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just2bhappy
New member
Username: just2bhappy
Post Number: 14
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.121.192.69
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 11:34 am: | 
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Man is this crazy? me and my wife were talking about the situation that people have gone through with the escrow accounts. I was told many times to open that account, but I would not, and yes that did upset many a folk, if you know what i mean. But I wanted control over the money. I know that if I would have opened that account that there would of been times that I needed money for the rent, and expenses. I felt the money that we labored for and that the people gave was for the local church. They already got the Pastor and Church tithe. Why did they need more? LET THEM GO OUT AND LABORE 4 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK!!!!!!
When we moved to our first work, we left the Bible School with 1500.00 dollars. WE MADE IT HAPPEN, LET THEM!!!!!! GOD ALWAYS TOOK CARE OF US!!
Then we left there and went to our second work with about the same amount of money, GOD ALWAYS TOOK CARE OF US!!!! LET THEM!!!!!
Now we here that they gave Jordan 2500.00 and then 2000.00 more for the general fund, WOW!!!!!
WE WERE TOLD TO TRUST IN GOD, DO IT UNTO THE LORD!!!!!
Do not get me wrong I am not blaming Jordan, all of us would have taken it also.But the crazy thing is----- We are going to call the org and ask them if we can have 2500.00 for the times that we moved, We'll let you know what the answer is!!!
OH!!!! by the way, when the knew pastor got here and we told him the circumstanes and all that had happened, he told us, {get a load of this!!!!} it was our fault that we came here and got into debt. Remember what Pastor said in his classes? "If I ask you to pray about going somewhere, God already told him that HE wants you there!!!!!
OH BY THE WAY!!!
I know a pastor that told me he could not pay his rent so he called the org and they told him, just to pray about it, but in his escrow account there was over 50,000.00 dollars, oh by the wat, they took it!!!!
EVERYBODY CALL!!! Tony Perdue |
tracypelfrey
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Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 88
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.17.110
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:13 pm: |
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I guess we all should have received money for moves Tony.
I really do appreciate learning about this stuff.
It's one of those things which I never asked my husband about and he never "gave up" the information.
I think I know why too...
because he knows it would have twisted my stomach into more knots than it was already in...over how to pay all the bills in Virginia...and yet be able to buy groceries and clothes, etc.
Because as most of us did everytime we moved in NTCC...everything was sold...and we started over fresh.
Every single time.
Whatever fit in the van...or the Honda Accord Hatchback with two toddlers and car seats, etc...that is what went with us...oh yeah...and those idiotic class notes.
Filled with nonsense like this:
Men like Infausto and Gandy were great for talking up how loyal they are to "pastor" in their classes. My husband was reminding me last night of the fact that in one of Infausto's classes...in which he's supposed to be teaching Philemon or some such book in the New Testament...and he goes from telling the same old tired story...about...the...brother...in the...dorm...who...put...his name...on the...jug of milk...how petty...blah, blah, blah...and then jumped to talking about why permission is needed for phone calls and for couples to get together and why you cannot have more than one couple at a time (back when we were in school and as recent as two years ago)...because otherwise...there might be five couples getting together having an orgy.
What kind of disgusting nonsense is that?
We heard ridiculous scenarios like that all the time. It always made me wonder what these men think about...because my mind didn't think like that. Where do they come up with five couples and an orgy?
Dear Lord...it's lunacy. All of it.
does anyone know how to ask the correct questions of those who work in the IRS to find out if any of the shenanigans pulled by this organization are legal or not?
And Tony, I'm going to put our request for moving expenses in writing and sent by certified mail. I'm going to log all of the information you men are providing combined with my husband's information...and then I'm going to find someone who will listen to us.
I know that the folks at Factnet are familiar with how Cults deal with their money and do funny things to shield their activities from the IRS. I guess there comes a time when you get sick and tired of just being upset over it all...and not just for our sakes alone...but there is probably a new crop of preachers coming out of the Bible school soon...and maybe some of them are being moved through at an accelerated pace...so as to get them out in the works that have been vacated...and they are going to be faced with all of this same junk.
I wonder what it is like to be someone like Jordan or Wright or Tieman and the others who have to constantly be called upon to go in and take over these works? I imagine it must weigh heavy on their minds too.
Why doesn't Davis...the man who was here first...go out and take over some of these vacated works. Why not the Kekels? The Johnsons? They know how to do it all the right way...right? And they shouldn't need to draw from an escrow account money for moving expenses. |
weezer
Junior Member
Username: weezer
Post Number: 43
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.0.148.48
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:17 pm: |
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that never made sense to me about the money in a local church doesn't stay in that local church.
5 couples and orgies ? LOL LOL. what about the married woman who was hitting on me in church ? perhaps there IS a reason for women on one side and men on the other.. but what about now ? now there are homos and such.... |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 89
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.17.110
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:28 pm: |
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I always thought it was odd that dealing with the church finances was never a class taught at the Bible College. I thought it was odd that the men who were going to pastor...(especially a new work...like when we went to Pittsburgh...)...were always seemingly pulled aside the night before their departure...and they were given a few instructions by J. DiFrancesco...and that was it.
Other than that...they were "talked" throught the process when Olson and others would come through on a visit or when they would call.
It just seemed like there should be a class on church finances and how the whole process works.
I guess it's pretty simple: Just about all the money goes to Graham.
WHY?
Why does it go to Graham?
You guys didn't labor for it.
You don't even labor there in Graham.
You sit back in your fancy pants on your luxury furniture and drive your top of the line vehicles and beep your horn for your servants to come running out of the shadows to do your bidding and you go on your yo-yo diets and bellow from pulpits about who is going to go to Hell for not obeying YOUR commands...but you're never seen laboring...
...never seen visiting the poor families in your congregation or helping mow the lawn of a man who has been injured on the job or never seen coming to babysit a young family with small children so the parents can go out at night and just be a "normal" couple and reignite the fire of their marriage.
We don't see that.
Dole out the cash for people...is that your great labor for the Lord?...well...that's easy for someone who has it.
The widow was commended by Jesus for her giving from what little she had. He had no words of praise for the man who gave from his mound of cash.
Who is the rich man who will hardly enter Heaven's realm? Is it the man who has $5 more than Davis...or could Davis and Kekel be the epitome of the type of men who will hardly enter?
I just cannot imagine how these men and women can live with themselves knowing that they have denied every man in the organization the ability to better himself through classes...and through secondary education...and through working extra hours...so that he can make a better life for his family.
How do they sleep at night?
They must have just desensitized themselves to it over the years.
Do the wives of these men know the funny things that are done with the money and the escrow accounts?
Maybe some of you men should get together...those of you who have been in the same cities...and discuss what type of cash was in the escrow account.
I applaud you Tony for your gutsiness in not allowing an escrow account to be set up.
Were you really able to fend them off from such action?
Did you catch flack for that? |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.17.110
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 1:20 pm: |
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I want to make it perfectly clear that I am not operating under some false hope that the IRS will put a huge lock on the doors of the Headquarters in Graham.
We are not the first folks to question their financial antics...and we won't be the last.
I believe with all of my heart that they know how to cover their rears.
They know how to do things in such a way as to look as pure as the wind driven snow.
That doesn't mean it should just be ignored, does it?
When folks do things in a fishy manner...the right person making inquiry and going through their books...will find one of their loopholes which they forgot to plug up properly.
That is probably why there are so many working in the office...and evertyhing is so secretive and the one man doesn't know what the other is doing.
How do those men live with themselves?
I think they are very fearful about exposing this group...and that they are "hushed" in some form.
Their behavior seems to indicate that.
This is just my personal opinion.
Our family was very close to Ripka and Butler and some others who worked in the office...they don't even realize that they walk around like they are men in the CIA or Secret Service or something.}}} |
mklo
Advanced Member
Username: mklo
Post Number: 693
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 67.185.114.218
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 1:56 pm: |
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Gosh... What makes any of you think that NTCC has enough money to actually help it's struggling ministers and members? Have you been fooled by the lifestyle of the organization's leadership into thinking that they have vast amounts of money at their disposal? Or is it the wasteful building projects? Or the ever expanding investment in real-estate? Whatever it is, you're mistaken. NTCC is penniless. Just mark my words: they'll be taking up more pledges soon. Why would they do that if they didn't desperately need the cash? |
charger
Junior Member
Username: charger
Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 71.32.36.197
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 2:36 pm: |
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mklo,
That is saddistically funny!
I hope you are praying about your pledge right now. If you go to conf. You can stand up and announce your pledge.
That is kind of like churches that have 500.00 100.00 and 50.00 offering lines.
There is a lot of pressure to get in that 500.00 line. Psychology 101 I guess.
"Don't give until it hurts, give until it feels good in your soul."
I think that should be said:
don't give until it hurts, give until we feel good.
CRAZY,CRAZY,NUTS. |
pelfdaddy
Senior Member
Username: pelfdaddy
Post Number: 1045
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 166.214.102.103
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 3:02 pm: |
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This is like sitting in your employer's office and asking for some money to cover your living expenses.
"But you have a salary..."
"That's money I need to put in the bank, Boss! What are you...stupid?"
So he gives it to you. Then you go back for more, claiming that you need a car, insurance, and gas money.
"But I just gave you extra money to cover stuff like that..."
"Gotta save some for a rainy day, Boss! What is your problem?"
So he gives you what you request. Then you go back for money to make your car insurance payment.
"Hold on! I specifically gave you money for the insurance already."
"Rainy day, boss! Is something wrong? Y'know boss...it's no wonder you have money problems. You don't know how to keep from spending it." |
victorjohanson
Member
Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 70
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 66.230.101.251
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 7:40 pm: |
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"I believe with all of my heart that they know how to cover their rears."
I have heard from more than one source (and these were folks in the position to know) that the HQ office was always meticulously careful to split their deposits up between accounts in such a way to avoid triggering federal bank reporting rules concerning cash transactions. This, coupled with their penchant for requiring certain payments in cash only (along with a marked reluctance to issue receipts), should appear suspicious to any impartial observer. Why do they behave as if they are a criminal enterprise? Inquiring minds want to know. |
rls
Member
Username: rls
Post Number: 57
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 65.28.108.137
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 8:07 pm: |
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Here is what I understand about conspiracy law to a minimal amount: if you know something illegal is taking place and don't report it to the proper authorities, you yourself could be implicated along with them. It's actually a bit more complicated, but it seems to hold true in illegal drug trafficking, RICO, what have you.
So, for those of you in NTCC engaged in cover up, the Gotti family was brought down by the fed, along with various other notables. I'm just saying. |