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rickards_scott
New member
Username: rickards_scott
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 1:06 pm: | 
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This is Scott Rickards, the better looking of the two, but that isn't saying much! :-)
My brother has also resigned as of yesterday, 1/6/08 from NTCC.
Several have resigned recently & I know of more that are on there way! |
victorjohanson
Junior Member
Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 66.223.233.130
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 1:23 pm: |
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Well, the good news just keeps coming! Nice way to start the week. |
charger
Junior Member
Username: charger
Post Number: 35
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 71.32.36.197
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 1:30 pm: |
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Hey Scott, that's not what Sheridan said!
I know that making this decision is never easy for anyone, and I know that Kurt made this decision on his own, for himself and for his family.
Many will probably blame Scott, but anyone that knows Kurt knows that he is a man in and of himself.
To say congradulations may not come across exactly right. I know this is not something that any of us glory in or reveal over. We leave a big part of our lives behind us when we make this decsision.
To all the faithful of NTCC let me say from what knowledge I have of both Scott and Kurt, they are not leaving God, they are resigning from an organization that has alienated them and many of us a long time ago.
I think that somthing NTCC has lost focus of is that the church is large than any organization, yet as small as any individual.
Men, women, children, preachers, preachers wives, students, and even lay people are more and more making the decision to resign because they are being alienated from the ORG.
"Numbers are not everything, they are the only thing"
WRONG!
Souls are everything.
GOD BLESS YOU GUY'S. |
tracypelfrey
Junior Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.19.241
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 1:39 pm: |
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That was a great way to put it CHARGER...it isn't something to glory in or revel in...but...it is thrilling nonetheless.
I guess I always look at it from the point of view of the children. I'm glad our children and those who are around the same age...will still have time to experience a childhood which is not all about rules and regulations and do's and don't's and harshness and that they have the opportunity to have more time with mom and dad...and to make some new friends and experience what every child should at least have access to.
Most importantly though...to realize the love of God and the God who died to liberate us from the bondage of a manmade doctrine such as many of us and our families experienced for lo these many years and decades.
Our family is so delighted for all of you...and I pray that others make the move...sooner, rather than later.
Sincerely,
Tracy |
ntcctruth
Junior Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 29
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 70.102.118.90
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 11:14 pm: |
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God bless the Rickards. Those are two very nice Christian All-American families.
Hey Kurt, if you're reading this, please shoot me an email at ntcctruth@yahoo.com
More are leaving almost every week.
I think Kekel and Davis need to wratchet up more loyalty conferences again. I think they need to go back to 3 (2 in Missouri and 1 in Graham) so that the hen can reign in her chicks...
Marc Perez |
doug_allen
Intermediate Member
Username: doug_allen
Post Number: 259
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 67.35.72.9
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 11:25 pm: |
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Charger, Scott would you email me, so we could catch up? allengatorz@juno.com |
rls
Junior Member
Username: rls
Post Number: 34
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 65.28.108.137
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 12:01 am: |
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"I think Kekel and Davis need to wratchet up more loyalty conferences again. I think they need to go back to 3 (2 in Missouri and 1 in Graham) so that the hen can reign in her chicks..."
I think the chicks have grown up and are flying away from the nest. |
imaskingwhy
Intermediate Member
Username: imaskingwhy
Post Number: 129
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 208.79.15.3
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 12:49 am: |
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But wait, how can people leave a church that is so categorically right on every subject. Greg S, hurry I need another dose of "my religion is the right one, just ask me" doo doo.
Bryan David Hill |
charger
Junior Member
Username: charger
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 71.32.36.197
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 1:17 am: |
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A couple of questions. Who will be the lucky preacher sent to assume the church in Phoneix?
If you look at the offical web site of ntcc you will find that Rev. D.G. Brill is in Amarillo.
I hear Rev. St. Clair is moving from Portland OR. Wonder where he is going? This was announced prior to Kurt resigning so I am not saying that he is going there. I am just wondering if there might be someone else who has resigned recently.
I hear there are more resignations looming.
For any of you that are coming to this site thinking about leaving, let me share this with you. WHY are you prolonging the inevitable? The realization that it was inevitable, so why wait is what really pushed me over the top.
If you are thinking about leaving, it means that you are thinking, it means that you are asking the questions?
Do not allow the fear tactic of you cannot be saved outside of NTCC hold you in bondage.
There is Salvation after NTCC!
NTCC does not have a lock on the Gospel. The JW's beleive that God has a direct link to the watchtower building in Brooklyn Ny. We all know that that is not right. So why would you believe that NTCC Is the only right church? Why would you allow yourself to believe that you can only get to heaven through NTCC.
There is no Other name given under Heaven wherby we must be saved. What is that Name?????
LET GO AND LET GOD!!!!! |
rickards_scott
New member
Username: rickards_scott
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 8:25 am: |
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I would like to request that each one pray for my twin brother & his family. He has no idea that I'm posting this but it seems good to the Lord. The transition that they are going thru this week has been extremely difficult & very cruel. Without going into much detail (that will be his place not mine) they are deeply hurt by things said to them this week from "certain people." Again, plz lift them up in prayer! |
ntcctruth
Junior Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 31
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 74.50.202.54
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 9:01 am: |
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The transition that they are going thru this week has been extremely difficult & very cruel. Without going into much detail (that will be his place not mine) they are deeply hurt by things said to them this week from "certain people."
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That "treatment" of others who have left is one of the main reasons why I left. I noticed that over the years and it helped me realize that NTCC's leadership isn't what it's cracked up to be. That "treatment" is not Bible...not God...it's antichrist.
As soon as you make that realization, then you can make that break in your heart and mind and have the courage to leave "the special forces of God." Kekel and Davis wants to think they're the special forces of God...and they're almost right...they're the special forces of the god of this world...not the God of our salvation.
Marc Perez |
rickards_scott
New member
Username: rickards_scott
Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 12:45 pm: |
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Want to hear something funny? No one from the "North Pole" has ever called me & my brother to wish us a Merry Christmas in over 16 years, but all of sudden this year my brother received phone calls from the "top" expressing their Christmas cheer & their appreciation for him sticking it out & preaching the gospel in Phoenix! How convenient! Could it have been because they knew I (a compromiser) was there in Phoenix over the holiday staying in a cabin with Kurt & his family? I find it rather insulting to me & my brother's intelligence that they thought we couldn't see thru their motives for calling him!
Why is it they become overwhelmed with gratitude for your sacrifices when they perceive you are on your way out? I think they are running out of "yes men" & "overseers" to take the churches that are being resigned.
Can someone say, IMPLOSION! |
bro_derrick
Senior Member
Username: bro_derrick
Post Number: 1992
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.208.111.39
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 1:14 pm: |
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"I find it rather insulting to me & my brother's intelligence that they thought we couldn't see thru their motives for calling him!"
How many times have I told myself since departing from Davis & Denis, "Well, we reap what we sow..." When something is done to me that reminds me of how I did to others in that 'service to God'?
Did we not know how insulting to the intelligences of others as contacts we were, that they couldn't see thru our motives for calling/visiting/pumping them?
Are we so surprised when the great 'leaders' who taught us such things (having been engrossed in it for longer than we, thinking and saying to themselves how right their work is...), when they then apply the EXACT SAME contact format to us??
Do we really think other people didn't see thru it, even as we don't now, when on the recieving end?
Remember: Intelligence to Davis and current loyalists is following Davis and working his program loyally. So, they are necessarily 'dealing' with UNINTELLIGENT people, if they are not really on board.
Thus, they (now we) don't have any RIGHT to expect the benefit of an intelligent doubt, but rather only the insulting condescension of a programmed playbook (!)
"Christians don't have any RIGHTS!" Davis: Graham
How much less rights (To respect and honest behavior) do non-Christians, or rather Non-NTCCrs, have in his eyes? Especially EX-NTCCrs! (Ha!)
After all, without the Lord, we're just a bunch of babbling idiots, right? So, how can any intelligent Davis-type possibly deal with non-Davis-type babbling idiots in an intelligent way? Hm?
Sorry Scott. I'm just trying to help you get over it sooner by not expecting too much from certain folks...
After all, if we see the way things clearly are now, in the light of what we thought they were, then we can even laugh somewhat about it? Or at least not be so surprised and thus hurt over it?
"Don't Hurt Kurt, or I'll knock your block off!"
Great Scott! It's Rickards! |
ntcctruth
Junior Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 40
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 70.102.118.90
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 10:06 pm: |
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Want to hear something funny? No one from the "North Pole" has ever called me & my brother to wish us a Merry Christmas in over 16 years, but all of sudden this year my brother received phone calls from the "top" expressing their Christmas cheer & their appreciation for him sticking it out & preaching the gospel in Phoenix! How convenient! Could it have been because they knew I (a compromiser) was there in Phoenix over the holiday staying in a cabin with Kurt & his family? I find it rather insulting to me & my brother's intelligence that they thought we couldn't see thru their motives for calling him!
Why is it they become overwhelmed with gratitude for your sacrifices when they perceive you are on your way out? I think they are running out of "yes men" & "overseers" to take the churches that are being resigned.
Can someone say, IMPLOSION!
OH YES!!! You should see some of the emails I've exchanged with Kekel lately. I can see that he's getting frustrated and he's just weird. I started a thread about that, but it'll take me a while to fill it in with the emails and commentaries about them.
They're gonna have to create new assistant overseer positions in order to temporarily fill-in the gaps created by weekly/monthly attrition.
If things get too bad, then I'm afraid they'll have to send Graham Asoc's over to those works.
Marc Perez |
charger
Junior Member
Username: charger
Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 71.32.36.197
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 12:53 am: |
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Marc,
You had better watch out, if things get much worse they are going to press you back into service. |
victorjohanson
Member
Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 216.67.70.119
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 4:04 am: |
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"If things get too bad, then I'm afraid they'll have to send Graham Asoc's over to those works."
Least they could do, after that borg assimilation move on the churches around Graham to prop up their numbers. |
tracypelfrey
Junior Member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.1.222
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 8:12 am: |
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SCOTT REQUESTED:
"I would like to request that each one pray for my twin brother & his family. He has no idea that I'm posting this but it seems good to the Lord. The transition that they are going thru this week has been extremely difficult & very cruel. Without going into much detail (that will be his place not mine) they are deeply hurt by things said to them this week from "certain people." Again, plz lift them up in prayer!"
Scott, that goes without saying...or asking...those of us who have been through such a difficult...very difficult...emotional transition...well...we know the deal. We know the cruel things which are said and done to those which leave.
I want folks to know that Davis and his wife always, always, always spoke well of both Rickards families. Even though the Rickards twins are self-proclaimed rednecks...they redeemed themselves by marrying the type of women they did.
They are classy couples with lovely children with whom I had the pleasure to teach at different and sundry times during the years.
Anything said about them by ANYONE at all in the organization in a negative fashion...is just plain old sour grapes at their departure.
They've done it to just about all of us.
We are lied on and rumors are spread...to try and control the damage.
The whole tactic of calling...when they get a "sense" of trouble in paradise...is typical. I cannot tell you how many others have experienced the same deal.
But, we know of what sort you and your families are. And, we know that you went into the various cities you went into because you love the Lord and were doing His will.
I know you don't need me to post something here on your behalf, but in case anyone is reading these posts who is still in NTCC...I want you to contemplate the sort of folks who have left this organization and who are posting here on this forum...and I hope you ask yourself why we would do this. Why would we expend the time and energy?
This organization is not only abusive and controlling but they are liars too.
If you hear anything negative about those which have recently left...do not believe it. You know these men and women who have left. You broke bread in each other's homes together...you sat around the fellowship table in Graham and at conferences. You know them better than you'll ever know the Kekels and the Davis'...et al.
I just hope you don't digest everything that the leadership of NTCC is trying to force feed you.
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pelfdaddy
Senior Member
Username: pelfdaddy
Post Number: 1033
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 166.128.97.87
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 1:01 pm: |
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I know Scott better than I know Kurt, and I know that Scott worked hard, maintained a good attitude, and succeeded in planting/growing a church in each city in which he labored.
This was done with NO help from NTCC, in the face of major difficulties, and in spite of the financial burdens born by all preachers in the .org. He has been a soldier in every sense of the word, and Davis moved him around because Scott was needed. Davis used Scott to reach his own goals, and never allowed him to enjoy the increase of his labors. Every time I saw the guy, he and his family were in a new city, re-establishing their lives for the Nth time.
Now, at the end of it, Kekel has the nerve to lump them (and all of us, really) into the category of those who refused to surrender their lives! And like many of us, they obeyed, they went, they worked, and they gave, gave, gave. Yet with all this, I am certain that the goons at Graham are saying about both Rickards families what they have siad about others, that being: "I can't believe they left...after ALL WE'VE DONE for them!"
There are funnier jokes than this, but none more sick. |
clearwater
Junior Member
Username: clearwater
Post Number: 50
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 24.17.248.210
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 11:46 pm: |
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Scott, I was shocked to find out how many moves you had in such a short time. Wow!
During an ntcc graduation over holidays mandatory Saturday soul winning would at times be cancelled. The reason given was because "people have family coming". I would often ask myself, what about the families here? Perhaps it would be nice for them to have a normal weekend.
I only point that out because it seems there was no care or thought given to your family. Finances aside. How are children and families to grow living like a nomadic beduin tribe. At some point (even if you volunteered) someone should have said, "we can't allow him to do that" there are children to consider.
Alas, they didn't and alas you are gone. They lost a good faithful man. Not to be overly simplistic but one of my favorite movie genre is westerns. Any cowboy will tell you take care of your horse.
Brother, no one can guilt trip you, I know you dont need to hear this but I will say it anyway. I believe you made the correct decision for you and your family. God bless. |
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