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the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 19
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 12.217.146.28
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 7:46 am: | 
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M(r)(s). Trickery:
I agree fully, Christian ministers are wimps. Ministers in the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism take in billions of dollars annually. If you count sex scandals, again, the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism takes top honors. If you count deception, fraud, or con-men, the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism rises to the top.
Unfortunately for them, judgement day cometh! |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 3934
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.121.123
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 5:38 pm: |
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so tatm you are not a christian miniister???? talk about us all you want but that does not deny the fact that you yourself are a liar and a false preacher too |
discerner
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Username: discerner
Post Number: 28
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 99.236.178.156
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 10:02 pm: |
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TATM is a "REVEREND"....." Rev. Sandy Bryant...
And he (God) gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ."
....funny...it seems I can't find the title "REVEREND" anywhere in scripture, but only found it here, unless TATM is God...Psa 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant forever: holy and reverend is his name.
I thought this "REVEREND" preached the truth?
Who gave him the name?
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
TATM...go find another name, that one belongs to someone bigger than you or I. |
discerner
Junior Member
Username: discerner
Post Number: 29
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 99.236.178.156
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 10:04 pm: |
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TATM is a "REVEREND"....." Rev. Sandy Bryant...
And he (God) gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ."
....funny...it seems I can't find the title "REVEREND" anywhere in scripture, but only found it here, unless TATM is God...Psa 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant forever: holy and reverend is his name.
I thought this "REVEREND" preached the truth?
Who gave him the name?
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
TATM...go find another name, that one belongs to someone bigger than you or I. |
discerner
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Username: discerner
Post Number: 30
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 99.236.178.156
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 10:09 pm: |
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double posting unintentional, but the "REVEREND" error still is in effect |
xman3
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Username: xman3
Post Number: 23
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 76.251.218.162
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 3:25 am: |
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Self proclaimed reverend. It's merely an adjective to describe the supposed character of the minister and a term of honor and humility. TATM does not qualify simply by calling himself one, and as for his credentials to even be a minister, well we really don't know.
Oh, and before you (tatm) say I don't qualify either, remember, I don't call myself reverend anything. If my view of you is askew (nice rhyme, huh), you may call me irreverant if you like.
Oh yeah. Some Christian ministers are wimps. Some Christian ministers are strong men and women of character and faith. That applies to every societal group out there, though wimp is in the mind of the beholder. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.146.28
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 7:29 am: |
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M(r)(s). Discerner:
Quoting: "Who gave him the name?"
End quote.
Ye do err not knowing scripture. Reverend is an official title granted by governmental bodies, not sacred bodies. I am licensed to perform marriages and funerals. I would suggest you find a new source of information. Your religious leader is leading you astray with senseless debate.
Mr. Xman3:
Unlike yourself and the rest caught up in the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism, I have not and will not resort to character assassination to make myself look self-righteous, sorry. |
xman3
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Username: xman3
Post Number: 31
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 76.251.218.162
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 9:12 pm: |
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Unlike yourself and the rest caught up in the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism,
I have not and will not resort to character assassination to make myself look self-righteous, sorry.
Except in the same sentence .
It's probably no coincindence you would cry about my statement being character assassination in this titled thread.
(Message edited by xman3 on January 04, 2008) |
xman3
Junior Member
Username: xman3
Post Number: 32
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 76.251.218.162
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 9:46 pm: |
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What I mean is you seem to be unreasonably thin skinned here considering what you dish out.
All of our differences aside, I wouldn't call a disabled vet a wimp at all in any physical sense. Don't take it wrong. I find the whole thing quite funny from you, but my post could be misinterpreted. |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1899
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 66.245.201.60
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 11:40 pm: |
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TATM,
"Ye do err not knowing scripture. Reverend is an official title granted by governmental bodies, not sacred bodies."
I was reading the following about Charles Spurgeon this evening and your comment popped into my head:
"He objected to ordination, dropping the title Reverend in 1864."
I looked up the word "Reverend" on Wikipedia, and Webster's Dictionary, and the word "Reverend" is granted by sacred bodies, (Churches), and not government bodies. It's exactly the opposite of what you said!
Could you show me a website where a governmental agency extends the term Reverend for someone? |
mcmstaff78
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Username: mcmstaff78
Post Number: 22
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 24.99.130.74
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 10:32 am: |
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Before making much ado about nothing, one might consider the etymology and origin of the use of the title "reverend". It comes from the middle French reverend, meaning "worthy of respect," from from the Latin reverendus "(he who is) to be respected." According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, "As a form of address for clergymen, it is attested from 1485; earlier reverent (c.1380 in this sense). Abbreviation Rev. is attested from 1721, earlier Revd. (1693). Very Reverend is used of deans, Right Reverend of bishops, Most Reverend of archbishops."
While the term may be applied too loosely in some cases, how is this a violation of any biblical principle, where the scriptures themselves (which WoFers and other Pastoral rule folks are usually more than happy to remind us), instruct us "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine."
Again, to find the use of the term onerous seems to me to be straining at a gnat. |
xman3
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Username: xman3
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 76.251.218.162
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:15 am: |
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"Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine."
Reverand is a good title for them. Not everyone is so worthy however, who calls themselves reverend. They must rule well, and labour in the word and doctrine. I think correct doctrine is sort of implied here.
You're right. A gnat. |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 3940
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.121.123
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:37 am: |
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reverend is not granted by the goverment rev is a tilltle that you can take after having been ordained. to perform marriages in my state you have to be an ordained minister but the state told us that we they did not have the right to confer on us any title . this is how we do in our state. the goverment has nothing to do with it . after the church has a charter they can ordian any one they want to and they have the right that the church itself give them. this is how it is in our state |
discerner
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Username: discerner
Post Number: 31
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 99.236.178.156
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 7:25 pm: |
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TATM.you are supposed to be "MR.BIBLE" man according to your man-made credentials and licencing. Please show me in the scriptures where ministers are to have a license and can be called reverend. You are the one showing yourself to be the wimp and as for your character, you are the one doing the self-destruction. Your title of reverend IS un-biblical, thou that DO ERR NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES! Step up to the plate and PROVE to us that your "licencing is biblical and your title".
And my leader is none other than the Christ, not some man exalting himself with a name above others. I belong to a spiritual body, not a governing body....in case you are confused, that would be called the body of Christ.
....pride before destruction and a haughty spirit before the fall.
Time for people to come out of Babylon, .....and the 501c3 churches..... |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 47
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 70.221.28.98
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 9:23 am: |
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Mr. Xman3:
You obviously need to read some.
Quoting: "What I mean is you seem to be unreasonably thin skinned here considering what you dish out."
End quote.
Who is the soul of favorite posts for 2007? |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Junior Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 70.221.28.98
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 9:31 am: |
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M(r)(s). Discerner:
Quoting: "TATM.you are supposed to be "MR.BIBLE" man according to your man-made credentials and licencing. Please show me in the scriptures where ministers are to have a license and can be called reverend. You are the one showing yourself to be the wimp and as for your character, you are the one doing the self-destruction. Your title of reverend IS un-biblical, thou that DO ERR NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES! Step up to the plate and PROVE to us that your "licencing is biblical and your title"."
End quote.
Why waste my time? Next to Mr. MCMSTAFF78, you know more than any (wo)man living. |
turtle
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Username: turtle
Post Number: 1720
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.66.229.201
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 2:08 pm: |
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This is stupid thread, Ministers do not need a title if they are truly a minister, they minister without licenses and without creditials. Creditials though are not for a certificate but for the education. We need education to help us deal with things that come up we do not understand and in a since that is a false as well. Is not God on our side, Does He not indwell each born again believer. Education should expand one mind of the world. Creditials and title is just a plus not a necessity. |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 3952
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.121.123
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 3:00 pm: |
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turtle.. no a credintial is not required to make one a minister. but it is required by our laws at least in my state.therefore we have a charter for our church and as such we can grant the title reverend, bishop, elder or what ever we desire to do as the goverment cant say anything about that. we can perform marriages, serve communion and baptise as the church alows. but this also cant be said it can or cant be done by the goverment except for the marriage that has to be done by a mininister who has goverment approval. we grant our ordained ministers to perform marriages and conduct funerals and to baptise. the licensed ones have to wait till they are ordained to do so. but this is in our church. i do not say it has to be done in other churches as they may have different rules. we do preach the word and that is required of all of our ministers that they preach GODS WORD with out compromise. i do not mean to offend any one but that is how it ia done in our churches. if you were a memember of our church we would license you then after proving your self ( a year , six months or only a few weeks ) we would ordain you with all rights in our church. we do not do mail ins or sell our ordianations or licenses or ordaination papers |
mcmstaff78
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Username: mcmstaff78
Post Number: 24
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 24.99.130.74
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 3:34 pm: |
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Yes, just what the world needs is more self-appointed, pseudo-anointed "ministers". The arguments above represent a good reason why christendom, particularly in America, is fraught with fraud, hucksterism and the most abominable "interpretations" of scriptures and insane teachings one could ever happen upon. |
turtle
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Username: turtle
Post Number: 1721
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.66.229.201
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 5:05 pm: |
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Most people do not know they can go to the courthouse in some states and fill out paper work and get a state license. Though in a church or most churches require proof of ministry. In other words I could go right now and get licensed by my state from what I understand. Which is really stupid, yet ther maybe laws I am not aware of, I haven't really looked into it. I actually was offer ordination through one group and had not even proven myself, I said hold it something is very wrong here. I was weak enough in the Lord but not totally stupid. I think maybe this was a big red flag for me. I think ministers need to show they are worthy first. But state will license anyone to marry people. That is a totally different thing. Ministry is about caring about people and reaching out to people. I have yet to see a true minister not willing to bend over backwards for hurting people. I have seen minister say no though when there plate was to full. Ministers are prone to overdoing. Must learn to pace and run the race at a comfortable speed. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 49
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 70.220.40.255
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 8:17 pm: |
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Quoting: "Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 12:10 pm:
I am out of here final post.
turtle
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Username: turtle
Post Number: 1714
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.66.229.201 |
turtle
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Username: turtle
Post Number: 1723
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.66.229.201
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 8:33 pm: |
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OKay i will leave aTAm if that is what you want. But we know who each other are now don't we. lol |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 3958
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.121.123
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 8:49 am: |
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as i have said before being licensed does not make one a minister but we should obey the laws of the land as long as they do not interfer with our worship of our GOD THE LORD JESUS
please do not leave turtle |