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ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 58
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.236.171.67
| | Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 9:58 pm: | 
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To the Only Ones... This is not a joke. I am completely and utterly serious when I say that I have turned my back on the Messiah and once again I find myself lost and in the world. I allowed my flesh to rule over me and let the evil one draw me away from the fold with accusations and lies.
To sooth my guilty conscience I slandered the only people who truly serve God and not theirselves. I have searched everywhere for a purpose and a place to belong and dont fit in anywhere now that I have heard the truth spoken by the only people who have the authority to speak Gods word.
I have been filled with the lies of men who claim they know the truth about the Twelve Tribes when they themselves are pawns of the evil one and do not realise it. All the truths I heard in the Twelve Tribes keep coming back whenever I read the paper or here men speak of things they have no idea what their talking about and see how completely they are decieved by the spirit of this age.
I fell because I strayed from the covering of my Abba and looked elsewhere for excuses to not suffer with Messiah and have my cake and eat it too. Be carefull how you listen I was told. I found some literature in a cafe I was working at and snatched it up for fear a younger brother might read it and fall and low and behold, I was not strong enough to fight the confusion and enticement that lurked within its pages. I also unlawfully peroused the internet looking for loopholes in salvation and was handed them on a silver platter, just like Johns head.
I know I have been a officer and tactician for the enemy and deserve execution but I am begging for mercy and forgiveness.True Forgiveness and Salvation!I am ashamed for what I have done and long to come back to the only place I know that strives to be a enemy free territory and were Gods people live and love under His protection.
I know this will shock many, but I know where my heart is and I need to get back to it. The Holy Nation of the Preists of the New Isreal is not without flaws or problems but I do not need to accentuate them or add to them.There still remains the restoration of all things and the Spirit of Eliyah. The Father has turned His heart once more in my direction and my heart is now turning back to Him, even though I deserve nothing.I beg for His Mercy!!! You wont be hearing from me again, anywhere on the net, email or the discussion groups. Even if I am not allowed back to the fold I am warding off computers for good.
I encourage all who have heard the Truth to listen to your hearts and re-evaluate your decision to return to your own vomit...
You know who you are and your Abba loves you and misses you. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES!!!
Good Bye...David Pike, Once known as Daveed Yathed |
doug (doug)
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Username: doug
Post Number: 234
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 138.89.124.80
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 12:09 am: |
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Daveed
Community is necessary for most people but I don't believe that Gene Sprigs is equal to Moses and Jesus and that's what I would have to believe the community believes if they claim to be the 12 tribes with one apostle, Gene Sprigs, as head of them all. I think the TT thing is intrigue like believing in evolution as if you were evolving, believing you are becoming something, good like God.
I also think that he's comparing his scisor thing in the "Execution of Justice" to be like teaching the girl the trust of Isaac to be wrong.
The holy spirit renews our minds and doesn't tell us to put our conscience aside. I have to desire the good things but not to take a substitute that tempts me. As much as Abraham loved Ishmael he had to let him go because he mocked Isaac. I think Abraham prayed for Isaac and Yahveh made Ishmael into a great nation with 12 princes. If you don't have Isaac, the covenant of grace, than you're part of Ishmael until Isaac is born in your heart. I doubt that the community is Isaac and to me it would be sin but whatever faith Yahveh gives you you have to live by it. |
oceanopractico (oceanopractico)
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 65.34.253.21
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 11:28 am: |
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You've spoken well David . Vaya Con Dios .
Juan |
smoore (smoore)
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Username: smoore
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 204.145.232.66
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 1:35 pm: |
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yep! the'll buy that.}}}} |
smoore (smoore)
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Posted From: 204.145.232.66
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 1:45 pm: |
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"As a matter of fact all or any religion that says they know God or His will for man is staight up insanity, delusion or wishfull thinking. Its even written that man cant know His ways."
david, i know this much is true...
quoting you. |
oceanopractico (oceanopractico)
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Username: oceanopractico
Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 65.34.253.21
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 1:56 pm: |
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There wasn't a drop of sarcasm in the above statement . I truly believe that Yathed / David has just done a great thing . I wish I had the courage to join him .
Juan Bilbao |
doug (doug)
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Username: doug
Post Number: 246
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 141.153.134.232
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 9:43 pm: |
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If I had the conscience to do it I think I would have the courage but I have done that and don't have the conscience to do it any more. I'll be wondering how you're doing David. |
obrotherwherearthou (obrotherwherearthou)
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Username: obrotherwherearthou
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 206.148.100.22
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:31 am: |
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David said-
"I encourage all who have heard the Truth to listen to your hearts and re-evaluate your decision to return to your own vomit...
You know who you are and your Abba loves you and misses you. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES!!! "
I hate it when people state something here they refuse to answer a response to.
I wish I could ask David what "lies" is he refering to- the ones he is claiming he told? Or what he heard here? ( and I am sure there are some...)
But who are these people he says have returned to their vomit?
So many of us left for different- for more heart-wrenching and serious reasons than he did, (which were doctrinal differences and perhaps a desire for a wife?? Correct me if I am wrong....)
Some of us were sent away.
We had no desire to return to our vomit but were thrown out here.
But after time has passed, we finally realized that our vomit lied in the tents of the people who call themselves the one and only people of God and yet lie continually to each other and the world.
David is right- "DONT BELIEVE THE LIES"
Seriously. |
jacob (jacob)
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Username: jacob
Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 65.19.82.179
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:37 am: |
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Good Luck David,
In some ways we are alike and this is your upteenth change of heart... Look at this before you effect more lives... Best of luck to you! If you belong there, I wish you the best!! And hope you make your way back.
Jacob
P.S. Look at how many times a year you go through these cycles... I just found out that the definition of bipolar is fairly simple: Having two or more episodes a year where you have a manic high and a depressive low.
Your dialogue sounds manic(reactionary) to whatever you have recently experienced. Also, You have not visited that many different communities, yet you write in 'absolute' as if you have seen them all and can make a judgement that the Community is the only Truth.
Still, if the Community is the best place for you, hope you make it back. |
johncolo_springs (johncolo_springs)
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Posted From: 68.64.160.93
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 11:44 am: |
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Good Luck David in your spiritual journey!
Time will tell whether or not the TT have "exclusivity with God".
You once wrote, "Look how fast the Tribes grew and drew people with simple love in the beginning but how that growth stopped as soon as the "annointing" decided to put on robes and claim exclusivity with God."
I actually hope they do have this special unique quality--but I have a strong hunch for some reason that they don't, and that they will one day have to humble themselves on this position and make adjustments according to The Lord's plans--Only time will tell. I tell my daughter (who is now in their midst) that I believe the TT will be a part of what God is going to do in the last days, and may even lead the way. But I don't think they embody what He is doing. Someone once said, "truth is the daughter of time." I think this will be the telling statement for the Tribes.
Many Blessings!
--John, Colorado Springs |
binturong (binturong)
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Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 151.203.127.109
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 7:44 pm: |
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The only Vomit you are going back to is the Twelve Tribes. Gene/Elbert/"Yoneq" is a false prophet with no love in his heart except to lord it over those who are weak-minded and easily led astray, like yourself. God has indeed turned you over to a deluding spirit, because you do not love the Truth. |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 59
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.236.171.67
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 8:33 pm: |
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Well I do love the truth and the truth has set me free...Read the next thread... |
doug (doug)
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Username: doug
Post Number: 297
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 138.89.122.33
| | Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2005 - 9:45 pm: |
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I said in the above post
If I had the conscience to do it I think I would have the courage but I have done that and don't have the conscience to do it any more. I'll be wondering how you're doing David.
I'd like to clarify
I don't have the conscience does not mean I don't have a conscience, it means My conscience will not let me |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 1558
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.168.65.103
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 8:34 pm: |
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TS: Read the post at the top of this thread. I tried in January of this year... Yoneq told me to go live with Bob Pardon... There was no forgiveness to be had...
At least Bob offered help. |
ruachhakodesh (ruachhakodesh)
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Username: ruachhakodesh
Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 69.228.157.200
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 9:55 pm: |
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There's only one way to salvation and true forgiveness with eternal love. His name is Yahshua! There is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved. |
randyspenser (randyspenser)
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Username: randyspenser
Post Number: 53
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.50.81.230
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 10:14 pm: |
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I am requesting anyone who wishes to email me to voice their opinion positive or negative (as long as it's done with caring and not revenge). The decisions I am making is very important to me and my family. randyspenser@yahoo.com |
truth_seeker (truth_seeker)
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Username: truth_seeker
Post Number: 48
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.202.117.114
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 1:28 am: |
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Ex_Yathed,
If you want to know what I think,
you never gave up your forbidden love,
for the twelve tribes...or God.
Peace to you anyway,
"friend of the devil"
Psst...that's a grateful dead song.lol |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 1561
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.168.65.103
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 7:06 am: |
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Thanks TS. One thing you should know. There is not a soul that leaves the Tribes that doesnt still have a deep love for all still there.
Its like we all have the "battered spouse syndrome"or the "Stockholm syndrome" http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=469. We love our captors and even though we know its an unhealthy relationship, we long to return to their arms. Experience the love we once knew and forget the pain which we suffered through before.
Now TS. I want you to ask yourself a question. This question I have to keep in the for front of my consciousness. Especially when I get disillusioned with the world and my life and start to think about going back.(I made sure I burnt my bridges as a fail safe just in case I got stupid/deppressed enough to try and go back)
What makes them any different then the countless home churches who are attempting the life of Acts 2+4? There are many! None quite as vocal of there stance (prideful) as the TT. Not as widespread(30 clans,9 countries) or financially established. http://www.twelvetribes.com/whereweare/links.html
Nor do they claim to be the ONLY ONES or the ONLY WAY and all that claim to follow Jesus/Yahshua outside of THEIR CAMP will be sentenced to burn in the Lake of Fire for all eternity.
Do you really want to be apart of such a proud and unforgiving group? Did Yahshua keep His disciples together and controlled with the fear of death and guilt of critical thinking? Did He ever fail to forgive anyone? Even His persecutors and crucifiers?
So, ask yourself this. If you still think they are who they claim to be and fear for your eternal soul, then go.
As for me and my family, we will serve a loving and forgiving Creator of all!
One more thing "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints!". Oh! Im glad Im a "friend of yours". Want to borrow $20 bucks? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 1562
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.168.65.103
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 7:31 am: |
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"and my heaven will be a big heaven
and I will walk through the front door"
-Peter Gabriel
WOO HOO!!! |
fatherofaking (fatherofaking)
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Username: fatherofaking
Post Number: 219
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 64.223.172.102
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 8:12 am: |
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and all that claim to follow Jesus/Yahshua outside of THEIR CAMP will be sentenced to burn in the Lake of Fire for all eternity.
ex y,
shame on you. you know that the TT believe no such thing. the three eternal destinys of man teaching clearing shows that they believe that there are many good people who will not see the second death. even some within christianity. good people that strive to live by their conscience daily. and as for those that are outside the camp of christianity living in community claiming to be to be doing the same thing that the TT are doing. they have never discounted that possibility. and to say that they are unforgiving? please. i'm afraid you are in danger of burning bridges with god rather than man. to say such things.
i like you ex y but sometimes you just go to far for me to be silent. |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 1564
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.168.65.103
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 8:51 am: |
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FOF, Stop throwing up a smoke screen and trying to upstage the whole point I was trying to get through to TS!!!Shame on me? Shame on you!!! Your gonna make a great "Tribesman". Yuck! Id rather watch PTL!LOL!!!
"shame on you. you know that the TT believe no such thing"
THEY DO TOO!!! OK, let me clarify a little!Anyone who claims to follow Jesus/Yahshua and hears a "Sent One" and does not give up there "Christian Life" and join them WILL burn in the lake of fire for eternity.
I had Yoneq HIMSELF tell me that I should be careful who I tell the Gospel to, especially my family and loved ones for I might be condemning them to the Lake of Fire if they do not receive me!
As I have said countless times before, they believe ALL of christianity will "Burn in one hour!"
Yes, they say there MAY be a few righteous in the church and they will still have to go to the "first death" to pay for their sins UNLESS they heard the TT speak the Gospel and did not "Come out from her"!
I dont know where your getting your info but its most likely someone in the TT thats tickling your ears and not giving you the straight skinny!!!
Hey! Ex TTers!!! Can I get a witness?!! |
jennymichaelah (jennymichaelah)
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Username: jennymichaelah
Post Number: 119
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 68.174.249.180
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 9:24 am: |
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Yes David, you have a witness. (How do you spell the emphatic grunting that should follow your query?) Your version is a fair representation of what i was taught while there. Fatherofaking's is the prettier, more pallatable version that i heard when i was first visiting.
Fatherofaking, whenever i brought up the possibility that there were others out there who were truly serving YHWH they would say "Maybe. And if so then they will join us". That says it all to me. That very sentiment was repeated to me a bunch of times in different clans by people from different tribes. i am curious how you can ignore the arrogance that is so fundamental to who they are? i rationalized it when i joined. Do you think that you might be doing that or is it not an issue to you? |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Username: ex_yathed
Post Number: 1565
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.168.65.103
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FOF! I have a little present for you. Its a teaching on this same matter and it is actually signed by the Great and Glorious Oz (Yoneq) himself! So...put this in your pipe and smoke it! Try not to choke!!!
Who are you???
[This is a letter written in response to a message that came via our
web
site…]
What is your name, “my friend”? Why did you not tell me? Shall I write
you,
or shall we get together and talk face to face? Wouldn’t that be much
better? However, since you did write, and since I did read your letter,
I
will answer, and be patient with you as you asked me to be.
I felt as I read your letter that it would not be right for me to
answer
your questions unless you first answered the questions that follow.
Please
answer them as carefully and sincerely as you dare, for they are direct
and
honest questions, pertaining to life and death!
Does Jn 15:17 apply to you? If so, then do verses 18 through 21 also
apply
to you? In other words, can you say the same thing the Master said in
verse
Jn 15:23? Do you know the one who sent Yahshua? Is He your Father? And
what
about verse 25? Does the world of men who do not know the Father hate
you
without cause? Aren’t these things really important? Don’t they speak
to you
in some way?
What do you think about Lk 10:16, Jn 13:20, Mt 10:40-41, and Rom
10:14-17?
Did you notice the “sent one” in those verses? Who preached to you?
Whom did
you receive? Through whom did you receive the faith to believe in the
Son of
God? Please notice carefully what these verses say, because it is
important
whom you reject and whom you receive, isn’t it?
Do you know what an apostle is? Isn’t an apostle a sent one? Look up
the
word in the Greek, if you wish. Then read Acts 2:42. Isn’t it clear
that the
early believers were devoted to the fellowship of the “sent ones”? (How
does
your Bible say it?) So then, with whom do you have fellowship? Do you
see
it? Do you see what am I trying to say?
Here is another question. How do you evaluate yourself by Pr 17:4?
Liars
listen to wicked lips, don’t they? Whose have you been listening to
lately?
Now read Jn 8:39-47. Can you see why those men couldn’t hear what the
Master
was saying? They weren’t from God, were they? That is why they couldn’t
hear
what He was saying. They simply didn’t understand! (Jn 7:17 – you will
know
– and 1 Jn 4:5-6).
Now, after reading these verses (Pr 17:4 and Jn 8:39-47), isn’t it
clear to
you that all liars, especially those who love to lie, are like the dogs
of
Rev 22:15? They love to bear false witness while claiming to see (Jn
9:41)
and have fellowship with Him (1 Jn 1:6)! They do not keep His
commandments
(1 Jn 2:4; Jn 14:21-24); yet they convince themselves that they do. You
know
where liars end up, don’t you? Read Rev 21:8. Liars pay attention to
other
liars (remember Pr 17:4?). Why do you think that is? It is because they
don’t love the truth and don’t know God, even though they say they do
or
even think they do. The fact is, everyone is a liar who claims to know
Him
but does not love as He loved (as 1 Jn 2:4 says; see also Jn 13:34; 1
Jn
3:23).
Unless one is actually laying down his life for his brothers (what does
that
mean to you?), he does not know what love is. Check it out for yourself
in 1
Jn 3:16. If you will look at 1 Jn 3:14,23-24, you will see that loving
the
brethren by laying down your life for them is the only way by which the
Holy
Spirit bears witness with one’s spirit (Rom 8:16) that he belongs to
Him
(Rom 8:9). Otherwise you may find yourself getting the assurance of
your
salvation from an evil spirit masquerading as an angel of light, as
Paul the
apostle spoke of in 2 Cor 11:14. Perhaps you received another Jesus and
another gospel (2 Cor 11:4) through one of the ministers Paul mentions
in
verse 15. It isn’t surprising, is it? He says it isn’t! You could have
received the wrong Jesus!
This love (if it comes from true obedience, Jn 14:15) forms the Body of
Messiah, which is manifested by the visible community of believers (Jn
13:35; 17:23). It makes sense, doesn’t it? You see, the (inner) glory
spoken
of in Jn 17:22 must be expressed outwardly by our actions in the Body
of
Messiah. Glory (weight) is the inner worth given to us, which is
expressed
outwardly in the daily affairs of the Community, which is His Body. And
unless one has been immersed into this Body (1 Cor 12:13; Rom 5:5), he
is a
mere pretender (especially if he claims to see as in Jn 9:41 or says he
knows Him, as in 1 Jn 2:4). Those who don’t obey his commandments and
claim
to know Him are liars! There is no way to obey his commandments unless
one
has been immersed into that one Body written of in 1 Cor 12:13! To try
would
be to defy the Scriptures!
This Body is a Oneness as expressed in Jn 17:22. However, unless one
has
been given His glory, he is not able to participate in the oneness of
this
Body (see Eph 4:2-6). His Body is universally expressed in twelve
tribes —
in tribal unity and in tribal living. (Have you ever wondered why
Yahshua
chose 12 disciples and not 14? Have you ever wondered why the city of
God,
the wife of the Lamb in John’s Revelation (Rev 21:9-14) had twelve
gates and
not seven? Check it out!) It’s either tribal or Babel (that is,
related to
the well-known confusion surrounding the tower of Babel, which later
became
Babylon, the great city). Choose for yourself: it’s either the woman of
Rev
12:1 or it’s the woman of Rev 17:6 (Jn 16:3), Rev 17:16-18, and Rev
18:2-5,
the prostitute who will be burned (verse 8), Babylon the Great. (Notice
that
the just punishment of harlot or prostitute is burning. It is in the
Law, as
written in Lev 21:9 and an example is found in Gen 38:24.)
Turn in your Bible to the eternal torment of Rev 19:2-3. Do you see it?
This is where those found in Jn 9:41 will end up, because their sin
remains
eternally. They received a false belief in a false Christ. (Our Master
Himself condemns them, since they do not know God. Do you know what I
mean?
See 2 Cor 11:2-4,13-15 again.)
Jn 6:44 says that no one can come to the Master unless the Father draws
him.
The Father who sent Him drew me to the Master. Then He sent me (Lk
10:16;
Rom 10:14-17; Mt 10:41; Jn 7:17-18; 13:20). Has the same Father drawn
you
and sent you to draw others to His Son? Notice what is written in Jn
6:44-45. Through whom did you hear and learn from the Father (remember
Mt
10:41)? What “sent one” were you “drawn” by? What is the fruit by which
you
can prove that the tree you are of is good? (Check out Mt 7:16-20; Jn
8:31-32; 15:5-8 and Jn 7:18.)
Do you believe Jn 8:51? Does one actually have to obey Him in
everything in
order not to see death? Do you believe Rev 22:14 (see the New King
James
Version)? Are you one who “does His commandments”? Do you believe that
if
you do not do His commandments that you will be as one who is a dog or
a
sorcerer, outside of the gates of the twelve-tribed city, the wife of
the
Lamb (Rev 21:9,12)? Nowadays, a sorcerer is one who claims to know
Messiah,
but does not do His commandments (1 Jn 2:4; Jn 9:41). He is one who
proclaims the Messiah, but does not know Him. He leads others to a
demon
called “Jesus,” preaching another gospel (check out 2 Cor 11:2-4 one
more
time) and comes against the true disciples of Yahshua (Jn 16:2-3).
These men
are of the world and speak as of the world (1 Jn 4:5-6). The world
loves its
own (Jn 15:19).
You say you are my friend. Will you lay down your life for me (Jn
15:13)?
Are you a friend of our Yahshua (Jn 15:14)? Do you obey His gospel
(including Lk 14:33 and Jn 13:34)? How? Or is the wrath of God still
upon
you? (Jn 3:36 NASB). Have you believed through a “sent one”? Or have
you
believed some other way? See Jn 3:18. Are you condemned yet? If you
ever
meet a true sent one as in Jn 7:18, you will know as in Jn 7:17; that
is, if
you are willing to do the will of the One who sent Him. (It’s just like
in
Jn 6:44. Did the Father draw you to Him?)
I will tell you the truth. You are not condemned yet because you have
not
yet been confronted with the true gospel. But even if you have not
been, if
you claim to see by a false light or a false gospel, you will be condemned never-the-less! (Jn 9:41 may apply to you, but if you were confronted by a
true
“sent one,” Jn 3:18-20 applies to you). Jn 3:21 is yet to be proven
concerning you, “my friend,” for everything will someday come to the
light,
and God will judge the motives of men’s hearts.
From the heart,
Yoneq
P.S.: Read Jn 12:26. Are you where He is? Does the Father honor you
there? |
hellohellohello (hellohellohello)
Intermediate Member
Username: hellohellohello
Post Number: 245
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 69.86.104.21
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 9:42 am: |
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YES.
Ex-yathed, you don't need an ex-TT to validate your point.
Having been friends with the TT for over ten years, we've heard plenty on this particular topic.
That's one of the many reasons I've seriously considered joining the TT--what if they're right?? What if I decide I don't agree with them and then I have to burn in the lake of fire?
At the same time, my friends in the TT don't want me to join unless I'm truly convicted.
I think the problem lies here:
The TT spiritual rationale certainly would make sense, IF one were truly 100% convicted and, maintaining this conviction, turned their back on Messiah and everything he represents.
But it doesn't make sense if one slowly loses their conviction (granting even 100% conviction at one time or another), for one who experiences doubts/misgivings and who, in their hour of "darkness" or ignorance, turns from their former love.
I'd say, at this point the TT spiritual rationale suffers...
For, if Yahshua came to earth and experienced our human sufferings, surely he would know, he would empathize with our most fragile of faiths--faith in God and His purpose for us.
So, if God is a merciful God, He would know what is in this person who is experiencing these doubts... He would know what led up to their decision. It's not for the TT or Yoneq to decide what is in people's hearts.
For the TT to give this rather unsubtle impression to those they meet, is really kind of ridiculous and small-minded.
Maybe I'll bring this up next time I get together with my friends there--it's an issue that obviously needs some straightening out. |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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And heres a nice glass of gall to go with that smoke...
The Parable of the Wheat and Tares (Mt 13:24-30,36-43)
Before Mt 24:29-31, the tares will be gathered together in groups all
over
the world where “she” sits on many waters (Rev 17:1,15). Rev 17:1 is
the
judgment of the great Harlot (Mt 13:30,40), and from among us (verses
41-42)
along with the Harlot (Rev 19:2-3). After the Harlot is gathered and
burned,
then (Mt 24:29-31) we will be gathered (Mt 13:30,43) into the Kingdom
We are living at the end of the age (Mt 24:3,14,34). Christians also
live at
the end of the age (Rev 18:2). Either we are tares or the Christians
are
tares. Either the Christians are the wheat or we are the wheat. The
“field”
is the world (not the Edah). Both “she” and we are in the world. We are
not
of the world, but they are of the world (1 Jn 2:15; Jn 15:19; Jms 4:4)
so
they are tares, sons of the wicked one (Mt 13:38-39). Satan’s servants
sowed
them (2 Cor 11:15). Mt 13:37 - Yahshua’s servants sowed the good seed.
Satan’s servants have sown all who are and have been in Christianity
down
through history.
3ED #166
.....Think about all who have left (those who made a confession) in the
first century (1 Jn 2:19), and among “us” in this last century of
restoration - the restoration of the “us” who have believed in “the
True
One” (1 Jn 5:20). So many in the first century and throughout history
who
“believed” were not acquainted with the True One. 1 Jn 1:6; 2:4 - They
received a “false one,” even a demon that Christians call Jesus today.
Belief in this Jesus does not produce the same fruit of Acts 2:42-47
and
4:32-35. Why? Because they do not believe in the same Messiah preached
by
Peter and the Apostles in the first century. 1 Ths 2:14 - Paul’s gospel
bore
the same fruit as the Judean gospel of Peter and the rest (Jn 12:25-26;
Mk
10:30).
But then 2 Cor 11:2-4,13-15 made its way into the communities. Look at
the
condition of the churches at the turn of the century (Rev 2 and 3; Jms
1:1).
The Nicolaitan system was not from God, was it? Rev 2:15 - This was the
Bishopric system from which the Pope came forth, and from which the
almost 1
billion followers derive their being today, as well as the 800 million
in
other sects who derive their being from Martin Luther and John Calvin
and
other apostles inspired by Satan - who all progagate what God hates (2
Cor
11:15).
This would mean that more than one third of the world’s population are
the
“Holy” today (Mt 7:14), leaving the rest to be the Unjust and Filthy
and the
Righteous of Rev 22:11. No wonder our Master said that the prostitutes
and
tax collectors (the Filthy and Unjust) would inherit the kingdom before
them
(Mt 21:23-32), the supposed Holy who are supposed to be a Holy Nation
(Mt
21:43; 1 Pet 2:9; Isa 49:6; Mt 24:14). The real prostitutes and unjust
are
within her (Rev 17:16-18) and Rev 18:2-8 is the just punishment of the
harlot and prostitute (Lev 21:9; Gen 38:24).......
Now, go right ahead and get immersed into all this heresy. After a while you'll be preaching the same thing. Just like Patty hearst was immersed into the teachings of the sla until she was so brainwashed, she robbed banks for them!
OPEN YOUR EYES!!! |
soul1958 (soul1958)
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“I had Yoneq HIMSELF tell me that I should be careful who I tell the Gospel to, especially my family and loved ones for I might be condemning them to the Lake of Fire if they do not receive me!”
No wonder you started ‘sweating bullets’ when you couldn’t get me to join!
“Anyone who claims to follow Jesus/Yahshua and hears a "Sent One" and does not give up there "Christian Life" and join them WILL burn in the lake of fire for eternity."
Even though you determined that I was a “wonderful, loving Christian woman,” (and may I add, practicing from a humble, submissive, contrite heart) that wasn’t good enough for your TTs? [for the rest of you…he told me, “you would fit right it!”]
So, sadly, when a person is as balanced as Jesus himself…he/she doesn’t fit into any regulation-bound religion. |
soul1958 (soul1958)
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Why am I angry?... I should say, Thank G_d! I don't "fit" - Jesus didn't "fit" - it's a sign!
(Message edited by soul1958 on October 26, 2005)
(Message edited by soul1958 on October 26, 2005) |
john_s (john_s)
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--- So, sadly, when a person is as balanced as Jesus himself… ---
And humble, too! |
randyspenser (randyspenser)
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Then, if I share what I find in the Community with my daughters and they do not accept... I am condemning them to eternity in the Lake of Fire? OK.... hmmmmmmmmmm |
anon_e_mus (anon_e_mus)
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Posted From: 151.204.212.68
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This is all so sad. |
soul1958 (soul1958)
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--- So, sadly, when a person is as balanced as Jesus himself… ---
And humble, too! 
Got me there! Thanks. |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Posted From: 24.168.65.103
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What? I dont get it! The truth will set you free!
Thats the thing about the TT. They want you to hate yourself, not love yourself! As I have told my sweety before, you cant get ANYTHING out of a relationship if you dont bring it with you. So.... if you aint got love for yourself, you sure as hell aint gonna have it for someone else!!! |
anon_e_mus (anon_e_mus)
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ALL THESE DEEPER TT'S TEACHINGS:
Are making me ill. They are so destructive. They remind me of the over control stucture of old "iron curtain" and of the Borg (Star Trek). So sad. Such bondage.
I see a subtle principle at work, here. (Maybe not subtle?)
Christianity teaches the salvation of an individual through faith in the finished work in Another. Christianity teaches that the bible says that we have a great need of salvation, and that it given to those who ask for it, believing that they can't earn it themselves. This makes me grateful and freed from fear.
The TT's teach that there is a LOT you have to do in order to be saved (beyond "believe and be baptised"). The thing is that the requirements are so great and keep getting greater and greater. It seems as if you never become acceptable to God because you can never do enough. It is no surprise to me that TT's work endless days and are so exhausted. Their burden is so heavy and the reward so fleeting. Their life is so hard, by choice and not necessity, so ascetic (for most, not all).
It is no wonder to me that many TT's members who leave, especially the young ones, the ones born into it can tend to leave and go wild morally and materialistically. The yoke is so difficult and the burden is so heavy.
It's all so sad and their teachings trouble me. I feel deeply for the ignorant and the confused. |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Posted From: 24.168.65.103
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anon_e_mus,
HOW DO WE SET THEM FREE????
I LOVE THEM!!!! |
anon_e_mus (anon_e_mus)
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Posted From: 151.204.212.68
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Dave,
I LOVE THEM TOO! HOW DO WE SET THEM FREE????
Your post choked me up, resonating deeply within me, as I feel the same way. You have friends in the TT's, I have family. *sigh*
That question has plagued me for a long time. As I wrote, I have family there. The problem is that any opposition or questioning of the TT's is taken as persecution.
I have been thinking about this very seriously for awhile. I have to determine what role, if any, besides a forum like this, that God would have me to play. Circumstances dictate that I stay anonymous, but God... we'll see.
If I come up with anything, I'll email you. |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Posted From: 24.168.65.103
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I feel ya .... |
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Posted From: 24.168.65.103
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Or should I say Yah? |
truth_seeker (truth_seeker)
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Posted From: 12.202.117.114
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"Then, if I share what I find in the Community with my daughters and they do not accept... I am condemning them to eternity in the Lake of Fire? OK.... hmmmmmmmmmm"
You all are just going to have to excuse my rude message board manners...
Randy, so many of these things have been discussed on the Yahoo group. Why aren't you asking any of your questions there?
See post #239 |
researcher24 (researcher24)
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Posted From: 169.244.143.114
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TS - I know that Post 52 was a message to Randy, not me, but I too would like to read the yahoo message board. My membership is pending. Do you have any influence? Can you get me in? I promise I will be civil. |
hellohellohello (hellohellohello)
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Posted From: 69.86.104.21
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researcher24--
So you are writing about the TT for your Master's thesis?
Are you a student of anthropology?
Can you tell us more about yourself?
Thanks, Hx3 |
hellohellohello (hellohellohello)
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Posted From: 69.86.104.21
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Also, researcher24,
A while back many of us participated in two survey threads... the answers therein may prove useful to you.
One is called "survey thread" and the other is called "20 questions". I brought them back up to the top of the board.
Cheers,
Hx3 |
hellohellohello (hellohellohello)
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Posted From: 69.86.104.21
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Oh, P.S., researcher24:
My point of view has certainly changed since I originally posted answers to the survey threads...
I imagine others have also developed a deeper perspective since their last posts there. |
truth_seeker (truth_seeker)
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Posted From: 12.202.117.114
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Researcher,
No, I can't get you into the Yahoo group, but,
I do think you deserve to know the truth. Have you read the NEIRR Analysis? It starts at http://www.twelvetribes.com/controversies/neirr-response.html |
researcher24 (researcher24)
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Thanks, you folks are being very helpful. Both the link and the survey threads will be very useful. I'm in an American & New England studies program at the University of Southern Maine. The program is interdisciplinary. My specific focus has been the intersection of government and religion, so the Raid is important, but not the only thing I want to consider. In addition to the interaction between governments and the TT,I want to know more about the influence and activity of the anti-cult activists.
(Message edited by researcher24 on October 27, 2005) |
live4him (live4him)
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ex-yathed
I was reading through some of the messages that you had written...and you talked about how it is hard after you have left and you feel like you have this love for your captors. I know how you feel. I was involved in rosecreekvillage. and i have gone back to vist, because i have so many close friends there. And when i go to vist, leaving is always hard, because i miss the love and the acceptance that you feel when you are with them. You are surrounded by people that are constantly trying to show you love and acceptance and they are living "the perfect christian life" (in there eyes) It is hard, and it has been hard to contiue being friends, because we don't believe the same, but i still choose to try an have a relationship with them and yet i feel like they are in a totally different world than me. But keep seeking God and he is going to give that peace, love and encouragment that you need. People can't give it, it must be from God. |
faye (faye)
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live4him-
Did you ever write on a blog somewhere? I thought I saw a picture of someone who lived in Rose Creek by the same name....Sweet lady, long dark hair...can't remember where I saw it...
I have several friends who lived in Rose Creek when it was called Tsion Hadashah- actually they were calling themselves something else before that..The Church at Bethel Springs? Think so..
I was friends with them years before they joined..two families.
I actually considered moving in there before I met the TT! 
I can't decide whether you are blessed bc you can visit, or cursed.
I lived in the TT for a number of years....and there is NO way people can just go visit, and it be ok for very long...you might get away with it once, but I know many who haven't.
Therefore, the relationship which is so strained for you, is totally impossible for us!
I wonder which is worse? |
heartstar12
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If Yahshua really experienced all of mankinds sufferings, he would have been married for atime and had children. |
servent
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Posted From: 80.33.156.145
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ex-yathed are you finally join the TT? |
nabashalam
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Posted From: 207.69.139.6
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You need alot of catching up to do! Im not exyathed anymore, Im nabashalam!
Kill the Buddha! |
servent
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so you are in or what? |
nabashalam
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Posted From: 207.69.137.13
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No!!!!!!!!!
Ive been out for 2.5 years!
Its a cult, clear and simple and I am still suffering the side effects from it! |
servent
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Posted From: 80.35.125.131
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yes,i'm suffering the effects aswell.My mind doesn't stop of thinking about,and if i visit them is worst.
BUT... i've been there out for 2 years and a half too. |
interestednu
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Hello nab and servant,
I've only visited one of the TT homes, and buy bread at their local bakery quite often. I'm very curious. Could you tell me why you're still suffering the affects of the TT.
What was it like? Are you male or female?
Thanks, interestednu |
servent
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the sufering in my case comes from love,i mean,
i found so nice people with an extraordinary past and some kind of accidents,they are captives of the idea of a comunity,which is nice and great,but their leaders just receive doctrine(understanding)of god,from Yoneq(who starts the community) when each one have his understanding of the son of god,and nobody is less nor more than others, the problem arrives when one man is infalible,doesn't accept his mistakes,because he is the annoiting.Even Peter(apostle) had to accept the words of Paul for that act,but he loved the truth, and our weekness is always there,for that is important to talk always,share the opinions,because i don't care if the truth comes from my mouth or from other, his servants will recognise the truth soon or late.
takecare.
the mercy of god is bigger than we imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!do it as well as we can |
interestednu
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Servant, Tahnk you for answering my question. You are right, no human is infallable. It sounded like who ever started it had good intentions, and I'm sure there might be some good derrived from being a part of it (for some people). So do they have a list of doctrines? Is there an incubation period, or is it called a transition or something? What is the process of joining and what is the process of leaving? Do many get kicked out or leave on their own accord?
interestednu |
nabashalam
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Here ya go interested!
I lived on the boat for a year! I can see why you'd want to join any kinda group, just to take your mind off the fact that you live in Brunswick, Ga. ! YUCK!!! Worst mosquitos in the world and deadly toxins everywhere in that hole!
http://www.twelvetribesteachings.com/
http://twelvetribes-ex.org/
http://iottc.blogspot.com/ |
davidderush
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Posted From: 70.181.208.151
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InterestedNU, the fact is, you can ask any question you want to ask, of my friends in the community there in Brunswick...and they will give you an honest answer.
For that matter you can move in and live with them, pray with them, work with them and suffer with them...for months if you want to....BEFORE surrendering your life to our Master Yahshua. And that is actually what we recommend that people do. We have no interest in having people come into our life who do not know what they are getting into. It serves no good purpose for anyone, only causing problems. We want people with us who really love to be here, and love to serve one another and love each other and are willing to suffer to do so.
So the idea that we are hiding anything is absurd. If you are hiding something, you don't keep your doors open 24/7 and invite people to move in with you and share your whole life.
What we do say is this, InterestedNU.....we say that "liars listen to lying lips"...that is the Word of God, Proverbs 17:4....and this board and similar places on the internet are primarily populated by liars...people who love their own lives more than they love truth.
If you really have questions about us, and are sincere, this is NOT the place to get your questions honestly answered. This is a place to get your heart poisoned against the truth. This is a place to find slander and misrepresentation of the worst kind about those dear people in Brunswick.
If you talk to ex-members....please know what kind of people you are talking to. You are listening to people who deserted their friends. You are listening to people who made a solemn, irrevokable covenant to love their friends like Yahshua loves...and never stop....and then they decided to turn their back on their friends and the covenant that they made...and go back to the world they supposedly died to.
Such people are like a married woman who becomes an adulteress...such people will always find good reason to "demonize" their former spouse and to justify their unfaithfulness......but their true character is evident to any sincere person. The kind of mess you see on this thread is a good example of the quality of character of the people you are asking to "enlighten" you.
And such people love to claim they are victims...and suffering from the ill effects of being with us....but the plain truth is that they are suffering the trauma of having low character...they are in truth their own worst enemies...and such was true before they ever promised to be with us forever...and it was true when they forsook that solemn promise...and it is still true today as they falsely claim to have been the victims of the friends they deserted...
If you really have questions about us, and are sincere.....go ask the people who are LIVING this life...the people who ARE paying the price to love each other every day....don't come here and ask those who have made themselves our enemies and who deliberately deserted their friends.
You find faith, and find life, by being with and listening to people who have faith and have life.
The people here don't have it and can't give it. What they have is loneliness, dysfunction, self-justification, blaming...and death. They have death for you, and will offer it to you as light....but their life does not back up their words. They have no life to offer. They only tear down what is better than they are.
Do yourself a favor...get off the computer and go spend the Sabbath with my friends there in Brunswick and ask them your questions.
Sincerely,
David Derush |
nabashalam
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Posted From: 207.69.139.9
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Hey Derush! Stop littering this place with your cut and paste crap like the way you guys leave some concert or park or Christian convention strewed with crumpled up and trampled free papers left by you!
Let me tell all the folks here at factnet land. This man believes that everyone who does not except HIS beliefs and discards a free paper is going to burn for eternity in the "Lake of Fire"!
So actually what they are doing at these events, also with his little snippet here, is walking around handing out death warrants to the unknowing.
I once had Yoneq tell "disciples" to be careful who they preach to, especially your kin, because you might be damning them to hell if they dont except the word your bringing to them!
Oh yeah! Thats what I wanta be! The death angel!
Now do you want to see the gall and the oozing pride these people have,(Im talking about the elders) and what they teach there followers to have? How they look down upon you like a pharisee on a throne?
"They only tear down what is better than they are"
There you have it....
Yahshua would puke if He were here...
(Message edited by nabashalam on December 23, 2006) |
fatherofaking
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Posted From: 71.161.77.17
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hey david is this you derush is talking about?
http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=373928#POST373928 |
nabashalam
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Posted From: 207.69.137.23
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Yupper! Thats me!
FOAK! Thanks for the heads up!!!
The retraction and correction has been done...
http://factnet.org/?p=41 |
interestednu
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Davidderush, I have asked the TT in Brunswick some questions. And I do plan on having some more discussions with them. I buy their bakery items often.
By the way, where are you located. Which city or town?
Yes, I asked the nice lady waitning on me why I didn't see and Xmas decorations in their bakery.
We agreed that Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th and the Xmas Celebration was filled with many pagan beginnings. There is no mention of the actual date of his birth in the Bible, and no mention of Jesus or any other early christians celebrating Jesus birth. |
nabashalam
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Posted From: 207.69.139.6
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AHHHH! But still they print Xmas cards to placate to the heathens!
Then they look down their long noses upon those who observe it, any kind of observance! |
interestednu
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Posted From: 69.173.58.86
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Hey Nab, That's exactly what I was thinking. What's that all about.
Wow I just read that whole interview. I am dumbfounded, speechless. I feel so sorry for those people. I'm afread the next time I go in the bakery I will shudder. |
nabashalam
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Posted From: 207.69.139.12
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I know that they literally spend millions of dollars on their writing and printing of their freepapers and website.
This is where a bulk of their hard earned monies go to. Yoneq said to expect at least one new disciple for evry 100,000 freepapers printed.
Thats alot of trees to kill and refuse for the landfills for one poor sucker to add to their labor pool!
Funny thing is, they dont spend a dime for that one that left the 99 or even attempt to remain civil towards them, even if its their own blood! As I said before...
Yahshua would puke!!! |
servent
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Username: servent
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 80.35.125.131
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Interestnu,as you can see the ex-members of this TT are really badly considerated; but i made a covenant with yahshua and they don't accept my gift,Derush; i will tell you who are my brothers...all that who loves the truth,justice and mercy even live in Japan,EEUU,Europe,Africa.
Because everyone who practice the justice is born from god.I don't accept any who claim we/i the only one,IN THIS TIME.
Derush you are like in this point,the 'Jehova Witness',they blame everybody who left their organitzation and wish the hell for them.
i don't wish the hell to nobody even my worst enemy.are so serious words,but you don't know who are your father,if you know him,you won't tell this words. |
interestednu
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Username: interestednu
Post Number: 27
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 69.173.58.86
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Servant, I know some Jehovah's Wittnesses. They don't WISH Hell for anybody, they don't beleive in a burning Hell, they beleive Hell is just a grave for the dead.
And as far as beleiving your beleif is the only true beleif, if you don't beleive it's the Truth, then why beleive it at all? Do you mean then that it's okay to be just any religion, just pick the one that suits your fancy, and It's okay with God, Jesus, or Yahshua? Some beleifs and practices go against the Bible. And the Bible says: "Not everyone saying to me Lord, Lord, will enter into the Kingdom" (Matt. 7:21-23) But I beleive that anyone who is sincerely searching for the way that the Creator truly approves, He will see to it that thet find it. |
interestednu
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Username: interestednu
Post Number: 28
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 69.173.58.86
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 - 11:06 am: |
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Nab, Are you the Ex-yathed that started this thread, then changed your name to Nabshalom? Or am I getting you confused? |
servent
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Posted From: 80.33.141.53
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 2:12 pm: |
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Maybe,they don't believe in hell as you said,but they don't wish 'good'things to people who were with them,they said 'the dog returns to it's vomit'and if you find them in the street they look other place..and don't forget they led die their children in case they have to receive blood for other person as the only way there are.
But,my angry was to Derush,trying to undervalue people who left from their community;putting all of them in the same box;
But as i see in your answers,you are an adult,so you are concient of your decitions,and finally any sheep will lose the way,so god bless you! |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 954
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 4.254.90.5
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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"Nab, Are you the Ex-yathed that started this thread, then changed your name to Nabshalom? Or am I getting you confused?"
Nah! Im not confused! You are! LOL!
Sorry, I couldnt resist...
Yes I am the infamous ex-yathed and the misunderstood nabashalam...Waaaah!  |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 956
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 4.254.90.5
| | Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 6:55 pm: |
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To explain a little history, I posted this thread 2 years ago. I had been out for 6 mo and had gone to meadow haven http://http://www.meadowhaven.org/
for 3 mo and then to another community for 3 mo and wrote the post from there http://www.fellowshipcommunity.org/
I was freaked out by the beliefs there and didnt know what to do. I wanted to go back to the tribes and wrote this letter in a plea to return.(battered spouse syndrome)
If you look at the sub-thread at the top of this page, you'll see the letter I wrote for the Tribes after the GREAT AND GLORIOUS YONEQ barred my return.
That should clear a few things up for you...
"Oh what a looooong strange trip it's been..." |
whereto2
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Posted From: 68.244.181.248
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 2:30 pm: |
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wise he was to bar your return indeed... |
mozelle
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Posted From: 68.7.232.240
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 4:38 pm: |
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dead horse, beaten
again |
nabashalam
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Post Number: 186
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 75.128.244.102
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 6:12 pm: |
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Thanks Mozy!!! |
anon_e_mus
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Username: anon_e_mus
Post Number: 28
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 71.168.205.52
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 12:55 pm: |
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"wise he was to bar your return indeed..."
Wisdom from Yoda this this is indeed.
My thoughts: Naby has indeed alienated a great many people, but who the heck are you to stand there in judgement of his worthiness to be in the TT's? WHO ARE YOU? Come off your high horse and look at your own sinfulness and need.
Jesus said that "prostitutes and sinners will get into heaven before you!" (the self righteous). You know what? I'm going to tell what will likely happen here. Naby is going to come away from his atheistic nonsense and fully embrace his heavenly Father whom he has known and loved in his heart of hearts and His Son and Naby's Savior, Jesus Christ. Yeah, he will. And I fully anticipate his welcome entry into heaven for eternity.
I'm not so sure of yours, though. Not unless you repent and see your utter unworthiness to cast such a judgement. You see, Naby knows what and who he is and what he has done in his life. He is someone given to repentence and sorrow for the hurt he has caused others. That puts him much closer to God than a self-appointed mud-slinging judge like you.
My advice to you?
A good thing humility, sorrow for sin and mercy for others is, indeed. |
whereto2
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Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 68.244.228.183
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:06 pm: |
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vain and unprofitable words
when 'nabashalam' takes the beam out of his eye he can help me remove the speck from mine....
same to you...
and anyone else...
its an eye for an eye out here... you want to bring judgement ill bring it in return...
you want tear down a people... ill tear you down in return...
show some humility , repentance and mercy and i will show some in retun... |
anon_e_mus
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Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 71.168.201.132
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 5:16 pm: |
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Yes, unprofitable because it seems as if you're pretty lost.
Hint: Mercy triumphs over judgement.
(Message edited by anon_e_mus on September 06, 2007) |
nabashalam
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Post Number: 243
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 75.128.244.102
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:20 pm: |
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Prostitutes and sinners? Woo Hoo!
Sounds like a party! Color me there!!!
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners then die with the saints!" -Billy Joel
BTW...I never claimed to be atheist! Agnostic...yes.
and I never let go of God...and visa-versa...
"Shake off all fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, He must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 244
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 75.128.244.102
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whereto2,
Are you sure the beam you see in my eye is not the speck in yours?
BTW...sin is sin...period. |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 245
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 75.128.244.102
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 7:00 pm: |
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MY BRETHREN, pay no servile regard to people, show no prejudice, no partiality. Do not attempt to hold and practice the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, together with snobbery! For if a person comes into your congregation whose hands are adorned with gold rings and who is wearing splendid apparel, and also a poor man in shabby clothes comes in, and you pay special attention to the one who wears the splendid clothes and say to him, Sit here in this preferable seat! while you tell the poor man, Stand there! or, Sit there on the floor at my feet! Are you not discriminating among your own and becoming critics and judges with wrong motives? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and in their position as believers and to inherit the kingdom which He has promised to those who love Him? But you, in contrast, have insulted, humiliated, dishonored, and shown your contempt for the poor. Is it not the rich who domineer over you? Is it not they who drag you into the law courts? Is it not they who slander and blaspheme that precious name by which you are distinguished and called?
If indeed you fulfill the royal Law in accordance with the Scripture, You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself, you do well. But if you show servile regard, prejudice, or favoritism for people, you commit sin and are rebuked and convicted by the Law as violators and offenders.
For whosoever keeps the Law as a whole but stumbles and offends in one single instance has become guilty of breaking all of it. For He Who said, You shall not commit adultery, also said, You shall not kill. If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become guilty of transgressing the whole Law.
So speak and so act as people should, who are to be judged under the law of liberty, the moral instruction given by Christ, especially about love. For to him who has shown no mercy the judgment will be merciless, but mercy exults victoriously over judgment. |
anon_e_mus
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Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 71.168.193.163
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 8:36 pm: |
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yeah....what he said. |
whereto2
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 68.245.156.113
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:24 pm: |
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lets bring this one back to the top too..
ex-yathed also known as nabashalam |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1659
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 75.128.244.102
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:51 pm: |
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OK... lets re-post this one too!
ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.236.171.67
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 9:21 pm:
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I have just been told I have burnt my bridge back to the Twelve Tribes and may not return. In someways I am relieved and some ways sad. With all of my heart I repented of my accusations and evil slander of the Tribes and begged for mercy and forgiveness from them. I still request this of our God and feel that He has forgiven me and has taught me a lesson in judging. I have been judged as I judged.
I am sad to not find forgiveness from the Tribes and find the place were our Father dwells but relieved that I did not make the mistake of going back until I know in my heart they are who they say they are. I believe that as this door closes another will open because our Father knows my heart and that I, as many others here, seek to serve Him.
As Jacob said, yes I am depressed but not due to chemical imbalance. It is due to not finding the purpose or the place to belong that I so desperately seek. I will wait and pray for His guidance because its obvious to me I have His protection.
I pray that the Twelve Tribes becomes more than the "closest thing", to quote an elders wife, and becomes The Thing!
I am sorry for the anxiety I may have caused to my closest friends that feared for my welfare and their own, all my friends in and out of the Tribes. I would do nothing to hurt anyone and once again apologise for my bitterness to anyone.
Yes, I am a restless soul and will not find the Peace beyond all understanding until I know and am ABSOLUTELY SURE I am doing Gods will and that might not be until the next age.
I wish all the peace one can find in this world to the seekers and the flocks we know not of, and that our Father gathers all His children in His arms in His time...
As far as the lies I spoke of, I speak of anything said without unconditional love,mercy, forgiveness, and encouragement. Many which were spoken by me, and I am being held accountable for them as I speak.But alas!!!
Rejoice! Our Father Loves Us!!! |
whereto2
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Username: whereto2
Post Number: 50
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 68.244.167.183
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 3:30 pm: |
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your words are vain and fruitless diversions from the truth... |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1662
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 75.128.244.102
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 3:52 pm: |
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You want the truth?
"You can't handle the truth!" -Jack Nicholson |
whereto2
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Username: whereto2
Post Number: 52
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 68.245.210.79
| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 4:17 pm: |
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this post however is profitable to read...
from all i have heard yathed was a great man while he was there...
you can see he continues to widen his path and 'burn his bridge' everyday...
at this point it seems impossible that he will ever correct his path and repent... |
