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     charger New member Username: charger Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.38.28.127 |
I have just been reading over some old threads, Wow there is a lot of stuff on this site. I must say I do not agree with it all, but it does make one think. I am not surprised that the "MOG" often say things like "I don't read that junk on Factnet." Anyway, I have a thought here. It seems to me that everytime soneone goes out and makes it happen, it is to the glory of the organization. The preacher may get an honorable mention, "Bro. so and so went out and is making it happen." But then you always hear, "The program works." But if someone goes out and "Fails" it is always thier fault and no one elses. The fact that we are never taught in school the first thing about church finances, or church books, getting a building, etc. None of that has anything to do with it, If you "Fail" it is all you, If you succed it is all becasue of the organization. From what I understand, one of the most successful churches in NTCC is in Mississippi, pastored by Rev. Barnes. How come we never hear bout him? Why is it that he has never preached as far as I can remember in a conference? Why is his church not raised up as a shinning example? I believe, and you can correct me if I am wrong, but the answer is he does not do it according to the "Program." I think he follows the direction and the leading of the Holy Ghost. I have never been in his church, I have never heard him preach, I know little about him, except form what I have heard from others. I was just reading a little bit ago about pastors degree's. Does anyone remeber when Bro. Josh Colon got up in pastors class and asked him where he got his degree's. Of course pastor refused to answer the question. Anyway, I am looking forward to getting in touch with more of you personally as things progress. I started in the Org over 15 years ago, and am coming to the conclussion that I am ashamed of that fact. | ||
| ntcctruth Advanced Member Username: ntcctruth Post Number: 997 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 74.50.202.54 |
I bet that doctorates degree was from the school of hard knocks, Philippines. I'd say there's a 50-50 chance that there is no doctorate degree. Either that, or it came from a bible school in Missouri somewhere long ago that likely doesn't exist anymore...who knows...everything is such a mystery at NTCC because it's basically a man's family religious real estate business. The religion gives the power and the real estate gives the money. Power and money...what a narcissist like Davis wants and can't have enough of...regardless of the price his ministers and members have to pay. Marc Perez | ||
| charger New member Username: charger Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.38.28.127 |
Bro. Perez I have read numerous of your posts, and understand a lot of what you are saying. I do have one question though. Do you Hate Pastor Davis or others of the Board, etc. I can relate to the hurt and a lot of what you say, But (and I am not trying to be mean or anything) BUT, do we not all have to forgive and forget. If everything you said and say is 100% accurate, is it not still true that God will judge and we should leave that judgement to him. Please understand I am not against you and I hardly know you at all, and you probably do not know me at all. I know that I have a lot of things to work through in my life, and with God I will come forth a better Christian for having been a part of NTCC, I still believe that all things work together for the good. Anyway, just curious. | ||
| leftin1991 Intermediate Member Username: leftin1991 Post Number: 473 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.24.207.240 |
Brother Barnes, as I recall R.W. relating it, was the only minister to be ordained without having first attended NTCS, because he has a calling and a gift that is so clearly evident. I'm glad to hear that someone put R.W. on the spot about his alleged degree! R.W. was licensed by the Pentecostal Church of God without being an alumnus of their Messenger College here in Joplin Mo. His former affiliation was with the General Baptists, after he moved to St. Louis in 1955. Since he didn't get a degree from the Pentecostals, someone needs to inquire whether he got one from the Baptists! And if he attended some secular institution, either he needs to stop stonewalling and pony up the information or his claims of D.D. & Ph.D. should be considered bogus by everyone. (Maybe D.D. just means "dumb disciples" & Ph.D. means Phony Degree!) Dishonest claims of a degree happen quite often in the business world, so no big surprise for it to happen in religious "business" like NTCC. | ||
| mark_g Advanced Member Username: mark_g Post Number: 568 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.201.122.179 |
Leftin19991..... Amen,Amen,Amen!!! I asked that question back in 2005 when I was brand new to Factnet, and as of yet I have not received a solid answer. The person who asked him, In all fairness, was probably someone who looked up to him, and was just honestly asking for the sake of just wanting to know. I know that this kind of thing happens in all walks of life(people who outright lie, or embellish on their education) But it seems to happen with more frequency in the religious world, and the results are even worse, Because of the people they deceive. And it's all done in the name of the lord. I've doubted the validity of his degrees for some time now, and would have no reservations asking him point blank, and to his face. I used to have so much respect for him, But now all I have for him is...............Nothing. Nothing at all. "Dishonest claims of a degree happen quite often in the business world, so no big surprise for it to happen in religious "business" like NTCC." Maybe I'm stretching things a bit when I say this. My wife and I were in Las Vegas last week, and while we were walking Las Vegas Blvd. something occurred to me. All, or at least most of the Casinos have some kind of "Theme" to them, and it's done for the sake of drawing people into the different Casinos.(The Luxor,Egypt and the Pyramids) (Caesars Palace, Rome, among other things) The list goes on and on. The thought occurred to me that NTCC isn't much different in that respect than the Casinos. Their "Theme" is Christ, But the "Church" itself is just a Religious "Business". It's ran like a business, isn't it? So, whats the difference? (Besides the fact that one is called a Casino, and the other a Church) | ||
| victorjohanson Senior Member Username: victorjohanson Post Number: 1431 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 216.67.72.231 |
"So, whats the difference?" Well, for one thing, a casino actually pays out now and then. | ||
| mark_g Advanced Member Username: mark_g Post Number: 569 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.201.122.179 |
"So, whats the difference?" "Well, for one thing, a casino actually pays out now and then." True. | ||
| ntcctruth Advanced Member Username: ntcctruth Post Number: 999 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.102.118.90 |
In response to Charger's question: http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=3&post=464665#POST464665 Hi Charger, Thanks for writing me and asking the question. I do not hate them. I can truly say that. I am actually frustrated at how they are (RWD, MCKEKEL, etc) because I love them as human beings and wished their borg ambitions and all that phony piety and religious calling/authority wasn't there so that there'd be nothing between us. I look at their business of soul-pushing and narcissism as something that is in the way of my desire to be a brother and friend to them. As you can see, I hate the effect and the harm that their hyped up business ministry has done to so many people in regards to their families, morale, finances, careers, and their psyche. I also hate the effect their ministry has in making a bunch of proud religious elites that look down on everyone else outside of NTCC as phony Christians, etc. I am still similar to them in matters of politics and how they view our country and there are probably other similarities that remain. Again, thanks for asking. I'm honored that you took the time to read my posts and express your concerns. Yours in Christ, Marc Perez |
