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     fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2796 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
In the TT new publication The Blessed Friuts of Sweet Communion pdf they again use Acts 2:44 to justify living the way that they do (see page 4). they compare the Puritans desire to live a "common course" with what they are doing. the publication says that it was the human condition (selfishness) that kept them from succeeding. William Bradford (governor) said it was the devil that broke them up. He also later conceded that it was God's providence that they not live in this manner. the TT seems to be indicating that they are succeeding to live a common course. is it true? are they succeeding where all others have failed? my opinion is no. what i think is allowing them to "succeed" is simply that when one leaves another comes in. there success does not lie in their piety, but rather their ability to recruit new members. while i do think that some experience a profound change when they are baptized, i do not think that it can be sustained in the face such stringent rules and regulations. i believe the human spirit must be free. the Amish and the Mennonites have shown more ability to succeed in this endeavor than the TT ever will. please compare this view of the Puritans with an article on the American Heritage website | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1911 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
In the past 5 years many longtimers("Nucleus") have left. Most who did not rise to the ruling class/brahman, but there has been a few elders who have left also. I publicly commend them for their actions and courage to do so. Now if we could only help them to shed all the fear  that the tribes have instilled in them and get them to speak openly and publicly about what they know and have experienced in the tribes that does not "jive" with the TTs "jive"!  | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2797 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
Now if we could only help them to shed all the fear....and get them to speak openly and publicly is that something that is even possible? if you go back to the beginning of these threads you will see some of that happening. what changed naba? why did they all stop posting? | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1912 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
My rants might have scared them...I hope not. Scare might be the wrong word. Maybe it was disgust or even distaste to be associated with me. Or fear? I dont know. I am considered an implement of the "evil one" by the tribes! I even got reliable info that I was a subject on one of the TTs "inside" publications.("The Communicator") Heck! Yahshua was a heretic!  If we could just focus....(or rather myself...) | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2799 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
i went to the factnet exchange and asked how to access the archives. i was thinking maybe if we dug up some of the old stuff maybe we could get some response. that all depends on who is still reading what is posted here. i get the feeling i am just wasting my time. | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1913 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
I still think we have a "cult following"!  But their reading in secret. Factnet has probably been publicly banned in the Tribes. Your not wasting your time! You could be helping someone right now! And at least your keeping me company and a few others nice folks!  | ||
| anon_e_mus Advanced Member Username: anon_e_mus Post Number: 758 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 71.168.197.7 |
Wow, Dave....I appreciate your candor. I tell you what... if we could get some back.. it would help my family... thanks for your help and encouragement your posts to me today. | ||
| lets_be_real New member Username: lets_be_real Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.98.157.3 |
Fatherofaking, How do you consider them to be suceeding? My last thread Holy and set apart or just set apart. | ||
| fatherofaking New member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
How do you consider them to be suceeding? they have succeeded in building an institution 3000 strong. that is the only success i see. they have not succeeded in making a place where people can be set free from bondage. this is a post i did some time back. it states my opinion on the subject about as well as i can state it. why is it that people think that the holy spirit is a prison warden? why is it that we cannot be baptized and then set free? isn't that what is supposed to happen? were not Ananias and Saphira free? was not the Ethiopian eunuch baptized and set free? Philip did not even have a say in the matter. he was translated out of there immediately after the baptism. the TT is a prison. why do they insist that we have no choice but to give them everything we own, including our hearts and minds? don't those things belong to god? what if we were baptized and then set free to do what god gives each of us to do? that may include staying it may not. would the world then be set free one person at a time? does having it in our heart to go to our own country and kinsman mean that we would not love our brothers and sisters? some of us still hold that love in our hearts for them. why do they insist that we be imprisoned? is that really what Jesus taught? building the kingdom is god's job not some small group of self appointed apostles. original post this is my opinion of why they are not any more successful than they have been. i think they will be truly successful when they stop holding people captive. one day i hope to see that happen. one day someone is going to start baptizing people and there will be no more requirement than john the baptist or the original apostles had. that will be the day that people will truly begin to be set free. i long to see that day. when i am ready i will be doing it myself. | ||
| lets_be_real New member Username: lets_be_real Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.98.157.3 |
I believe in set apart church of acts. I just wish they had the power to be obedient. To me it's a matter of choice. 3,000 seems to be in holding. Many come and go. Each generation is supposed to become more pure. I don't see as that being the case so much. Many rebellious and ultimately fall away. Then some of those being there the longest tend to abuse there authority. I agree that many live in fear, having there human voice silenced afraid to speak the truth. | ||
| fatherofaking New member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
I believe in set apart church of acts it seems many have their own idea of what that means and how it is to be achieved. yet nobody can achieve it. there should be no opinion on how god works. | ||
| lets_be_real New member Username: lets_be_real Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.98.157.3 |
So then what are we to believe and how are we led? It could be achieved if people were willing to take it on. I believe in the word. It's why our master asked the question if he would find faith on the earth. In the community we sang the song, obedience is the only way to show that you believe. But you have to walk the walk not just talk the talk. I left and ofcourse disqualified but what did I leave from. Weakness or Rebellion the proof is in the puddin. Are they producing the fruit of the kingdom. Faith comes from hearing but seeing is believing. Show Me | ||
| fatherofaking New member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
lets be real, if you are like myself, you went to the TT because you really wanted to do the right thing. you loved god and just wanted to serve him and be with his people. if this is true then you are no different than the rest of us. as far as i can tell, everyone of the ex-TTers i have met seem to be sincere in their search. it took me a lot of searching before i realized that the search starts and ends with myself. what we are really looking for is peace. peace comes from being true to yourself. if we are true to ourselves we will be true to others. if you really want to see, you are going to have to open your eyes. the TT have one thing correct, christianity is on it's way out. the one thing that they missed is that they are included. the truth is coming out more and more every day. we are on the verge of a paradigm shift. knowledge is increasing everyday. not just in the area of science, but religion as well. it is clear that christianity is not what it says it is. there is more than enough evidence to show that christianity is not the exclusive judge of the world it makes itself out to be. it's roots are as old as religion itself. i am not talking about the time of moses either. religion has always been the same. just the names and rituals are different from culture to culture. this is good news. we are free. the thing called "salvation" that religion has hung over our head all of our lives with the threat of eternal damnation is actually our birthright as human beings. no man can give us something we already have, and no man can take it away. it is the one thing that makes all of us equal. we have the power to forgive. therefore we hold our own salvation in our own hands. LBR, you are going to have to face up to who you are. you are the only one who can save you. in fact, we are all counting on you to do just that. we need each other if the human race is going to survive. we are in for a ruff time ahead. people like yourself are in the minority. you know how hard it is to find like minded people in this country, the rest of the world is no easier. most people are not going to be able to bear the coming changes. chaos will be the norm in many places. you already have the key to overcome. you say show me, i say show yourself. Heb. 12: 12-16 12Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak and the knees that are feeble, 13and make straight paths for your feet, so that the limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed. 14Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; 16that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. don't give away your birthright. | ||
| nabashalam New member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
"12Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak and the knees that are feeble" Lately Ive been feeling feeble. I have exhausted my strength on trying to find a path after I had the veil ripped and saw there was no God... I feel empty with no where to turn... "13and make straight paths for your feet, so that the limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed." I cant go backwards and see no viable path ahead! "14Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord." Ive made more enemies in my struggle then friends.... "15See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;" My bitterness has caused trouble and I know I have defiled some and made others to question their faith...and I loathe myself for it... "16that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. don't give away your birthright." Have I sold mine? Is there sanctification for an agnostic? Is it wrong to have a God I cant nail down?(no pun intended) Where do I find solace? | ||
| fatherofaking New member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
Lately Ive been feeling feeble. I have exhausted my strength on trying to find a path after I had the veil ripped and saw there was no God... I feel empty with no where to turn... earlier i was thinking, "how is it that i am going to get past this place i am in?" "what path, what technique, what shall i do?" "i have read it all before i thought, what is left to learn?" "everyone says the same things just in different ways." all of this was going through my head, then i got hungry. so i decided to put on some water to cook some rice. i came back to my computer while i waited for the water to boil and brought up factnet, like i often do when i just give up trying. factnet has become a refuge for me to indulge in my own self importance. i figure if i can't figure out how to run my own life, i will just go and tell someone else how to run theirs. it is an awful thing that i do to myself and others. i have been trying to just stop coming to factnet all together. that has yet to happen. so enough of that. i saw that you had posted something so i thought i would check it out. you made my day David. a lost soul, what better can their be for someone as enlightened as myself! i was humbled to the core. "what can i say to this man," i thought? "i have nothing more than he does." it was then that it hit me. humility, that is what i have to offer. a humble spirit that cares for a hurting soul. love one another, we are told. why? so we can see who we are, that's why. is god not love? is there anything higher than charity? it takes humility to truly love. what does it take to be humble? faith of course. we have to believe that it is worth it. being humble means being vulnerable. being vulnerable can mean bad things for us sometimes. jesus was crucified for goodness sake (no pun intended). you see David, as i have said before, we are all in the same boat. science will never answer the question of whether there is a god or not. there will always be another question to be answered. god is in the realm of faith not science. every time science teaches us more, it just increases our faith! god is bigger than science can ever be. faith is what fills the gap. of knowledge there is no end. you already know that much. so what do we do if we can never learn enough? what path do we take? who can tell us? nobody that's who, nobody but ourselves. humbly accept who you are David. it is only when we do this that we can love one another. this is when we receive the answers we are looking for. a humble man may be crucified, but he will die in peace. | ||
| fatherofaking New member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
i really like this website. maybe someone else will too. www.heartmath.org | ||
| nabashalam New member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
Thanks FOAK...I needed that. Heretic to heretic. | ||
| intransition Member Username: intransition Post Number: 56 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.159.240.232 |
It' nice to hear the honesty in this thread. The only thing (I think) I know about God any more is that he appreciates real and broken people. That is where hope lies. | ||
| fatherofaking New member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
The only thing (I think) I know about God any more is that he appreciates real and broken people. That is where hope lies. what you speak is the power of the cross. Lk. 9:22-23 | ||
| nabashalam Junior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, the sacrifice acceptable, to God is a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, broken down with sorrow for sin and humbly and thoroughly penitent, such, O God, You will not despise. |
