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     watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
I find it interesting that Pastor Scott, the television Greek/Hebrew teacher was preaching at Randy White's Without Walls International Church in FL, on thursday night 12/13/07 and her guest was Paul Crouch Jr. Paul divorced his wife this year and Pastor Scott lost her husband, Dr. Gene Scott Feb 2005. She claimed she would never marry again as she is married to the ministry. Additionally, last month she was also seen with Paul Crouch Jr. on TBN as they both were in Costa Rica at a TBN facility and video was taken and later played on TBN's "Behind the scenes" program. Could this be a match made in heaven? Interesting tho... | ||
| jbkrems Member Username: jbkrems Post Number: 74 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.12.109.61 |
Watchman, How do you know that Paul Crouch Jr. divorced his wife Tawney (sp?) this past year? How do you know Pastor Melissa Scott was at Without Walls Church with Paul Jr.? Were you there in person? | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
I am not sure what the point of your questions are? This is documented several places on the internet and I personally watched the live stream Thursday night of the service. Additionally, I know people who attend there and could confirm it if I thought Without Walls was broadcasting a fake service with impersonators. But I believe Randy White would not waste such time since it is a known fact him and Pastor Scott are friends. Paul Crouch Jr.'s divorce from his wife Tawny was granted this year. There is talk he has another significant other who will remain nameless: The Superior Court of California case number is 06D004503, Paul Crouch, Jr. Petitioner and Tawny Crouch, Respondent. The original filing date was May 18, 2006 and the category was dissolution (divorce) with children. It appears to have been resolved by uncontested dissolution (divorce) or default on May 13, 2007 (this year). The motions below are in reverse order. Case Summary Case Number Title Filing Date Category Type 06D004503 CROUCH JR V CROUCH 05/18/2006 DISSO WITH CHILDREN DISSO WITH CHILD Participants Results 1 - 4 of 4000000000000 No Name Type Assoc Start Date 1 PAUL F. CROUCH JR PETITIONER 05/18/2006 2 TAWNY C. CROUCH RESPONDENT 05/18/2006 3 DAVERT & LOE ATTORNEY FOR PLTF/PET 1 05/18/2006 5 PARSONS & PIETRO ATTORNEY FOR RESP/DEFT 2 07/07/2006 Hearings Date Time Description Judge Dept Register of Actions Results 1 - 14 of 140000000000 Docket Code Filing Date Filing Party DECL-DEF OR UNCONTESTED DISSO 05/31/2007 PAUL F. CROUCH JR WAIVER OF FINAL DECLARATION OF DISCLOSURE 05/31/2007 PAUL F. CROUCH JR DECL-SERVICE OF FINAL DISCL 05/31/2007 PAUL F. CROUCH JR APPEARANCE/STIP & WAIVERS 05/31/2007 PAUL F. CROUCH JR NOTICE OF ENTRY OF JUDGMENT 05/31/2007 PAUL F. CROUCH JR JUDGMENT 05/31/2007 PAUL F. CROUCH JR DECL-SERVICE OF FINAL DISCL 07/07/2006 TAWNY C. CROUCH DECLARATION-UNIFORM CUSTODY 07/07/2006 TAWNY C. CROUCH RESPONSE-FAMILY LAW 07/07/2006 TAWNY C. CROUCH PROOF OF SERVICE/SUMMONS 06/09/2006 PAUL F. CROUCH JR NTC & ACKNOWLEDGMNT OF RECEIPT 06/09/2006 PAUL F. CROUCH JR DECLARATION-UNIFORM CUSTODY 05/18/2006 PAUL F. CROUCH JR SUMMONS- 30 DAY 05/18/2006 PAUL F. CROUCH JR PETITION-DISSOLUTION 05/18/2006 PAUL F. CROUCH JR http://phoenixpreacher.com/?p=2311 | ||
| jbkrems Member Username: jbkrems Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.12.109.61 |
Watchman: I'm just asking you to provide the sources for what you stated. I'm not questioning your integrity, but rather I want to make sure what you said is correct, because it is rather surprising information. Also, this information may be available on the Internet, but I would not know where to find it. Since you personally watched the live stream, that's fine. That tells me you actually saw these folks. I am kind of surprised that Randy would bring in Pastor Melissa Scott. I am NOT surprised that Paul Jr. would be there, albeit with her. I am also surprised that Paul Jr. is now divorced, according to the information you've provided. Thanks. | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
Also, Here is the link to the Google Video for the service. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5350501403491896010&hl=en | ||
| jbkrems Member Username: jbkrems Post Number: 76 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 208.54.95.35 |
Watchman: I just watched the video clip that you have provided. Thanks for it. I did NOT see Paul Crouch Jr., though. What was he doing there? | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
He was just accompianing her as far as I know. But he was certainly there on the left. It was mentioned earlier in the service. | ||
| jbkrems Member Username: jbkrems Post Number: 77 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 208.54.95.134 |
Watchman: OK, I'll take your word for it. Do you know any reason why he would be accompanying her. Do you know if Paul Jr. attends Melissa's church in Malibu??? | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
I am a former member of Pastor Scott's church. And it is in downtown Los Angeles at 933 South Broadway. As far as I know and since my last visit to LAUC, and friends I know there still, he does not attend yet. | ||
| jbkrems Member Username: jbkrems Post Number: 78 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.12.109.61 |
Watchman: So how does Paul Jr. know Pastor Melissa Scott? Her program is NOT on TBN yet. | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
It is a long story but Paul Sr used to work for Dr. Gene Scott and the families know each other well. | ||
| dobman53 Intermediate Member Username: dobman53 Post Number: 236 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.142.211.149 |
I have watched Melissa Scott many times on television. She is a pretty young girl, and she can sing to boot. I always enjoyed how her and her father would take every word back to Hebrew, in an attempt to give fuller meaning to the written verse. Sadly I lost some respect for her when she took on the verse of where Ham seen his fathers nakedness. She spoke of where no one actually fully understood this verse, then went on for a full hour speaking of all sorts of things this verse contained. It's to bad she didn't read the chapter she so boldly took on. For if she had she would have read where it say's to see your fathers nakedness, means to sleep with your father's wife. OH WELL!! | ||
| 21st_century New member Username: 21st_century Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 66.129.2.10 |
See Paul Crouch Jr. get rebuked by a prophet face to face: www.youtube.com/glynisbethel | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
I think some of what she said was true. But, her approach was terrible. She is un-creditable sitting with a protest sign on the street thinking she is going to have any impact on TBN. I do not approve myself of the TBN materialism and prosperity doctrine but that video was sad. At least Paul listened to her rant as long as he did. I would of been cussin her out and putting her in her place. She seems quite Jezebelic and out of balance. She also did not show the love of the Lord. Not that I would be any better... I know she is frustrated as many are that watch the Tower of Babel network. | ||
| dobman53 Intermediate Member Username: dobman53 Post Number: 254 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.142.224.26 |
21st: The Crouch family saddly went out of their minds, with the love for money. I can only Imagine how Paul senior's must be so proud with himself now. In his new age chistianism. Or what ever he might call it. Now that they are in praise of Allah, where do they go next. I often watched Hall Lindsey on their network. Then they kicked him off because he didn't bow to Allah. They were through at that point in my eye's Now with Mellisa jumping in their feather bed. what next!! | ||
| dobman53 Intermediate Member Username: dobman53 Post Number: 255 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.142.224.26 |
Watchman: with Momma crouch, I mean Jan. With her hair stacked 6 feet in the air and 2 wigs on at the same time. Compounded with enough make-up to embarress, Tammy Fay. She is a real live Jezebell. Hay! with her money, I wouldn't be surpised to see her come out with a new make-up line, with wigs to soon follow!! Who know's they may even come out with burkas for christ. | ||
| robert_unknown Senior Member Username: robert_unknown Post Number: 1464 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 212.186.14.119 |
dobman, wat is this about allah? i have never heared about this, can you provide more information, please? | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
dobman, i gotta tell you, your so right. I can not stand the phoney ness! I remember Jan crying over teddy bears for kids in Africa and the makup and mascara falling from her face was competition to mud slides in California. | ||
| dobman53 Intermediate Member Username: dobman53 Post Number: 256 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.142.224.26 |
Robert: I't was here oh maybe a year and a half ago. Paul had some weirdo prophet on TBN. I don't remember his name. He had long hair that went down to the middle of his back. Paul made a big time production out of this guy like he was Daniel or something. The drums were rolling as he let loose with a spew of holy double talk. Then at the end of his tyraid, the cymbuls crashed, and he anounced :PAUL I GIVE YOU THE MIDDLE EAST: He did it with such bravado, one could easily be lead to think God was actually speaking through this crazy fool. Of course Paul reacted like he was totally shocked!! Then Paul anounced they had just purchased a new broadcasting outfit in one of the Moslem countries. Sorta funny how Paul went from shock, to all business. The next day there or so, Hall Lindsey anounced he would no longer be on TBN because his ministery didn't present Allah in a favorable light. Hall being the gentleman he is, went on to say he wished Paul and Jan the best of luck. To my knowledge he has never mentioned them again. Since then if you pay attention they'll slip in now and again something favorable about Allah, and how it's all the same God. Though they'll never mention Allah has no forgiveness for sin. Nor does Allah have a son. As a matter of fact Allah never mentions that he himself has love for anybody. It's only do as Allah say's or, off with your head. He is not nor shall he ever be the same God we know!!! TBN is HELL BOUND!!! | ||
| dobman53 Intermediate Member Username: dobman53 Post Number: 257 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.142.224.26 |
And as far as I'm concerned so is Melisa. DOBMAN | ||
| jbkrems Member Username: jbkrems Post Number: 80 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.12.109.61 |
Hey folks, Hal Lindsey is back on TBN. Now he pays for his own air time, though, and is not an inside programmer as he once was. Also, dobman, I don't think Paul & Jan teach that Allah is the same as the Christian God that you and I believe in. I think they want to be softie because they want to evangelize Muslims. Do I think THAT approach is right? Of course not, but it is NOT a reason to say that TBN is hellbound. Paul & Jan & TBN needs God's love just like you and I do, as do all the Muslims, amen? | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
...and they need LOTS of grace...just like me! | ||
| dobman53 Intermediate Member Username: dobman53 Post Number: 261 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.142.224.26 |
jbkrems: I have Dish TV at my home. I often search the programing guide where they have several christian networks along with TBN listed all together. Perhaps he might be back on TBN and I just didn't realise it as so. Maybe they can now cutt and paste another program over Hall's program for the Moselum network. Though what I spoke about him having a fall out with TBN are true. and he did wish them all the best. It was stated about his harshness towards Moselums, as being the reason. This softness towards Allah is very suddle, but it is there. these days I only watch TBN for the old christian movies in the evening anyways. I have no love for Benny Hinn, or the majority found on that network anyways. Speaking of brother Benny. Did you ever see that one guy that showed up at several of his healings. The blessed Benny only had to point his finger at this fool, and he would jump straight up in the air. kick his feet, and legs straight out. Parallel to the ground 4 or 5 feet in the air and fall flat on his back. Now thats what I call a healing if I ever did see one. He must have recieved such a wonderfull healing he followed brother Ben around the world for another, and another, and another. That poor soul must have been really, really, really, sick. I can only Imagine the dollars flowing in from that sight!!! | ||
| jbkrems Member Username: jbkrems Post Number: 82 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.12.109.61 |
Dobman: TBN does not have a Muslim network. They DO have a Farsi network, to reach Muslim people, but the programming is all Christian. Yes, Hal and TBN did have a temporary fallout. But they brought him back on and he pays for his own air time. The Islam issue was NOT the only issue, though. They had pre-empted his program because of Christmas specials, and he was offended at that. They CANNOT pre-empt a paid programmer, but they CAN pre-empt their internal programmers. So he changed categories, and all is well. I think that is good. Yeah, I agree that TBN can be too soft towards Allah. This is why I prefer Daystar. As regards to Benny Hinn... ehhhh... I am halfway fond of him. I like the fact that he gets people saved and healed at his meetings. I do not always agree with his teachings. | ||
| robert_unknown Senior Member Username: robert_unknown Post Number: 1468 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 212.186.14.119 |
dobman, thanks for the information. i never did like TBN. the crouches are spooky, ... here in Europe TBN is not big anyhow, which is good. my personal opinion, and i have done a lot of research into it, is that the "christianity" the crouches and their televengalists are representing is nothing more than new age in "christian" cloths. | ||
| robert_burke New member Username: robert_burke Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.229.194.235 |
Intellectual Hottie “Mesmerangelist” – Televangelism is getting more bizarre. Witness the young widow of Gene Scott, who was a famous Los Angeles TV preacher. Her name is Melissa Scott and if the internet buzz about her is true, her past has been most indelicate. However, as an example of second iteration extremism – since she has appropriated Gene Scott’s style, or spirits – her new television ministry is a worthy study. Stated negatively, how does her ministry (and how did Gene’s) escape teaching God’s indwelling? Answer: By intellectualism, normally sufficient for the task of religious obfuscation, combined with a sexy flair, normally sufficient for all other obfuscation tasks. Suppose one wants to say, “Jesus saves.” An intellectual might say the same thing by 1) quoting John 3:16 and 2) talking 250 minutes, 3) making 1,000 exegetical points while 4) employing some brazen control mechanisms to hide the fact that to talk so long about so little is disingenuous if not inhumane. Add sex appeal, which Gene had and Melissa has, and what an exit-from-Jesus escape! All preaching does some good. No doubt she does some good. But why is preaching God’s indwelling left off in preference to factoids-a-plenty sermons creating atmospheres for deception, control and reverse-Robin-Hood giving? www.inthatdayteachings.com | ||
| robert_burke New member Username: robert_burke Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.229.194.235 |
Here’s How! – Faith-only doctrine (which is Melissa Scott's core teaching if you take away the witchcraft mesmerization of brazen scripture-chasing confusion) is untrue. Works-only doctrine is also untrue. Faith plus works gives opportunity for Jesus to manifest in our lives. Observe how faith-heavy ministries solve their doctrinal (grin) "problem." When they increase faith in their sheep, the sheep must concurrently increase their works because the twin forces operate integrally. If you fail to teach how to manifest Jesus in good works, then you create an unfulfilled force. So the faith-heavy ministries fill this void they create. They exhort the sheep to (a) give until it hurts (Scott, et al) or (b) give-to-get (KCM, et al.) Restated: Simply pervert the natural way of worshipping God in spirit and truth by directing works (i.e. sacrificial giving of one’s life) to themselves as donations for economic gain, only don’t call it such. It simply fills in the doctrinal void created in their followers by their unbalanced emphasis on faith. In this fashion, the success of heavy-on-faith ministries disproves faith without works while proving anyone can be duplicitous. It’s a neat trick: Preach followers to increase “faith” while deemphasizing “works;” only to get them to “give the works” back to you. The only losers are Jesus and His sheep, who aren't able to manifest in each other. But the faith ministries are happy with their doctrines that result in such great incomes. As Frank Sinatra sang the George Gershwin tune, “Nice work if you can get it, and if you get it –won’t you tell me how?” www.inthatdayteachings.com | ||
| watchman_ct New member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
I found this letter from Paul to the evil folk at alt.fan.gene-scott recently and thought you'd like to read his comments on this topic. Newsgroups: alt.fan.gene-scott From: pjvideo3@mac.com Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:46:51 -0800 (PST) Local: Wed, Dec 26 2007 12:46 am Subject: Re: Paul Crouch Jr is fishing for a wife... Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author On Dec 15, 10:40 pm, "rpbc" <spicer_17@protected> wrote: - Show quoted text - Dear faithful followers of Dr. Gene Scott, As soon as someone alerted me that my "Dissolution of Marriage" had been posted on the internet, I decided to peruse this site for the last week or so. I've checked out many of the postings, and not being an experienced "blogger", wanted to see exactly how forums like this operate. I've always considered "blogging" to be the equivalent of writing on the bathroom walls, but I digress. What struck me as I read through the various posts is, "Where did all of this hate and vileness emanate from?" I loved and respected Gene Scott tremendously, I didn't always agree with his tactics, but the man forgot more of the Bible, than most of us will ever know. Also, if my father ever had a true hero of the faith, it was Dr. Scott, as he watched him almost every evening in the late '80's and better part of the '90's. (And no he was not offended at the "Rufuss Glittertooth" references, and the fact that TBN sold, "Jesus Junk." My father and Dr. Scott actually went to the same Bible college and ministered together in the late '50's) After 35 years of TV ministry, you build up a pretty thick skin, and both of my folks have hides as tough as an Elephant....trust me! But here's the disturbing part, the Bible says, "By their fruit you will know them." Dear Lord, if you guys are the "fruit" of Dr. Gene Scott, then I think I'll pass!! cont... | ||
| watchman_ct Junior Member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 26 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
the rest... Most of the messages and posting I've seen against me, Pastor Melissa Scott and others are full of anger, lies, deceit, misinformation, and flat out false conjecture! Much of it so inaccurate it's comical, some of it just skewed enough to be slanderous. Why? Do you guys really think you're going to change anything by posting words on a meaningless blog? Do you really think in the long run it will even matter? The answer is obvious. Pastor Melissa Scott, or PMS as I've learned from this forum, is doing all she can to propagate the sermons and teachings of your esteemed leader. She has spent millions on air time on ION / PAX to keep his message available to a TV audience, she keeps his website operating, and is publishing many of his sermons into book form. I have sat in the church the last few months (to the disdain of many) and can tell you from someone who has worked closely with hundreds of "prominent ministers" in my day, (Billy Graham, Fred Jordan, Dr. Bill Bright, Dr. Robert Schuller, Oral Roberts, E.V. Hill, T.D. Jakes, etc.) Pastor Melissa is an incredible teacher. She is communicating one of the purest messages I've ever heard and have truly learned much in my short time in attendance. As for those of you who love to dig up a person's past...PLEASE! I have interviewed hundreds of people on TBN with every sin known to man lingering in the "past!" I've spoken with murderers, rapists, drug dealers, drug addicts, alcoholics, prostitutes, liars, thieves, etc. And guess what? They've all been saved and cleansed by the same blood of Christ that Dr. Gene Scott preached about his whole life. What's in the past is buried, and would any of us want our whole life thrown up for the world to see? I know I wouldn't.... All of us a just sinners saved by grace and for that we should be eternally grateful. My suggestion to all of the PMS bashers is, "get a life!" Go to the beach, see a movie, take a walk with a loved one, whatever....sitting around obsessing on what is, or is not, happening within the University Cathedral is kind of strange to me, but I can honestly say a bit amusing. I support all ministers who truly have a heart for the Lord, and are preaching a true Gospel, to which Pastor Melissa definitely is. My overall feeling after reading many of your diatribes, is true sadness. I read one post that said, "Doc, would turn over in his grave if he knew...blah, blah, blah...." I feel he would "turn over in his grave", by realizing many of YOU are the "fruits" of a lifetime ministry. Tragic..... Please don't waste a lot of time trying to "convince" me why I'm wrong, misinformed, or full of crap....because I don't need to hear it, and you will change nothing. God is blessing TBN, Pastor Melissa Scott, (even though many of you want both of us to burn in hell) and thousands of other ministers who will continue to preach his word. (And blessing in spite of your incessant blogging!) My father took the Great Commission literally, when Christ said, "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel." We are doing that 24/7 365 days a year...and will continue 'till the Lord returns, I promise you that. Pastor Melissa is committed to keeping Dr. Scotts church open, thriving, alive and well, despite the naysayers and those who have left for one reason or another. cont... | ||
| watchman_ct Junior Member Username: watchman_ct Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.109.67.117 |
the end... She didn't ask for the job....God called her to it, Gene Scott appointed her, and she sure isn't staying for the money or her health, that's for sure!! Blog away one and all, and say what you will.....God's work will continue despite those who sit on the sidelines and criticize. Even Christ had people who hated him, so why should today's ministers or PMS be any different? :-) Blessings, Paul Crouch, Jr. Chief of Staff Trinity Broadcasting Network (714) 731-2300 In case many of you don't think it's really me. But also know we can instantly trace all calls to that line!! Be warned. ;-) | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 3893 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.85.117.176 |
i have not liked nor do i watch the tbn show and that is what they are a show with paul and jan crouch. they are a money loving bunch who hardly ever mentions the NAME OF JESUS , just money. |
