Dr.Juanita Bynum Ministeries

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Author Message   nc_musician (nc_musician) New member Username: nc_musician Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.214.179.221 Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 1:49 pm:        I used to be a fan of Dr.Bynums Ministeries until I saw her live one time.She was really harsh and the crowd seemed to be in awe at how she appeared.Then on top of it she preached his hell firey sermon that was like everyone in the crowd was going to hell.And that was a big let down.Especially after I learned she had had an affire herself with a married man.How can you preach she harsh messages if your not living it yourself?Sorry folks but i'm not not a Dr.Bynum fan.But to those who are be careful. http://www.juanitabynum.com/bynbio.htm   1light (1light) New member Username: 1light Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.38.125.201 Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 3:07 pm:        Were you angry about the truth being told or that the truth seemed harsh? No woman, man, pastor, etc. is without sin. Everyone has a past. She would only be unfit to teach if she were still carrying on the affair. If you read your bible you will see that nearly every man of God had a serious offennse in his past and was forgiven. Moses killed a man, David killed a man & slept with a married woman, Soloman had several wives of diffrent religions, etc. Sometimes the word is a two edge sword. Dont have itching ears...   seebehindthings (seebehindthings) New member Username: seebehindthings Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 64.174.183.120 Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 3:28 pm:        Tremendous response 1light.   bob_o_link (bob_o_link) Member Username: bob_o_link Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.75.29.19 Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2005 - 5:09 am:        Don't know what the truth is bout Juanita and an affair. Was that recent or before she was married? But...The New Testament says that if a person is in adultery or in any idolatry then should not be teaching or in a position of authority. She has been a blessin' to me an she has also felt kinda strange recently. She has been so harsh not jest in her words bout hell or whatever... but in her delivery so that I could not listen. When someone is in sin they get real angry an start pointin' the finger at others it is psychological. Its called "reaction formation" an is explained in lot o books. Don't like how she keeps bringin' up Carlton Pearson who is doin' somethin' real bad an has been disfellowshipped in several major areas an ministries. He may have deserved respect in the past an God loves him, but he is leading people into New Age an even after a 12 page letter from Oral Roberts an bein kicked off the board of regents. He has other problems an should not be advertised on TBN. How come she didn't discern the sin of Roberts Liardon, Carlton, McClendon, Carman or many others that she looks up to or knows? There is a problem when ya are determined to fit into a group more than please the Lord. If. If that is what she is doin'. A real Prophet if ya study the Bible, an ifn ya read things by John Bevere or Bill Hammon or Jack Deere exposes, hears, an sees sin; an then offers the formal redemptive plan out of it, an back to the heart of God... an does not, let me repeat it... cause it is what the Bible very clearly says, "does not whitewash the sin" cause they like the person. It is a New Age doctrine that Prophets only confirm what ya already know, its a religious boundary not the real function of the office. Anyone here know of Dereck Prince or Colin Dye? Real godly men who have taught accurate an balanced on the office of a Prophet, not jest the "gift of prophecy". Don't know what to think bout Juanita, I have been troubled lately myself. She sure had a giant weddin' in New York. Her new hairstyle looks real good in my opinion. Bye and God Bless Ya. So glad its Sunday, church is the best!!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaaa Whhooooooooo.   hannah (hannah) New member Username: hannah Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.188.117.12 Posted on Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 11:55 pm:        I tend to agree completely with you Bob-O. When I first heard Juanita, she seemed to have some "food" but now lately it's as if she is full of herself. I can't stand to listen to her , and don't. I really agree with you about the part of pointing out the sin and whatever else is holdin our brothers and sisters back and expecially the part about not whitewashing it. I believe, as you should know by now, that it is important to confront. People get all uptight about it and call it judging or rebuking but it's not that, confronting is a useful approach for instruction. If one is too afraid to confront, he/she may not be a good soldier, yet. Hannah   bob_o_link (bob_o_link) Intermediate Member Username: bob_o_link Post Number: 127 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.165.59.155 Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 9:35 pm:        {Howdy Hannah, Rally some new folk ta come on to the Carman New Day thread cause its real lonely in there an people is gettin' frightened off by the likes of HFL. I gotta keep my mind on more positve things but I'll be back when my darlin' lets me or the Lord compels me. I hope to hear some good preachin' an prophecy outta Juanita again someday. Seems like ifn ya get too close to TBN leaders, sad ta say, an I'm only sayin' seems like...the person starts ta compromise the message to fit in at some point. Gonna go find me some fresh orange juice an boost my vitamin C. Good Night Miss an Y'all.}   godsgirlshuryl (godsgirlshuryl) New member Username: godsgirlshuryl Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 152.163.101.12 Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 10:01 pm:        }=Psalms 119:11 says, I have hidden you in my heart that I might not sin against you. Romans 12:4-5 says, Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. Galatians 5:16,22-23 So I say live by the spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. I state these scriptures to say that we also need to be mindful who are we to judge and everything that is not in christ will come back to those who does wrong. As for Juanita Bynum I believe she is lead by the Lord and she has a great ministry and we need to be mindful that she is still human and we as humans tend to fall back into our old nature. So as a body of christ we need to pray for Sister Bynum and her ministry. Also we need to be prayful of ourselves. For Sister Bynum might charge $500 for a emergency kit that kit will change many souls and if I could I would purchase the kit myself. For I know that there are some things in that kit that I can apply to my life daily. So stop being judgemental and pray, pray, pray for yopur blessing. Even if you were upset about one of her speeches be prayful because she might have been going through something and she preached on that particular situation and others might have been going through that same thing. Just ber prayerful. I love you and so does God. (Message edited by GodsGirlShuryl on February 15, 2005)   billiefan2000 (billiefan2000) New member Username: billiefan2000 Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 67.130.119.210 Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 5:37 pm:        While listening to the Bible Answer-man I heard Juanita Bynum say that God has not moved through and used a person like He is through her since He gave the book of Revelation to the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos! Juanita Bynum also appears on TBN and Daystar during their Praise-A-Thon's to fleece the sheep promising blessings to those that give money. http://www.myfortress.org/JaunitaBynum.html On a side note,I think she is a ego-maniac,cause she and her supporters demand she be called Prophtess Juanita Bynum-Weeks.   jay_jay (jay_jay) New member Username: jay_jay Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 67.126.241.181 Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 4:22 am:        I haven't seen her husband lately. Where is he? Is he?   animal_rights (animal_rights) New member Username: animal_rights Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 144.138.94.45 Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 4:46 am:        I am soooo not a chritian i am far from it but listening to this stuff (well reading) is quiet interesting!   peace_that_passes (peace_that_passes) New member Username: peace_that_passes Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 70.93.28.185 Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 5:46 am:        Animal Rights, you would sooooooooooooo love being a real Christian. When its authentic its the best. The presence of God is unbelievable and extremely cool. Talking to Jesus when He comes into your heart and forgives your sins is the most comforting, thrilling, private and sometimes public wonder. God gives you inspiration, dreams from Him sometimes, new friends, strength, wisdom, and there are times when He really does heal people. Juanita Bynum is interesting. Sometimes she is gentle and sings beautiful songs about God under the anointing that falls on her. Sometimes she is screaming and warning and feels condeming. She has come a long way in life in her relationship with God and ministering. I don't like everything about her. But she is respected by some very reputable ministers. She had an awesome wedding in New York and has come a long way from poverty and addiction. Her husband is in fulltime ministry too, I don't know what he is doing these days outside of his church. Which thread do you find the most interesting and why? God Bless You nice to hear from you. I love to photograph animals especially large one like giraffes and rhinos. What kind of animals do you have?   walk_in_it (walk_in_it) New member Username: walk_in_it Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.59.134.2 Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 8:16 pm:        I really can appreciate what Godsgirl stated---- Juanita has been a real blessing to me and even if she had not been I would never choose to speak against her because the Bible specifically warns us not to touch the Lord anointed. David had the opportunity to kill Saul but didn't because he understood that the Lord instructed us not to touch the Lords anointed and to do his PROPHETS NO HARM!!! Some of the things that have been said on this site I pray God will forgive you for. I've come to understand that with a high calling such as Juanita's comes great persecution but TO GOD BE THE GLORY. We all sometimes get offended when people say things the way we feel it should not have been said but if GOD instructed her to say it the way she did then who are you to question this!!! Understand that the Lord disciplines those that he loves. it was said by someone in this chat room that a PROPHET OF OLD came to expose, hears and sees sin and is there to tell us what God wants to do and what we need to do to get there. A PROPHET comes to tear down----- so if you are looking for nice sweet "I love yous" to come out of the mouth of a Prophet then you will be utterly disappointed. Ephesians 4:11-12 States " And he gave some, apostles;and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of christ. The Five Fold is the hand of God there to "grow the saints up" The apostle is the visionary, the prophet tears down and builds back up, the evangelists are the encouragers and naturally bring in the sheep. The Pastor will watch over you and the teacher will break the complicanted things of GOD down in a format that is easy for you to swallow. We all need to pray for more fear of the Lord and respect toward those who are the followers of the Lord. I pray that God would do an eye opening work amongst all of us because the consequences of this can be great. Godbless   mksugumaran (mksugumaran) Member Username: mksugumaran Post Number: 69 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 210.212.245.147 Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 6:36 am:        God spoke for Lodelia / office of the prophet, He/She is not the one who speak out my real words. He/she is speaking something which are irrelevent to the power of God. I may have to punish him if it is going on in the wrong way. But you people do not worry about what he/she speaks and their is no truth in the prophecies propagated by him/her.   officeofprophet (officeofprophet) Member Username: officeofprophet Post Number: 53 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 216.47.136.187 Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:22 am:        WITHIN THE GATHERING OF THE PEOPLE,THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS GIVEN PROPHET INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO PROCEED! YOUR COMMENT DOES NOT FALL INTO A CATEGORY WHERE RESPONSE IS REQUIRED,UNDER THOSE INSTRUCTIONS. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW... IN SERVICE,MINISTER PROPHET LODELIA TATE OFFICE OF PROPHET   mksugumaran (mksugumaran) Member Username: mksugumaran Post Number: 77 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 210.212.245.147 Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 4:10 am:        Dear Lodelia, Your Prophecies, assignments from God, messages from God can only receive God's comments as above only.I repeat below also. God spoke for Lodelia / office of the prophet, He/She is not the one who speak out my real words. He/she is speaking something which are irrelevent to the power of God. I may have to punish him if it is going on in the wrong way. But you people do not worry about what he/she speaks and their is no truth in the prophecies propagated by him/her.   mksugumaran (mksugumaran) Member Username: mksugumaran Post Number: 82 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 210.212.245.147 Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 2:01 am:        YOU SEE... SATAN HATES GOD!!! SATAN HATES JESUS!!! SATAN HATES THE HOLY SPIRIT!!! AND SATAN DISPISES MAN!!! HE WILL DO ALL IN HIS POWER TO DESTROY MAN! I never hate God and I love God and God also loves me! I never hate Jesus and I love Jesus and Jesus also loves me! I never hate Holy spirit and I love Holy spirit and Holy Spirit also loves me! Please see that Satan does not dispise You. He may use all his power to destroy you. Take care.   pselders (pselders) New member Username: pselders Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.9 Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 7:58 pm:        black christians use God and the bible to emotionally abuse folk all the time....folk are quick to say that God's word can be a two edge sword.....okay already....haven't we been stabbed with the cold blooded side on God's sword long enough?...what's worse is..it seems that we delight in believeing that God is as mean and spiteful as they come....that's fine....but when will the cruelity of this side of God end?.....i mean, just how long will God continue to knock us upside the head with this sword for being the flawed beings that "He" created us to be in the first place?.....when can we have the other side of God's sword?....the unconditionally loving, gentle and nurturing side of God?.....cause i'm bout to catch a nervous breakdown tryin to please the God of perfectionism.....i need a soft touch...a kind understanding God that will calm my fears and sweetly hold me regardless to whether i confess my mess-ups or one day miraculously get it all "right" or not....i choose to know the God that will love on me anyway and always...i choose the God that unconditionally forgives....God knows i'm ready to feel the Goodness of God and "Her"nurf sword....ain't you?...   trustnobey (trustnobey) New member Username: trustnobey Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 67.49.147.138 Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 10:17 pm:        Pselders; The Bible (and the God Who put it together) is full of comfort and edification, hope, joy, healing, wisdom that comes from God alone. There is a wonderful,soft touch and the admonition for gentleness, goodness, kindness, forgiveness. We are able to demonstrate these things by the power of HIS, Holy Spirit. We are taught and empowered to be kind one to another to be tenderhearted, forgiving one another. Prefering others above ourselves in love. Jesus gives us that ability and that strength, both in learning about him and making the sincere, successful effort to have His character and by supernaturally giving us power to be better and more loving people. There is discipline side to God also and it is necessary but never cruel or abusive. We all can be even in our thoughts if not in words or deeds because we are fallible, mankind with Adam's nature and the works of the flesh. There is a place for rebuke and a place for justice and reproof. Do you know the Scripture that says, "Reprove, rebuke, admonish and provoke to good works, with all diligence"? It depends on the person doing it that the person who is needing it or who is so tender that it feels crushing if not done in a gentle way. Its like Jesus said, "It is better to give than to receive". If you focus more on what you can give and how to be caring yourself, the mean people don't seem so mean. Don't base what you think of God and the Bible on a defensiveness or hurt about Juanita Bynum. She bugs me now and I think she has gone off into something that is not entirely of God. He is her judge and authority. Pray for her, forgive her. There are many Christians who are not deeply harsh or controlling and we are all harsh at times probably. God is everything you described and desire, except female ! God never refers to Himself as female. This is a witchcraft doctrine and New Age. "Peace I leave with you, a peace that the World cannot know." (Jesus) TrustNObey   pselders (pselders) New member Username: pselders Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.9 Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 10:18 pm:        thank you trustNObey, for your encouragement and your thoughtfulness... i agree....we all have harshness in us and do act on the harshness as well.... i just am saddened by the inordinate amount of harshness that we, as black christians, seem to heap upon ourselves and others all in the name of being Godly pruned and rebuked... it's just too one sided for me....too much hurt....too much pain....too much judgement....too much guilt....too much heartache....i just can't see that a loving God would want us to dwell so much on the negative side.... are we waiting for people to be flawless...well, i don't see that happening....since we were created imperfect people.... so.... can't we work on accepting ourselves as is....faults and all?....and find ways to uplift ourselves in spite of the fact that we will make mistakes all along the way?... i mean, God made us, imperfect and loves us just as we are....why don't we?....why don't we at least try? i heard of an african ritual that takes place when a person has done wrong....the tribe gathers in a circle and puts the transgressor in the middle....then one by one...each person in the circle remembers and states one good thing about that person....they recall acts of kindness....acts of selflessness....acts of heroism....round and round they go until no one can think of any other kind thing to say....when they are done....they examine all the good that the person has done in comparison to the harmful act.....it ends in a great celebration of the life of the violator....and forgiveness.... i wonder if God's utilizes this mode of operation much more often than the sword coming down on us for sining?.... i do see black christians celebrating the lives of people in trouble from time to time...but we can learn to lovingly help and/or hold one another while going through obvious crisis more often....like juanita bynum...to me....she is hurt, troubled and deeply confused about a great many things....all of the pain that she spews out onto people must exist somewhere deep inside of her in order for it to come out of her....i feel sorry for her...i do pray and will continue to pray for her...i ask that we all do the same.... lastly..... i am a bit concerned, trustNOBEY, about your thought that God can't be described or referred to as female...but i appreciate your saying so...it gives me an opportunity to share my thoughts about this.... my understanding and my belief is that we "all" are made in the image of God.....i am a female....if i am not made in the image of God....whose image am i made in?....whose image is any human being made in?.... all human beings have estrogen (female hormones) and testosterone (male hormones) running through our veins?....these hormones, both male and female, give us life.....without femaleness....we would not exist.....and yet we do exist..... female hormones greatly contribute to our existence....it is where our compassion comes from.....is God not compassionate?......this female image of God does exist....it is where our ability to nurture comes from......is God not nurturing?.....this female image of God does exist.....it is where our creativity comes from.....is God not a God of creation?....this female image of God does exist.....it is where our ability to be at peace comes from....is God not a God of peace?....this female image of God does exist?.... the inability to see or accept a female image of God goes very deep.....beside the fact that it would discount my life and lives of every women....making us separate, disconnected or outside of God somehow.....but it would explain why folk would have to dwell on the harshness and heaviness of God....When we see or acknowledge only a male image of God....we do see God as a strong and powerful God that will exact His revenge upon all of us for our misgivings......but.....we would belittle devalue or never even "imagine" "Her" with a soft, gentle touch that nurses us back to health, heart and healing.....and this makes my heart hurt.... i recognize that one of the reasons that many people find it so hard to concieve that God is "Herself" as well as "Himself" is because the vulnerabilty of femininity is considered to be weak and insignificant....it is considered to be a negative or pitiful trait by many....and in turn, women, who generally hold the predominance of this quality, are also thought of as weak and insignificant....and treated accordingly....this is done, however, out of ignorance... it is my hope today....that you and all who will read this post....will prayerfully consider that God really "Is All".... and that dear hearts, most definitely includes God Herself.... that's all for now.....take care.... blessings, ps   mksugumaran (mksugumaran) Member Username: mksugumaran Post Number: 85 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 210.212.245.147 Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 1:01 am:        YOU SEE... Jesus HATES Satan like Lodelia!!! Jesus HATES Satan like Lodelia!!! THE HOLY SPIRIT HATES Satan like Lodelia!!! AND SATAN DISPISES Lodelia!!! HE WILL DO ALL IN HIS POWER TO DESTROY Lodelia!   trustnobey (trustnobey) New member Username: trustnobey Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 204.210.113.44 Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 1:14 am:        hey mizz pselders, i am going to try the no caps thing its easier. ahhhh. i believe that being made in the image of God is more like being a creative being and having three dimensions contained in one being. mind body and spirit. also, we are so complex even our brains are wildly sophisticated in their design and function, our bodies and the rest of us reflect the immeasurable intelligence and greatness of God. the nature of our complex emotions and hormones is not a depiction of but a praise of the emormous,infalliable, awesomeness of God Himself. Jesus never referred to God as mother and mary the virgin was not divine. woman was formed from the entire side of man, (adam) and so on. without going into all of that God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Creator and not a creature. thangs like dat! i totally love that account of the african tradition. i got goosepimples hearing about it. it reminds me of many scriptures and that we are called to practice, shows me the image of God too. if the person in the middle seeks forgiveness from Jesus too, or learns that sometime, how much deeper and more significant would that be? you seem like a very interesting and caring person with many deep thoughts. i only come to fact net sometimes so if you don't hear from me it doesn't mean i am not listening. take care God bless you! "Eye has not seen, Ear has not heard and neither can a man (or woman) even imagine in his/her heart what great things God has in store for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose." (my favorite scripture) stay real now girl - you an me, we are the apple of His eye! (apple means the pupil and the most valuable part of the eye, can you dig that?)   trustnobey (trustnobey) New member Username: trustnobey Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 204.210.113.44 Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 1:25 am:        pselders, girrrrl you see the kind of crazies on here at night? i gotta go. Lord Jesus send some help!   mksugumaran (mksugumaran) Member Username: mksugumaran Post Number: 90 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 210.212.245.147 Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 1:39 am:        Satan in the name of Lodelia/Prophet sent/ Office of the Prophet is sending very wrong messages in this forum in the name of Jesus. Beware of the Great Satan Lodelia.   pselders (pselders) New member Username: pselders Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.9 Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 10:32 pm:        "Eye has not seen, Ear has not heard and neither can a man (or woman) even "imagine" in his/her heart what great things God has in store for those who love God and are called according to God's purpose." indeed.....and.....amen.... blessings and joy!. ps}   arron (arron) Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.200.93 Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 10:45 pm:        oh prophet ess... why dont you answer have i done went and rubbed you the wrong way   gods_love (gods_love) New member Username: gods_love Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 68.59.26.141 Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 3:54 am:        Pselders, you really do have a lot to learn in life and also to spiritually grow in God. The whole concept that you don't understand is that God bring us to it, just to bring us through it, (such as life yes we all do try to conquer all obstacles that tends to hinder us). But you must remember that the battle is not yours its the Lord’s, just remember that...When Jesus died on the cross for YOU and I. (God) He didn't regret it...yes he did suffered, yes he did bleed, yes he did died on the cross through crucifixion and he did arose on the 3rd day. Do you know his name? If not his name is Jesus, you must receive him, then you shall believe him for what he is. "Just except what God allows”. A pray for you: Dear Lord please show this young heart of yours the true way, and the way of love for you. Dear God please let this young heart of yours understand that it’s never too late for him/her just to receive you God. Please show this young heart that its not in man, whom we judge, let him/her know that you are the all time ruler of heaven and earth. And have the highest power ever, if you would just tease and see that God is real. Then child of God you will actually began to understand and obtain God fully. Believe me when you just try him its no more turning back. May peace and multitude be with you forever. Amen. Remember that “Thou will keep you in perfect peace, only if your mind is stayed on him (God).” }   sharon (sharon) Intermediate Member Username: sharon Post Number: 174 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 142.177.106.183 Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 1:48 pm:        themessiahiscoming .. Hello false prophet, You must give your crown to me as I predicted you would be back asking for money. I told my dog that last night. He did not think that you would but I said oh yes, she needs money to pay off her visa. So I will not click on any of your links. I also would like to mention that I will tell you the future for free . The messiah is coming to all and he does not need you to scream about it and spam everyone. You are making enemies instead of converts with your tactics. May God Be With You.   arron (arron) Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 128 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.45.188 Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 3:13 pm:        ludellia write to me here as i cant get the board you said   anony (anony) New member Username: anony Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.71.252 Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 1:17 pm:        "miss' prophet, Got news for you...the church IS in unity. If you think not, you're in the wrong place. But you're welcome into God's kingdom too. His kingdom is not divided. For someone who calls herself giving messages from God you sure don't know much about what He has already said.   arron (arron) Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.45.188 Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 4:48 pm:        ludellia please write to me in care of this post i cnat get the one you said write to   tasia (tasia) New member Username: tasia Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 64.26.67.254 Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 8:35 pm:        PROPHETESS BYNUM YOU KEEP ON PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD,I KNOW THAT GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO PREACH THE GOSPEL,AND THAT YOU ARE AN ANNOINTED WOMAN OF GOD.YOU PREACH IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON.KEEP ON DOING THE WORK GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO DO,REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY SAY ABOUT,THE BIBLE SAYS TO TOUCH NOT MY ANNOINTED AND DO MY PHROPHETS NO HARM.SO YOU BE BLESSED AND ENCOURAGE,JUST KNOW THAT GOD IS WITH YOU EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.I WATCH YOUR MINISTRY ALL THE TIME ON THE TBN NETWORK.ITS A JOY TO SEE YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YYOU ALWAYS HAVE A FRESH WORD FROM THE LORD.BE ENCOURAGED.}}}}   anony (anony) New member Username: anony Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.108.154 Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 9:25 pm:        Juanita Bynum is an opportunist. She might have started out OK but she got bit by the TV cameras and fame and money...just like many of the rest of them. If you can't see that by reading her website, I don't know what to tell you. The church needs to get over its worship of Christian TV 'stars'.   sthubert (sthubert) New member Username: sthubert Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 65.5.128.20 Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 12:12 pm:        It really is said that we can't just pray for one another. If we feel like a man or woman of God has gone a stray the bible says we are to restore such a one. Not put them down. I am really grieved... when I see my sisters and brothers of the Lord fighting against one and another. If you don't agree with what Prophetess Juanita Bynum is teaching turn off your TV and don't listen. Pray that she is restore to the Lord. Don't come to her web sight where unbelivers looking for an answer can see that Christian are no different than the world. We are to be a light unto a dying world. Come one let get this thing right. It is ok if we disgree but try to God in it ALL. }   anony (anony) New member Username: anony Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.250.241 Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 1:02 pm:        These people defy correction. And as long as the television cameras are in front of them and the money keeps rolling in, they will continue to. It is the responsibility of the Lord's Body to expose false teachers in defense of the faith. By her example Juanita is defying scripture that tells us ministers are not to be greedy for gain. Her website is proof that she darn well is. The church is loaded with these people today. Juanita is only one of many.   arron (arron) Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 200 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.45.188 Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 3:28 pm:        i must fisagree since i beleive in the gifts as is told in corinthians. i beleive there are true prophets today we should not however listen to every tom dick and harry that comes along we should prove them out   anony (anony) New member Username: anony Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.249.60 Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 5:49 pm:        Your problem, arron, is that you don't seem to know which are true prophets. If prophets are out of line with God's Word of scripture, they are false prophets. Most people today who call themselves prophets are false ones.   arron (arron) Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 205 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.45.188 Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 9:57 pm:        oh i have known some who proved to be out of GODS will when put to BIBLE tests   trsrinheaven (trsrinheaven) New member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.175.179.251 Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 11:27 am:        Studying, learning, and doing Gods word is the highest standard we have as children of God. The Apostle Paul referring to the highest importance of Gods word states in 2Peter 1:19 " I have a more sure word of prophecy". Prophecy is fine as long as it is in total agreement with the highest standard The BIBLE. Knowing and trusting Gods word over anything else (including but not limited to things such as prophecy, circumstance, signs and wonders, physical signs, etc) is the most important thing to follow. Psalms 138:2 God says "I magnify my word even above my own name". God's word is the most important thing. All the spiritual gifs are there to support God's word. Put Gods word FIRST in your life and you will never be deceived. Seek first the kingdom of God (and His word) and all these things will be added unto you. "Abide in Gods word and meditate on and let Gods word abide in you and you will be Jesus disciple indeed. Then you will know the TRUTH and THE TRUTH will make you free" John 8:32 God's word makes you and keeps you free. Know Gods word and make it a practice being led by the Holy Spirit in you to get better at it. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God these are the children of God" Romans 8:14   betty1 (betty1) New member Username: betty1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.54.137.146 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 3:36 pm:        If Juanita Bynum is a true prophet then, as the bible says, her prohesies from God will happen (and prove God is speaking thru her). Can ANYONE name one prophesy she made that came true? Anyone????????   mikko (mikko) Member Username: mikko Post Number: 63 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 4:36 pm:        i seen her on TBN's beg-a-thons...lots of emotionalism sensationalism .it seems these prophecies were centered around people who gave money to tbn ...i wonder why they never ever mention the persecuted church ??or giving to missionaries living abroad ????   anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.99.22 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 6:06 pm:        You hit the nail on the head, Mikko. These people are a self-serving bunch...too busy complaining that THEY are the persecuted for the criticism they get for being so self-serving ... too busy thinking up the next trick to maintain recognition and rake in the bucks to support their lusts for lavish living. I just read 1999 articles on another site that Pat Robertson owns (or owned at that time) 275,000 shares in Laura Ashley women's clothing...and that's only one of his incalculable number of investments. Paul Crouch decided one day to buy "just a few little shares" of a stock that he sold a short time later for a cool million. Hey, all in a day's work...financed out of pockets of the Lord's poor-to- middle class sheep. How's that for following Jesus Christ. Then to build the hospital in Haiti, etc etc, they reach again into the pockets of the Lord's sheep. They themselves could have financed the whole shebang out of petty cash.. Boy they have become master's at scamming the Body. It needs to start telling them NO MORE as long as as the Master's continue to enrich themselves at the same time. That would solve the whole embarrasing greedy televangelists problem overnight. Juanita's million dollar soap opera wedding alone could have bought a ton of fresh water wells for those poor people in Africa. And why doesn't James Robison hit on his own filthy rich friends? Sorry if I sound displeased. I didn't start out this way. But I have learned since I started investigating these people and all the stuff they are up to that they are nothing like I EVER expected them to be.   gsrh (gsrh) New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.15.27 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 12:10 pm:        I am right with you anony. I have never understood why people continue to give money to these people. I wonder if any of them ever feel any remorse. God bless them anyway. I pray for them. I give to local charities and I also give to people/families that I know that are in need. Even then I hardly give cash. I usually have them write a list of things that are needed and then I purchase the goods.   anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.79.122 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 2:16 pm:        I don't think any of them have a flicker of conscience and remorse. They are far past that. Bless you, gsrh, for praying for them. I can't even do that. Mature leaders in the Body have tried to talk to them about all of this, and they hate them for it. They aren't going to change a thing until they have to. Joyce Meyer was on a 'nice' little tear recently. In a couple of her programs she addressed her "complaining" critics as "jealous". Can you believe how shallow? They ought to know by now the heat on them is not going to let up. Barna reported recently that a million faithful Christians a year are leaving the church. I believe televangelism's influence on local churches plays a part in this. Yes, there are so many worthy places to give just in one's own community. I do what you do, gsrh, and what a inexpressible blessing it is. Providing people needs is what brings the true blessing I think.   mikko (mikko) Member Username: mikko Post Number: 68 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 2:34 pm:        should we pray for the moneychangers that are in the temple ???   anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.79.122 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 2:54 pm:        They have required rebuke and correction which they have gotten and spurned....as do all money changers in the temple I suppose.   anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.79.122 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 3:00 pm:        Quote: "While listening to the Bible Answer-man I heard Juanita Bynum say that God has not moved through and used a person like He is through her since He gave the book of Revelation to the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos!" ______________________________________________ If she actually said this, this woman is deranged.   mikko (mikko) Member Username: mikko Post Number: 70 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 3:05 pm:        how about some of the churches leadership that invested in ponzi schemes then when they were found out ,they blamed the guy that sold them the idea and tried to sue   gsrh (gsrh) New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 21 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.15.27 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 3:18 pm:        Funny how it is ok to defraud and delude people until it happens to them. I feel that a lot of people/things are about to be exposed. I am just sitting back, watching and praying. They know that they are selling false hopes and dreams. They know that they are marketers and advertisers for their personal gain. Most of them don't even believe what they teach/preach. How many of them have ever held a 'real' job? (And I am talking about being with the same employer for at least 3 years.) Being paid by the pastor is not what I consider a real job either. They tell their parishioners to pray about varying difficulties that arise when you are employed and that God will see them through (No weapon formed....), but have they really endured these hardships? Their difficulties arise when someone speaks out against them. Then they want to condemn and curse that person/people not understanding that they are really cursing themselves. This whole thing is ridiculous. When are people going to take responsibility for their (non) actions. Many people blame Satan (the enemy, demons, etc.) when they should be blaming themselves. I don't want to go on and on but I get so frustrated when I see the perpetual ignorance. Many church leaders discourage people from using common sense and then tell them that they lack faith when their world falls down. The hypocrisy is amazing. They convince them that they can conquer the world and then when they fail, they tell them that they don't have enough faith. Many people have left the church and this is just the tip of the iceberg.   gsrh (gsrh) New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.15.27 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 3:21 pm:        Not everything is supernatural.   anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.79.122 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 5:41 pm:        I don't think they believe what they preach and teach either, gsrh. Most of them are into saying and doing what is necessary to acquire worldly significance and power. They have left the love of the truth and are deceived and deceiving.   inthetwinklingofaneye (inthetwinklingofaneye) Junior Member Username: inthetwinklingofaneye Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 204.210.113.69 Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 4:15 am:        Anony, Pat Robertson. He is not a bad person or a charlatain. He was dirt poor, moved his whole family small kids to virginia beach based on God's leading years ago. They all lived on soy beans and hated it for years. He had a prophecy which has come to pass. He then bought a TV station small old and for like 700 dollars or somthing. He obeyed God for years, struggled and finally things became fruitful more and more. Then, he founded and staffed three of them most high caliber Universities in the World and a Law School that is producing really the best lawyers in the nation. Jay Sekulow is affliliated with them and he fights for Christian rights in the Supreme Court. The School of Communications is one of the best in the world. Real. So, he buys stocks and increases his holdings. That isn't wrong AT ALL MY PEEP, that is good steward ship. He founded the Flying Hospital which went to third world countries and performed operations with doctors volunteering. Even eye transplants. You are not right on this one girrrrrrrrrrrrl. He has given and ministered by fars more than he has ever took. He is accountable, has leadership counseling and praying and spear heads so many good things that are above reproach. Look deeper. Proverbs 31 tells the woman to be an investor. You shouldn't not hate money in the hands of good stewards. The Bible says that God will transfer the wealth of the wicked to the hands of the rightous. He has done more good than so many people in the entire world. You seems a little prejudice sis. Checks and balance. Does anyone have proof that Juanita Bynum had an affair? That was when? I don't believe that she is a real prophet. I believe she is an encourager and was booted up by Black Preachers who thought because she had the gift of encouragement and had a testimony was a prophet. She said that she prophesied ovah Gina Pearson, Carlton's wife and that she was going to be a speaker and teach women about the things of God. Well unless she teaches the Bible and not Universalism against her own husband that is either a late prophecy or a false one. When Juanita sings to God, it is anointed and moving. When she starts castigating, and yelling and her eyes turn black and she warns about different forms of submission to different things every two years or so, it is hard to listen at all. I do not know of any prophecies she has spoken that came true. There could be. I saw her at Rod Parsely's conference on TV a couple of years ago and she said that if anyone cursed his daughter that they would be struck dead. ????????? BiBi   mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 103 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 2:39 pm:        why would someone curse his daughter ?? thats weird have they forgot what Jesus said ..turn the other check ...threaten not ...forgive...   gsrh (gsrh) Junior Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.162.52.69 Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 12:36 pm:        They all need to repent. Parsley is only cursing himself. I find it interesting how they use idle threats to control people. The worse part is that people don't read the bible and learn for themselves that these threats have no merit. We have a right to question people and their motives.   anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.78.241 Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 6:46 pm:        They love their little bully tv pulpits and spitting wacky threats at people. Makes em feel IMPORTANT.Juanita acts deranged to me. They're a wierd bunch.   anony (anony) Junior Member Username: anony Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.78.241 Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 7:04 pm:        Twinklingeye, Who is anyone to say Pat Robertson is a 'bad' person. But if you will research him, he's into some stuff that's wrong. His school is a training center for his Kingdom Now agenda, for training Christians to take over the US government. Christians who agree with him, that is. Those who don't have a tough time ahead at their hands if they get their way. In this endeavor he and many other evangelical and charismatic leaders are hooked into the Catholic Papacy that has the same agenda for the US and the world. If you don't think that is a danger to the world, take a look at church history and see what happened the last time the Papacy got power over civil governments. I don't trust Pat Robertson for a minute, nor any of the top leadership of the church today. They are all into this and we are in a serious time in history. Christians better get strong and mature in their faith if they're not and be ready to stand alone for what they believe if necessary. We are in a very serious time.   hasanamonique (hasanamonique) New member Username: hasanamonique Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 209.36.244.254 Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 5:16 pm:        How do you know that God has anointed her? Anyone can say that God has anointed them. God gave Samuel the task of anointing King David when he was a boy, David did not proclaim it himself. David had to go through several trials to get to his promised Kingdom, including many death threats. But he did it with grace and mercy. Not once did he go around claiming to be a prophet or anointed when he KNEW that the LORD our GOD had chosen him. If she really is anointed, God will protect her and sustain her and no one will be able to tear down that which the LORD has established. What prophecies have she proclaimed and that were fulfilled? What is done in the dark will always be revealed in the light! As a child of Christ, you should NEVER follow any man, but the LORD alone. The only thing you should but your reputation online to protect is the LORD and his WORD. Because in this spiritual battle, even your own son will forsake you. You should read 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel as examples of characteristics of God’s anointed’s May the Lord our God continue to bless you   jubilant (jubilant) New member Username: jubilant Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 204.210.114.180 Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 3:07 am:        Monique, We have a good friend, who we have known for more than fifteen years and they have had 100% accurate, come true prophetic words for years. Three weeks back the Holy Spirit spoke to them and said without a doubt that Juanita Bynum is not a real prophet. She operates in the gift of Encouragement and is not a real or in the Body, a governmental prophet. She has been way off so many times and her temperment is not holy. She hears the Lord direct her but so can really anyone if they want to and submit to God and pray and fast. Wasn't it Carlton Pearson who said she was a prophet and then later she "prophesied" about his wife being a successful public speaker for Christ? TD Jakes liked her message No Sheets and it may have been a flow of the prophetic move of God in the church at that time. She has a calling like each of us do. There are some people who think they are prophets when they are encouragers who move in the seasonal prophetic flow of God. She has been wrong about too many things and she goes from one extreme to another, and if she is not rebuking Jan Crouch, she is not a real prophet. Who can rebuke Jan? Being the Program Director of a large TV network does not mean authority given by or entrusted with from God. She should submit to Apostolic and Prophet authorities and a Pastor who does not serve her purposes and her husbands and the network but the the Lord's. Juanita's new connection to Jan is a red flag. What is Juanita's real motives and what are Jan's? Now the religious people will come out of the woodwork and speak the witchcraft and superstition of never saying anything that is critical of those in power positions in public ministry. Those people are more accountable for their actions and motives than nobodies. That is in the Bible we all read. It is strange how Juanita yells warnings and death threats and severe obedience to church fathers doctrine, and then she says on TBN suddenly that prophecy should not correct or condemn. It is painful spiritually to listen to her teach or scream and it is confusing in a way the way she switches positions and people every three years. Why is she bringing up Carlton Pearson and getting people to respect him, when as a prophet if she was one and she really isn't, she should be warning the Body. Inclusive of TBN's viewer's. She could get people to inadvertantly go to his website and get deceived there. She is not someone we would listen to again. JUBi   graceful (graceful) New member Username: graceful Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.72 Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 5:41 pm:        I believe that as "Christians" we need to not judge each other, why would a non-believer want anything to do with someone calling themselves a christian when all we do is shot one another when we are going through or dealing with a sin. It amazes me how we forget where we came from and our own struggles with sin in our life, the last time I looked I still was covered with flesh and washed in the blood of Jesus. When you have reached millions of people for Christ and have been used to save and deliver millions of people, then you can pull the plank out of someone's eye who has. You have no idea what a General in God's army faces in battle - until you yourself are a General. Why can't we as christians do what God says and love one another and pray for one another and we don't have to agree with everything, but we do have to NOT talk about the anointed and called man or woman of God. }}   gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 52 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.162.52.69 Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 12:33 pm:        We have every right to question these so called 'Generals.' How else are we to know who the false prophets are? Everyone who has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour is 'anointed.' What makes these charlatans anointing more poignant? Who made that determination? It's not about tearing someone down, it's about holding them accountable for their actions. I used to have some admiration for Juanita but that has since withered. It seems as though the money and a couple of personal issues has clouded her vision and dulled her anointing (in my opinion). I only see them anointing and pronouncing that anointment on each other (that little inner circle). You would be surprised if you knew what really happened and what is really being said behind closed doors. They are human like the rest of us. They have sins in their lives. I have sin in mine. Most of them are not honest about being human, having frailties, and being fallible. They neglect to tell you about their shortcomings. But they are quick to condemn and chastise you about your shortcomings. Peter walked on water...why do most Christians feel as though they are walking on eggshells? I thought we were supposed to be 'free' in Christ. They pronounce judgement and curses on the people. They have no right or authority to do such things. But people believe and fall for it. They have instilled fear and trepidation in the masses. They have also misinterpreted scriptures. They have also used the Word of God as a means gaining lavish socio-economic gains. When I say they, I truly do not mean all. Some of these people have been ordained by men and some have been ordained by God and have lost their way. They are setting up dynasties. It's absolutely ludicrous. Regarding non-believers not wanting to have anything to do with "Christians" because of the bickering. I don't really blame them. However, define Christian....just because you go to church every Sunday, that doesn't make you a Christian. That's called having nothing else to do and going to church out of habit and tradition. There are "Christians" who will NOT grace a sanctuary. The church is inside of us. I know people who will NOT grace a sanctuary but could discuss the Word of God eloquently and more fluently than most "Christians" including some that are in the pulpit. They tired of the constant bickering and hyprocrisy. They praise and serve God everyday and do not have to submit themselves to the inner fighting, greed, hypocrisy, etc. There is no perfect church. However, why can't you just go and get fed the Word of God, fellowship in peace, break bread together, study the bible, go home, go to work and live and let live? Why is that so difficult? Juanita is not perfect, neither are you and neither am I.   shavon (shavon) New member Username: shavon Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.95.67.11 Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 9:58 pm:        Hello. I'm Shavon and I'm 17 years old. I'm a Christian. And, one thing that WE as Christians should know is that, it is easy to point the finger at others... Like Juanita Bynum...Easy to name every fault of people on TV because they live their lives under a microscope...with tabloids and everything else going around that WE like to feed off of everyday and just run with it. And, If any of the things that you say are true about this woman, it only confirms that she as a human will make mistakes, and that she as a follower of Christ will just have to continue to strive for PERFECTION everyday. But, I say to you all. How dare you sit here and state all of these things.... say that you're not pointing any fingers but you have the right to hold them accountable to what she says.... Did she ever come to you personally and say, I had an affair... or did she ever say that she didn't find any fault in Jan Crouch?!?!?!? I'm sure that every one of your answers will be NO... I mean, unless you want to lie. When did the time come that the people of the Church (not of God) began making attempts in tearing down other people. You say that she’s in it for the money… she had a 1 million dollar wedding…. She’s just greedy and yada yada yada…. Is it a sin for her to want the best? God said “Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.” She has given so much. It’s amazing! And So, she asks her Father, Her God, OUR GOD, to bless her with a Beautiful wedding, and YOU people want to shame her for that!!!! Answer this question ladies… If you’re Daddy knows that you are about to get married, and He offers to spend a million dollars, would you not except?!?!?!? And, men, If there’s a friend of yours that loves you deeply… and offers to give you a million dollars to spend it on your future wife’s “Big Day”, …. Would you not accept it? We, all would, I know I would. That’s because WE as God’s children deserve the very best and I agree with Joyce Meyers…when she says that they are jealous… OH… Is it wrong for a Godly woman to speak the truth? If someone is jealous of her, can she not mention it? When people have things that you want, things that you want deeply…and you can’t have because you’re not in that place where you should be in God, or it’s just not God’s will for you to have… whether you admit it or not, you’re going to become jealous of what they’ve got! Because you don’t have it. I praise God for RICH Christian Folks… God doesn’t want us to live in poverty… and the moment that we become rich and do something for ourselves, everyone wants to label you as selfish…just forget the things that you have offered up to God, forget your sweat, tears, and pain that you have lived through, forget the many blessings that you have blessed others with because God blessed you, forget the battles you had to go through to even get to where you are at… Forget everything…. The problem of this world today is, we don’t want to see others prosper if we’re not benefiting from it. Oh well… that’s just plain jealousy and envy that you need to pray and ask the Lord to take away from you…. And, before I go… just to mention this subject about whether or not she is a real prophet... because you haven’t seen any of her prophesies come to pass… Where have you people been for these past years… decade even at that?!?!? You choose to see what you want to see and you choose to hear what you want to hear… you pick out single prophesies that (you say) haven’t come to pass and deems her title as unworthy and not befitting. Before you say that none of her prophesies have come to pass… count for me, tell me, name me EVERY single one that she has spoke out of her mouth from these 20+ years that she’s been serving God! Only, then do have the right to speak on that subject…. But, You can’t can you? Juanita Bynum is a woman of God, she has a history, just like all of us, but she also has a future, and a vision of how she’s going to get there. Don’t knock her for keeping it real and preaching that you’ll go to hell if you don’t get your life right! I know I would want you to tell me if I was…. It only shows that she’s really concerned about God’s people. She may have mess up and didn’t watch the way that she said some things, and so many people end up misinterpreting it…especially the ones that already have something against her… But the fact is, she said what was true… If her heart was in the right place, then that’s what she will be held accountable for because that’s what God looks at. The Heart… And I think that it’ time for some of you to be created all over again to get a clean one. I love her for her ministries and I admire her for her wealth too! I may not have enough money to have a million dollar wedding when I get married, but, I’m still becoming rich in the Lord. Blessings to everyone! ~~~Shavon~~~ Oh, and by the way... If there are things that are going on that she can not see or haven't seen, it's okay... She's not the only prophet in this land... There should be (not sure if there is though)... but there should be other prophets out there that does have that shrewdness for those shortcomings of others... and they can tell her. She doesn't know everything... although you expect her to.   david_munson (david_munson) Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 252 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.128.68 Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 4:41 pm:        The real problem is the lack of discernment in the body of Christ concerning false prophets/prophetesses. People are running around looking to have their ears tickled instead of studying to show themselves approved. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. As to prophets in these last days: Ezekiel 13:1-23 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD. Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies? Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. There is the gift of prophecy that still works in the church,but it is not the toy that most are playing with today. Baruch Habbah Hashem Adonia, Dave}   mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 188 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 5:42 pm:        ''well hath Isaiah prophesied of you these people worship me with their mouth but their heart is far from me ''   david_munson (david_munson) Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 255 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.112.156 Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 8:52 pm:        True,very true.}   gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 68 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.14.14.209 Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 9:03 pm:        She has a new website up. You must enter a name and email address to enter the site. I am sure they will enjoy my entries. :-) Of course she is singing...uh....nothing. Funny how the first page that you encounter is peddling goods. I did not see anything about Jesus anywhere. They are advertising a Flow Records...I guess it is safe to assume the she and her husband now own and run record and publishing companies. "A gifted vocalist and entrepreneur, Dr. Bynum is establishing an exciting new venture, Flow Records, with the Summer 2005 release of hew newest worship CD, A Piece of My Passion." Turn the annoying music off.   david_munson (david_munson) Intermediate Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 500 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.159.120.72 Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 1:44 am:        Very revealing isn't it? Makes me think of money changers. Not that I am against a person making an honest buck,I'm not. BUT the gospel of Christ is free and not for sale. Sure,I realise that some types of media require money to operate,yet to make profit from the Word of God is not biblical. Use what you need and no more when it concerns God's Word. Dave}   anony (anony) Member Username: anony Post Number: 79 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.245.202 Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 6:05 pm:        So true, Dave. Btw, where did Juanita get her 'doctorate'? If she didn't just bestow the title on herself, I bet it was another Oral Roberts cheap 'honorary' give away. He gives them to all his WoF cronies to misrepresent themselves to the Lord's Body.   laluvchyl (laluvchyl) New member Username: laluvchyl Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 65.1.81.4 Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 8:01 pm:        The bible says," touch not mine annointed and do my prophets no harm." Judge not lest ye be judged people. Even though some of you may feel that Dr. Bynum is not "fit" to preach God's word, HE may feel she's is more than qualified. That may also be why he's using her and not you. If you think that she is so bad or such a big sinner, don't talk about her, just pray for her. And also, if she did commit adultery, that's between her, her husband and God; it is not for us to persacute and belittle her with foolish talk. What are you all{stone throwers} doing so great for God's kingdom? All this talk about Juanita Bynum is sensless and shameful. It's not even about Juanita, IT'S ALL ABOUT GOD! When he is through using her, and he is in a mighty way, he will remove her from where she is. It won't be you and it won't be me. Just think about how you would feel if you were in her shoes, would you be able to handle all this criticism? He that is without sin let him cast the first stone! (Message edited by laluvchyl on August 07, 2005)   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.240.126 Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 8:17 pm:        If you can't see for yourself on her website that she is a merchandizer of the Lord's Body, nothing will open your eyes.   laluvchyl (laluvchyl) New member Username: laluvchyl Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 65.1.81.4 Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 12:01 pm:        What is it about the money she has and makes? Is it that you are jealous? If you had what she has would you then still complain? Tell me how is that you take care of your house? Is it with MONEY? How about the car you drive? How does your employer pay you for your work? Tell me how the church that you attend pays their bills and their staff? Could it possibly be with money? Well what is it that you think she needs? The woman is a world renound spiritual speaker, and no matter how you want to look at it, she still needs money to operate effectively. She can't eat, she can't travel, she can't pay her staff and she can't bless or be a blessing without money. It is really easy to say things about people with money especially when you are the one without it. We have all the answers for how they should use it and what they shoulda', coulda' woulda' done with it. But, none of us know what it took for her to get where she is, nor do we know what it takes for her to stay where she is. It looks one way on the outside, but it's totally something else on the inside. If she wanted to bless you personally with a spiritual and FINANCIAL way, then you would see her in a diffrent light. She would then probably be the most annointed prophet you have ever seen in your life and you could swear she sits on the right hand of God. But, because it's not likely that will happen and she's going to keep all that money for herself, she's a money-grubbing false prophet who's not of God. Be careful what words the foolish tongue speaks. You don't know the cost of the oil in Mrs. Bynum's Alabaster Box. If she is not doing this to the glory of God, then he will judge her. It is not our job to condemn her. God bless you!!!!   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 136 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.240.126 Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 12:35 pm:        What people won't say to defend the indefensible. But if you don't mind making HER rich at your and other middle and low income folks' expense, send her all you got for all I care! ;) In the meantime, you could take a look at what scripture says about the issue. Uh huh. If you're interested in what God says....   saltshaker4life (saltshaker4life) New member Username: saltshaker4life Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.173.211.17 Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 1:45 am:        Just an answer to the question if anyone knew of any of Juanita Bynum's prophecies coming to pass. I know of some. In 1997 she spoke quite a few things over my pastors and my church and every last one of them have come to pass!   judah_16 (judah_16) New member Username: judah_16 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 166.82.155.96 Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 12:50 am:        Oh my, my, my, my,my. I'm Judah, I'm sixteen and I am a Christian and I can imagine this scene reflecting the scene of Caiphus and the high priest plotting and arguing over the affairs of Jesus. It seemed like the persecuters had won seeming that Yeshua was crucified but thanks to Adonai, the Christ was resurrected and is alive today and is available to all who seek Him. I could not believe some of the things I read in these posts. Juanita Bynum is a beautiful lady filled with the anointing of G-d. Even after being warned, there are still people on here condeming and passing judgement but with whose power and whose authority? I'm for any person whose laying down their life, and reputation for the love of Christ. I cannot sit back here worrying about what such and such and so evangelist is doing. Let up on Juanita. She is G-d's responsibility. There are still so many hungry Christians and thirsty unbelievers who have yet to even catch a glimpse of G-d's love and glory. Here is a prophecy: We're running out of time. Christ is on his way back to gather His bride and kids. THERE IS NO TIME. I cannot sit back here talking and judging about how good or bad someone was because they hurt my feelings or something didn't look right or feel right to me. It's not about my opinion or what I felt. It's not my place to point out and judge. That's G-d's job and he does a good job at it along with healing, forgiving, protecting and nurturing. I'm fighting the good fight along with all the other blood-boughts. May G-d's love be with us all forever and a Day Peace,   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 236 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 12:16 am:        Why is it that when someone points out a problem with a ministry or minister, THEY become the problem? Why is it that when those who see through deception and falsehood try to shed light into darkness, they are labeled bitter, jealous, fault-finding? Why is it that those whose chosen purpose in life is to spread the Gospel and make disciples of Jesus are scorned by those whose only purpose in life is to "prosper" by acquiring more things and money? Cybermom   iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.247 Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 1:00 pm:        Cybermom- I'm dealing with this on the other Juanita page as well. I'd like to share some of what I spoke to another individual, as I believe it applies to this page as well. Love is not an "ooey, gooey" feeling. No, love is more than a feeling. Love is ACTION. Love speaks the truth, regardless of whether or not a person agrees with it. How else do you call a wolf a wolf? Or tell somebody that their teachings are hell-bound? Would you rather I sugar coat it and tell somebody "well, maybe, maybe you might go to hell, or maybe she's a wolf, although she might devour your soul, go ahead and believe what the woman teaches or prophesies".... Now on top of being in pride, you accuse me of no love. Paul exposed the lies and falsehoods of those who were misleading the sheep. As did Peter, John and Jesus Himself. Jesus didn't mince His words about wolves. Neither did the apostles. They were not interested in the opinions of men, but rather were showing their love by their deeds, by their willingness to endure the insults and ridicule of those who opposed the truth. When I see a two year old standing in the street with a mac truck getting ready to run him over, I'm not going to sit there and say "Johnny, sweetheart, please get out of the street honey. I know you like trucks, aren't they neat? But sweetie, the road just isn't the place to play with trucks. Now honey, I don't want you to worry about that truck that's heading towards you, don't even look at it... I don't want to scare you. I want you to be at peace. But sugar, I'm only trying to help you. Please, get out of the road."......no! But rather I would jump in myself and knock the kid to the side of the road! You can laugh at this scenario and say it doesn't apply to this situation, but it does in every way. If you honestly believe that somebody is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that wolf is leading people to hell, would you really be loving the sheep by petting them, pumping up their ego, being nice to them, giving them candy, (or I guess in a sheep's case, really green grass, lol), OR WOULD YOU TAKE A ROD, SMACK THE WOLF UPSIDE THE HEAD, AND SNATCH THE SHEEP FROM IT'S CLUTCHES? Sure it hurts! But look at the PRECIOUS life (as you put it), that is SAVED. THAT IS REAL LOVE. Honest, genuine non-candy coated LOVE. I'm not going to ever mislead a person about the likes of Juanita Bynum, and you shouldn't either. I don't care how many prophecies of hers that MAY have came to pass, they are not of God. She misleads people to serve money. Now I know where my heart is, and so does God. My motivation IS love. And yes, God does choose to work through this clay of mine. I don't need your commendation to continue to minister as God has decided to use me.   iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.247 Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 1:25 pm:        I just can't pass up these comments.... "The bible says," touch not mine annointed and do my prophets no harm.".......... Juanita Bynum, I TOUCH YOU!! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, QUIT ROBBING GOD'S SHEEP! QUIT LEADING THEM TO HELL!! QUIT SPREADING YOUR DAMNABLE DOCTRINES OF DEMONS!!! As far as touching "God's" anointed, Juanita Bynum, QUIT TOUCHING THE ANOINTED ONE HIMSELF!!!!!!! Judge not lest ye be judged people...... Oh please people, do judge! Judge whether or not this woman is teaching damnable heresies and misleading sheep to hell. JUDGE says my God! And my God will COMMEND YOU FOR IT, even as He did the Bereans, and even as Jesus does in the book of Revelation! Even though some of you may feel that Dr. Bynum is not "fit" to preach God's word, HE may feel she's is more than qualified..... That's a lie straight from the pit of hell. She is NOT qualified. God does not KNOW her. Who is this woman robbing God's sheep? We are not talking about 'FEELINGS' here, this is straight, gut wrenching TRUTH. That may also be why he's using her and not you...... God is using EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this forum who is exposing Juanita Bynum as a false prophetess. He is NOT using Juanita Bynum. She is of her father the devil. She is a liar, murderer and a thief. If you think that she is so bad or such a big sinner, don't talk about her, just pray for her........ and with that kind of attitude, how many sheep will wind up in hell for following her, WITHOUT a warning? And also, if she did commit adultery, that's between her, her husband and God; it is not for us to persacute and belittle her with foolish talk............ WHAT????? If that woman committed adultery, who is she to exalt herself as a prophetess while in such a sin? REMOVE THE WICKED MAN/WOMAN FROM YOUR MIDST SAYS THE LORD. What are you all{stone throwers} doing so great for God's kingdom?............ Stone throwers? If that woman, claiming to know God, and not just know Him, but to be His mouthpiece, is actually guilty of adultery WHILE claiming these things, she needs to be removed from her position. Not just for this reason alone, but many others as well! All this talk about Juanita Bynum is sensless and shameful............. Yes, it is totally shameful that there are some of God's kids who are not wise enough to see through the likes of Juanita Bynum or her kind. But God is faithful to raise up spititual Mom's and Dad's to spank some of these wayward kids, and hopefully SPARE THEIR SOULS IN THE JUDGMENT THAT'S SURELY COMING. It's not even about Juanita, IT'S ALL ABOUT GOD!................ Puke. Yes, PUKE! It is all about Juanita. Where is God in her pukey, trashy, money grubbing theology? Where is God? He is not backing that woman up. He doesn't even KNOW HER. When he is through using her, and he is in a mighty way, he will remove her from where she is............... The only usage God is getting out of Juanita Bynum is testing the body of Christ to see where their loyalty lies, either with Him, or money. My only semi-agreement with you is, when He is good and ready, He will remove her. AND I pray that it is VERY soon. It won't be you and it won't be me. Just think about how you would feel if you were in her shoes, would you be able to handle all this criticism?................. What kind of criticism is that woman enduring, while she lives in her guilded palace, up on her high pedastal of fame and limelight? She receives the accolades of men, but not of her God. Although she believes she is acknowledging Him, she doesn't know Him. Any who expose her are sound and just in their judgment. He that is without sin let him cast the first stone!"............... The woman caught in adultery had never came to Christ before. How can you compare her to someone like JB who claim to know God. Not only KNOW HIM, but SPEAK for Him as well! She not only needs a stone, she needs a rod, right upside her spiritual noggin!   iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 24 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.123.117 Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 2:02 pm:        I'm not letting these comments go either, lol............ What is it about the money she has and makes?.......... Yes, what is it? What in the world is a woman who can blow a million dollars on a wedding doing by demanding money from God's faithful POOR children? Yes, please explain that to everyone listening here. She is rich, and according to the word of God, SHOULD be rich in assisting the poor brethren, NOT ROBBING THEM!!! Juanita Bynum is the epitome of robbery and evil. Is it that you are jealous?............ I believe it is YOU who are jealous. Justifying a wolf like Juanita it's obvious that you are longing for the treasures that she claims you can have. Earthly treasures, where moth, rust and thief destroy. Look at what Jesus spoke of. Set your affections on heaven. Save your treasure in heaven, not on the earth. It's this very heaping up of riches that is going to be SET ON FIRE during God's visitation to this planet on the Day of the Lord. Read the word, study the bible, come out from the teachings of these apostates, have the blinders ripped off of your eyes in Jesus' name. If you had what she has would you then still complain?.............. I pray NOBODY here has what she has. She has all the world, but is losing her SOUL! Tell me how is that you take care of your house? Is it with MONEY? How about the car you drive? How does your employer pay you for your work?.......... Why don't you enlighten us on this one? You don't know a single person on this forum, yet you accuse them of evil doing, simply because they have needs. What needs does Juanita have? She should sell all that she has, give to the poor, and then she will have treasure laid up for her in heaven. She needs to quit robbing God's body, and quit mis-leading sheep to hell. She is the one who has placed herself in the limelight. She claims to be God's mouthpiece. All of God's children have the RIGHT to judge her words and her actions. Jesus used money too, did that make Him evil?????? Tell me how the church that you attend pays their bills and their staff? Could it possibly be with money?................. I have news for you. God didn't command pastors to raise up expensive buildings. Those pastors can get a real job too. Yes, we are to SHARE with those who preach and teach, but that doesn't mean we are to make them rich at the expense of God's poor children. Read the word of God, study! God's poor children were taken care of, even at the expense of the apostles! Who is this woman Juanita who takes the children's bread, and isn't even compassionate enough to leave CRUMBS????? Well what is it that you think she needs? The woman is a world renound spiritual speaker, and no matter how you want to look at it, she still needs money to operate effectively............. She has need of NOTHING! Yet she accuses and belittles God's poor sheep into feeding her fat bank account????? Spiritually she is like a white-washed tomb, all nice and clean on the outside, yet full of dead men's bones. She needs her Savior, but has rejected Him according to her ways and her lifestyle, her murdering of God's sheep, her lying and her thieving as well. She can't eat, she can't travel, she can't pay her staff and she can't bless or be a blessing without money. Then I pray she goes absolutely BROKE! I would hope she would never be able to travel, pay her staff or be a supposed "blessing". Who needs that woman's "blessing"? The poor already have it according to God when He stated "blessed are you POOR, for yours is the kingdom of heaven!"! It is really easy to say things about people with money especially when you are the one without it. We have all the answers for how they should use it and what they shoulda', coulda' woulda' done with it........................ It's very important to speak about those who get their money through dishonesty. Not just dishonesty, but portraying God as a brute monger whose only interest is in people's pocketbook. Not only that, but claiming that God is commanding poor sheep to feed a fat wolf is abominable and blasphemous! But, none of us know what it took for her to get where she is, nor do we know what it takes for her to stay where she is....................... Isn't it obvious? She robs God's poor children, that's how she got where she is. I don't care what it takes for her to stay where she is. I pray that she is removed and soon. It looks one way on the outside, but it's totally something else on the inside................. This is the only honest statement in your entire tirade. Yes, she looks like a nice white washed sepulchre, but on the inside she is full of dead men's bones! If she wanted to bless you personally with a spiritual and FINANCIAL way, then you would see her in a diffrent light. She would then probably be the most annointed prophet you have ever seen in your life and you could swear she sits on the right hand of God..................... I would rather vomit my entire guts out before I would receive stolen money from Juanita Bynum. I would rather DIE than to ever sacrifice my God or His personhood, His attributes, or any part of Him in order to receive her contributions or commendations! There's only one who sits at the right hand, and it is JESUS Himself! But, because it's not likely that will happen and she's going to keep all that money for herself, she's a money-grubbing false prophet who's not of God. Be careful what words the foolish tongue speaks........................... You need to heed your own advice about a foolish tongue. Yes she is a money grubbing false prophetess. The bible makes that clear. You don't know the cost of the oil in Mrs. Bynum's Alabaster Box....................... What oil? If she were genuinely worshiping my master, she would not be robbing my poor brother's and sisters, or leading them to hell with her damnable prosperity heresies! If she is not doing this to the glory of God, then he will judge her. It is not our job to condemn her. God bless you!!!!.................. There are no "if's, and's or but's" about it, she is NOT doing what she does to the glory of God. She blasphemes Him by her arrogant, damnable prosperity teachings/prophesying. Her condemnation is JUST. God's children need to learn to judge wolves such as JB and all like her. God's commendation rests upon those who judge whether a person is a true apostle/prophet or false.   iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.147.9 Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 2:41 pm:        To all the teenagers posting in this thread....... I have a word for you. Do not look to the ways of your generation. Your generation at large is very disrespectful to their elders/parents. Study the bible, pray to God for wisdom. Look and see that God is an ANCIENT God, and delights in the ancient way. The new thing is not God's way. He delights in HONOR, HUMILITY and SUBMISSION to those who are in authority over you (in the Lord). Two of you have came in this thread, correcting those who quite possibly are old enough to be your parents or grandparents. Look at Timothy. Paul stated not to place a new convert in the position of leadership because they would get puffed up in pride. Humble yourselves under God's mighty hand, and He will exalt you in due season. Study to show yourself approved. If you are truly studying the word of God, seeking the Lord, and not the doctrines of men, then you would clearly see that Juanita Bynum is not preaching/prophesying/teaching the word of the Lord. You will find the blessing of the Lord in humility, honor and respect of your elders. When you do it unto them, you are doing it unto HIM.   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 238 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 2:21 am:        Any Christian can (and should) be spreading the gospel. Do we need ridiculous amounts of money to do this? No, just a Bible and a mouth. During the time of the early church, much of the known world was reached with the gospel - the pure, unadulterated gospel. No TV, no radio, no millions of dollars; just people hungy to see lives changed and people saved. Maybe the best thing that could happen would be that all televangelism would stop. Then Christians would have to go out and actually develop one-to-one relationships with people to help bring them to the Lord instead of relying on television (with its many false-teachers) to reach them. BTW, ALL of us who have accepted Jesus as Savior are anointed, not just the self-important, self-appointed "superstars" of modern Christendom. The only ones I've ever heard teach the "touch not God's anointed" nonsense have been false, self-promoted teachers who need to have some form of damage control to fall back on when people begin to see through them and their unbiblical teachings. Cybermom   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.123.204.54 Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 7:38 am:        So true, Cybermom. Televangelism is a scourge to Christianity. All the major broadcasters have long had an agenda to influence the Lord's flock down a path that it not of the Lord. Matters not how sincere they appear, they are deceived and are likewise deceiving anyone who has not eyes and ears to see and hear. People young in the faith and all with insufficient Bible knowledge are its most vulnerable victims. Notice how many poo-poo Bible doctrine (unless they are twisting it to serve their purpose) while they spend 24/7 spewing their false teachings. Televangelism is a twisted world. (Message edited by anony on August 13, 2005)   clingon (clingon) New member Username: clingon Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.172.226.14 Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 8:55 am:        Really a true scurge is that unbelievers are doing the same things they have been doing for centuries. Misinterpreting the word of God and persecuting true believers of the Word. Jesus warned us that this would happen. Where is the true church of God?   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.123.204.54 Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 9:14 am:        The true church are those individuals everywhere who are grateful to be in fellowship with God through believing the gospel, turning from the old life of sin and doing the his will.   laluvchyl (laluvchyl) New member Username: laluvchyl Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 65.1.81.4 Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:43 pm:        You know what..it doesn't really matter what you think you know, oh holier than thou one, it isn't going to change what I said, what I thought, how I feel, how anyone else feels or even how you feel. It won't change her money situation, it won't change TBN, it won't change the amount of people who believe in her, it won't change anything. And all that talk about who's going to hell and stuff isn't necessary. Anyway, with talk like that you might beat her there.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.76.187 Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 1:16 am:        Nothing is going to change TBN. Paul Crouch has been working for 30+ years to try to take the Lord's flock into the harlot religious system of Revelation. Some get temporarily deceived by it but the Lord sees to it that their eyes are eventually opened. So in the end Paul will only bring together those who have refused the Lord's true gospel ...which the beast will destroy according to scripture. Juanita is too in love with her 10 minutes of fame to give it up by acknowledging correction. These boards are good to help Christians see the truth of all that mess so they can forsake it for their own spiritual protection.   iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 26 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.150.186 Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 7:21 pm:        laluvchyl- Your defense of a wolf in sheep's clothing is not backed up by scripture. Yes, Juanita Bynum is misleading sheep to hell. Her heretical teachings on prosperity are tempting sheep to love and worship money rather than loving and worshiping "I AM". The bible is loaded with many scriptures which teach against the love of money, greed, haughtiness, and the pride of life. Genuine holiness separates the believer from those things which the world lusts after, such as wealth and positions of high minded power. It behooves us to seek holiness, to be separated and fit for use by our mighty God. He is the judge of the living and the dead, the truth is the truth and it won't matter what people "think" is the truth, His word is the last word. We need to study His word, seek Him and pray in order to be assured that we are in the truth, and are not deceived or deceiving others. We need to go to His word as the authority, not our own opinions or the opinions of others. Seeking our own opinion or desire is not the objective. We are to seek His will for our life, rightly dividing the word of truth and receiving that truth. Those who do otherwise delude themselves and others if they are teaching their delusions. God's word WARNS those who are on the wrong path. God does not delight in the death of the wicked, but rather desires that the wicked would turn away from their sins in repentance in order to receive new life. Turn away from the sin of lust for riches and receive new life says my God.   iamlives (iamlives) Junior Member Username: iamlives Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.150.186 Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 7:41 pm:        amen anony   neglectnot (neglectnot) New member Username: neglectnot Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.115.131.167 Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 3:20 pm:        Hi, I'm new to this board. I am to the point now where I will only vouch for people I walk with on a daily basis. How is Ms. Bynum off camera? How does she treat her husband? Does she submit to him? Is she loving to those around her? These are the things - the fruit - that tell us whether a person is truly in and of the Lord or not. We can only examine the teachings but most of us don't really know the woman. With all of these tv evangelists, I take what I can from the teachings. Some bits I receive and other teachings/revelations I throw away because they don't line up with the Word. People always say - they are just human. You are so very right. But we need to remember that and not elevate them or chase them all around the country or go broke sending them money. We have brethren right around us who we walk with daily. He's given many Prophets to the body - not just a few. Let's honor those right in our own assembly and use the giftings given to us that are right there for our use. We all are special and have gifts from God to edify the body of Christ. I believe if we truly understood this, we wouldn't talk just about Ms. Bynum's anointing, but about our own anointing and the anointing of all of those who are disciples of Christ. Matthew 7:20 - Thus by their fruit you will recognize them. Ephesians 4:11-14 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown hear and there by every wind of teaching.. Dee Dee http://www.neglectnotthegift.org - A free Christian e-zine.   tricey (tricey) New member Username: tricey Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 168.8.170.20 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 3:18 pm:        Hi, My name is Latrice and i am 16 years old. I personally like Juaniita bynums because she is full of wisdom. Despite her past she still made something of herslf. She has an annointing that only a child of God could possess.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 159 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.66.229 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 9:13 pm:        Tricey, They all want to present themselves as being wise, and if you notice they claim a special anointing to reinforce what they are trying to convey. You have to very, very carefully listen to what they say and then by all means compare it to scripture. If they are contradicting scripture, which Juanita and many others on TBN are really good at, they are neither 'wise' nor anointed by God. Sometimes they sound so good when they are talking. It all comes across as very high-sounding and so right on. But I have gotten to the point where I write down what they say, or carefully read quotes published on the internet. That's when their error hits you in the face and you want to wring their necks for not even caring whether they are wrong and leading others astray too. In my estimation, what incriminates Juanita and the others as much as anything is their taking advantage of the Lord's flock in their fundraising scams. God's wise and anointed servants would do no such thing....ever!!   servent1 (servent1) New member Username: servent1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 163.192.21.45 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 1:36 pm:        Everyone needs to SHUT THE HELL UP! What have u done for the Lord Lately? Everybody got something to say--- Whether ur doing good or bad. FLESH IS RIDICULUS AND CAN NEVER BE SATISFIED} Jaunita Bynum is a TRUE WOMAN OF GOD!!!!! Get ur stank nasty mouth off her!!!!   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 161 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.254.10 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 3:35 pm:        FLESH IS RIDICULUS AND CAN NEVER BE SATISFIED _____________________________________________ YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 264 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 5:31 pm:        servant1 Nice mouth. Good witness. 'nough said. Cybermom   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 3:54 pm:        Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" All of you be careful when you speak of someone the LORD Loves. No matter what they do your comments and opinions will not be justified before GOD. They may not make all of the right decisions in life but that doesnt mean my Father doesnt use them from time to time. Look at Saul and David, The Ark Angel and satan. 1 Samuel 16:14 [ David in Saul's Service ] Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. 1 Samuel 24:5-7 5 Afterward, David was conscience-stricken for having cut off a corner of his robe. 6 He said to his men, "The LORD forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the LORD's anointed, or lift my hand against him; for he is the anointed of the LORD." 7 With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. So according to GODs word it is just that know one slander our sister with the words of their tongues. Proverbs 18:21 The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit. Pray for her and prophecy against the error. Remember what Jesus told Peter? Luke 22:31-32 31"Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you[a] as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." Pray and she will turn back and preach against her own folly. Thank you and thats what the Lord says about the entire matter.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 4:53 pm:        (anony), your typed voice has been the most compelling of all on this site. Not to be congradulated because you have erred. You told (gsrh) that you could not pray for those people.(April 17, 2005 @ 2:16pm) 1john 2:3-6 3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love[b] is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. In this case we must pray for our brothers and sisters who have become ensnared by the glitter of society. Those who try to unite the Kingdom of my Father with the god of mammon. If GOD turned Peter who deined the Son thrice, or Paul who murdered the followers of the church (just as the leaders of today murder congregations with false doctrines), they themselves will be turned. It is my job and yours along with everyone else on here that are spiritually related to pray like Jesus did. If we say we cant do as he did then we also say that we cant obey the FATHER. Then we are made just like the people we talk about because sin is sin. I have nothing against you anony, just a reprove from a brother who is obedient.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 5:37 pm:        (tricey), do not be deceived, just because the preacher preaches doesnt mean they are anointed. The word itself is so powerful that anyone who knows it well and speaks it with emotional zeal will in fact appear annointed. Research your scripture (www.biblegateway.com) and youll find that after any man was anointed by GOD he had the power to do amazing things.(not limited to just gaining wealth) All of them were able to heal the sick, all of them. The anointing of GOD is immeasurable. Thats why Jesus said according to your faith, be it unto you. The anoniting is the power to carry out GODs work in its fullness. Preaching isnt enough. Even satan preached the word to Jesus in the wilderness and to Eve in the Garden. In these example we see how it can even be used to deceive. Example: " GOD says bring the whole tithe", yes but the scripture also says,( Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another... and it also says, 1Samuel 15:22 But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD ? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. GOD wants your obedience before your money but they need your money because the church has bills. They tell you to forsake your bills and pay tithes first for a lack of trust in GOD to pay the churchs bills. GOD wants you to take care of your family first. Love first must begin in the home and end abroad. So be careful sweety to not be deceived just because they preach good. FYI, I love Juanita Bynum, her testimony is awesome. Its similar to mine. One day soon if not already she will be made perfect by the anointing. I know it.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 1:44 am:        Children, be careful not to forget yourselves. If you spend as much time analyzing yourself as you do the lives of others you will become sinless people. A sinless life is attainable, even according to scripture. 1 John 3:6-10 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. And this is the King James translation. Now who slanders their dearly beloved relative(brother,sister,mom,etc...) who has fallen victim to a drug habit? No one. We hope that they would get better. Who is slandering the people in Louisiana because they ignored the evacuation warning, no one. If these preachers dont take heed to the warnings written in the scripture they have their reward. A righteous man falls seven times but he gets up each time and doesnt turn back to the same sin. The reason he falls to sin is this: on his way up out of it he will remember the path and preach the way out to others. How will you know the road to repentance if no one before you has ever traveled it. Yes Ill draw each and every one of you a map of the local hot spots in Persia. Ive never been there, or studied the place though. Oops! Would you still follow my direction? He that is without sin cast the next stone at Mrs. Bynum or any other preacher. Now lets correct our own reproach and talk about ways to obtain sinless lives according to 1 John chapter 3. Now thats constructive. AMEN? AMEN.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 2:20 am:        1 John 3:9-10 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Look at verses 7 and 9 in this chapter. chapter 7 begins with let no one decieve you, he who does right is righteous. Now most people tend to believe Pauls testimomy when he says there is no one righteous not one. Paul was simply refering to men absent from a relationship with Most High the creator of heaven and earth. John is refering to those who practice the scripture. Now the scripture never contradicts itself. So those who practice the scriptures are right with GOD. The bible is a testimony of a number of men who believe in one GOD and decided to write about their experience and the experiences of others they may have known. Pauls experience was serious. For those of you who dislike Mrs Bynum, after you read Romans 7:14 til the end you should really dislike Paul. He couldnt stop sinning and wrote to you the way you should live. Then on top of that he pointed the finger at sin like Eve did instead of accepting his part. Sin never has authority over us, we yeild to after being enticed by it. The choice is always ours. Sin never has a choice, it is what it is. Then he said that he is unspiritual. (ungodly) You are following the teachings of someone who says they are unspiritual, yet slandering Mrs Bynum? Or are you looking at it as an example laid out in the scripture of how not to live. (Lets get back on track) Now verse 9 says he does not sin, and also he cant sin. There is no reading between the lines. It speaks for itself. So lets spend most of our time practicing righteousness so that we may be righteous to the point where we cannot sin. AMEN? AMEN.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 3:02 am:        Romans 7:14-24 14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God's law; (really? 1 John 3:9) 23 but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24 What a wretched man I am! There is really no war. But I myself can testify that it feels like one. I had to confess I really liked sinning and that I was a hater of GOD. 1 John 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, So anyone who says its hard lacks real desire to change. even Jesus said: Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." I stopped saying it was hard and started admitting the truth, I wanted sin in my life. Guilt came and then led me to repent. Now I am on my way to living a sinless life and I plan on taking millions with me. AMEN? AMEN! Praise GOD! P.S Let Jesus be your example people, not only because he lived without committing sin, but because he said: John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these,... Not limited to obeying every word of GOD. Preaching, healing, praying, loving, casting out impure spirits, and even returning to the FATHER. And dont forget "even greater things than these." Whew! Jesus was sent to show satan that with the FATHERs spirit a man can live without yeilding to sin. Even Job and Enoch did it. Jesus wasnt the only one. Imagine how much more that were not mentioned in the scripture. So lets all do it. AMEN to that. Remember this: Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more. God doesnt remember your sin so that means it doesnt exist. Your start is fresh after you repent and you should remain sinless. AMEN? AMEN.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 162 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.89 Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 10:29 pm:        Judascrub, I trust you are also familiar with scriptures that we are to expose heresy, mark those who teach it and avoid them in defense of the faith. I don't consider teachers who finance a 'ministry' career by making merchandise of the Lord's flock to be my brethren. I think you would do well to do a little more scrutinizing.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 12:44 am:        (Anony) I totally agree, but how long will we focus on their error without having the power to change it. We noticed, we discuss it, and move on. I dont beat dead horses. I also dont want to create the illusion that I am covering up my spiritual insecurity by exposing others. Are you living sinless yet Anony? Tell me, please? If not, what do you have problems with and lets get to the bottom of your problem. My problems were sex addiction; wreckless fornication, compulsive lying, and hypocrisy. Have you ever visited www.myfortress.org? You would love that website. It actually quotes her and several other pastors and attempts to correct all of them through scripture. I mean they claim to even have information on some ministers tax dealings. Let me ask you this, what can we do to help them? If nothing lets focus on the people we can help, like family, neighbors, co-workers, and etc. P.S Judascrub(JUDA-SCRUB) Anyone who reads what you typed might assume you were insulting me which would be a step out of line for a child of GOD. Please be careful next time?   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 12:54 am:        Oh and Anony, I just noticed you used the word avoid after expose. Lets do that (avoid), unless its the least productive. Lets prune them from our conversation so that it will be more fruitful. Theyve already been exposed. God Bless. FSU:10 MIA:7 Yeeeaaahhhhhhhh!!! Great, now everyone knows I am a man.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 1:32 am:        This is a prayer. This is Prayer. SERIOUSLY! Father in heaven, the Creator of all things, and the only living GOD, we thank You for sending Jesus to be a light in these last days which are filled with evil. We know through him that any man can be made whole. We know through him that we have the power lift up one another in time of deception and need. There are those being deceived and the ones doing it are also themselves deceived by the evil one. Loose them from their vanity and false doctrines so that they may serve You and love You as Jesus did. Add power to my words as I prophesy obedience in there lives. They will see the truth and walk in it. I know it. We thank You Father because the bible says the Son came to destroy the works of the enemy. We believe that. You are GOD alone and You will make sure Your children are safe everywhere. We will hear Your voice and not the voice of a deceiving stranger. We love You GOD and thank You today for Your protection as Your children. We thank You that the works of the enemy have been destroyed. We honor You and give You praise in the highest form forever and always, AMEN. ( All those that agree please say Amen again.) I would love to even see the false teachers cleansed and made whole. That would be awesome!   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.89 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 1:15 pm:        Judascrub, This board is for exposing error in defense of the faith and to warn others. Those people don't want 'help', for pete's sake. They don't even listen to correction and blast those who, as they ought, give it. Whatever I can say that will encourage Christians to become MORE scrutinizing is what I am here for. We all could do with more of that. The church today is covered with a thick veneer of false teaching and other false leadership everywhere one looks. I have spent the last few years looking into it all myself and it is just mind boggling what all is there that I didn't 'see' on the surface. So again I say to all - look before you leap...in your own best spiritual interest. Don't get caught up in high sounding rhetoric and emotionalism just because it is presented as Christianity. MOST of it today is NOT true Christianity. It is deception that Jesus warned us about that would deceive even believers if at all possible. Contemporary Christianty is deceiving fast food Christianity - all that is so tantalizing about it is what kills.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 164 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.89 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 1:24 pm:        To avoid them certainly does not nullify our responsibility to expose their error and mark them and warn others. That would include, no doubt, not making excuses for them and, God-forbid, supporting them financially because we wrongly perceive they mean well in spite of their heretical teaching. We need to let ALL of God's Word speak for itself.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 2:07 pm:        (Anony) Exactly, and GODs word says: Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. So that should settle it. And you didnt answer any of my questions. How are you living? James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. We will pray together for each other and all of the others. GODs word has spoken for itself.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.20.177 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 2:45 pm:        You know what Anony, your worried about whats wrong with orgainzed religion and youve taken the time out to study whats wrong with others and now you yourself are being exposed. Main Entry: 1 gos·sip Pronunciation: 'gä-s&p Function: noun 1(a) a person who habitually reveals personal or sensational facts about others. Proverbs 16:28 A perverse man stirs up dissension, and a gossip separates close friends. Proverbs 18:8 The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man's inmost parts. Proverbs 20:19 A gossip betrays a confidence; so avoid a man who talks too much. 2 Corinthians 12:20 For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder. Now all of you that read this site do not get caught in the wrong doings of others. Real children of GOD pray for others. They dont gossip all the time. Anony has 164 entries and in none of them did she offer anything helpful. Consider that and also these versus about gossip. How does that feel Anony. If you are angry then imagine how the people you talk about feel. Theyre rich, they probably dont care.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 165 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.89 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 3:00 pm:        Please, Judascrub... exposing heresy, marking those who teach it, avoiding them and warning others has not a whit to do with 'revenvge' or 'gossip'. Let's not try to to twist this into something it is not.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.31.78 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 9:13 pm:        Anony, if thats what you believe GOD called you to do then fine. May you prosper in all that you put your hand to. I am called to make things right through His power. I just dont see the sense in redundant messages. Hey she said this, Hey did you know they were like this, hey i dont like her, hey this person is a loser. Hey guys, lets pray for Juanita, she seems to be getting off track. Her influence is so great in our society that we should pray,and the sheep will not be led astray. Now thats cool. Please Anony, you cant deny the redundancy in the criticsim. Lets move on to correction. I can talk about the dishes in the sink all day and that wont clean them. If its nasty to me then I might as well clean them myself. You said they dont want help. These people dont have to want help to need it. They need help through prayer. Prayer is more effective than just telling everyone that someone else is not real. What would Jesus do? He never went on ranting about the faults of others. He reached out to them. All of us should do the same. He who is without sin cast the next stone.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.31.78 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 9:20 pm:        And why do you keep typing JUDASCRUB? Is that a typo or are you refering to me as a SCRUB. If you are everyone can see your immaturity. We are all family and GOD created you and me in His image. So to refer to me is to refer to my Father. Thats why I respect you. GOD created you. You are special Anony no matter what problems youre having in life. I apoligize if I have offended you in any way. GOD Bless.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.89 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 9:21 pm:        Judascrub...why can't you be content with what scripture teaches?? End of conversation.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.89 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 9:23 pm:        LOL Judascub makes no more sense to me than judascrub. Sorry. Lol   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 285 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 9:36 pm:        judascub I don't think anony knows what a "scrub" is. Lighten up. If you do love him/her in the Lord, then you'll let love cover this and move on to other more important things. Cybermom   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:11 am:        O.K. I thought it was unintentional. Thats why I said "IF" in the third sentence. Now you, Cybermom have helped me to illustrate a very important point. You felt I was being harsh and asked me to lighten up. Then you said lets move on. Exactly my point. Do you yourself agree we should pray for these preachers and not just talk about them. I just noticed, I apoligized to Anony and blessed her, and you told me to lighten up. But no one wants to lighten up on Juanita Bynum. We should all love each other the same. So Cybermom, do you think you will ever live a sinless life?   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:39 am:        Father I pray against any Spirit that is not like you. I cast down any argument and and every high thing that rises up against your word. I pray that we all agree as your children. Be with us as we type. Teach us to lift up and not tear down. Teach us to type in love. You created all men and women in your image. Lets us act that way, especially myself. Arguments are for enemies and no one in this session is my enemy. I love you GOD, and I love my brothers and sisters. In Your honor we pray, Amen.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 1:19 am:        (Anony) I never donate money anywhere unless GOD says to. I dont listen to men I listen to the Spirit of GOD in men. I test Spirits with words to see the reaction. I was homeless once and I went to a mega church for help. They told me, " oh we cant do anything for you, you think your too good for a homeless shelter?" That blew my mind especially since I am a child of GOD. GOD still provided, and I prospered. I know first hand the validity of their claims to be real. Soon Im going to go to that same church and give my testimony on how GOD helped me and they didnt. I really do understand. They failed the test. Everyone who is reading this, GOD doesnt require you to bring 10% of your paycheck and neglect your bills. He wants you to ,( Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another... They dont tell you that though. The reason you have a job is to maintain your bills and handle you responsibilities. The bible says tithe off of your increase. That means the extra money (blessing) must come first. The first tithe recorded in the bible was after GOD blessed Abraham in Egypt. He didnt work for that money. Offering comes from what you work for and the first offering recorded was Abels. Pay your bills first. 1 Samuel 15:22 But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD ? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. They never tell you this either. So when they say you must give and their voice is the only one you hear, dont do it. GOD wants your OBEDIENCE before your money, because if youre not right with Him your gift means nothing. GOD also want your TIME more than your money. The more you spend time with HIM you become like HIM. Most people try to spend time being like the pastors, "filthy" rich. Jesus said Be Holy, not wealthy. There is nothing wrong with obtaining wealth, just as long as it is not your first priority. I think I should stop now, goodbye everyone, GOD Bless.   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 10:20 am:        verse of the day from www.biblegateway.com “ We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. ”- Colossians 1:28 I really havent looked but does anyone else on here quote scripture? Not to be offensive, but I mean if we're "defending" GOD there should be more scripture quoting than personal opinions. Am I wrong?   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 168 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.89 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 10:29 am:        Judascub, You said something that particularly got my attention: "So when they say you must give and their voice is the only one you hear, dont do it." What we hear from most of these people are their own very loud and often overwhelming voices and personalities that block out everything except what THEY say. By this the unwary are beguiled away from the voice of God that speaks to us through His Spirit and His Word. So a good lesson you have brought us, Judacub, and worth repeating again: when they say you must give and their voice is the only one you hear, dont do it."   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:27 pm:        You know, the first church use to divide the money the people gave among the people and everyones debts were paid. I am aspiring to start a similar church where the people actually can come and get more help than empty words. This is because of my own experience. I believe when the Bible says a pastor should be a good manager of money ("manager" not "hoarder") it meant accountant. See the word manager implies that it doesnt belong to you. Youre just managing the congregations wealth making sure they are not in debt. Now we cant blame the pastors only because these people are not handicapped. They can read. They can seek GOD. Like someone else on here said study to "show yourself" approved. The "show" implies you must take action for "yourself" when it comes to knowing the word of GOD. The scripture demands that we rightly divide the truth. The blind are leading the blind. The only difference is the pastors have platinum walking sticks and seeing eye "Jaguars." LOL. Now as far as love offerings, when a pastor receives offerings in access of 1 million annually, thats way more than enough to live off of in a lifetime. Should he stop them from giving to him. Would you? GOD is blessing you in abundance. At least thats what they say. If I were in that congregation Id say " we're blessing you not GOD. If we stop giving you a love offering then youre the one thats going to be needing a miracle. Give us $1000. and youll see your breakthrough! LOL, LOL. If I were a pastor receiving over 1 million in offerings, annually I wouldnt say Id stop it,I dont know. One things for sure I would surely use it rescue my flock from debt, or even others that are in need. Face it wealth attracts people. NOTE TO ALL CONGREGATIONS: LISTEN CAREFULLY!! Your miracle is in your pockets. You already "have" enough money to tithe 10%, give and offering to GOD, Finance the construction of these mega churches, donate millions in love offerings to your pastor, not to mention TV churches. Start helping each other by building houses for one another and start pooling money to give away randomly to members in the congregation. When you start to prosper if the pastor gets mad instaed of joinig you, something is wrong. The person that starts such a plan should be the real pastor. The definition of ministry is to provide aide to others. Not talking about the miracle blessings every week. Your miracles are in your pockets, look at the amazing churches you guys have built. That reflects the sweat off your backs. Your sweat Financed his vision. What about GODs vision of all of us being equal. Why should we pay for a miracle. Who makes a sandwhich and puts the mayo in one spot? The answer is a blind congregation. A wise congregation spreads the wealth dividing it evenly over the entire sandwhich that way th entire thing is good. The entire body of Christ should be good, not just its leaders. Stop giving your miracles to one man and give to each other. Take control of your own Spiritual walk with the guidance of the HOLY GHOST. AND THATS WHAT GOD SAID, IM HIS Son AND IM GONE!!!!!!!!   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 169 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.114.44 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 1:52 pm:        Are you the forum police, judascub? Thanks for the scriptures. Byeee.   mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 300 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 2:16 pm:        miracles can't be bought or sold ...i warn those to repent thats deceiving the flocks and the flocks thats supporting ministries that is not of God ..read Revelation on what the Spirit is saying to the churches ..   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 2:55 pm:        Amen Mikko.   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 288 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 4:29 pm:        judascub I thought you were being a little too sensitive about the whole thing. The fact that you've now turned on me, and I hardly ever post here, proves my point. No, I will never lead a sinless life - neither will you or Juanita Bynum. But according to Scripture she will be held to a higher standard since she is a teacher. Sites such as these are not merely a place to air grievances, tho that does happen. This is a place for people who have been hurt or taken advantage of by ministries to warn others to beware. Discussions get heated, and there will always be disagreements. If you can't stand the heat..... Cybermom   d_boz513 (d_boz513) New member Username: d_boz513 Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 198.246.246.8 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 5:14 pm:        I'm sorry, I love what Prophetess Bynum-Weeks is preaching now. She is under the most powerful annointing ever. I need correction in my life. The only way to get it right is correct that thing right. If people dont live Holy day by day, they'll never experience true blessings   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 5:48 pm:        d boz513 I totally agree with you. To be holy is the only way to receive anything from GOD. He created us in HIS image so HE expects us to "be" totally obedient. Everything that Jesus has we can have. Including all power to overcome sin.(1 John chapter 3). Matthew 5:48 says Be ye perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect. That means sinless. I love you cybermon. I apoligize for the misunderstanding. But I was disapointed by a mega church as well. I "Joined" it the next day, even though they sent me out on the streets. Through forgiveness I was able to be blessed by GOD . HE has taught me not to hold grudges. And you will live a sinless life because you love GOD . I know you. Forgiveness is the only obstacle standing in your way, not alchohol. Your gonna do it and GOD is going to say well don my beloved child.   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 290 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 6:54 pm:        juda I didn't undertand your post to me. Is this supposed to be a prophecy for me? Interesting. I hope it isn't because it is so far off the mark that you'd be embarrassed if you did know me. Please explain. Cybermom   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.3.55 Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 12:39 am:        Cybermom Who are you, or what are you? Hmmmm. Please forgive my sick humor? Lighten up sweety. I have no explanation, only you know you.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 171 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.93.191 Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 9:26 am:        Humor, juda?? Bless you, cybermom.   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 291 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 5:15 pm:        Thanks, anony judaSCUB I am SO through with you. You are either a very bored teenager with nothing better to do with your time, or you are one deluded adult. Your posts to me have been confusing at best; anyone with an ounce of discernment will not waste any more of their time responding to you. Cybermom   judascub (judascub) New member Username: judascub Post Number: 25 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.10.17.226 Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 12:51 am:        You know, I made mistakes with you guys on purpose. They were just little ones. I dont know any of you personally. I still apoligized to see if forgiveness is on your agendas. I had a feeling it wasnt so now you have failed my tests. But I still hold nothing against you. let GOD judge between us. I love you all. If you wish not to speak to me dont. GOD supplies my every need. Ladies, its been fun. Ill stop the testing and be straight forward now. What I observed is Cybermom is very defensive and will not accept the correction she gives. The same with Anony. The difference is this; either Anony hasnt been hurt as bad as Cybermom, or she is just hiding behind her own sins. How does exposing others really benefit anyone. Like minds fellowship together. The deceiver is no differnt from the deceived accept the deceiver sets the standard for the deceived. Any one who really knows GOD doesnt need Anony to tell them anything. The "scripture", Anony says: John 10:4-5 (4)...and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.(5) But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." Right now Cybermom and Anony are living in deception themselves. They attack everyone else but when they are attacked they cant take it. Cybermom had the nerve to tell me if I cant take the heat... They think they are helping but theyre hating. Juanita Bynum is a lovely woman and she makes mistakes. You yourself Cybermom said you and Juanita will never live a sinless life. So you and her are in the same boat. Are you mad because she is sinfilly rich. Be honest. Even if what Im saying is not true the point is I feel like Im helping others by exposing the two of you and you dont like it. So stop doing it to others. Cybermom, you seem to be bitter on this thread and Anony you dont really like yourself. Thats why you guys look at others faults so you can say well shes worse than me and shes a pastor. That wont get you to heaven. Everyone reading this look at my first threads where I provided scripture where we are advised not to slander others. I have been quoting scripture all along and Anony says to me, why cant I accept what the scripture says. Anony said she wouldnt even pray for them. Now what kind of spirit would say such a thing. GODs or satans. The rest of you decide. Im not. Im just going to pray that GOD opens there(Cybermom/Anony) eyes and teaches them to walk in forgivenees and to pray for others. You dont have to give money, just pray. Hope that they would get better. Even pray for me Cybermom, I need it. Pray for me Anony I need it. Please, we'll all pray together and forive the harsh words. Thats what love is. Love is helping those who hate you. Lets all come together study love and teach it to other through our experiences. Now if i have offended any of you (Anony/Cybermom) in any way I apoligize. I only want to show you your errors. Now everyone lets see how they respond: Matthew 18:35 "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart." Mark 11:25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."   gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 75 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.209.66.159 Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:32 pm:        Hating? Sinfully rich? show you your errors? Is this what they teach in Miami?   gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 76 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.209.66.159 Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:33 pm:        I have been away for far too long? I will make time to catch up on these boards and respond according.   revladyj05 (revladyj05) New member Username: revladyj05 Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.255.205.97 Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 3:03 pm:        One thing I like about prophetess Bynum is her dynamic praise, prayer and worship life. She is a woman that is truely grateful to God and knows that she had little to do with her success. What is wrong with christians having money? Who is going to support the ministries of the Lord? Budweiser? Many of these people you point the finger at have given very, very generously to God's work. How much have you given to the Lord? Do you even tithe? How many hungry people have you fed? How many naked people have you clothed? How many souls have you won to Christ today? How much time did you spend in worship and praise today? If you were doing these things you probably wouldn't have so much time to find fault with others.   anony (anony) Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.244.58 Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 3:50 pm:        Dynamic? Looks like theatrics to me. When was the last time you pointed your finger at the television and told viewers to send their last dime to TBN to support its influence on behalf of the whore church? Get some discernment - then maybe you can help your idol Bynum get some too.   rpearl (rpearl) New member Username: rpearl Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 209.168.198.194 Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 10:29 am:        I'm new to this site, and have read all your comments. My question is: Do we know for a fact that Juanita had an affair, and where do you go to research these people (jaunita,Pat R.,Rod P.,etc...) and is it credible? You guys have awsome conversation! Any info would be appreciated, thanks.   gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 80 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.255.109.122 Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 5:26 pm:        I ran across this awhile ago. I am just getting a chance to post it. This should be very interesting. However, what is this saying about our society? http://www.origprod.com/pulpitcastingcall.htm   cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 323 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 9:11 am:        Great. That's all we need. More self-promoting goof balls to deceive people and teach heresy. Let's give every crackpot out there a chance at "religious" stardom. Cybermom   gsrh (gsrh) Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 81 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 69.215.45.49 Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 7:17 pm: