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inlandempire
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Bill and Patsy Freeman “An Informal Fellowship Regarding Children.”
This cover letter may help to explain the following post which is a transcript of Patsy Freeman's audiotaped 1981 dialog with several women in Seattle, Washington. This meeting was entitled “An Informal Fellowship Regarding Children.” At the time, Bill and Patsy Freeman held leadership roles within the church in Seattle. In this transcript:
P: represents Patsy Freeman's comments.
S: represents a woman or "sister's" comments.
The transcript helps to explain Patsy Freeman’s strong emphasis upon control of members of her congregation, even instructing and indoctrinating young women within the congregation into her spanking practice, commonly referred to as "breaking their will." This is why the children of Freeman group members appeared outwardly to behave and act so remarkably well. In general, the children had all been spanked, many as young as 3-months of age, until their wills were broken. Today, this spanking practice would be considered child abuse. It often resulted in a severe bruising of the child’s bottom, which could appear black and blue for several days.
Other former Freeman group members have confirmed the existence of this document and Patsy's spanking practices. Quotes from this document were included in a 2005 Whitworthian article entitled "Ex-members say Freemans created 'group identity'." Links to this article are available below.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/freeman_group/freeman_group2.html
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/10373/ex-members-say-freemans-created-group-identity
The following transcript helps to expose Patsy Freeman's hidden motives. She appears to be possessed by the spirit of Jezebel. Please note that Patsy used the root word for “control” ten (10) times on page 3. Patsy Freeman appears bent on "control" of people, whether they are children or adult members of her group. Adults are groomed, while young children are spanked.
Patsy also employs her spanking method as a test of a mother's loyalty to her leadership. If the woman participated and practiced this spanking method on her own children, Patsy praised and rewarded her. If she refused or resisted, the women would be marginalized and/or shunned. Often times, Patsy or another woman from her inner circle would pay a visit to the family's home to demonstrate how to spank "correctly." Upon request, many former members of the Freeman group will confirm this was standard practice. |
inlandempire
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AN INFORMAL FELLOWSHIP REGARDING CHILDREN
September 19, 1981
Patsy Freeman
Page 1
P: Regarding books, a lot of them bring in imagination and fantasizing.
S: Can that come from just Nursery Rhyme books?
P: Haven't you experienced that the Lord is not reading a lot of those things?
S: I guess, I don't realize that could be my spirit when I question those things, because I think they can't hurt anything.
P: Certain nursery rhymes are so full of fantasy.
S: What about like Whinny the Pooh? Not as much of a fantasy as the rest. Then what do you read your children? What books?
P: Things that have to do with reality, something substantial.
S: What about Sesame Street?
P: I don't know - I'm not that familiar with so many these days, but a lot of those things are inspired by the devil.
Page 3
P: ...But one of the things was pouting with Desiree. She was in second grade when her arms broke. When she was unhappy her strength could have controlled the whole house. So Bill and I whipped her, but this was after adequate warning and everything. You couldn’t trust her as to what she would do if something didn’t go right. In other words, she just really controlled. So we spanked her and within days she broke her arms. And if that same thing had happened before that whipping, I don’t think I could have controlled Desiree, but I realize really what I’m forming is their will, that is what you are really doing when you deal with those things. So anyhow, there she was, Bill brought her in crying and she started to get that same way about her that panicked uncontrollable feeling. And all I said to her was “Desiree, remember”, that’s all I had to say because I knew that whipping had gone so deep into her. I said, “Desiree remember.” She had ground to cry, I didn’t mean that she shouldn’t cry. I said, “you can cry, but you cry softly.” And she took it, but I know she wouldn’t have taken it if it wasn’t for that whipping. So we got in the car to go to the hospital and she saw her arms, it looked really bad, and she said, “Oh mom, gross!” I said,“I understand Desiree, but you can call on the Lord.” And she did, she started, “Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus!” and the Shekinah glory really came into the car, I mean thick. His presence. And we sat there and wept the three of us and I knew she was touching a realm that she had never touched before. So often, through all these years she has said to me I wish I could feel Jesus that way all the time. I had a number of experiences like that when I was a little girl. I could go back and tell you (about) the altar I was crying at my Dad’s church. So she had that one memory, then companion groups at age eight or so, then when we started high school meetings last year, and we touched God. She touched a realm that she hadn’t touched since her arms were broken. The same thing with Renee when she was little she was the same way as Desiree, pouting, controlling the house, no self-control in either case. She burned her hands on a steam pipe back in the oil fields in Yorba Linda. She was with Joel Kennon. I remember the Spirit, no one had taught me, but I knew that her burnt hands had nothing to do with what was going on right then. Like Desiree’s arms, it had everything to do with her getting under control. I remember Joel seemed a little surprised, because I said, “Renee- you shut-up! Stop yourself!” All that mattered was her getting under control. The Lord was caring for her, and she got control of herself and we took care of her hands. No control over her will. |
inlandempire
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Page 5
P: So anyhow, spanking a child is in proportion to the strength you feel in them, even more than the crime sometimes. It’s hard to answer because it has too much to do with their strength because that is so much what you are dealing with rather than the thing itself. I used to pray for opportunities to have a way to spank my five, because I knew there was no other way to deal with their need. I would pray for the Lord to create enough situations and environments where I could come to grips with it, every time I prayed like that something would happen where we would have an issue.
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S: So do you have any suggestions of what I should do with him because he is so wiggly and active?
P: You know what? I really don’t always know, I just remember with my children and I still know to this hour I wasn’t too much. By three months I expected those children to do what I said on the changing table and they did it. And at five months old one of our children insisted in turning around in her stroller and standing in it. I mean somebody had to win. And I did, and I spanked her, you know it was against my concept then to spank a five month old. I turned her around and said, “We’re going to sit down now.” She just wouldn’t listen to me. So I needed to let her know I meant what I was saying. So I took her and I said, “You’re going to sit down!, Mommy says sit down!” As I was putting her down in the seat I spanked her again, she cried real hard and she never did it again. |
loverofchrist
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It's important to note that Patsy wore the pants in their family, and Bill simply went along with most of what she said. Although Bill was a "pillar" in the church in Seattle, it only took a little bit of poison from Patsy to completely disqualify the both of them. This may be considered gossip by some, but it's an important matter with regard to the need of having a proper headship in the family.
Both Bill and Patsy Freeman eventually divided themselves from the church in Seattle, and drew many saints away from an otherwise healthy church life. Last I heard Bill was not in good health and their ministry was failing (or failed).
They need much prayer. |
inlandempire
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Posted From: 65.208.210.97
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I agree, the Freeman need much prayer.
Let's consider the facts. Patsy has been instrumental in the dissolution of over 60 marriages in over 40 years. She presently is involved in ongoing divorce proceeding in Arizona, Oregon, and Washington State. The only apparent skill sets she has mastered since high school are manipulation, coercion, child abuse, and spiritual abuse of adults.
Nothing is impossible with God. However, Patsy has a long history of never submitted to any authority. Please continue to pray for her present and former victims, also. Many are still grieving the loss of their loved ones, after many years of suffering. |
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