yahweh’s salvation”) told the great multitudes that no one could be His disciple unless he was willing to trust Him and love Him enough to hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, his own life, bear his cross, and forsake all that he has(8).
He made clear that the true Gospel would bring division between those willing to obey Him and those unwilling to obey Him, and that such division would not spare family relationships(9).
Jesus plainly stated that apart from hating one’s own life in this world, no one could possibly keep it unto life eternal(10).
He commanded His disciples not to even try to serve both God and money, or lay up treasure on earth(11).
He commanded His disciples to take no thought for their own food or clothing. He made it clear that “looking out for number one” was acceptable for the people of the Nations; but His disciples were to live for God’s Kingdom, where He would provide for their every need(12).
The Son of God gave a new commandment, a new Way. Instead of looking out for their own selfish interests, His true followers would be known for forsaking their own lives and all they possessed to come into a new life of loving one another in just the same way that He had loved His disciples! This, Jesus plainly said, would be the only way one could know who was truly following Him(13).
He also made clear we have no business calling Him Lord, unless we actually do what He commanded(14). He said unless we do what He commanded, we are wasting our lives building on sand. He promised the Spirit to those who would love Him and trust Him enough to obey Him(15). John, His beloved disciple, goes so far as to say if we claim we know Him, and don’t do what He commands, then we are liars and the truth is not in us(16).
Now this all may seem unreasonable of Jesus; that is, not rational — irrational, showing little sense in demanding things not possible to do. To the natural man these commands are not just, but are excessive, exorbitant, irrational and contrary to reason; senseless demands. Nature provides no environment to live according to such demands, to the point of being absurd, insensible, laughable and ridiculous. Jesus must have been mentally unsound to expect people to obey these utterly illogical dogmas in His teachings, which are directly contrary to reason; that is, unreasonable demands.
Isn’t that how people are taught to view these “hard sayings” of Jesus in their churches?
Actually, to be a successful “minister” in Christianity, one must have the ability to make people believe that they are actually “following Jesus”, or "believing in Jesus", in some mystical way that secures their salvation, completely apart from trusting Him enough to obey any of these plain commands.
But the apostles obeyed them all. They forsook all to enter into a common daily life with the One who forsook all for them. Jesus began a community, and the apostles surrendered themselves to Him in that community because it takes a Community to obey the Gospel; to have a place to love and be loved and bring new disciples into.
After His resurrection, Jesus gave them the commission to “Go therefore and make disciples of all… teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you."(17) They obeyed Him in this, and their proclamation of these same commands that they had themselves obeyed brought into being the “faith once for all delivered to the saints”(18) on the day of Pentecost:
Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need(19).
Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need(20).
By the end of Acts 4, this community of those who all forsook all, numbered 5,000 men, many of who would have been heads of households. They all forsook all for the Kingdom, for the Gospel, for the Community of faith, for the One who forsook all for them.
So did Paul. He went to far as to say that he did so, because it was a necessary act of faith; REQUIRED in order to attain to the “righteousness which is from God, by faith”(21). He also commended the Thessalonians for following the same pattern as the communities in Judea(22).
Forsaking all to enter a common life of love and unity was seen as necessary by the Son of God; it was necessary for the Twelve; it was necessary for the rich young ruler, who rejected the Kingdom; it was necessary for the “great multitudes” in Luke 14:25; it was necessary for the many thousands in the church birthed on Pentecost; it was necessary for Paul; it was necessary for the communities he shepherded. Why is it necessary?
It is necessary because it takes a community to live out the Gospel; to have a place to surrender all to the One who surrendered all for you, in His People; to have a place to “serve Him where He is"(23), to live no longer for yourself, but for Him who died for you and rose again(24). Only in a community where all give all to love one another as He loved His disciples, can one live in the reality of the Sermon on the Mount; taking no thought for one’s own food and clothing. There, all give all to build up the Body into the fullness of Christ; and everyone’s real needs are met through the Body(25). This is where you can fall in the ground and die, and not abide alone, but bear much fruit(26).
If a person is truly willing to do God’s will, their heart yearns to find a way to make the Son of God’s words flesh; not explain them away. Such a person rejoices at finding a place to lay down their life; a place to love and be loved just as He loved His disciples; a place where all the “hard sayings” are actually practiced and made a light burden by the power of the Spirit of love(27). They know such teaching is from God because they are willing to do His will(28). When they find a place where all give all for the One who gave all for them, they know they have found the Kingdom. They eagerly go and sell all that they have to gain the Treasure they have found(29). Unlike the rich young ruler, such people are willing to do God’s will no matter the cost. To find a place and a Way to obey the Son’s commands at the cost of everything is good news to them. For they have found the Gospel, the true Gospel; the one that is actually found in the Gospels, consisting of the very words of the Son of God. To know Him, and obey Him, is Life Eternal(30).
To those not willing to do God’s will, this is all bad news, not good news. Many such people are very religious. As in Jesus day, many of them are religious leaders. They consider all this at best laughable, unreasonable, ridiculous, irrational and foolish; and at worst, they consider it dangerous heresy. Such people will say all manner of evil against us falsely, because they hate the truth that exposes the fact that all they have to offer people is a form of godliness that denies the power. They have a different gospel.
What is this “gospel”? It is all about “jesus”; not the real Son of God, but an imaginary one, who can be your “Lord” without you doing what He commands. Just believe He died for your sins, and you are fine. Your name is written in the book of life! Relax and enjoy life! You don’t have to do anything at all. As a matter of fact, if you allow yourself to feel like you have to do anything, you are being deceived! Someone is trying to trick you into taking away from the “finished work of Christ!” He did it all! For you to imagine God might expect anything from you (other than your 10% tithe)is to be falling into “works righteousness”.
Such a so-called gospel completely ignores and mocks the plain commands of the Son of God.
One of these Gospels makes sense; one doesn’t. One is real; one isn't. The true Gospel leads to abundant and eternal life; the false gospel gives a false hope that will ultimately disappoint. What determines which Gospel you choose to believe is whether or not you have a heart that is truly willing to do God’s will, regardless of the cost. He is no fool, who gives up what he cannot keep, to gain what he can never lose.
It still takes a community to obey the Gospel, to do the will of God, to love and be loved; it takes a community to truly know Yahshua; whose very name means Yahweh’s salvation.
http://www.TheLitmusTest.org
1. Luke 8:19-21
2. Luke 9:57-62
3. John 12:6
4. Mark 10:28
5. Mark 10:29,30
6. Mark 10:17-30
7. Matthew 13:44-46
8. Luke 14:26-33
9. Luke 12:51-53, Matt. 10:37, Luke 14:26
10. Matthew 10:38,39, Luke 14:26, John 12:25
11. Matthew 6:19-24
12. Matthew 6:25-33
13. John 13:34,35
14. Luke 6:46-49
15. John 3:36 ASV, Acts 5:32
16. 1 John 2:3,4
17. Matthew 28:18-20
18. Jude 1:3
19. Acts 2:44,45
20. Acts 4:32-35
21. Philippians 3:7-11
22. 1 Thessalonians 2:14
23. Luke 12:25,26
24. 2 Corinthians 5:14,15
25. Ephesians 4:16
26. John 12:24-26
27. 1 John 5:2,3
28. John 7:17
29. Matt. 13:44-46
30. 1 John 4:21-5:3 |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Posted From: 24.168.65.103
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Mr. Alexander, your wallpapering this forum with someone elses words are proof of your mindlessness. You are under total control. Proof of the DAMAGE of a destructive high control group.
Your inner voice has been silenced!!!!!!!!!!!! |
seebehindthings (seebehindthings)
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Posted From: 64.174.183.120
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I second that. |
doug (doug)
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Posted From: 68.162.26.231
| | Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 10:48 pm: |
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ex-y
I think beating a dead horse helps some people who are wondering not to waste their time. |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Posted From: 24.168.65.103
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Yes Doug. I just think one inerrant teaching is nothing to stand on. The picture is much bigger than that.
And it is said that "The picture is hard to see when your in the frame". We have to show the TT the whole picture... |
doug (doug)
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Posted From: 141.153.225.211
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I know it's bigger but it's a good enough teaching for most who don't know them and I direct them here if they want more. |
yoloextropian (yoloextropian)
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" For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator… (Romans 1:25)"
This Litmus Test doctrine sounds a bit shrill.
The underlying philosophy is however no different than that of the Illiad, or, say,Star Wars, wherein the 'God' is one of conquest.
When I read the below, the question I have is, if this 'God' is so great, why is there a need to rule over the Godless? If I'm full of the Holy Spirit, why would I need dominion over someone who doesn't, for whatever reason, accept my 'God'? Sounds like serious power & control issues to me.
"You don't believe in my God? OK, I'm going to rule you for all eternity!"
"Those who have become His righteousness are His holy people, who will rule together with Messiah eternally over those who did not abandon the natural righteousness of their conscience. For all eternity, God will dwell in His holy ones, who are His temple, and through them He will dwell with men" |
whereto2
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Posted From: 71.167.66.36
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bump... |
sabbathkeeper
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Posted From: 64.24.147.92
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OK I can't ignore! GROW UP!! JERK!  IF you check my posts you can read about where I've been and where I'm NOT ! Why don't you be productive to this forum or leave? Google has tons of forums that you can vent at!! THOMAS P. QUINN |
nabashalam
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Posted From: 75.128.244.102
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Chill out Tom...
Iv'e already contacted the authorities... |
sabbathkeeper
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Posted From: 64.24.147.84
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 I;'m sorry...this guy has ,........... |
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