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rickards_scott
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Username: rickards_scott
Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 2:55 pm: | 
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Pelfdaddy & others - thanks for all the kind words!! Truly thank you! It's nice to know that someone appreciated all my sacrifice & willingness to up & move my family regardless of the cost!!!!!!!!
I moved 4 times in 4 years. God blessed each work He sent us to...and when we took these works they were all in sorry condition in one way or another, some spiritually & some financially. However upon our departure they all had either bigger buildings, more money & more people - isn't that the recipe for success in ntcc?
So I was shocked around Oct. of 2003 when I was relocating for now the 4th time when no provisions were made for me. Once again I had to sell my home & squeeze our basic necessities into our new minivan. They just sat by & watched again. They knew I had to do this & never offered anything from the Escrow that came thru Tithe as a result of our labors! Could have I made better financial choices? Sure! Could have I saved a little more? Sure! But what does that have to do with what is owed to us biblically. It was at that point that my lovely wife & I decided we "aint" never moving for NTCC again...that Amarillo would be our home & it was also at this point, 4 years ago, that we first contemplated leaving ntcc.
Who can have any real amount of money when you have moved 4 times in 4 years?
Understand I was operating under the impression that I was going to be "biblically" taken care of from the Escrow account, which on my watch accumulated 10's of thousands in 1.5 years. Doesn't the bible say something about preaching elders being worthy of double honor, about not muzzling the ox that treads out the corn, & who goes out to battle at their own charges!!! I think the Lord (joking) forgot a parenthetical insertion with these verses I paraphrased above: (except for NTCC pastors)!!
Have I ever received financial assistance from pastor or the escrow? Yes! Pastor has helped me to a conference or two...that was nice. I received help from the Escrow here in Amarillo when I was on the verge of being homeless...that was nice! But why does it have to get to this point?!?!?!?! And why does it always come with strings attached?!?! I am truly thankful for any financial assistance from pastor. But any help that has come from the Escrow isn't from the Org or from Pastor - it is from (i say again) a result of my labors! On rare occasions when money is authorized from an Escrow, the Org isn't doing us any favors...it's biblically already ours & the churches...hello!!
When Jesus died on the Cross he delivered us from Sin, Sickness & the curse of Poverty! Thanks to the Lord, I am healthy & living victoriously over sin (even though I'm not in ntcc) & now it is time be delivered from the curse of poverty!
Again thanks for financial assistance for conference & for keeping from being homeless - but you can't buy my loyalty - loyalty is a two way street!
Sorry for the length of it…I could write a book on my stories & Kurt's.
This Redneck is out! |
bfamily
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Username: bfamily
Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 68.251.102.157
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 3:33 pm: |
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So did they ever come to you and ask you to pray about moving when you made that stand? |
rickards_scott
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Username: rickards_scott
Post Number: 8
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 4:18 pm: |
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Are you referring to my decision in Amarillo to not ever move again? If so, I wasn't asked to move while in Amarillo, but If I had been asked the answer would have been NO! Because I had prayed & the Lord let me know my moving days with NTCC were over. Our resolution or stand as you term it was made after arriving to our last & current destination.
I hope I understood your question correctly...if not, plz clarify. |
bfamily
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Username: bfamily
Post Number: 8
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 68.251.102.157
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 6:16 pm: |
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Yes that was exactly what I was asking. |
clearwater
Junior Member
Username: clearwater
Post Number: 49
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 24.17.248.210
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 11:21 pm: |
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"pastor helped me to a conference or two, that was nice"
Tell us you did not give a pledge upon your arrival at those particular conferences? Say it aint so Joe. Like a boxer fixated on on the right hand jab, he gets caught with an upper cut.
Couldn't resist, please forgive the cynacism. Seems the more I read from old friends the more suspect over many practices I become. |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 54
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 8:50 am: |
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TO SCOTT: did you have to pay the money back from escrow that was given to you to help keep your family from being homeless?
I think if I hear one more story about a preacher and his family being on the verge of homelessness, I'll SCREAM!
We all lived like that.
Back in 1995 when we went to Pittsburgh...it was a hot, nasty summer. It's the summer that elderly folk were dying in places like Chicago because of the extremely high temps and humidity.
It was July and my mom and grandmother visited us in Pittsburgh. They walked into our apartment (with no air conditioning)...and I felt so bad for them. I wanted to be able to be a proper hostess to them...as they had always been to us when we would visit them.
Instead, they had to get a hotel room and we didn't have the money to even chip in and help pay for it. I really didn't even know how I was going to provide the extra grub to feed us all.
There was no way that my mom was going to have us pay for anything. She took care of us.
She returned to Myrtle Beach and not long after that...sent us a moving van full of stuff...including a microwave, furniture...and just all sorts of things.
When I visited my grandmother in New Jersey that next Easter for a day (that's all I could spare...was a day.)...I heard her telling someone on the phone (she doesn't have all the tact in the world)...that we lived like "jerks".
That hit me hard.
Because we did live like jerks...ever since arriving in Bible school, we lived like jerks.
I have to tell you though...I'm not really sure how a jerk lives...but in context...I could conjure up an image in my mind.
Many of us have related our stories upon leaving this group as to how we were "on the verge of being homeless" and we did it...as unto the Lord. Why else would we have put our children through that? Why else would husbands put their wives through that? It's because you have this notion that things will change...but after almost 20 years...there are the same struggles and the same hardships and the same constant sacrifices made...and it cannot change...because the SYSTEM isn't set up for that.
And for those who had an escrow account that was built up while they were laboring in a city...they absolutely deserve their portion. I believe it is owed to them...with interest.
It's another outrageous stunt that Davis and his cohorts pull...they roam about seeking bank accounts to devour.
There is not one NTCC minister looking into this forum who can dare say that any of this is a lie...because come Sunday night...when you get out your trusty report...you will think...and I hope you think long and hard about what is going on with the MONEY! and with families and with constant living in hard times.
I believe for many...this truth has already hit home, but you are just too anxious about making the move. We all know. We know the questions that run through your mind.
Freedom from this group is necessary for your well being and that of your family...
...in my humble opinion. |
waitingtoexhale
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Username: waitingtoexhale
Post Number: 8
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 67.9.98.56
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:27 am: |
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...Wow your Grandma is tough lol! |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:34 am: |
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She's a Roman Catholic Italian from Jersey...what would you expect?
She's actually a classy lady...everything matches...purse, shoes,...the whole nine yards. She's always been a hostess with the mostess... who comes from sturdy stock. She's almost 90. She still lives on her own. |
rickards_scott
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Username: rickards_scott
Post Number: 9
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:34 am: |
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I actually know of a pastor & his wife in ntcc who were homeless...they lived in their car. From what I understand of the story, to NTCC's credit, they "fixed" the situation when made aware, but again, why did it get to that place?
Oh, I know why, it is because he was a financial failure; it is because he hasn't saved 10% his entire life; or because he had a credit card balance; it is because he didn't do what he was taught; it is because he's stupid, etc!!! Of course I'm being sarcastic to say the least!
I'll tell you why he was homeless in NTCC, because he had to pay the church rent; because he had to pay the church utilities; because he had to fund nearly everything out of his wallet -that's why! Because he loved God so much he was willing to do anything & make any sacrifice regardless of how foolish (i say that respectfully.) He knew that if he was to ask for money or assitance, that first of all, he would probably have to pay it back, & secondly, he would be in danger of being replaced by someone who really had it put together!
This reminds me of another story - how about another pastor I know that was living on MRE's (wife & children too) for crying out loud - lost his job - about had a nervous break down - couldn't pay the church rent, he was given some money from the org only to have to pay it back (while unemployed & living off of MRE's) & was told that if he didn't "get it put together" that they would send someone who could make things happen!
How about other "pastors" I know who have had to turn in "voluntary surrender" their automobiles in order to pay for the church or to feed their families, etc. Credit ruined - huge balances owed after auction prices, etc!
Why is it that NTCC is the only group I know of that claims to be so right with God, but yet it has more starving, indebted, sacrificing, homeless, car-less, furniture-less, preachers than any other church org that i've ever come in contact with!
May God be merciful & gracious to us all! |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 57
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:35 am: |
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She's a Roman Catholic Italian from Jersey...what would you expect?
She's actually a classy lady...everything matches...purse, shoes,...the whole nine yards. She's always been a hostess with the mostess... who comes from sturdy stock. She's almost 90. She still lives on her own. "Whadda" you expect? |
waitingtoexhale
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Username: waitingtoexhale
Post Number: 9
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 67.9.98.56
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:56 am: |
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Sir...Pastors starving and their families going without is not confined to one organization in particular. I remember going to one Pastors house for dinner with my family. His wife and family were very well dressed and drove a new car(that was given to them). The dinner was expertly prepared and delicious! I excused myself and went to the bathroom that was upstairs and could not believe what I saw. There were several floor to ceiling cracks in the walls, and the Pastor's family was sleeping on the floor of the parsonage. I felt sick...and ashamed...and unfortunately this is all to common in the Christian church. I remember my Pastor at NTCC scraping by too...some how smiling and encouraging when everything was not going so well in the wallet. I am sorry to say it but I have seen pagans take better care of their clergy than most Christians do.
WTE |
tracypelfrey
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Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 58
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:17 am: |
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"waitingtoexhale"...you bring up something very important:
you said:
"I remember my Pastor at NTCC scraping by too...some how smiling and encouraging when everything was not going so well in the wallet. I am sorry to say it but I have seen pagans take better care of their clergy than most Christians do."
I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAUSED US TO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING OUR FELLOW MINISTERS AT CONFERENCES...AT LEAST FOR ME...WE HAD THIS bond...THIS UNSPOKEN "thing"...THIS DOING WITHOUT...WITHOUT LETTING ON...WITHOUT LETTING US HINDER US IN OUR WORK TO HELP OUR FELLOW MAN FIND THEIR WAY TO CHRIST...
...it is the thing that brings me to tears and makes me appreciate and love these brethren so much. It's why I couldn't wait to see them at conferences. WE had this bond...and we probably never knew exactly what IT was. But it is there.
Don't get me wrong...there are those who complain and who make it KNOWN...that they are doing without and that they sleep on the floor and that they are, as you say, scraping by.
It was Christ...IN US...which held our tongues.
We love Him.
We devoted ourselves to Him.
We did what we did and we told our children...it was for Jesus.
We worked until we could hardly keep our eyes open...and then...would go home and prepare meals fit for kings...just for the joy of having the brethren over...and to be able to "SERVE" them and treat them royally...as they deserve.
I was speaking to someone on the phone the other night. I was telling her how much I appreciated her and I told her that I would like to plan a BASH...maybe next year. A reunion...where we could have plenty of advance notice...and just get together and no matter where each of us is in our lives...just get together and enjoy one another...knowing...no one else UNDERSTANDS us...like each of us does of the other. (does that make sense...because it may read awkwardly, but I hope you understand).
TO BE CONTINUED... |
bro_derrick
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Username: bro_derrick
Post Number: 2016
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 75.196.111.76
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:14 pm: |
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"Oh, I know why, it is because he was a financial failure; it is because he hasn't saved 10% his entire life; or because he had a credit card balance; it is because he didn't do what he was taught; it is because he's stupid, etc!!!"
And don't forget a thoroughly deadening weight and life-defying burden of a 'soulwinning program' made out of the blitzing fire of hell (James 3:6)
"Why is it that NTCC is the only group I know of that claims to be so right with God, but yet it has more starving, indebted, sacrificing, homeless, car-less, furniture-less, preachers than any other church org that i've ever come in contact with!"
Well, Davis got his tootsies bloodied in the Phillipines for the sake of preaching, what's these other complaints compared to that??
Yes, Yes, I know, he also slept on the hood of his car a couple of times while getting out of debt on the evangelical field, and he slept in the back of a church while building it to Pentecostal profit.
Yet, the main thing is that NONE of those things that man might have ever really done, was EVER under the organized weight and burden of truly covetous and sadistically spiritual great Leaders, who wrested Scripture, twisted faith, and hi-jacked the ministerial calling to PUSH people into it (!)... for their own pesonal success.
I mean, since when did a person ever feel sorry for the money that he put to work to make more money? I mean, that's what money is for, right?
And souls are Davis' coin-of-the-realm, that he absolutely and truly believes he has EVERY RIGHT to put to work to make more for himself, because he invested his personal time... to MAKE souls do so! (Can you believe it? This really is the covetous and sick spirit we're confronting here. You think the synagogue-building Pharisees were bad? Try Davis & Co.) |
bro_derrick
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Username: bro_derrick
Post Number: 2017
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 75.196.111.76
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:18 pm: |
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(P.s. And I don't mean for a little season either. I mean for the long-haul of hauling you and yours' around several times at Davis' will and desire...)
"Bro Ashmore didn't even need to pray about it!" Davis' trumpeting Ashmore's willingness to do and go wheresoever Davis wanted: without prayer.
You see, the FIRST error any Davis-follower can make is PRAYING, and THEN actually thinking you could get an answer personally from Jesus to YOU, without Davis' intercession and likely intervention.
Davis is mediator for the Mediator in Davis' Organization of churches. Davis the (wanna-be and acting) Christ
Didn't Jesus say you should be willing to leave and forsake all for His calling? Well then, so it ought be at Davis' bidding for Jesus to you!
And this is yet another perversion of the ministry of Christ, where we are to be YOUR servants for Jesus' sake, NOT to make you OUR servants as if for Jesus' sake... |
victorjohanson
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Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 65
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 66.230.101.251
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 1:43 pm: |
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"Why is it that NTCC is the only group I know of that claims to be so right with God, but yet it has more starving, indebted, sacrificing, homeless, car-less, furniture-less, preachers than any other church org that i've ever come in contact with!"
Scott, I see you've been doing some profitable thinking. Good for you, and welcome to the fellowship of the departed. |
seethruu
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Username: seethruu
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 75.170.147.224
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 3:20 pm: |
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tracy,---howdy. i don't know if you have read my other posts directed at your husband, but this is the kind of love i'm talking about, brethren with brethren. and yes i do know what your talking about and still experience it. even though i'm still apart of ntcc this is what keeps it going, love, love, love. the spewing of hate that i read is what makes me sick, please don't feel like i am singling you and your husband, but what i read on here is alot of hate, bitterness, jealousy. we were taught better then that. even if you don't like the words of the leaders, some of the words they spoke were the words of christ and they must be obeyed if we-notice i said we, are to get to heaven. i don't hate, i'm just sick of the pretense that all this junk that is said is love. tracy if i'm wrong will you pray for me, and in sincerity, i'll pray for you, i did pray for you and your husband in prayer meeting last night. thank you your friend, seethruu |
seethruu
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Username: seethruu
Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 75.170.147.224
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 3:24 pm: |
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tracy,---howdy. i don't know if you have read my other posts directed at your husband, but this is the kind of love i'm talking about, brethren with brethren. and yes i do know what your talking about and still experience it. even though i'm still apart of ntcc this is what keeps it going, love, love, love. the spewing of hate that i read is what makes me sick, please don't feel like i am singling you and your husband, but what i read on here is alot of hate, bitterness, jealousy. we were taught better then that. even if you don't like the words of the leaders, some of the words they spoke were the words of christ and they must be obeyed if we-notice i said we, are to get to heaven. i don't hate, i'm just sick of the pretense that all this junk that is said is love. tracy if i'm wrong will you pray for me, and in sincerity, i'll pray for you, i did pray for you and your husband in prayer meeting last night. thank you your friend, seethruu |
tracypelfrey
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Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 61
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 3:46 pm: |
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Dear See Thru:
You may not have had time to read the post I directed to you on another thread, but let me ask you this:
Will you please provide examples of Hate, Jealousy and Bitterness that you have found on this forum?
Thanks,
TRacy
P.S.: the Devil spoke the words of Christ also...but that was no reason for anyone to hang out with the dude, was it? Should he have been given a "pass"...just because he "spoke the words of Christ?" That's a bit "out there"...wouldn't you agree?
Some of what you are saying comes across as mere regurgitations of your inner programmings. |
weezer
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Username: weezer
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.6.242.188
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:15 pm: |
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you only think it's hate and such. some of it is, but that's a minority. you can't see it while you're "in" |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 65
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:33 pm: |
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To: See Thru:
I've been catching up on some factnet reading this afternoon...inbetween bouts of coughing and blowing my nose...and you say that you've been in the organization for 22 years and "what not"...correct?
What is it that causes you not to post who you are?
And, I'll ask you another, more specific question:
You said that you haven't seen examples of things which have been posted on this forum about the organization. That is a very broad statement. Could you get specific? Could you please tell me what things you read on this forum which caused you to say to yourself, "I've never seen that"
Are you saying that you haven't seen ANY of what is posted here about the organization? Or just some things.
What are those some things?
Also, are you a minister in NTCC?
Have you ever hosted a fellowship meeting in a local church?
If so, did you think it was right to send all the money taken up in the offerings off to Graham?
If you think it is o.k...why do you think so?
Do you also think it is o.k....that folks like Vic, and Scott R. and Steve B...(and really all of us who have served in the local church)...never received anything from their escrow accounts? When are the escrow accounts used...and which individuals get to benefit from them?
Do you think that folks like Davis...should allow people to eat at McDonalds and then send all the money off to Burger King to pay for their meals?
Should one man reap the finances of another man...EXCLUSIVELY? Meaning...the man who was there when the finances were earned...the one who did the hard labor...and the "digging out of the work" (i'll use terminology you are familiar with)...or the "stepping in to take over a failing work"...should he not reap of the money...instead of the leadership of NTCC?
Is that what the Bible says?
Sorry for all the questions, but since you've been around such a long time...you must know whether you agree with these policies or not.
Thanks,
Tracy |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 66
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:35 pm: |
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One more thing See Thru...I tried very hard...and it was hard...to leave out my hate speech in the above post, but as you'll notice, I did have some trouble with the sarcastic part.
Sorry,
Tracy |
seethruu
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Username: seethruu
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 75.170.147.224
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 5:22 pm: |
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tracy,
some of the things that you listed i have seen, but i wasn't there in pittsburgh, i wasn't there in virginia, i wasn't there to hear the words, the tears, the pleas of other, i am not denying this, i am not saying there should be one accountable, just the filth that is typed on here, the name calling, that is all i'm getting at. i realize anything i say-can and will be used against me, i can handle that, no problemo. but as you put it, the hate speech. don't know much about escrows, our church is not quite that big yet. yes i hosted fellowship meeting over the years. did you know it really wasn't all that long ago, we as the host pastors got to keep the offerings, gasp. i don't know for sure but i think it was creating problems because some of the offerings were bigger in some churches then others, and you know jealously creaped in. but you know when you work on a job, you have to do what your employer says, you don't work 10 hours and get paid for 40. you know i wasn't here first, so i don't get to make the rules, but as you know if i want to stay, i have to follow the rules. which i don't have a problem with. i want to ask you one thing. so in the confusion of responding to you, we have been going back in forth on 2 threads, being i'm new here and don't have to much computer savy, would you please make a new thread in which we could carry on this discussion, it will prevent us from going back i n forth. how about addressing it as friends. thanks abunch. i'll try to answer as many questions as you like. i just got off of work, (gasp) i worked on saturday, yes i did, a fork lift driver wasn't paying attention and crushed my big toe(right foot) earlier this week. so pray for my foot. thanks tracy, your brother in christ. got to go shower now, because i smelleth.lol |
victorjohanson
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Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 67
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 66.230.101.251
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"just the filth that is typed on here, the name calling, that is all i'm getting at. i realize anything i say-can and will be used against me, i can handle that, no problemo. but as you put it, the hate speech."
So why aren't you on here denouncing "men of God" like George Jordan, David Nelson, and Mike Kekel (aka The Whirlwind) for their hateful speech? I mean, one would expect it from reprobates like us, but what about these NTCC mouthpieces spewing some of the vilest opprobrium on FACTNet? Why do you give them a pass? You said you're new here; maybe you should go back and read some of those posts and give us your opinion on them before you presume to be so critical. All you are doing now is demonstrating your ignorance and bias. |
clearwater
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Username: clearwater
Post Number: 51
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 24.17.248.210
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Factnet Council: Objection your honor! Seethruu is clearly trying to show respect and decency to TP without knowing the facts. Motion to have Seethruus remarks removed.
Factnet Judge: Sustained! One more out-burst of psuedo-civility in this forum and you will be held in contempt! Furthermore, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the history of "all" postings and standard protocols prior to posting. This will save you embarrssment and fees levied against you. Law 101: Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Do I make my self clear?
Facnet Poster: Yes your honor, quite clear indeed. "two legs bad, four legs good, two legs bad four legs good" (Animal Farm)
Facnet Judge: What is that????
Facnet Poster: Nothing your honor just clearing my throat! |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 75
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.87
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 7:20 pm: |
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sorry, i just realized your name is:
see thru u
that's more absurd |
chief
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Username: chief
Post Number: 10
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 75.104.192.59
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:39 pm: |
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Why do so many here find the need to dispute one with another?
The majority of this post seems to be of very little value to an outside reader; however Scott’s testimonies are at the very least extremely disturbing. Brothers and or their families becoming homeless in a Christian church? Doesn’t the Bible say to do good unto all men but especially to those of the household of faith? How many so called christians had to turn a blind eye to all of these atrocities? Christians mentioned in the book of Acts took care of one another. I don't need to quote any more scriptures to back this fact. Most everyone here knows the scriptures. It is sad that so many so called Christians in the NTCC lack compassion and basic consideration one for another. Out and out sinners take care of their own quite often.
That is the message in this post and we should all be saddened due to such horrendous testimony by Scott that I have no reason to believe is false. My point is that the message found in this post would be much more effective without so many disputes between one another intermingled within. This should be yet another eye opener.
(Message edited by chief on January 12, 2008) |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 76
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 69.208.5.30
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 1:10 am: |
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This story, Chief...has been told time and again on these Factnet posts...for almost four years.
Are you new here?
I see you are a new poster...but what about a reader?
And...it's nice to have another preacher show up and tell everyone how to post and behave.
Thanks,
Tracy |
tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 78
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 69.208.5.30
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 1:39 am: |
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to CLEARWATER:
In your post above, #51, you talk about civility on the part of SEETHRUUU...are you making reference to this post of his which he addresses to Vic:
"hey vic,
this is from another thread, in which he didn't answer so i am continuing. i see you read the thread, so like a true sinner you attack me, instead of l istening to the word of God, very typical. you can't answer the question either."
which part gave away his civlity...??? The part where he said: "...so like a true sinner you attack me instead of listening to the word of God, very typical"? Cause I know I was thrown off by that bout of civility also. What it really is though...is the-TYPICAL-NTCC-Preacher-whos-shows-up-on-Factnet-telling-folks-they-are-sinners-and-that-they-need-to-pray-and-read-their-Bibles-so-they-can-be-nice-and-kind-and-as-civil-as-they-are. |
chief
New member
Username: chief
Post Number: 12
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 75.104.192.37
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My intention was not to offend you Tracy. My apologies if it was taken in that fashion. I am here peaceably and I stated nothing but facts. I do not intend to engage in disputes, name calling or anything of the sort; so once again Tracy my apologies. Chief.
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tracypelfrey
Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 83
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 69.208.5.30
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There is no need to apologize. Say what you want...it's a free country...so far...and you can say what you like...in freedom. I don't care what you say...I could just do without all the "preachiness"...that's all.
Apology Accepted
And they all lived happily ever after...
The End (of this apology issue)
I know you have no intention of offending. I'm not here looking for offenses.
I'm here reporting offenses perpetrated on people by NTCC.}}} |
pelfdaddy
Senior Member
Username: pelfdaddy
Post Number: 1046
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 166.214.102.103
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These threads are like an Italian family at dinner, chief.
We shout and fume and slap each other across the back of the head, but we eventually get around to discussing the topic.
More importantly, there is no requirement among ex-ntcc'ers to be of one mind. Therefore, we sometimes disagree about details. The biggest disagreement is between those who think it is important to avoid saying anything negative about the .org, those who think it needs to be criticized but only nicely for the sake of persuasion, and those who would just as soon see Davis in jail and don't care who knows it.
Personally, I vascillate between the third group and the last group. |
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