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     yahshua (yahshua) New member Username: yahshua Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 207.44.154.35 |
I would that you be hot or cold; but because you are lukewarm I will vomit you out of my mouth. Those who say they know me, but do not keep my commands, are liars and the truth is not in them. They misrepresent me, calling me Lord while living for themselves. Only those who utterly surrender themselves to me, as I surrendered myself for them, are truly my servants. Those who claim to serve me, but truly love the world and the praise of men and their own bellies; who say, "Peace, peace", when there is no peace; who convince people that they can trust Me unto salvation, apart from forsaking all and obeying My commands...such people are the worst of devils. They bring people into a double-walled prison, giving them false hope of salvation. Those who knowingly worship the Evil One are more likely to find repentance than many of these so-called "men of God". The True Way of my holy ones, my set-apart People, is the only Way that will crush the evil one and bring an end to his dominion. This whole world is now in his evil lap, except for My communities where my surrendered ones dwell together in love and unity. My true Way that I have established in their midst, can be found at www.TheLitmusTest.org | ||
| doug (doug) Intermediate Member Username: doug Post Number: 254 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 141.153.134.232 |
RE: "YAHSHUA" This is a teaching from the communities Apostle "Yoneq", otherwise known as Eugene Elbert Spriggs, that "YAHSHUA" (and David Alaxander in other places) in his above post is prosletizing for. For more info see "Twelve Tribes" on this web site. Execution of Justice (Letter from Elbert concerning discipline and the seed of Abraham) The reason Isaac was so willing to let his father sacrifice him was because he had been raised his whole life knowing that he did not belong to himself, but belonged to his father, and he was not living for himself, but living for his father. Hephzibah is coming to understand that she is living for her father and belongs to him. The other day she was having great difficulty being obedient to his command: not to suck her thumb in bed. Elbert asked her to stick out her thumb because he was going to cut it off. He took a huge pair of scissors and came toward her. She was terrified, but (after receiving her discipline) she willingly stuck out her thumb to be cut off rather than let it cause her to stumble in her obedience to her father. Elbert didn’t actually cut it off, but he wants Hephzibah to understand that it is better to have your hand cut off now rather than later. He wants her to be saved. It is absolutely necessary to raise our children to know that they do not belong to themselves, but to their father. How else can they believe that they don’t belong to themselves except by training them as our Heavenly Father trains us to believe this. We only “regain our true life” if we lose our false and criminal life. Whoever wants to save Execution of Justice Page 6 1900.00.16-L01.DOC 020612.1326 his life will lose it, and whoever loses it for My sake shall find it. Abraham received back the promise only after he had killed his only son the only son who could bring about the promise. Abraham had faith to surrender his only heir. Abraham was tested. He endured under trial to see whether he would obey (Heb 11:17-19; Gen 22:1; Jms 1:12). Abraham obeyed by faith for he heard God say, “Abraham, take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go sacrifice him.” The error of “the local church” and many churches is in allowing doctrine to substitute for obedience. We can do as they say, but not as they do, for they do not truly discern the Body of Messiah though they have much wonderful doctrine. Without seeing Gen 18:19, the Body of Messiah doesn’t make sense. Note: Elbert is not the little girls father but is the apostle of the community. I don't see a close resemblance to his lying to a little girl and teaching the faith that Abraham had in Isaac. David responded on Dec 21 I don't know anything about the above...but I DO KNOW that the truth that sets men free can be found at www.TheLitmusTest.org It is for Christians Only. Truth will always be attacked. Those who are wise will not be put off by such things. The fact is, anyone who wants to see the fruit of our lives can visit us at anytime; and see that our children are some of the most wonderful on the whole earth. As the Word says, "wisdom is justified by her children". Sincerely, david My reply Dec 22 David I don't know anything about the above… Are you saying you don't know if Sprigs taught that and if it is one of the communities teachings or you don't know if there is anything wrong with what was alleged in the teaching CD that Jacob took from the community? "Yahshua" Was your apostle speaking from the holy spirit when he threatened with a large pair of scissors to cut off the terrified little girls thumb and did lying to her to scare her teach her the faith of Isaac with Abraham? Is that why Isaac trusted his father? Because someone terrified him with a lie? | ||
| overseas (overseas) Intermediate Member Username: overseas Post Number: 109 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 164.143.240.33 |
Quote: I would that you be hot or cold; but because you are lukewarm I will vomit you out of my mouth. Doug, it is interesting that I found a commentary mentioning that there were 2 types of useful water springs in that city mentioned in Revelation, both curing some diseas: cold and hot. Warm was useless. So it may not be hot=good and cold=bad. Do you think this self called Yahshua knows this commentary ? | ||
| doug (doug) Intermediate Member Username: doug Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 151.198.124.109 |
Could be I like luke warm cause sometimes hot or cold hurts my teeth | ||
| ex_yathed (ex_yathed) Intermediate Member Username: ex_yathed Post Number: 193 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.183.33.235 |
BEWARE!!!and be aware! ex_yathed (ex_yathed) Intermediate Member Username: ex_yathed Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.183.33.235 Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 7:12 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just saw on another page of the Religious Cults and Sects page that David Alexander(aka Daveed Derush) is evangelizing (recruiting) all over this web site with links to their newest "Free Papers"(Litmus Test). Its from a computer in Georgia so he is either at their Savannah or Brunswick community. So, if you dont know, the Twelve Tribes are considered a high control destructive fundamentalist group (cult) by countless professionals and Cult experts. | ||
| ex_yathed (ex_yathed) Intermediate Member Username: ex_yathed Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.183.33.235 |
As you can see, David Derush has taken my warnings to all the boards as a chance to recruit for his cult which claims they are the Only Ones and the Only Way and if your not with them, your going to the Lake of Fire for eternity or to the first death to pay for your own sins if you can. They are just like the rest of the cults on the factnet boards. To see both sides of the story go to http://www.twelvetribes-ex.org/ or if you wish, you can contact me personally at exyathed@yahoo.com | ||
| doug (doug) Intermediate Member Username: doug Post Number: 465 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 141.153.153.178 |
How come you never answered my question David Are you saying you don't know if Sprigs taught that and if it is one of the communities teachings or you don't know if there is anything wrong with what was alleged in the teaching CD that Jacob took from the community? | ||
| psalm5613 (psalm5613) New member Username: psalm5613 Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 192.83.111.72 |
“Yes,” Lucifer agreed. “Only through constant exposure to the lies, to the wickedness, to the evil, would the conscience become cauterized to it. It is a deep branding that is necessary to deaden that sensitivity to God, for the touch of God goes deeply into people’s souls: Once the process is achieved, they become free from the nuisance of God and the burdens of guilt. They are free to swim in their wickedness, kicking their feet, splashing and laughing at…well, the very face of God.” Lucifer on the Hardening of the Heart www.interviewwithlucifer.com | ||
| devilsadvocate666 (devilsadvocate666) Member Username: devilsadvocate666 Post Number: 62 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.185.3.203 |
Visited the link, but wasn't able to find much about the story of the book itself. Reminds me of another book, seems to be from a Roman Catholic, given the emphasis on certain Catholic Doctrines, just like this one, but the title was "I, Lucifer". Still, though it was intertainning, I've yet to find any such books not written from a Christian view point. | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 133 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 4.165.239.244 |
Hot= Good Cold= Good Lukewarm= Serving no purpose Hot does not mean "on fire for God" and cold does not mean "spiritually dead". People need to studt a passage before they comment. | ||
| doug (doug) Advanced Member Username: doug Post Number: 972 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.111.187.60 |
Study? It's pretty simple | ||
| ball_of_fluff (ball_of_fluff) Intermediate Member Username: ball_of_fluff Post Number: 378 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.107.60.82 |
Moderation in all things. | ||
| tpfkasof (tpfkasof) Intermediate Member Username: tpfkasof Post Number: 360 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.188.251.126 |
Piffle! GLORIA IN EXTREMIS DEO!  | ||
| sharon (sharon) Intermediate Member Username: sharon Post Number: 284 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 142.177.76.138 |
devilsadvocate666 ..I read that an it was interesting. Wow that was like thirty years ago. I shall have to keep my eye out for it. | ||
| devilsadvocate666 (devilsadvocate666) Intermediate Member Username: devilsadvocate666 Post Number: 130 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.228.12.58 |
Right now, I'm reading the Book, "The Secret History of Lucifer", by Lynn Picknett. Its so far, an interesting read, it traces the charachter of Lucifer back to ancient times, but also makes a clear distinction between the ha Satan, and Lucifer. But the author so far sounds like she has a bias against some of mainstream Christianity, but oh well. I just keep this in mind when I read this. I also found Elaine Pagel's, "The Origins of Satan" to be rather intersting, it traces the origins of the "Prince of Darkness" imgae of Satan, back from the early days of Christianity and Judasim. I lent it to my uncle, and he found it to be rather enjoyable to read. I read that last year, along with the Book, "When Religion Becomes Evil: Five Warning Signs of Unhealthy Religion", by Charles Kimball. It focuses on extremism and fundamentalism that can have a negative impact on religion, such as the lunatics like Osama Bin Laden, and how extremists like Osama hijacked Islam, or how the Crusades is an example of hijacked religion. A really good read, short, (under 300 pages), took me under 2 days to finish it. I have a tendencey to read a bit in the summer when I get the chance. | ||
| sharon (sharon) Intermediate Member Username: sharon Post Number: 294 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 142.177.97.83 |
devilsadvocate666 ...I too am bias against mainstream Christianity. I am often horrified to hear the things done in the name of Christ. It is as if the world has forgotten what it was that he wanted. He lived it and showed us how we were to live. He did not goosestep, or kill little children in the name of the Father, nor preach hate. I think the Childrens Crusade would have to be the worst example of how Christianty was preverted. It breaks my heart just to think of it, and causes anger if I think to long so I try to leave it where it is. But since we have our own Nazi Preacher right here on factnet we have not come very far in our understanding of what Jesus wanted from us. If he did not call himself a Christian I would not be so offended, and sickened. But it almost more evil to call himself such while preaching hate. I do not know if that is the same book as I read, I have read a few on old nasty boots. Know thy enemy, blah blah blah. Bet we read alot of the same books. After I read the Sanatic bible I had some real ripsnorters in the scary department and I blamed it on that but now I see that it was not just because I read a book. Funny the things one thinks and really knows so little. I do not miss those days, and you taught me you can not judge a book by its cover. Heard it lots of time, now I really get it. In the old days the Christians would burn me at the stake for such talk. And I would have to forgive them. How is it a man of peace, who preached only love can cause such hate and horror. I do not understand, maybe someday. | ||
| sharon (sharon) Intermediate Member Username: sharon Post Number: 296 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 142.177.12.59 |
devilsadvocate666..there is a woman on Fallen Angels that says her daughter is believing she is a fallen angel and she needs help. I think you would be a good choice to help her if you would be so kind. | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 166 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 4.161.234.133 |
Doug, Too many people do not understand what the text is actually saying. Jesus is not saying hot is good, and cold is bad. Neither is he saying that he either wants you for him or against him, but not in the middle. That has been a popular teaching, but not accurate. Complete scholarship, using Lower and Higher Critisim, brings the conclusion that hot and cold are good, for they serve a purpose. Lukewarm does not serve any purpose. So no, it is not always that simple for some. | ||
| doug (doug) Senior Member Username: doug Post Number: 1021 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.111.197.172 |
bear, thank you |
