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     called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1721 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
this is for you Shepard’s chapel brothers! am sure you will injoy it as much as i did, God Bless, P J Black Hebrews? The very words cause many people to grin at what appears to be simply a play on words. No one reads about such people in european authored history books and there are only a few references to "Ethiopian Jews" in white Jewish sources. Yet Black Hebrews have existed since biblical times. In fact, they are the original or proto-typical Hebrews. Their story begins with the Patriarch Abraham (2117-1942 B.C.), a native of the Sumerian city of Ur in ancient Mesopotamia. Archaeological discoveries have proven that the earliest inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia were members of the "Brown Race," i.e., the Negroid branch of humanity. It has been confirmed that the ancient Sumerians were akin to the modern Black Dravidians of India. The Sumerians also had an affinity with a people known as the Elamites, the very first Semitic group mentioned in the Bible (Gen. 10:22). The Elamites were a black-skinned and woolly-haired people as the colorful glazed artwork on the royal palace walls of the ancient Persian city of Susa clearly show.Thus Abraham, the native of Sumerian and the founding father of the Israelite nation, was a black man. The black racial origins of the Patriarchs is not based on mere conjecture, it is in complete agreement with the picture one gets from examining the identity of the earliest inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia. This truth is grossly neglected, suppressed, and distorted in most European and American historical texts which are flavored with race prejudice. Fortunately, however, there are enough well authored and highly researched works by Black historians that challenge the Eurocentric revisions of history and correct the various erroneous views regarding the ethnic identity of the Hebrews. http://www.angelfire.com/sd/occultic/hebrew.html | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 987 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
M(r)(s). Called: Any chance you checked your source before quoting them? Or did you quote them knowing they were false, simply hoping to get a fight started? | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1722 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
I just had to throw this in their Brother | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1723 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
I just had to throw this in their Brother | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1724 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 203.177.115.105 |
chec k this out The Ethnicity of the Egyptians is the key to understanding the Blackness of the Hebrews and surrounding nations. The genealogical chart in Genesis 10 lists Ham/Khem as the father of Africans and from Africans came Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Kushites/Nubians. The proper word Khem/Kam means Black. These intermarried with the Hebrews and so produce the Hebrew nation of Israel. That is the Jewish line itself was that of Black/African Canaanite woman named Tamar (Genesis 38:1-5), The Canaanites were descendants of Ham/Khem (Gen. 10:6). Again, the word means Black. Abraham beget the Arab line through an Egyptian woman Hagar. She then picked a Egyptian wife for her son Ishmael who would father the original Black/African Arabs (Genesis 16; 21:21). The original arabs were Black/African. The Egyptians are identified in the Bible as Hamites/Khemites (Psalm 106:21-22; 78:51; 105:27). Scripture states, “Is rael sojourned in Egypt the land of HAM/KHEM’ Psalm 78:51. The establishment of the Hebrew nation is told in the Pentateuch or first five books of the Bible also called the Torah. Throughout the first five books we see Hebrews intermarrying with Black/African Egyptians, Canaanites, Kushites all listed under descendants of HAM/KHEM (Genesis 10:6). The Israelites went down into Black/Egypt a total of 70 and came out a MIXED MULTITUDE OF OVER 600.000 (Ex. 1:5; 12:37-38). That mixed multitude consisted of marrying the Black/Egyptians and other Hamite/Khemite blacks that dwelt amidst them. Leviticus verifies that Black/Egyptians were they who the Hebrews married in that we have a black Hebrew woman married to a Egyptian man (Leviticus 24:10). http://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/black-people-are-the-original-race/ | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1725 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 203.131.126.243 |
i guess no one wants to touch this with a 10 foot pole! i don't blame you | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2744 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
what game would you like to play johnney? maybe my pole is to long. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1726 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 203.131.126.243 |
no games prove this wrong!!! | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2745 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
prove this wrong why would i need to do that? you see, to me it makes little difference. people are people. what would Jesus do Johnney? what is more important? where we came from or where we are going? | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1727 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 203.131.126.243 |
What’s more important is the truth be told for once, if you don't feel that way than your in the wrong faith! The Shepard’s chapel’s doctrine about white people being Gods chosen over people of color is a pure lie that needs to be exposed, the same way professing Christians need to know that Christmas good Friday and Easter Sunday is straight from hell and an abomination in the sight of God! you don't see any of them saying anything saying do you? | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1759 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.245.201.190 |
How are your children doing Johnny? | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1760 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.245.201.190 |
Johnny, I may have my differences with you theologically. You were never rude and arrogant like these Shepherd Chapel people are. I have never met a Mormon or JW as rude and arrogant as they are either. I don't want to know their theology, I just want to stay away from them as far as I can get. I don't even want to debate them. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2746 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
here is some truth for you johnny. this ought to shock you out of your stupor. if you even have the courage to watch it. truth truth | ||
| egk Intermediate Member Username: egk Post Number: 485 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.232.155.192 |
Johnny, How's your health been? I've been concerned about you. EGK | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3731 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
called,
You are truly and idiot! Every now and then, you ought to think before you type. It would help if you got your facts correct too. Shame on you! | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1728 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.126.42.75 |
hey Brother easeltine and egk God bless you both and yes its been a while,I am trying to build a house church or home ministry in a village that has running water and phone lines for my computer on a piece of property that belongs to my wife’s family, so I don’t have to come out to computer cafés anymore and so my family can have a strong roof over our heads and we can have a please to meet brothers and sisters for bible study, prayer meetings and services, my health is really going down fast because of my lupus, it keeps me in and out of the hospital all the time, but God is so good no matter what brothers! Please pray for my health, my family and my ministry may God truly bless both of you In Christ Johnny | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1729 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.126.42.75 |
ok watchman call me what you want but i believe with all my heart that you guys are dead wrong and Racist! Right now I do not have the time or energy to argue with you so just do me a favor and prove me wrong here and strip all the people of color clean out of the scriptures themselves! You guys are very good at twisting the hell out of the scriptures, so let me see you guys twist your way out of this one!!! And shame on you guys for thinking the way you do its pure racism no matter how you try to get around it! Wake up Please Come on all you sheared chapel KKK groupies, start defending your raciest theology for all to see here on fact net; I want to see you strip the living color off God chosen people in the scriptures Themselves! Its time to bow down to the truth for once in your lifes and get it over with!!! And fatherofaking your just to ward for me to even try to understand. Johnny | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2749 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
And fatherofaking your just to ward for me to even try to understand. i am sorry that i am so difficult for you to understand. it is not my intent to be like that. the good thing is that you do not need to understand me. it is ourself that we need to understand. that is why i ask the question: what would jesus do? love one another is all that is required. sure i make mistakes. some of those mistakes can be harmful to others. when i see that i have harmed another i try and make it right. i then move on knowing that i am forgiven. i started this conversation with you because i know that you want to do what is right. i was hoping that you could see all of the damage that is about to be inflicted by what you are about to do. you have called out a group of people to war. is this what you really want to do? i fancied myself to be a warrior once. i had no idea what i was doing. i thought war meant to spill blood. i soon got tired of wading through all of the spilled blood. i learned that a true warrior loves his enemy and desires to spill no blood but rather to heal all wounds. what would jesus do johnny? | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3735 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
called, You can choose to be uneducated as you see fit. That is within your rights. However, you do not have a right to lie about what our beliefs entail. You claim to be Christian, yet you purposely lie! I have already taken the time to prove you wrong with your idiotic 20-point statement of faith post. Yet, for some reason, you have not even taken the time to thank me for edifying you. You are a religious hack! So, why don't you try acting like a Christian for a change -- after all, since you are a preacher, one should expect better from you. Perhaps you can answer the question that no other of our detractors can answer. How is the teaching, that God created all of the races on the 6th day and said that it was "very good", racist?? | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1770 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.245.201.229 |
"You guys are very good at twisting the hell out of the scriptures, so let me see you guys twist your way out of this one!!! And shame on you guys for thinking the way you do its pure racism no matter how you try to get around it!" "You are a religious hack!" Wow! you guys are very upset with each other. One claims that the other twists Scriptures, and is a racist. The other claims the other is a religious hack. Who here twists Scriptures, is a racist, and is the religious hack? Someday, God will be the judge of that. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2750 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
to a child the truth is self-evident; to an adult it is hidden. -anonymous- | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1776 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.164.43.195 |
Johnny, a religious hack? Check the definition for a religious hack. Considering the source - It's so laughable - Johnny...why fight back?  | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1730 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 210.213.114.3 |
Your right easeltine it’s not worth fighting over!!! But for the sake of truth some things are worth fighting over, because these people need to stop under minding the people of color and realize that they play a major role in our scriptures, according to them any race of people with any shade of color to their skin at all are the seed of the serpent. While all other white skin people of the world are from the line of Adam {Gods chosen} My father is Canadian and my mother is Italian {Sicilian} her mother which is my grandmother was very dark skinned with very black tight curly hair, which means she was more than likely mixed with African or Jewish blood lines or both since Sicily is highly mixed with these races among many others, my wife is Asian and our children are of course mixed, so according to these people me my wife and children are of the line of Satan right? This type of racism needs to be addressed and stopped before something seriously dose happen in America like fatherofaking suggested! It can cause an all out war. People of color are tired of being pushed around, looked down upon and considered second class citizens, and now their trying to take their rightful place out of the holy bible itself! Just how much more can they possible take from them before they literally explode and all hell brakes lose. Professing Christians need to seriously think about this because its no joke or laughing matter any longer, that’s one of the biggest reasons I left the USA, because theirs way to much damn discrimination, not only in society but more so in the so called church and school system their, I would love for these people to show me one single scripture that even suggest that Adam, Moses, Abraham, king David, Solomon, Noah, his sons, Christ Almighty or any other bible character was white, shapers chapel people please produce for me just one single scripture that proves your outrages teachings of Adam and his line being white and ill keep my month shot! If not than am going to preach and teach on this subject until the cows come home! easeltine have you found a place to worship yet? God Bless Brother Johnny | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1779 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.245.201.229 |
Pastor Johnny, We are going to www.tcotw.com. We have some problems with the church, but no church is perfect. Thank you for asking! | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1731 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.245.209 |
Yes brother I remember you telling me you were thinking about joining the four square church after your pastor left. I am happy for you and would like to talk to you privately through email sometimes if you like! My personal email is pastorchristen@yahoo.com I am working on a few websites which wont be ready until sometime in February or march ill let you know ok May God truly bless you and your family P Johnny | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1732 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.245.209 |
You see easeltine all these false prophets and man made sects like Shepard’s chapel with their doctrines of demons will come to not, any tree that dose not produce good fruit will be cut down and cast into the fire!!! All Christians on the face of the earth must believe and practice the same exact thing in both word and deed was done in the first century apostolic church, please see 1Cor 1:10 and Rom 16:17 their can be no division whatsoever in the true body of Christ! This is why I am 100% sure that sectarianism and denominationalism can not possible be from God, but from Satan, no one today takes the bible at face value nor do that acknowledge it as their sole authority! Their was no such thing a women preachers in the first century church nor did they collect tithes or baptize anyone in a Trinitarian formula, they didn’t act drank run around the building fall on the floor and call it being slain in the spirit, theirs so many teachings and practices in today’s so called church that has nothing whatsoever to do with true biblical Christianity! People need to start seriously comparing what their church teaches and see if it lines up 100% with what the apostles actually taught and practiced themselves according to the living word of God as it is written without compromising it in any way shape or form. According to the scriptures none of us are going to make it unless we let go of all man made religion period. You see the Shepard’s chapel’s people can not produce one single scripture proving that their biblical characters where white! So their serpent seed doctrine is literally destroyed and they now must bow down to the people of color and go back to the drawing board! | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2766 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
hey johnny, this is what you said. People need to start seriously comparing what their church teaches and see if it lines up 100% with what the apostles actually taught and practiced themselves according to the living word of God as it is written without compromising it in any way shape or form. so which church is doing this? how do you decide who is right and who is wrong? if you start your own church does that make you the sole authority on what the bible says? what if someone disagrees with you? do you think it is possible for everyone to understand the bible the exact same way? even reputable scholars disagree. are we to think that people like ourselves could possibly agree on all things? what is the answer johnny? who is going to decide? Paul says Christ crucified, nothing more. the first century church didn't even agree on that. what hope do 2 billion Christians have of ever coming to agreement? i am not trying to be divisive johnny. i think these are honest questions that we should all have answers to before we can say what you just said. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1733 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.245.209 |
like i said the way i see it none of us is going to make it! thats truly the way i feel!!! ill try to come back in the morning, God Bless Johnny | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2767 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
hang in there johnny. i believe you will make it. god bless. | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3739 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
called, You are very confused! You cast judgment before you have a clue regarding beliefs. And, you failed to answer my question. How is the teaching, that God created all of the races on the 6th Day and it was "very good", racist?? You need to get your facts right and quit posting lies!! | ||
| oneway Advanced Member Username: oneway Post Number: 862 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 69.30.157.124 |
"How is the teaching, that God created all of the races on the 6th Day and it was "very good", racist??" Therein lies your problem, watchman_2. The bible doesn't teach that God created all races on the 6th day. It doesn't mention this anywhere. It does, however, mention that God created one man, then one woman from that man on the 6th day of creation. That's clearly in there, but all these various races...well I can't seem to find that. Gen 2:4 states: 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Following verse 4, we can see this unfold in Adam and Eve, clearly putting ch 2 within the timeline of ch 1. Doing a simple phrase search for 'These are the generations', finds that the subject follows after and not before, and usually denotes history of. And this is exactly what ch 2 is, it's a history of the creation of man plus a brief history of what was before man, possibly from man's perspective. A better english rendering of Gen 2:4 might be something such as this: Gen 2:4 These are the descendents of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the period of time that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1792 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 75.37.3.218 |
"You are truly and idiot!" "prove you wrong with your idiotic 20-point statement of faith..." "You are a religious hack! So, why don't you try acting like a Christian for a change..." "You are very confused!" I always think of the following verses when I see these types of personal attacks towards individual people on FactNet. These types of attacks towards individuals just makes people turn away from the person presenting their point of view. In my opinion, it would serve the poster better if they toned it down a bit. Just a suggestion. 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1734 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
But as a preacher it’s my job to defend and uphold the truth that was once delivered to the saints at all cost! As you can see the sheared chapel followers can not provide for me one single scripture that proves that Adam or Eve, Christ almighty, Mary or anyone else for that matter in the bible was white. Except of course the Romans! If you followers of this cult can not defend your man made doctrines and beliefs then go straight to your head Arnold Murry himself and tell him pastor Johnny J Christen of the Philippines said to personally send me proof of this false teaching, he can send it to pastorchristen@yahoo.com ill be waiting!!! And if your leader can’t prove that these bible people were white and that all white people come from the line of WHITE Adam than your false doctrine falls apart! Fair enough? Johnny | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1735 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
Hey Franklin I know you and I never saw eye to eye but I honor you for coming against these guys! Way to go Brother Johnny | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1736 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
THE IMPLICIT RACISM OF ARNOLD MURRAY Anglo-Israel Origin Mr. Murray teaches Anglo-Israelism which believes that Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel. Murray claims that the northern ten tribes of Israel are "the same tribes that later went north and populated Europe and North America". (The Shepherd's Chapel newsletter #148, 2-91) According to the theology of Anglo-Israelism, other races are inferior to whites, and usually the blacks and Jewish race are particularly stigmatized. Murray, on the other hand, says that he respects blacks and other races. However, he believes these races were the 'Adam' created on the sixth day of creation in Genesis 1, while the Anglo-Saxons were 'another Adam' created on the eighth day of creation based on his interpretation of Genesis 2. Hence, there is a definite distinction between whites and non-whites. Arnold Murray also promotes the literature of other Anglo-Israelism teachers. The Shepherd's Chapel Book List, for instance, offers materials by E. Raymond Capt and J. H. Allen. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1738 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
The Biblical View of the Races The creation of man in Genesis 1 and 2 should not be interpreted as two separate Adams. Just like the Esau of Genesis 36:1-37:1 should not be considered a different Esau from the one mentioned in Genesis 25:1235:29 (cf. 1 Chron. 1:38-42), so the Adam mentioned in Genesis 1:1-2:3 should not be considered a different Adam than the one mentioned in Genesis 2:4-4:26. Genesis 1:1-2:3 simply focuses on the development of heaven and earth, while Genesis 2:4-4:26 focuses on the development of man. If Murray were consistent, he would have to say there must be a *third* Adam mentioned in Genesis 5:1,2 that is different from the previous two Adams! The Anglo-Israelism theory has been refuted, and virtually no reputable scholar or historian today would promote it. The Assyrian and Babylonian captivities in 722 B.C. and 586 B.C. forever ended the schism between Judah and Israel. From about that time on, the terms "Jew" and "Israelite" were used interchangeably. Further, there is no sufficient evidence that the Scythians (the supposed missing link between Israel and Great Britain) were ever connected with the ten tribes of Israel. By comparing the etymologies of English words from the most respected English dictionary (Oxford English Dictionary), there is simply no sufficient evidence to support any connection between the Anglo-Saxon and Hebrew tongues. The Old Testament also uses the children of Judah and the ten tribes of Israel together after the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity in 536 AD. (Ezra 2:70; 6:17; 7:6-15; Neh. 7:73; 12:44-47; Zech. 1:19: 8:13; 10:6; cf. 2 Chron. 11:3-17; 15 9). Many of these texts are the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37:15-25 (cf. Jer. 31:27; 50:40). In the New Testament the Jews and the ten tribes of Israel are mentioned many times without any distinction made between them (e.g., Matt. 10:5,6; 15:24; Luke 2:36; 22:30; Acts 2:14,22,23,36; James 1:1; Rev. 7:4-8). Both Jesus and Paul were Jews (Matt. 27:11 cf. Rom. 9:1-4; Acts 21:39 cL, Rom. 11:1-2). Since all New Testament Christians are God's chosen people, racial distinctions no longer matter (John 1:12-13, Acts 10:34; 17:26 cf. Gen. 3:20 Rom. 8:14; 1 Pet.2:9; Col. 3:11; Gal.3:28; Rev. 5 9,10). All humanity has sinned (Rom. 3:23; 5:12-20), thus, as William H. Baker states, The so-called races must be equal, because sin is what produces undesirable traits, not race. (Moody Monthly, Equal Before God,. p.19, 1-87). | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1739 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
The Myth of the Kenites The Jews of John 8:44 are not Kenites. Jesus was simply denouncing these particular Jews for their unbelief-as he and his apostles would denounce anyone as a child of the devil, Jew or Gentile, who refused to believe (Matt. 16:23; Eph. 2:1-3,11; 3:1; 1 John 3:9,10). Christ was calling them children of the devil because of what they believed, not because of who they were. Additionally, Jesus was not making a blanket judgment on all or even most Jews, but only this small group of Jews because they intended to kill him (John 8:40,44,58,59). Furthermore, it is not Cain who is the murderer in John 8:44, for Jesus says it is literally the devil who is the murderer. The murder mentioned in John 8:44 is not Cain's murder of Abel, but the devil causing death to occur upon all the human race when he instigated Adam and Eve to sin (Gen.2:17; 3:14,19; Rom.6:12). Anyone, whether Jew or Gentile (including Anglo-Saxons), are considered Satan's children if they refuse to believe in Christ (Gen. 3:15; Matt. 13:3643). This Seed of the Serpents is not Cain and his literal offspring, but only a figurative offspring. In other words, only those people (regardless of what race they belong to) who do not believe the gospel are the children of Satan because they follow their own sinful tendencies instead of accepting Christ (Matt. i6:23; John 6:70,71; Acts 5:3; 13:4-10; Rom. 5:12-19; 8:5-6; Eph. 2:1,2; 1 John 3:4-10). If there were any descendants of Cain (which there isn't), they could receive salvation too, because a number of people from all nationalities, tongues, tribes, and races will serve Christ (Rev. 5:9,10) just like a number of people from all races will serve Satan (Rev. 13:5-8). Furthermore, the Kenites mentioned in Jeremiah 35 and 1 Chronicles 2:55 are not the children of the Cain of Genesis 4. First of all, Scripture does not say that the Kenites are the children of the same Cain who slew Abel. Second, simply because both terms come from the same Hebrew word does not mean that all, some, or any Kenites are the descendants of the Cain who slew Abel. Apparently, "Cain" was a common name just like "Zechariah". The Bible records at least 33 men by the name of Zechariah, and not all of them were related (e.g., there is no relationship between these men who were all named Zachariah: 1 Chron. 5:7; 24:25; 2 Chron. 21:2; 2 Kings 14:29). | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1741 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
Therefore, individuals can be called the descendants of Cain, but the Cain they are related to was not the same Cain who slew Abel in Genesis 4 (see for instance, the different Kenites mentioned in Gen. 5:12; Num. 24:21,22; Judges 1:16, and 1 Sam. 15:6). Third, some Kenites do acts of righteousness, and Jonadab the Rechabite could be considered a righteous man of God (1 Sam.15:6; 2 Kings 10:15,16,23,24; Jer. 35:12-16). It would be impossible for them to be commended for their righteousness by both God and the Israelites if they were "children of the devil". Furthermore, the whole doctrine of the serpent seed is flawed because nowhere in Scripture does it ever say word for word that Eve actually had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. In 2 Corinthians 11:3 the word for "beguiled" (exanatao), should be rendered "wholly deceived" Just because Eve was fully deceived does not mean that she literally had sex with the Serpent. In other passages where this same Greek word is used, it is never connected with sex. In fact, if it were connected with sex, we would run into ridiculous conclusions like people literally having sex with their own minds (Rom. 16:18; cf., 1 Cor.3:18)1 Also if Eve had to hide her nakedness because of her sex with the Serpent, we would have to conclude that Adam also had sex with the serpent (Gen. 3:6,7). It was out of a sexual relationship with Adam, not the Serpent, that Eve became impregnated with Cain. The New International Version correctly renders Genesis 4:1,2: Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain." There is also no evidence that Abel was the fraternal twin of Cain. The "again" of Genesis 4:2 does not indicate that Eve gave birth to Abel right after (whether a few minutes, hours, or days) she gave birth to Cain. Several years may have passed before Eve "bore again" by giving birth to Cain's brother Abel. Not to mention, Josephus writes that Cam was begotten by both Adam and Eve (Antiquities 1.2:1). Finally, even if Cain were the literal offspring of Satan, no descendent of Cain survived the flood of Noah. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1742 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
The Kenites and the Flood of Noah In order to support his view that the Kenites survived the flood, Murray misinterprets Genesis 6:7. Instead of adhering to the plain meaning of the text in which God says that he will wipe out all mankind, Murray claims that this phrase is a figure of speech which means that he'll wipe out "more or less" everything. (Tape #146) According to Murray, it cannot mean that God would wipe out absolutely everyone, because Noah and his family survived the flood. In the same context, however, the Bible states that the only exception to this flood would be Noah and his family because Noah was a righteous man (Gen. 6:8-9). All the rest of humanity would be completely wiped out (cL 7:19-23). God told Noah the reason why He would destroy all humans was because mankind had become wicked (6:10-13). If the purpose of the flood was to wipe out sin, then why would God allow some of the "wicked Kenites" to survive? The only logical explanation is to believe that God wiped out all mankind, including all the Kenites. Additionally, in Genesis 9:11 God promises Noah that He would never again destroy all flesh by means of a flood. But if this flood were merely a local community flood which did not even reach the people of the land of Nod, as Murray claims, then God must have lied because we still have had hundreds of local floods over the years. The only way to affirm that God kept His promise is to believe that this flood universally destroyed all human life. Regardless of whether one believes that the flood of Noah covered the entire earth, or only a portion of it, the evidence is clear that this flood destroyed all mankind except for one family. Other cultures testify to this as well. *In order to escape this evidence, Murray makes the assertion that some Kenites actually managed to get on board of Noah's ark. Since Noah took Two of every flesh,. Murray concludes that he also took two Kenites on board! (Kenites, Tape #436). The Bible, however, clearly affirms that Noah, his wife, and his three sons and their wives were the only humans who survived the flood (Gen.6:18; 9:18,19; 2 Pet.2:5). In order to be true to Scripture Murray must either conclude that absolutely no Kenites survived the flood, or admit that he is a racist for believing the Kenites cannot really be considered human. He appears to hold the latter by saying the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid". (Tape #146) Nevertheless, even if the Kenites were less than human, they still committed sin according to Murray. And as mentioned earlier, the purpose of the flood was to wipe out sin and wickedness. If any Kenite survived the flood, then God failed to achieve His purpose. Thus, either God made a mistake, or Arnold Murray made a mistake. Since God is perfect, and Murray isn't, we must conclude that Murray is wrong, God is right, and there are no Kenites alive today. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1743 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
Hey Shepard’s chapel people I found some of your cousins the! {Blacks and the Priesthood in the Mormon Church} A CURSE ON THE "SEED OF CAIN" ? LDS - "You see some classes of the human family that are BLACK, UNCOUTH, UNCOMELY, DISAGREEABLE and LOW in their habits, WILD, and seemingly DEPRIVED OF NEARLY ALL THE BLESSINGS OF THE INTELLIGENCE that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been KILLED, and THAT WOULD HAVE PUT A TERMINATION TO THAT LINE OF HUMAN BEINGS. This was not to be, and the Lord put A MARK upon him, which is THE FLAT NOSE AND BLACK SKIN. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race -- that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290, 1859, emphasis added. LDS - "Though he was a rebel and an ASSOCIATE OF LUCIFER IN PRE-EXISTENCE, ...Cain managed to attain the privilege of mortal birth.... [H]e came out in open rebellion, fought God, worshiped Lucifer, and slew Abel.... AS A RESULT OF HIS REBELLION, CAIN WAS CURSED WITH A DARK SKIN; HE BECAME THE FATHER OF THE NEGROES, and THOSE SPIRITS WHO ARE NOT WORTHY to receive the priesthood are born through his lineage." LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 108-109, 1966 edition, emphasis added. LDS - "...[F]rom Ham sprang the race which preserved the curse in the land." LDS Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 1:24. A must read for all true racist!!! } | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1744 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
LDS - "Noah's son Ham married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain, thus preserving the Negro lineage through the flood." LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added. LDS - "And after the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced upon Cain was continued through Ham's wife, as he had married a wife of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was necessary that THE DEVIL SHOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATION UPON THE EARTH as well as God...." LDS "Prophet" John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 22, p. 304, 1881, emphasis added. Note: Taylor claimed that blacks were Satan's representatives on Earth. LDS - "Ham will continue to be servant of servants, as the Lord decreed, until the curse is removed. Will the present struggle [the U.S. civil war] free the slave? No.... Can you destroy the decrees of the Almighty? You cannot." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 10, p. 250, 1863. LDS - "For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a BLACKNESS came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were DESPISED AMONG ALL PEOPLE." LDS Pearl of Great Price, Moses 7:8, emphasis added. LDS - "And it came to pass that Enoch continued to call upon all people, SAVE IT WERE THE PEOPLE OF CANAAN, to repent." LDS Pearl of Great Price, Moses 7:12, emphasis added. Note: Mormonism long considered blacks unworthy of its missionary efforts, essentially unworthy of the Gospel message. LDS - "The gospel message of salvation is NOT CARRIED AFFIRMATIVELY TO THEM [blacks]...." LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added. THE TRUTH: "He [Jesus] said to them, 'Go into all the world and PREACH THE GOOD NEWS TO ALL CREATION.'" Mark 16:15, emphasis added. THE TRUTH: [Jesus said]: "Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19, emphasis added. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1745 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
BLACKS: NO PRIESTHOOD "IN THIS LIFE" ! LDS - "Negroes IN THIS LIFE are denied the priesthood; UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty." LDS "Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added. (See also LDS Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 1:20-27) LDS - "Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became THE FATHER OF AN INFERIOR RACE. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so WHILE TIME ENDURES. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a BLACK SKIN and have been DENIED THE PRIVILEGE OF PRIESTHOOD and the fulness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to FEEL THEIR INFERIORITY and have been SEPARATED from the rest of mankind from the beginning. Enoch saw the people of Canaan, descendants of Cain, and he says, 'and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were DESPISED AMONG ALL PEOPLE.'" LDS "Prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, pp. 101-102, 1931, emphasis added. LDS - "I tell you, this people that are commonly called negroes are the children of old Cain. I know they are, I know that THEY CANNOT BEAR RULE IN THE PRIESTHOOD, for the curse on them was to REMAIN upon them, until the resedue (sic) of the posterity of Michal (sic) and his wife receive the blessings...and hold the keys of the priesthood.... In the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH THE AFFRICANS (sic) CANNOT HOLD ONE PARTICAL (sic) OF POWER IN GOVERNMENT [within the LDS church]." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Brigham Young Addresses, Ms d 1234, Box 48, folder 3, Feb. 5, 1852, as quoted in Bob Witte's book entitled "Where Does It Say That?," p. 2-9, emphasis added. LDS - "How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will REMAIN UPON THEM, and THEY NEVER CAN HOLD THE PRIESTHOOD or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam's children are brought up to that favourable position, THE CHILDREN OF CAIN CANNOT RECEIVE THE FIRST ORDINANCES OF THE PRIESTHOOD. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed. When the residue of the family of Adam come up and receive their blessings, then the curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will receive blessings in like proportion." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, pp. 290-291, 1859, emphasis added. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1746 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
LDS - "When all the other children of Adam have had the privilege of receiving the Priesthood, and of coming into the kingdom of God, and of being redeemed from the four quarters of the earth, and HAVE RECEIVED THEIR RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD, then it will be time enough to remove the curse from Cain and his posterity." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 143, 1854, emphasis added. Note: Young taught that blacks would not receive the Mormon priesthood until AFTER the resurrection. LDS - "They [blacks] will GO DOWN TO DEATH. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the Holy Priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which WE now are entitled to." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p.272, 1866, emphasis added. LDS - "In the spirit of SYMPATHY, MERCY and faith, we will also hope that blessings may eventually be given to our negro brethren, for they are our brethren - children of God - NOTWITHSTANDING THEIR BLACK COVERING EMBLEMATICAL OF ETERNAL DARKNESS." LDS "Prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 102, 1931, emphasis added. Note: Even as LDS "Prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith professed "sympathy" and "mercy" toward blacks, he continued to preach condemnation and contempt for them. THE TRUTH: "Do not let anyone who delights in FALSE HUMILITY and the worship of angels DISQUALIFY YOU FOR THE PRIZE. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind PUFFS HIM UP WITH IDLE NOTIONS. He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the WHOLE BODY, ...grows as God causes it to grow." Colossians 2:18-19, emphasis added. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1747 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
THE "EVIL," THE "VILE," THE "IGNORANT," & THE "WICKED" ? LDS - "...[T]he land was left to the possession of the RED MEN [native Americans], WHO WERE WITHOUT INTELLIGENCE.... [T]he land was again peopled, in a measure, by a RUDE, WILD, REVENGEFUL, WARLIKE AND BARBAROUS RACE. - SUCH ARE OUR INDIANS." LDS "Historian" Oliver Cowdery, LDS Messenger and Advocate, Vol. 1, July, 1835, p, 158, emphasis added. LDS - "And the skins of the Lamanites [native Americans] were DARK, ...which was A CURSE UPON THEM.... And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that thereby the Lord God might PRESERVE HIS PEOPLE, that they might NOT MIX and believe in incorrect traditions WHICH WOULD PROVE THEIR DESTRUCTION." Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6-8, emphasis added. LDS - "Thus the WORD OF GOD is fulfilled...: Behold, the Lamanites [native Americans] have I CURSED, and I will set a mark on them that they and their seed may be SEPARATED FROM THEE AND THY SEED, FROM THIS TIME HENCEFORTH and FOREVER, except they repent of their wickedness and turn to me that I may have mercy upon them." Book of Mormon, Alma 3:14, emphasis added. LDS - "Here are the Lamanites [native Americans].... Their wickedness was not so great as those [Jews] who slew the Son of God. ...Is their curse as great as that of those in Palestine? No, it is light, in comparison. They began to thirst for each other's blood, and massacred each other, from generation to generation, until they SUNK INTO WICKEDNESS, and EVIL principles the most DEGRADING, and have become LOATHSOME and VILE. Still THE CURSE WILL BE REMOVED from them before it will be removed from the children of Judah; and THEY WILL BECOME A "WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME PEOPLE." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 143, 1854, emphasis added. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1748 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
LDS - "And the Gospel of Jesus Christ shall be declared among them; wherefore, ...their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save THEY SHALL BE A WHITE AND A DELIGHTSOME PEOPLE. " Book of Mormon (1830 edition), 2 Nephi, Chapter XII, p. 117, emphasis added. Note: This passage from the original Book of Mormon has subsequently been altered by Mormonism's leaders. The Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 30:6, now reads: "they shall be a PURE and a delightsome people." Substituting "pure" for "white" seems to indicate that Mormonism considers those two words to be interchangeable. The logical assumption, then, is that Mormonism also considers "NON-white" to be the equivalent of "impure." Even in this attempt to obscure its racist "scripture," Mormonism continues to divulge its underlying doctrine of white supremacy. LDS - "I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites [native Americans], than to convert one of those poor MISERABLE CREATURES [Jews] WHOSE FATHERS KILLED THE SAVIOR.... Yes, I would rather undertake to CONVERT THE DEVIL HIMSELF, if it were possible. ...I would say, LEAVE THEM, AND COME HOME, THE LORD DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO STAY THERE, FOR THEY MUST SUFFER AND BE DAMNED. ...[L]EAVE THEM TO LIVE AND DIE IN THEIR SINS and IGNORANCE. ...[T]HEY TAKE PLEASURE IN THEIR WICKEDNESS...." LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 143, 1854, emphasis added. Note: Brigham Young held Jews responsible for the death of Christ. He taught that Jews were likewise cursed with a dark skin and were essentially beyond the reach of the Gospel message. Perhaps it didn't occur to Young that Christ Himself had pleaded for the forgiveness of the Jews who were responsible for His death. THE TRUTH: "When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals - one on his right, the other on his left. Jesus said, 'Father, FORGIVE THEM, for they do not know what they are doing....'" Luke 23:34, emphasis added. | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1749 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
i pray to God that some people of color are reading my post so they can see for Themselves just what these so called christian groups truly think of then!!! | ||
| bluewater2 Senior Member Username: bluewater2 Post Number: 3456 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.74.207.89 |
I hope that "people of color", as you call them, are smart enough to know that what these people say means nothing, and that the fact that you are bringing it up is stupid. The opinions of a bunch of religious fanatics should carry no weight in the minds of healthy people. Why are the opinions of these people any more rediculous than the opinion that christianity is the one true way and that "the kingdom of heaven is but through me." What a joke. You talk about discounting a segment of society. Christianity is but 1/3 of the worlds population and they are in essence saying that 2/3rds of the world is going to hell. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2773 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
when the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the the color of his eyes, then man will know true peace. -Bob Marley- | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3752 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
oneway,
Irrespective of your bible illiteracy regarding Genesis 1 thru 4, you did not address the question at hand. How is the teaching, itself, racist? You, and no other detractor to the Truth, can answer the question. You all lack foundation for your claim of racism. Now, I have already proven you wrong regarding your analysis of Gen. 1 thru 4 so many times already. See Gen. 1:26 -- 'man' is plural, which means 'mankind'. Strong's confirms this. Gen. 4 confirms it. It is only an unproven presumption to believe the Bible is stating Adam was created on the 6th Day. As I have proven many times, such belief is wholly unbiblical. Moreover, such issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the charge of racism raised by Called. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2775 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
In order to be true to Scripture Murray must either conclude that absolutely no Kenites survived the flood, or admit that he is a racist for believing the Kenites cannot really be considered human. He appears to hold the latter by saying the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid". (Tape #146) is this true watchman? if it is true, then no matter how much you deny that you are racist, you are clearly lying. | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3753 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
called,
A CURSE ON THE "SEED OF CAIN" ? } You truly are wicked! There is no connection between the teachings of SC and our black-skinned brethren being the 'Seed of Cain'. That is why I told you to get your facts straight! You are a liar! | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3754 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
called, Nice copy and paste job from your favorite Apologetic website. These sites have been thoroughly discredited many times. Your biblical illiteracy is clear in your 20-point Statement of Faith. Your lack of ethics/morals is demonstrated by your copy/paste job above. | ||
| oneway Advanced Member Username: oneway Post Number: 869 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 69.30.157.124 |
"There is no connection between the teachings of SC and our black-skinned brethren being the 'Seed of Cain'." I have to agree with watchman_2 here. I have never heard any SCer claiming black-skinned brethren being the seed of Cain. I fail to see the connection of the Mormons to the SC in this regard. As far as I can tell, the SC claims that Cain is the literal son of satan. This would make Cain and his descendents hybrids, that's the only logical conclusion. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1805 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 75.36.166.186 |
Pastor Johnny, Can you show the SC/Murray are related to Mormonism? Also, for the record, Mormonism has really changed it's theology in the past 20 years regarding their church's teachings on black people. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2776 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
if you do not respond to my post watchman i will assume it is true, and that you are avoiding this truth. if you cannot, or will not give an explanation for what is said on this tape, or deny that you accept what is said on this tape, then there is no reason for us to think that you do not accept what is being taught on this tape. regardless of what "group" of people you choose to call kenites, for anyone else they are human beings not hybrids (spawns of satan). to say that a "group" of human beings are hybrids (spawns of satan) is to denigrate that "group" of human beings. if i called everyone who worked in the twin towers hybrids (spawns of satan) how would that make the families of these people feel? they certainly would not consider their family members being called hybrids (spawns of satan) to be a term of endearment. call it what you will, it is still denigrating and hateful toward a group of human beings. now if this is directed toward a particular race of human beings then it is also racist. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2777 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
i am really hurting inside right now. i do not like to engage in discussions like this. sometimes i think i should just leave it all alone. sometimes i do just that. i am not always certain what to do. i like to think the best of people. in this case, i would like to think the best of you watchman. i would like to think that this stuff is not true. it is hard for me to accept that someone would choose to say denigrating things about their fellow human beings. my hope is that you would show me that you are not doing this. i am puzzled by how someone could think that those who wrote the bible would even consider denigrating another human being. i am convinced that it is all just mistaken interpretation. the bible is a book of allegory. that is the only way it can be understood. if the bible is interpreted literally you run into all manner of problems. the Shepards Chapel interpretation is just one in thousands of interpretations of the bible. i am convinced that first, there can only be one truth, second, the reason that there is so much confusion is because the bible is approached from an historical interpretation not an allegorical one. i do not desire to push any belief on any person. i think we all believe what we are able to accept based on where we are at in our growth as a human being. that being said, i would also like to think that sharing our beliefs with one another helps us to grow. this is the reason that i am sharing these things with all of you. i know that i sometimes come across as a know it all. for that i apologize. it is a defect that i am continually working on. i have my problems just like everyone else. of this i am painfully aware. i try and remember that when i speak to others, because i want to treat everyone with the respect that i ask of them. please watchman, i am begging you to take a look at who you are. it is the only way that any of us will ever come to know the truth. that is what the bible is trying to teach us. the "truth" is in the working on ourselves. salvation is not just by faith alone. once we have faith that we are forgiven, we must then continue to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. nobody can do that for us, we must do it for ourselves. our faith has a purpose, that purpose is to give us the strength to work out the defects in our character. we must rise up and claim what is our birthright. we must be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect. i know that we can be, and that one day we will be by the grace of god, but it is not going to happen if we do not use what we have been given, namely, our free will, and take some action. fight the good fight as paul said. he also said: i can do all things through christ who strengthens me. we have been given the strength to overcome, but we must use what strength we have been given for that to happen. we will never be asked to bear more than we can handle. that alone should give us the courage to fight the good fight. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2778 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
" Act first, this Earth, a stage so gloom'd with woe, You all but sicken at the shifting scenes. And yet be patient. Our Playwright may show In some fifth Act what this wild Drama means." The Play Alfred Tennyson Published 1896 | ||
| called Senior Member Username: called Post Number: 1750 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 222.127.228.8 |
Pastor Johnny, Can you show the SC/Murray are related to Mormonism? NO but their doctrine on people of color is the same!!! Also, for the record, Mormonism has really changed it's theology in the past 20 years regarding their church's teachings on black people. Yes they have changed their teaching because they say it’s due to the fact they have a new priesthood now,they also teach that their is no salvation outside of the book of mormon, and this new priesthood now welcomes people of color to join their Satanic cult! You and I know perfectly well there is but one high priest and that’s Christ almighty, there is no such thing as a Mormon priesthood or Roman Catholic priesthood, their just kissing butt now to make their apostate church of Satan the fastest growing church in the world today and with their mandatory tithing it’s becoming one of the richest! SC/Murray is related to Mormonism in their way of thinking when it comes to people of color! BEING THE SEED OF THE SERPENT! Only SC/Murray has no problem admitting it! The Mormons on the other hand hide their true feelings to make their churches bigger and take in more money, what a scam! | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3756 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
fatherofaking, I admit that I am avoiding your posts. After proving you wrong so many times in the past and having you threaten to have me killed therefor, it is best to not respond unless someone thinks there is any validity whatsoever in that which you post. However, now that you have challenged me again, I will take a look.
Your post is nonsensical in that you, obviously, are not quoting me or SC. I have no idea of the source of your quote. Having commented on the lack of proper citation of the author of your quote, I can see that it was from a biblically illiterate detractor. One does not have to know a darn thing about the Bible in order to know that the Kenites survived Noah's flood. All one has to do is look around and see all of our fellow mankind. We consist of many races of people. By inspection, since all of the races survived Noah's flood, so did the Kenite race. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2781 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
you say that the kenites are a race of people. do you also say that they are the spawn of satan? if it is true that there is a race of people that you call the spawn of satan, then how is it that you claim not to be a racist? BTW, in challenging the validity of the quote, are you saying that the tape does not exist? or are you saying that these things were not said on this tape? (Message edited by fatherofaking on December 24, 2007) | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1706 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.229.201 |
Do you ever think maybe today we could have peace for just one day even on this board.  | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2782 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
peace? do you think your complaining will bring peace? | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1708 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.229.201 |
No Only the Prince of Peace can bring Peace my friend. But I can hope my request might be heard. Merry Christmas | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2783 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
your "request" was better left to you and your god. what you did here was complain. if you cannot see that, then it is not likely that your god will honor your "request". take responsibility for your actions. that would be a good thing for you, and the rest of us as well. then maybe your "request" would be honored. do you not know, that you reap what you sow? | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3757 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
called,
Well, if the Mormons teach that on the 6th Day God created all of the races and it was "very good", they are correct as well. As for your pathetic repeat effort to claim SC teaches that people of color are the seed of Satan, well, it, like most of your posts here, demonstrates that you are full of crap. No truth therein your claim. You are still bitter that I proved your 20-point Statement of Faith to be garbage theology. Still, that gives you no right to lie! | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2784 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
i see you are once again ignoring me watchman. are you not able to answer my questions, or are you unwilling for fear of exposing what you really believe? i think we already know what you believe. you believe that jesus is racist don't you? you believe jesus was calling a legitimate race of people the seed of satan. you keep bringing up the passage in genesis but you will not bring up what jesus has said about those that you call kenites (a race of people that you just admitted still exist). you say that the pharisees that jesus called a brood of vipers are kenites. you say that kenites are a race of people. since you make it clear that these people are from the seed of satan, that makes jesus racist as well. that totally negates any effort to disprove your racist remarks using any verse in genesis since most here believe that jesus is god in the flesh. maybe you do not believe that jesus is god? it matters not. it still makes you and jesus racist according to your own words. let us watch you try and worm your way out of that one watchman. or are you just going to run? (Message edited by fatherofaking on December 25, 2007) | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2785 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
i expect you to answer all of my questions watchman not just a select few. let us see who the coward and liar really is. you keep coming around here trying to defend your racist beliefs, so let us see you do it with me watchman. anyone reading this thread already knows you are unable or unwilling to answer my questions. you are avoiding most of them because you have no answers. you have run from me in the past and you are doing it again. you have no answers because what i say is true. you know it and so does everyone else. i think it is time that you just run off somewhere else watchman. you have been exposed once again. go back to the SC threads. why is it that you are not there watchman? would you care to answer that for us? are you unwanted even with your own kind? you started posting over here not because you needed to defend your racist beliefs. which is the reason that you said you were posting in the first place. you now show yourself to be a liar with that as well. there was nobody talking about SC beliefs when you first started posting somewhere other than the SC threads. you decided that people needed edification. you found out how much edification they needed pretty quickly didn't you? you need to just run off and play with your racist friends watchman. nobody wants you here and you know it. you have been exposed for what you are and your beliefs are unwanted here on factnet. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1811 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 75.36.166.186 |
Following is what Momonism has historically taught concerning blacks. It doesn't sound like S/C/Murray/Watchman would agree with this: Cursed in Pre-existence But, before we read what LDS leaders have taught concerning the "cursed line," we will need to go back and discover as to why dark skinned people are cursed. Then we will have a better understanding of Mormon thought on this issue. Mormons teach that when the "council of the Gods" were planning how to redeemed mankind Jesus desired to save man by giving them their free choice, however Lucifer objected and wanted to force men to serve God. LDS scholar Bruce R. McConkie tells us: When the plan of salvation presented . . . and when the need for a Redeemer was explained, Satan offered to come into the world as the Son of God and be the Redeemer. "Behold here am I, send me," he said. . . . But then, as always, he was in opposition to the full plan of the Father, and so he sought to amend and change the terms of salvation; he sought to deny men their agency and to dethrone God (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 193). Therefore, the Gods rejected Lucifer's plan, which resulted in a war between the good spirit children, and the spirit children that sided with Lucifer (a third of them). But there was a group of spirits that were less valiant in this war. Hence, God (the head God) was very displeased with them so He turned their skin black. Tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith explains: There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient; more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there [pre-existence] received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less. . . . There were no neutrals in the war in Heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:61, 65-66; emphasis added). LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie furthers this teaching: Those who were less valiant in pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions impose on them during mortality are known to us as the negroes. Such spirits are sent to earth through the lineage of Cain, the mark put upon him for his rebellion against God, and his murder of Able being a black skin. . . . Noah's son married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain, thus preserving the negro lineage through the flood. . . . the negro are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concern. . . . " (Mormon Doctrine, 527-28; 1966 orig. ed., changed in the current ed.; emphasis added). Now, we can have more of a clearer perspective as to why the LDS would teach such blatant racism that Scripture never condones. } | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3760 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
foak, I have already answered all of those questions over at the SC threads. It demonstrates disingenuousness for you to ask them all again and then pretend that I am a coward for not answering you.
Already answered -- see SC threads.
Already answered -- see SC threads.
Already answered -- see my post No. 3756 above. So, what questions have I not answered? | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2791 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
So, what questions have I not answered? never mind watchman. you have not answered any of my questions at all. this is just your way of running. you cannot show that you answered one single one of the questions i have asked and you know it. it makes no difference, i am done giving you a chance to prove yourself. we all know quite well that your beliefs are racist and that you are a coward. we also know that you have learned well to conceal it. you know full well what the bible says about cowards. you are the one who has to live with yourself. it really makes me sad to know that you are not a happy person and are quite blind to your faults. yes it is true watchman, i can tell that you are not a happy person. anyone with a little knowledge of human behavior would see it. i wish you the best in life, but i fear the worst. the troubled times that are on the horizon will be the most difficult for people like yourself. when those times come i hope that you will seek some help. if not for yourself then for the sake of those closest to you at least. i should at least let you know that you expose your beliefs and weaknesses every time you post. i know you do not see it so i thought someone should tell you. i am truly sorry that i am not able to help. | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 3761 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
foak, You know full well that I have provided you with all of the answers to your questions at the SC threads and I am not about to participate in your inane game here. Your personal commentary, along with your leftist-secular drivel, is without merit and is meaningless. Like all of the other detractors to the Truth, you cannot answer the basic question regarding my beliefs - How is the teaching, that God created all of the races of people on the 6th Day and it was "very good", racist?? Now, I ask again -- what questions of yours have I not answered?? |
