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majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 187
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.94.92.210
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 10:01 pm: | 
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Every time Anathema (aka Prax) posts, I'll give $3.00 to FACTnet. This will be on top of what I've already given FACTnet.
I figured there ought to be SOME good that comes out of his posts. Folks, help me keep track of the total.
I encourage those of you that have suffered damages through HH to consider legal remedy to recover damages. The least expensive way to do this is to get a lawyer to take it on contingency, but there will be a time limitation on how long after the fact you can file.
A while back I contacted 60 Minutes about HH, but they want a written submission, which I didn't do (yet). I don't know- maybe I should make some time and do it. |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 192
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 198.250.180.194
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 4:12 pm: |
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Thanks to Anathema. Partly due to his posts Factnet raised $1000 over the weekend! Factnet bulletin boards are not going down! |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 106
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 11:31 am: |
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I will give my testimony to the media.
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Ephesians 5:10-12 |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 92
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 5:11 pm: |
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I think it would be wise to seek counsel before going too far with the idea of legal action. Many members have virtually signed away their rights to fair treatment by the HH leaders.
1st, the Court had this to say…….” When people voluntarily join together in pursuit of spiritual fulfillment, the First Amendment requires that the government respect their decision and not impose its own ideas on the religious organization. Under the First Amendment people may freely consent to being spiritually governed by an established set of ecclesiastical tenets defined and carried out by those chosen to interpret and impose them: "The right to organize voluntary religious associations to assist in the expression and dissemination of any religious doctrine, and to create tribunals for the decision of controverted questions of faith within the association, and for the ecclesiastical government of all the individual members, congregations, and officers within the general association, is unquestioned. All who unite themselves to such a body do so with an implied consent to this government, and are bound to submit to it."
And 2nd, for a number of years joining members have signed papers with a ‘conciliation clause’.
However, there is an implied standard of conduct and if you can prove an occurrence such as momentous infliction of emotional distress there could be reason to pursue relief.
Just thinking out loud. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 93
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 5:15 pm: |
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Remember, they have attorneys within their church who stay up night’s writings ways to cover their actions. |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 194
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 198.250.180.194
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 5:31 pm: |
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Nixon, Enron & Martha Stewart had lawyers too. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 94
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 5:34 pm: |
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One thing is for sure; in the discovery process there would probably be a significant amount of buried details of past bad behavior by HH elders surfacing. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 95
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 5:35 pm: |
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Could get quite interesting! |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 195
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 198.250.180.194
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 6:43 pm: |
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Since "absolute power corrupts absolutely", and there are no checks and balances out there, these human beings will inevitably screw up and have to pay the piper. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2119
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 8:31 pm: |
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I know at least one that will testify and that person knows a lot... |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 196
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.94.92.210
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 8:37 pm: |
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Follow logic: If you were wrongly treated; if you had damages, you have to figure- did I give the money or get badly treated willingly? Was I misled? Was I lied to? Was there corruption? Was there criminal activity or intent? Was someone practicing medicine on me without a license, and I suffered harm? |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2120
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 8:47 pm: |
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I don´t think all the lawyers in the world can save them if God says it is time for the world to see the real HH... |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 408
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.101
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 9:04 pm: |
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"I'm putting my money where my mouth is"
Careful, I did that once and it tasted pretty bad.
Missionary Lady, I'll give YOU three dollars for every person you lead to the Lord.
Might take away from your time here, but you might wind up making 6 or 9 bucks next year... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2121
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 8:44 am: |
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Won two catholic ladies last night at a bible study... |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2122
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 8:52 am: |
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a devil worshipper came to me Sunday after the sermon and wants to be a believer...so that´s three you owe me for...
why don´t you come over to see you you might like the mission field... |
saygoodnightgracie
Intermediate Member
Username: saygoodnightgracie
Post Number: 410
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.64.222.101
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:29 am: |
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Have them contact me for a "Next Steps in Faith" guide... |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 96
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:33 am: |
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ML,
Just ignore 'saygoodnight'.
It will go away. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2123
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 12:23 pm: |
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I guess sgng would like for us to forget the pain at HH...but for a missionary to see wrong and not do anything is pretty coward in my book...
They can believe whatever they want to believe...the earth is flat if they want to but when it comes to mistreating people, lieing about people, dividing families...then the earth ceases to be flat! |
a_sister_of_yours
Junior Member
Username: a_sister_of_yours
Post Number: 37
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 71.220.17.48
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:55 pm: |
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The first ammendment DOES NOT protect the right to rape, abuse, molest (or allow others to do so) those who are entrusted to you, even if they are your own children.
Those of you who know of others or who have been abused yourself in such manner owe it to yourselves, and the other innocents that no one else is going to stand up for, to speak out and bring charges.
I believe that the satute of limitations generally starts from when you realize you have been the victim of abuse, not from the date when the abuse actually happened (in general, but not in all places the same). So, if you are just now realizing that what happened to you was possibly abuse, please seek help and legal counsel.
PLEASE, SPEAK OUT!
asoy |
in_season
New member
Username: in_season
Post Number: 22
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.162.112.68
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 10:07 am: |
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Covered, Sister, Maj.,
You can gather from my posts that I agree with you on most of what you post. The majority of the ex-members do, that is why they post.
There are many who read these posts and would like to add to the testimony, but the hurt and the fear of reprisal or family members left behind keep them from doing so.
Covered there is no doubt that you suffered abuse from what you posted and that took some courage to become as vulnerable as you have.
It is another thing altogether to bring litigation. If you can find an attorney that will take your case you will have to find some collaborating testimony from those still inside HH or direct witnesses to the event outside HH and or medical reports, dates etc. You then open yourself up for unbelievable scrutiny from HH to destroy your credibility as a witness and go after your testimony.
If you want to get a taste of how that works go back and read the “response” to CE if you were there when they made everyone read it. He wrote a letter of a few pages and HH wrote what amounted to a book of over two hundred pages.
We were told that was a loving response to bring him to repentance.
Think of what they would do with the gloves off in court. I am not saying that if you have the evidence and you are willing for your life to be sliced open like a ripe melon you should not do it. More importantly if God told you to do it then do it, but litigation is not something you do unless you really have the evidence to back it up and the stomach to take the additional abuse that will follow.
Your word against HH will not hold up in court and do you think they would tell the truth? As members they opt out of jury duty for religous conviction. They believe like David going to the Phlistine king and pretending to be crazy so he could hide from Saul gives them justification to lie to protect their kingdom, like David lied when he said he was crazy and even drolled at the mouth to prove he was crazy. Look at recent past.
Waco news paper article....
From the thread Waco Tribune Article HW...
In the article: The group is led by a contingent of 20 men called ministers who are similar to what other churches call elders. Although the group was founded by Blair Adams, he has no more authority than the other ministers, they say.
HW says that all 20 men have the same authority just the same as Blair! Wow!
HW says when disciplining members at no time do they holler or scream at them. Wow! (Fairly recently one of the co-equal "ministers" disciplined another "minister" so much that he had a heart attack, of course "at no time did he scream or holler at him" Wow!)
HW says they do not prep members when visitors come. Wow!(they have a book of what to do and say and how to act.)
You see what I am saying that was just a news paper article fighting for public opinion not a court of law where you could legally hurt them. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 97
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 11:04 am: |
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The silver bullet would be to get a recording of some of these things we know happens. If anyone is thinking of leaving HH; if you feel the Lord is leading you out; try to get a recording of any meetings where the abuse is occurring. They cannot dispute hard evidence. A small recorder in a purse or coat pocket will do. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 98
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 11:06 am: |
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Even if you are not leaving yet you will wish you had if you ever decide to leave. By then it’s too late; they are watching you. If you don’t leave you can always destroy what you have. |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 198
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.94.92.210
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 11:46 am: |
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What are they directed to say to visitors? |
searchitout
New member
Username: searchitout
Post Number: 22
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.195.111.149
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 7:10 pm: |
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I am in upstate NY and was a member of New Covenant Community Church.I have evidence written and taped of what they have done but as we all know legal matters such as these are very tricky.NCC has joined itself to HH so I can imagine the abuse that is to come and the misleading lies of self seeking"pastors".If CNN or any other news station wants proof I have interesting proof and will gladly give it to them. |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 207
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 198.250.180.194
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 9:58 pm: |
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60 Minutes will look at proposals for a show IF you put it into writing and submit it to them. This is too short for a 5 minute segment. Other options are TIME and US News and World Reports, or, even letting Christianity Today know there's another face to HH they completely missed. |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 215
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.94.92.210
| | Posted on Monday, December 24, 2007 - 2:03 pm: |
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Since I have a Google AdWords account already for a gunsmithing/shooting bulletin board I've had for 5 years, I added a new ad campaign. This will be the most cost effective and efficient way to spend that $3 per Prax post I promised to Factnet. I will direct the AdWords posts to this discussion board with the funds. I am targeting the tourism to HH, which is the lifeblood of the organization. If the tourists look online through Google they should see (within my spending limits) an ad to this discussion board. |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 221
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 198.250.180.194
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 7:57 pm: |
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I have also added a Yahoo ad campaign. |