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the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1022
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 75.200.39.116
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 3:55 pm: | 
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On another thread, the Right Reverent and Most Holy, Ms. Turtle claimed that one should turn a deaf ear to the scandals of the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism, an enormous number of bad apples do not make the barrel of apples bad. We may deduce the same in reverse. A huge number of good apples do not make a barrel of apples good.
The best example available is the Shriners’ Children’s hospital. You will not, I don’t believe, find a single thread on this board dealing with the horrors of the Shiners’ Children’s Hospital, its staff or supporters on factnet.com. Does that make the Masonic Lodge a good barrel of apples? I do believe I can get an argument started pretty quick on that subject.
Take a quick look at the thread entitled “Earl Paulk.” Did you notice that not one single pentecostal has condemned Earl Paulk? Why? How long do you think a pedophile would last at the Shriners’ Children’s Hospital? Even the Roman church eventually got around to dealing with the pedophiles in their pulpits. Why do you think the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism is unable to deal with its own scandals?
Jim Bakker? Ever hear of him? After being caught, publicly, Bakker’s ministry license was revoked by the Assembly of God. Because of the scandal? No, because their constitution did not permit a divorcee to hold a ministry license. So what did AoG do? Changed its constitution to give ministry licenses to divorcees. The money Bakker brings into that organization is simply too good to pass up.
Do too many bad apples make a group a cult? No, but bad doctrine does. |
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 3877
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.119.3
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 4:15 pm: |
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i would never be a mason for they swear oaths to a false god and still claim to be christian. i have one of their books written by their own main person who tells of what they do there sure a lot of them claim to be christian but the cant and take oahts they do take. i condemn earl paulk and anyone else who partakes of pedophileism but i have never heard earl paulk did that but was involvoled with a woman or women in his congration . if he repents he is saved then and is not to do that again. as far as jim baker and the assemblies of GOD i am not assemblies so i dont know what their constitution is on marring again after divorce, but if jim baker is forgiven he is forgiven. after all his wife did divorice and remarry before he did while he was still in prison. so he had a right to marry since she was already married. and i dont want to talk abut the dead but she was probally already running around before the divorice. sure it may hae to do with money why they kept him on i dont know but if a person is called to preach he is called and the bible say that the gifts and callings of GOD are with out repentance. in other words GOD is not going to change HIS MIND about us just cause we mess up |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Senior Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1026
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 6:44 pm: |
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Mr. Arron:
As is normal, you speak in utter confusion. I will be happy to post your defense of Earl Paulk, if you like. Even in this post, you declare to forgive Earl Paulk and Jim Bakker, but pure hatred for the Shriners. By the by, the Bible does not say the gifts and callings of God are without repentence. It does say God's choice of Israel stands solid. You need to read the entire Bible and not just your religion's hand-chosen exserts. |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 3881
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.119.3
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 7:14 pm: |
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tatm before you do please show me where i defended earl paulk or jim baker. the bible does teach the gifts and callings of GOD are wwithout repnetance. you need to read what GODS WORD says and not what your foolishish and darkened heart says about it. and the masons of which the shriners are a part is a demonic worship cult their main doctrines pledge alegence to a fase god. i have pikes manuel of the masonic orders or degrees the masons include the shriners , the one for the women and anything else connected with the masons. the eastern star for women is aslo the one im talking of. did i say i forgive earl paulk or did i say i forgive jim bakker no i said if they had asked forginess they were forgiven. GOD (JESUS ) DOES THE FORGIVING AND as a christian i also must forgive or i cant be forgiven. also romans 11:29 tell me that the gifts and callings of GOD are with out repentance. and yes it says that isreal still has all the things promised to them ( this is what it teaches) so also it is with every promis or calling of GOD . they are not going to be changed just cause we mess up. if we repent we shall be saved and forgiven if we repent we are forgiven. the bible say in duetoronomy 24:1 and on down that if a man foind some uncleaness in his wife he can give her a divorice and she can go and be another mans wife , so it stands to reason ( which you seem to be pretty good at ) that if a woman left or divoriced a man that he too would have the same rights. tammy faye divoriced her husband while he was in jail. why did she marry again, wjy did she wait till he got in jail to divorice him and marry again as soon as she could. he is just as free as she was ( she dead now ) and GOD does not change HIS MIND about a man being called to preach just because he messed up nor does HE CHANGE HIS MIND just because one remarries again. this did not come from "my religions experts" but by a personal study, study , i say of GODS WORD THE BIBLE. you may if you desire post a rebuke of my post concerning earl paulk or for that matter jim bakker just be sure it is well documented and not just what someone told you or something you read in the paper that WAS not documented. tell who said it where it came from what edition of the paper it was in and the dates of the paper and when this was to have occured, alos alon with it tell me what church you are affiliated with and who ordained you and who gave you your doctorate all of these by NAME PLEASE |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Senior Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1029
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 9:33 pm: |
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Mr. Arron:
"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." Romans 11:1 - 32 (KJV) |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Senior Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1030
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 9:35 pm: |
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Mr. Arron:
Save yourself some trouble. The Bible does not support your religion's crapology. You have not read enough of the Bible to even know who it is about. Worst yet, is the double speak you practice (claiming faked infantile gibberish is without repentence . . . as opposed to carnal salvation.)
The above is the correct division of the 11th chapter of Romans. Obviously God does not agree with your religion's filthology. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1032
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 7:34 am: |
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By the by, Mr. Arron you owe the dead an apology. It was Jim Bakker who had the affair, not Tammy Faye. Like I said before, you support the corruption in your religion's pulpits. The more filth, the more better it is for you!!! Wallow in your self-righteous filth. |
easeltine
Senior Member
Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1783
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 75.37.3.218
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 1:14 pm: |
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"...after all his wife did divorce and remarry before he did while he was still in prison, so he had a right to marry since she was already married. I dont want to talk abut the dead but she was probably already running around before the divorce."
TATM, I think Arron stated it correctly. Jim & Tammy were legally married when he went into prison. Tammy divorced Jim while he was in prison, and did remarry. Tammy may have been fooling around with her husband before she was married. Jim can legally marry since Tammy divorced and remarried. Irregardless of the probability that both may have been fooling around before he went to prison. Some rumors claim they both were...I'm not sure you can prove it...anymore than you can prove Parham was a homosexual...buddy. |
easeltine
Senior Member
Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1784
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 75.37.3.218
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 1:16 pm: |
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The Masonic Lodge is demonic. I condemn the Masonic Lodge. I am a Pentecostal. Does that make you feel better? |
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 3884
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.119.3
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 1:41 pm: |
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tatm... you are still a liar and a rough neck who just wants to argue. iv been told my some on this board just to avoid talking with you for you just want to argue. i will ask you what has romans got to do with divorce and remarring? what has the 11 chapter of romans got to do with the gifts of THE SPIRIT. what has the 11 chapter of romans got to do with any of the things we have spoken of. any way if you read the bible like you claim to do and if you will read romans 11 you will find that it deals with isreal being brokne off so that we , the gentiles could be grated in and for us to be careful and not fall into unbeleif. also it is there in the scripture the gifts and calling of GOD are with out repentance. in other words GOD doesnt change HIS MIND when HE SAYS SOMETHING OR CALL SOMONE IT IS NOT CHANGED JUST BECAUSE THEY FAIL HIM HE WILL sinply use then in a different capsity and it is rumored that tammy was running around with a singer .. before jim had the affair. i dont justify either one for what they did . i do not owe the dead an apology, either for one thing i dont talk to the dead . do you? is that where you are getting your "theology" my religion has nothing to do with what jim or tammy did or did not do you just have it in for the pentecostals for they tell you the truth and you cant stand it. you are close to blasphemy |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Senior Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1034
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 2:41 pm: |
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Mr. Arron:
Quoting: " . . . also romans 11:29 tell me that the gifts and callings of GOD are with out repentance."
End quote.
You wrote that in Post Number #3881, above. You and your friend both have got a lot of proving to do. It was Jim Bakker who was fooling around, not Tammy Faye. But requardless, Mr. Arron, you post shall live in infamy. I have taken the liberty to post it all over the net. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Senior Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1036
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 2:50 pm: |
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Mr. Easeltine:
Quoting: "The Masonic Lodge is demonic. I condemn the Masonic Lodge. I am a Pentecostal. Does that make you feel better?"
End quote.
Actually, I find it hilarious. You are man enough to boldy step forward and condemn the Shriners' Children's Hospital while exalting the filth in your religion's pulpits. hehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehe forgive me while i laugh out loud!! hehehehehehhehehehe |
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 3887
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.119.3
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 9:01 pm: |
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hey tatm ill give you somthing else you can post all over the internet... TATM IS A LIAR
and the masons are demonic cult |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Senior Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 1043
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 70.221.163.26
| | Posted on Monday, December 24, 2007 - 8:16 am: |
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Mr. Arron:
Your personal hatred is showing, rather unsightly so for a self-profess christian. |
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 3890
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.117.176
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 3:35 pm: |
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tatm how can one wittness other than to say i am a christian GOD says in HIS WORD THE BIBLE that our spirits bare wittnes with thier spirits that we are the children of GOD it also says that we show love then know that we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren
what about you tam do you confess JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOR? do you PROCLAIM HIM TO BE LORD OF your life? i have never heard you say that you are a chrisrian are you? |
hardbones
New member
Username: hardbones
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 65.95.26.163
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 10:49 pm: |
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I'm beginning to wonder as well |
easeltine
Senior Member
Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1849
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 75.37.5.135
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 12:55 am: |
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Arron and Hardbones,
Sandy has not answered my question concerning that either:
"You can keep asking the question over and over, though you are asking a question that is false accusations and lies to begin with. You have never stated to anyone on FACTNet that you know Jesus Christ as LORD. I have my doubts about you."
Never has he stated that he knows Christ as his LORD. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
New member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 75.200.60.46
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 7:56 am: |
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Mr. Easeltine:
How does my position in Jesus Christ affect the filthology of the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism? |
matt_hatter
New member
Username: matt_hatter
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 24.214.93.12
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 10:05 am: |
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2008 resolution. Ignore TATM. Hope it catches on. Looking back, he has caused nothing but dissension on the board. |
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 3912
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.117.203
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 11:39 am: |
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well we can welcome the new year with this thought THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND PRAISE HIS NAME
and we know that tatm is not a christian, from his last post post number 2 on january the first since he said his "postion" in JESUS CHRIST affect , meaning us who believe IN HIM JESUS CHRIST |