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mklo
Advanced Member
Username: mklo
Post Number: 668
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 216.229.186.218
| | Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 4:23 pm: | 
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Are there any ministers of NTCC willing to address the persistent rumor that Rev. S. Rickards has left the organization?
I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend, and I'm just looking for clarification.
Thanks. |
victorjohanson
Senior Member
Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 1398
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.223.233.130
| | Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 5:38 pm: |
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"Are there any ministers of NTCC willing to address the persistent rumor that Rev. S. Rickards has left the organization?"
Well, if it's true, I'm sure the usual suspects will shortly materialize to compete in dropping him like a hot rock, declaring their contempt for another "Judas" who was never really "in," and doing their worst to malign his character and disparage his years of loyal service as just a phony show. But I predict that even some of these critics will eventually end up with us; they will bail from NTCC just like we did once they learn the truth about this dysfunctional and toxic organization's leadership.
Their time has just not come (yet). |
bro_derrick
Senior Member
Username: bro_derrick
Post Number: 1901
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.216.117.253
| | Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 12:26 pm: |
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Praise God if it is so! God is indeed winning, and God's little sheepies are indeed leaving!
and their liberation is there for the walking!
One distinct thing to notice is that the people who truly want to be just normal, happy Christians, and have their happiness in love and friendship of people are the ones getting out.
The reason is that they just can't quite seem to crucify their tender-heartedness enough to be a real success in Davis' business.
It really always comes down to that simple fact: will I be a believer in God's goodness and treat ourselves and others accordingly, or am I going to be a good Company Man and make it big as a sheep-pusher in the People Business??
The little flock of Jesus get out, and the wolves stay in! It really is just that simple.
And Davis is the main man for the devil to turn sheep into wolves.
'For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.' (2 Cor 1:12) |
mklo
Advanced Member
Username: mklo
Post Number: 673
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 216.229.186.218
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 4:24 pm: |
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ntcctruth
Advanced Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 962
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 70.102.118.90
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 6:31 pm: |
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If either of the Rickards twins sees this post, I'd love to hear from them. They (along with their families) are as precious as they come...real nice. I remember both Rickards families when they were in Virginia and beyond. Please email me at ntcctruth@yahoo.com
Marc Perez |
ntcctruth
Advanced Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 965
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.10.213.214
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 8:49 am: |
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Here are the current NTCC website listings for the Rickards Twins:
Scott:
http://www.newtestamentchristianchurches.org/Located.aspx?ChurchID=3
Kurt:
http://www.newtestamentchristianchurches.org/Located.aspx?ChurchID=88
Unless the website is out of date, I would tend to believe that neither one of them have left yet.
Marc Perez |
ntcctruth
Advanced Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 969
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 74.50.202.54
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 10:00 am: |
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I had just found out the answer to the question and have been given permission by the said individual to post the fact that he has resigned from NTCC.
Marc Perez |
mklo
Advanced Member
Username: mklo
Post Number: 674
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 216.229.186.218
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 2:26 pm: |
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That's good news!
For the others, the decision looms:
http://uplink.space.com/attachments/350198-red_pill_or_blue_pill.jpg |
victorjohanson
Senior Member
Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 1420
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.223.233.130
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 4:40 pm: |
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"http://uplink.space.com/attachments/350198-red_pill_or_blue_pill.jpg"
Now that DVDs are approved, maybe this cinematic allusion will be understood by NTCC loyalists.
So far, I haven't run across anyone who has followed the rabbit hole that regrets their Red Pill decision. |
ntcctruth
Advanced Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 972
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 70.102.118.90
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 1:36 am: |
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I know I put this in another thread, but it seems appropriate here. I hope that others will find their liberty in Christ without the manmade corruption, control, isolation, and religious pride injected by the likes of where we came from...along with their goals and futures determined by the strong influences by our former leader, RWD.
I dedicate this song to those left behind in NTCC - Dreams I'll Never See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vucQFhePzg&feature=related
Marc Perez |
mklo
Advanced Member
Username: mklo
Post Number: 678
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 67.185.114.218
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 2:46 pm: |
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thegreatescape
New member
Username: thegreatescape
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 75.111.103.143
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 6:02 pm: |
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My family has left the org a few weeks ago, AND THERE IS SALVATION AFTER NTCC!! Do any of ya'll have any advice on dealing with the shunning?? |
weezer
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Username: weezer
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 68.26.23.65
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 7:07 pm: |
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yeah, go on and be a christian. don't worry about it. some will talk to you still, some won't. whatever.
your christianity isn't dependent upon what someone else thinks or says.
it'll take a while...
sometimes i still get angry about some things
(Message edited by weezer on December 19, 2007) |
clearwater
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Username: clearwater
Post Number: 16
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 71.227.171.20
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 7:50 pm: |
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Hello Scott,
We were pretty tight in Korea when I used to school you in B-ball. Send me an email pm716@hotmail.com |
ntcctruth
Advanced Member
Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 996
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 98.203.136.85
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 10:52 pm: |
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Take this to the bank:
The man who will take his place will see a big drop in numbers in Amarillo. This man said he was a "numbers man" when he was the cheif pushman of the St. Louis location, but it didn't really grow under his command. I bet the same or worse (much worse) will happen in Amarillo...
Are you reading this, MCKEKEL? Olson?
You lost a good man and his family because your cult doesn't mix with real Christianity very well for very long. Good people wind up leaving sooner or later. Only the clones...the pushmen...the ones that chose a career in pushing souls for you guys have any chance of staying in your borg.
Marc Perez |
tracy_pelfrey
Advanced Member
Username: tracy_pelfrey
Post Number: 946
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 69.208.13.50
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:14 am: |
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Scott,
Our family was thrilled by the news of your leaving. Very thrilled.
Concerning the shunning: I know for us...the worst part was the realization that we had once been "shunners" ourselves. From there, it got easy because we realized just how many were "out" and how many were on their way "out".
That, of course, doesn't help with the initial shunning. But, it does supply some hope.
The hardest ones hit by the shunning are our children. They were excited about leaving, but devastated at what they knew would happen concerning their friends. Actually, it isn't their friends who avoid them like the plague...it's their Christian parents who do that "for them".
I know I am very thankful to the 2-3 parents who have "allowed" their children to still associate with my daughters. It has meant the world to them...most especially during our initial phase of escape.
I think a lot of what we are dealing with concerning the shunning is the fact that we realize what we were involved with for so many years of our lives...and find ourselves wanting to help the very ones who shun us. Many times, our own blood family members. We saw that a lot in NTCC...and still do.
Mothers shunning sons, daughters shunning fathers, sisters shunning sisters, etc. Our "grief" over the shunning is not that it is happening, necessarily, although there is some of that...but it is the fact that these people are still held captive and we want to free them, but we aren't sure of the best way to go about it. We knew the avoidance would come. It's one of the things that held us back from making the move sooner. Wouldn't you say?
January 1, 2008 will be our 2-year OUT Anniversary.
In that time, I've made so many new friends, (unfortunately, none of them in my "neighborhood",) and I've re-gained many friends who once shunned us and we also regained friendships with those that we once avoided because they left NTCC.
The stats are in our favor Scott. It is more likely that those who are giving you a hard time now will eventually leave NTCC than it is that they will stay in and coninue avoiding you.
Take hope in that. Pray. And it will all work out. I speak from experience, and you are one more family which proves my point.
Say hello to the "Mrs." for me and to your lovely kids.
Tracy Pelfrey |
doug_allen
Intermediate Member
Username: doug_allen
Post Number: 237
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 68.230.216.36
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 3:02 pm: |
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Scott, it is such great news! Life is great after ntcc and as a matter of fact I am in Virginia where I first met you and your bro 15 years ago to this week. It was at Dorsie's church on Old Courthouse Way in Newport News and he let four of us preach on a Sat night including you, your brother, Baldwin and me; what a long strange trip its been. I'd love to hear from ya... allengatorz@juno.com
Doug |
rickards_scott_twin
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Username: rickards_scott_twin
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 9:03 am: |
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I've had some difficulty posting so I'm doing a test before I say what I need to say... |
rickards_scott_twin
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Username: rickards_scott_twin
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 10:03 am: |
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I would like to begin by setting the record straight...this is my first post. Not that it is a big deal, but by reading the verbiage above some might have the idea that I'm the "greatescape" asking how to recover from shunning...that isn't me. With all do respect, I don't hide behind pseudo-names. For those of you who know me & my twin brother...what you see is what you get!
I recently started reading Factnet out of curiosity mostly & yes I will concede to the fact that some of things posted were therapeutic. Although, I must say I am surprised to find that some of you justify sin in your lives under the guise of freedom. Departing NTCC may give us some liberties in Christ because we're no longer under strict rules, regulations & demands concocted by men, however we are not to abuse these Christian freedoms as some of you have (i realize it isn't the majority) by not paying tithe, drinking alcohol, smoking dope, cursing, etc. (Tithe was established over 400 years before the law & it wasn't abolished in the NT)
Another amazing thing is how some of you complain about NTCC twisting scripture, but you do the same thing when you use the scripture to support your hate & slander...and yes, the people from NTCC that post the same junk are just as guilty.
Please don't congratulate me on my departure - it's not like I've been delivered from death row or something.
Do I have problems with NTCC? Of course I do otherwise I wouldn't have left them. My leaving was a arduous decision to say the least, one that took me four years to come to grips with. Do I regret my choice? Absolutely not! We are very happy and we are attending a wonderful church. As for my calling/ministry, I am waiting on God for direction...I need some time to rest & heal. After careful study of God's word & thru much prayer, my wife & I decided that we no longer could be a part of something we didn't believe in. Nevertheless, I'm grateful for NTCC. I could focus on the negatives like some of you have for years now, but I would rather go on with my life in Christ. I can't imagine in 2 or 3 years from now still pining over the same old stuff...the negative diatribe gets real old to me...and a person only stifles their own growth in God by not letting go of the past. If I wanted to I could focus on all the things that give me heart burn, but if I do it will only engender bitterness & ungodly feelings.
I could go on & on because I have the proclivity to be quite loquacious at times...ok, all the time, but I must shut up!
One last thing (maybe)...I hope I didn't come off with a holier than thou attitude because that's not how I mean my statements to sound. I know how many of you feel, because I can relate to some of the truths posted on factnet, but I feel we do ourselves an injustice to cling to the things of the past. We have to look at ourselves & take accountability for our own actions & choices. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life blaming Pastor Davis or others for the last 17 years of my life, we will all stand before the King. I could have left a long time ago when Pastor gave the invitation at conferences as he always does. We are free moral agents to go where we want. We stayed as long as we did & put up with "stuff" because we wanted to. Yes there is the fear factor, the control issues, etc. But the bottom line we stayed & we didn't have to. I will say, I am glad I came to my senses at 38 years old rather than grow old with NTCC.
Also, it has been a blessing to be able to hear from some of my old friends who have departed in the last few years.
Take care & God bless! |
weezer
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Username: weezer
Post Number: 15
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.6.144.177
| | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 10:26 am: |
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i still have honest questions about the tithe thing. i still need to look more into it, not that i'm trying to justify anything. whatever is the truth is the truth. i don't want to follow the script that everyone else follows, i need to find out for myself.
why did God tell them in the OT if their "tithe" was too heavy to carry for them to convert it to money and buy whatever they wanted ?
Why do some use a verse paul used (i would have to look it up) concerning giving, but ignore the verse right below it when Paul said "I didn't recieve it because i didn't want to be burdensome or possibly hinder the gospel." |
victorjohanson
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Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 216.67.70.63
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 5:34 pm: |
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"...I need some time to rest & heal."
You may wish to consider allocating some time to thinking, too. The general experience is that much of the doctrine we were spoonfed doesn't withstand honest scrutiny, and the prevalant NTCC "check your brain at the door" philosophy militates against rigorous cogitation. Please don't dismiss this friendly advice as sarcasm; I'm sincere, and wish you the best. |
bro_derrick
Senior Member
Username: bro_derrick
Post Number: 1972
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.216.164.52
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 6:01 pm: |
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"I could have left a long time ago when Pastor gave the invitation at conferences as he always does. We are free moral agents to go where we want."
"You can leave anytime you want! You don't HAVE to be here! God doesn't force ANYONE to serve Him! If someone wants to go and live in sin, then God will let them, but there IS a day of judgment to answer for it!" Davis
The 'invitation'... |
tracypelfrey
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Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.8.29
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 8:30 pm: |
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SCOTT RICKARDS WROTE:
"I would like to begin by setting the record straight...this is my first post. Not that it is a big deal, but by reading the verbiage above some might have the idea that I'm the "greatescape" asking how to recover from shunning...that isn't me. With all do respect, I don't hide behind pseudo-names. For those of you who know me & my twin brother...what you see is what you get!
Please don't congratulate me on my departure - it's not like I've been delivered from death row or something. Do I have problems with NTCC? Of course I do otherwise I wouldn't have left them."
HERE IS MY RESPONSE TO SCOTT:
"First off: Congrats on Your Great Escape!
Someone named "Charger"posted something responding to "thegreatescape" and addressed it to "Scott". So, I'll have to ask forgiveness. I made the assumption it was you...since my husband and I had word several days earlier that you and your family had escaped NTCC."
SCOTT SAID:
"Although, I must say I am surprised to find that some of you justify sin in your lives under the guise of freedom. Departing NTCC may give us some liberties in Christ because we're no longer under strict rules, regulations & demands concocted by men, however we are not to abuse these Christian freedoms as some of you have (i realize it isn't the majority) by not paying tithe, drinking alcohol, smoking dope, cursing, etc. (Tithe was established over 400 years before the law & it wasn't abolished in the NT) Another amazing thing is how some of you complain about NTCC twisting scripture, but you do the same thing when you use the scripture to support your hate & slander...and yes, the people from NTCC that post the same junk are just as guilty."
MY RESPONSE TO SCOTT:
Based on your above quote, I guess that those of us who linger on Factnet longer than we are "supposed" to are quite blessed to have you show up and preach a message to us. I'm so very grateful. I thought I was coming to Factnet for one reason, but I can see from your sermon...that is not the case. I stand corrected., and I'm sure others feel the same gratitude as I do.
I'm not sure if I am one of the folks abusing my liberty in Christ by being on this forum...but I am so convicted by your message that I am in the self-examination process right now. All it takes is an NTCC preacher to show up...and the glory just falls all around...and...well...I'm just so thankful. (and if you sense any sarcasm...then your senses are right
TO BE CONTINUED... |
tracypelfrey
New member
Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.8.29
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 8:37 pm: |
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Back some time ago...I think last summer...I drove to New Jersey to visit family and to visit some friends which I met on the Yahoo Support Group. Nice folks. Folks who had really been burned by Davis and his "wannabes". I met Linda...the lady who is now being smeared by Greg Shunk and pictures were taken of all of us.
From that picture alone...many judgements were made by preachers in NTCC...including Kekel. Based on objects in the picture and based on my taking a picture with the likes of Linda...it was •••-umed that I was IN SIN. It was assumed that I was partaking of whatever everyone else was partaking of at this barbecue.
I was in this house for not even an hour...or just an hour. I popped in and popped out. I was amazed at the spiritual insight of these great MEN OF GOD...who could tell...just from a picture...what was going on. Rumors were spread about me and others and pictures posted (please...don't take my word for all of this...read the Factnet archives for yourself) of not only me and these others...but our kids and spouses who have never had anything to do with NTCC...except to marry someone who was once a member.
I said all that...because I sense the same spirit from you Scott. You are trotting onto this forum on your high horse and admonishing everyone. This is not an NTCC pulpit. You'll find that one of the most gratifying things about being OUT is that you will begin to stop all of the JUDGING of others and assigning them to their special compartments in Hell.
And, let me say that even though I am being sarcastic...I am doing it with a smile. You see, most of us have been where you are. We were really "put off" in finding out some of the things people have become involved in since leaving this group. We were still in NTCC-JUDGMENT mode.
Those scales will fall off though...and you will begin to treat men and women with kindness and acceptance no matter who they are or what they are doing. You will begin to realize that many of the beliefs you once held dear...or still hold dear...are in fact just a bunch of hooey and manmade doctrine.
You cannot see the tone of your post above...because you are just a "newbie" at this "escape" stuff. (yeah, I'm using the word "escape" to annoy you...but in a funloving way mind you)
TO BE CONTINUED |
tracypelfrey
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Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.8.29
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MORE "high-horse" FROM SCOTT:
"I'm grateful for NTCC. I could focus on the negatives like some of you have for years now, but I would rather go on with my life in Christ. I can't imagine in 2 or 3 years from now still pining over the same old stuff...the negative diatribe gets real old to me...and a person only stifles their own growth in God by not letting go of the past. If I wanted to I could focus on all the things that give me heart burn, but if I do it will only engender bitterness & ungodly feelings."
MY RESPONSE:
Scott knows how to leave NTCC the RIGHT WAY. He isn't like all of us who are focusing on what he has determined to be the negatives. Again...he still has NTCC running through his veins. HE ISN'T A SINNER LIKE US. He is leaving the RIGHT WAY. For whatever reason he came to Factnet...that is the RIGHT WAY to come to Factnet. And, for however long he remains on FACTNET reading and posting...that is the right amount of time to stay and post on Factnet. For anyone to do it differently...then you are filled with bitter and ungodly feelings.
This may not have been your intention when you wrote this post Scott, but that is how it comes off. Many of us who have read your post above...have come away with the same feeling. That you and your family are better than many of us. But, take solace in the fact that we understand. Just as we have "been THERE"(in NTCC)...having devoted 17 or more years of our lives to something we thought was God's plan for our lives...and we gave it our all...we also understand the being "out" part too. We don't take anything you are saying personally or to heart. We can actually dismiss it and "feel" for you in this matter. You also have a brother still "in". We know that is difficult also. If I were in your position I wouldn't want to create waves for him...because you know he is being watched now that you are out. He is and will be watched and he will be "wooed" by the Leadership...more than ever. If they sense that he is "un-woo-able"...then they will "dis" him and his family. We know this because it has happened to so many others...and for so many years.
TO BE CONTINUED... |
tracypelfrey
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Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.8.29
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 8:42 pm: |
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Scott, you then went on to assure us that your attitude was not holier than thou...
"One last thing (maybe)...I hope I didn't come off with a holier than thou attitude because that's not how I mean my statements to sound.
...that kind of fell flat when you finished that sentence with...
"I know how many of you feel, because I can relate to some of the truths posted on factnet, but I feel we do ourselves an injustice to cling to the things of the past. We have to look at ourselves & take accountability for our own actions & choices. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life blaming Pastor Davis or others for the last 17 years of my life, we will all stand before the King. I could have left a long time ago when Pastor gave the invitation at conferences as he always does. We are free moral agents to go where we want. We stayed as long as we did & put up with "stuff" because we wanted to. Yes there is the fear factor, the control issues, etc. But the bottom line we stayed & we didn't have to. I will say, I am glad I came to my senses at 38 years old rather than grow old with NTCC"
MY RESPONSE TO SCOTT:
The rest of what you posted COMES ACROSS as if you know how to leave NTCC the right way and you are encouraging others to do the same.
Many of us who remain on Factnet...and really, I can only speak for myself...but I know many of these other posters and we speak on the phone and through emails and hang out in Yahoo Groups together...and we believe NTCC is a Cult and Davis is a NARCISSIST and a Sociopath.
You might not have all of the information at hand to make that determination...but some of us do and so...that being the case...would you expect us to do otherwise? To go away and HOPE...that folks won't get entangled in that mess and have their lives and those of their families ruined? Or to make sure they do not by being a constant online presence to point the way AWAY from NTCC?
Those of us who have escaped with our families in tact...and who have remained in tact...are the exception...and not the rule.
Many of us have been in touch with so many church members and preachers and their families who still are in NTCC or who have recently left...if you knew all of the stories and how they all jive and how they are backed up by others...it would blow your mind.
Just take what you know about what went on in Newport News and Richmond during your tenure there and INTENSIFY IT and MULTIPLY IT All!
Brian and I tried to get through to the Kekels and Davis and Olson and others about the problems in the organization...and they agreed with us while we were in...and as soon as we were out...they lied and lied some more about their statements.
TO BE CONTINUED... |
tracypelfrey
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Username: tracypelfrey
Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 76.211.8.29
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 8:47 pm: |
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This Factnet Forum and ntccXposed.com and other sites and blogs with testimonies have been a great help to folks.
And, you...an ex-preacher...should have some knowledge of Psychology after having dealt with people and their problems for so many years...is there no tenderness? Is there no empathy?... to realize and to open up your mind to the possibility that all of us deal with what we've been through and what our children have been through in different ways.
Can you not at least find a bit of understanding in your heart to give way to the possibility that some of us might have knowledge of Davis and other preachers in his organization who have committed actual crimes against women and children and we believe with all of our hearts that he and others belong in Jail.
They are extortioners who operate under the blood-stained banner of Jesus Christ..our Lord and Saviour. It's despicable and disgusting and since that is what many of us believe...then you will have to excuse our outbursts at times...or else...just don't visit this forum if it is too much for you.
But please, don't ride in on your horse trying to save the unwashed masses on Factnet. We are sick and tired of NTCC preaching and sermons and lectures and anything like it. It turns our stomach.
Maybe folks will begin to call and email you out of the blue with their NTCC stories. And, when you are through authenticating them...then come see us here on Factnet and I'll think you'll be singing a different tune. We may take issue with many who post to this forum and their conduct...but at least have tenderness enough or let down your guard enough to see past the rantings to the heart of the matter. After all, most of us who post here are not the ones who behaved badly or hurt people or stole from them or allowed child abusers in the pulpit or committed adultery with wives in the church house. Keep it in context...please?
NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES OF AMERICA, INC...in my own opinion and estimation...is a CULT...a religious cult which uses Jesus as their product. They are multilevel marketers and salesmen at best and they are extortioners and family-buster-uppers and liars and adulterers at worst. Not one of us who left wants to fully admit that at first...because it doesn't make us feel good to have been bamboozled for so many years. We understand. And, again, we do not take your "high-horsi-ness" personally.
For those of us who believe this to our very core about NTCC...we can do nothing else...but to warn the church-going public to STAY AWAY from these people.
They do not deserve a pass.
Thanks,
Tracy |
ntcctruth
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Username: ntcctruth
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
Posted From: 74.50.202.54
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 3:07 am: |
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Hi Tracey and Scott,
I'm not the first to notice this, but each of you had almost similar posts when you first got out of NTCC.
I myself had some of that same sentiment inside of me right before and right after I left the borg. Now that way of thinking is gone from me because, as Tracey rightfully suggested, it took some time for us to process all of the stuff we had been thru, all of the things we had been taught, and try to reconcile them in our mind against the Bible and our decisions to leave NTCC. We can all agree that we had so many mixed feelings leaving NTCC because of the psychological stranglehold that Davis & Co. had on us.
Since Scott had just recently left, I'd be inclined to cut him some slack. It'll take him some time to fully make that clean break in his mind from seeing Davis and NTCC as some great holy church of God. I bet he knows it already, but reality takes a while to fully set in, as it did with me.
Yours in Christ,
Marc Perez |
rls
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Posted From: 206.138.130.2
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Welcome to Scott to the exntcc zone. You have made the jump, now see what there really is out there, since you are no longer being spoonfed the stuff you were. You will find that in the study of the Word outside of the ntcc box will change your opinions you have recently posted over time, as you allow God by the Holy Spirit and His Word to deal with your heart.
Blessings sir. |
bro_derrick
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Posted From: 70.197.136.22
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 3:24 pm: |
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"I am glad I came to my senses at 38 years old rather than grow old with NTCC."
A business decision: Everyone NOW knows that Leadership rpomotions are NOT just based on performance and long-time loyalty, but rather on the politics of the day as it affects the Family of the day: Davis', soon to be Kekel's.
Scott has simply determined that he's not on Kekel's Star-list, and so he is (Smartly) getting out while the gettin's good.
Which is indeed GOOD. Good for himself, his family, and others that will no longer have him as a recruitment tool for Davis (soon to be Kekel).
Whether or not his heart is too tender to longer endure and/or acknowledge the actual injustice and damage of Davis-style ministry upon the sheep, remains to be seen (Between God and himself), but one thing's for sure: He has a far greater chance of being a sincerely-serving minister for Jesus' sake OUTSIDE of NTCC rather than inside (Which is well nigh impossible, and getting all the more impossible day by day... for good & decent people, that is.)
"After all, most of us who post here are not the ones who behaved badly or hurt people or stole from them or allowed child abusers in the pulpit or committed adultery with wives in the church house." |
bro_derrick
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Posted From: 70.197.136.22
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 3:46 pm: |
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"Departing NTCC may give us some liberties in Christ because we're no longer under strict rules, regulations & demands concocted by men, however we are not to abuse these Christian freedoms..."
1) It is true that some have thrown out the baby with the bathwater, which will also be laid at Davis' judgment.
The first error of ministry was to add to what God said an even higher standard than God had said (!) ('Neither shall ye touch it...')
Which is EXACTLY the inroad the devil subtley used to overthrow their faith to the point of actual transgression. ('Yea, hath God said...')
And so the devil went on to use Phariseeism and now Pentecostalism to cause many believers to be offended at the Law of God by Moses and now in Christ Jesus.
The subtle thing about Pentecostalism is that it's not wrong to practise it, but it's just false to teach it and keep it as the Lord's commandment, which it is not. (Not according to Scripture as it is written, anyway. And THAT's not a twist, but an un-twist.)
Just remember: Abstinence from any lawful thing is far more mature as a result of simple distaste, rather than as the product of a weaker conscience.
Pentecostalism preached as God's holiness for all is the subtle and devilish art of making the weaker of conscience appear to be the stronger of conviction (!) |
bro_derrick
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Posted From: 70.197.136.22
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 4:03 pm: |
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"And yes, the people from NTCC that post the same junk are just as guilty."
No they're NOT.
I AM the personyfication and the emboodiment of the devil and evil (!)
(Really, pandoring to the middle does not AT ALL impress me: Not on Factnet, anyway.)
It just displays a weakness of conscience and refusal to prove what we say is so.
And Factnet is NOT for the feint of heart... (Anonymous)
For this one reason alone: On Factnet, you have people who have completely and thoroughly repented and rid themselves of the cultish and childish manner of bowing heads with closed lips in response to high-sounding, super-holy, better-than, or even nicer-than declarations and visions of Christian behavior.
Other than: Jesus Christ and Him crucified for forgiveness of sins to all that believe, first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles.
The ONLY lock-step that works here are Jesus' own steps, and they ain't locked but free (!) |
in_the_end
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Posted From: 64.234.35.75
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 12:29 am: |
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I agree with Tracy. Its like changing brake pads, you have to bleed the air out of the lines before you breaks will work properly. It takes alittle time to bleed the air of NTCC out of your system. |
tracypelfrey
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Posted From: 76.211.5.238
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To: "in_the_end",
Today, January 1st, 2008, our family celebrated our two-year anniversary out of NTCC...and you know what?...we are still bleeding our brakes.
And, I am thankful for all of you who have been patient with us during the process.
And when those who have recently left...(and there's been a bunch)...are ready to restablish ties with those of us who have left before them...then we will be here. All lines of communication open.
I know when we left...and I started hearing from those who had left before us...it sort of "weirded" me out. I wasn't sure I wanted to speak to anyone who had left and been out a while. I didn't know what to "make" of them.
Still don't (just kidding...lighten up)
Tracy |
ntcctruth
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Posted From: 74.50.202.54
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Congratulations and Happy 2nd Anniversary, Brian and Tracy Pelfrey.
Marc Perez
P.S.: Still bleeding my brakes too...LOL |
doug_allen
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Posted From: 67.35.72.9
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 12:37 pm: |
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"I could have left a long time ago when Pastor gave the invitation at conferences as he always does."
Scott, that's a very interesting statement. You make it seem like there were always plenty of folks who just walked up in the middle of a conference and said to rw, "we're outta here..." after he made the resounding pronouncement "if you don't like the way something is done then just LEAVE!" |
victorjohanson
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Posted From: 66.223.233.130
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 1:21 pm: |
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"I could have left a long time ago when Pastor gave the invitation at conferences as he always does."
Keep telling yourself that; keep denying the mind control to which you were (are?) subject. |
okel
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Posted From: 70.6.51.113
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don't lie to yourself. he even says this in services sometimes, but who really is going to get up and leave Gods last chance for man as well as the only place you can be right with God at ? |
clearwater
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Posted From: 67.183.231.124
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 1:20 am: |
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God bless you Scott. Praying for you and your family. Keep in touch bro.
P.S. You were a pretty good ball player "back in the day" (lol) |
just2bhappy
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Posted From: 70.121.192.69
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 11:05 am: |
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I was saddened to read through this thread since Scott's post. The reason being is that I found that even on the "outside" of NTCC, it appears one is not allowed to have their own perspective and comments without potential backlash. One of the main reasons to "escape" NTCC is to be allowed to be a free thinker, and yet, Scott appearently did not know that he could be a free thinker here only if he presents the right amount hate and resentment, or worse. In the eight months since our own "escape," we have progressively, as with most escapees, saw the truths of the problems with NTCC. Scott too may begin to see things diffently as time goes on, but to lash out at him as has been done here, he left the fire and jumped in to the pan....It appears this forum may not be for all X'ers... |
clearwater
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Posted From: 67.183.231.124
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Just2bhappy, well said, in "my opinion". In fact I was thinking the same thing, albeit, along different lines. I have often thought and said, you know who your "real" friends are when you leave the org because you no longer agree with the party line.
Arguably, one could say the same thing with regardsto certain (not all) mindsets within certain forums. You know who your friends are when you don't agree with them.
Cyper-space hi-fives of sorts seem to fly when vitriol is spewed out. However, if one even "seems" to disagree with such an approach the assumption is made (by some not all) that one simply has not been thoroughly washed "yet".
No wonder, there are those who dare not even step out here even with a pseudonym.
Boy, I am in trouble now. The mere thought expressed via opinion, or insinuation that there is the slightest possibility that someone could be "over-the-top" so to speak is dangerous.
I feel like I am swimming in shark invested waters with a laceration on my leg.
OK on lookers........ Lets see who will "bite me" first. LOL |
pelfdaddy
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Posted From: 166.214.11.135
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 12:23 am: |
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chomp
I know Scott Rickards, and count him as a friend. But great effort has been exerted to warn people about NTCC, and each new escapee says the same old things that Scott is saying.
He does not believe he was manipulated.
He was, and so are hundreds of others.
He thinks he has something to teach the critics.
He has no idea what he is saying.
Scott prescribes the medicine of moving on from the past. He was the one who unloaded years of abuse at the hands of Steave Dorsie on me, for which I thank him still, and because of which I saw more of the truth about ntcc.
He doesn't get the emails from family members and those trapped in the org who thank its critics for their help. I guess he won't be a participant. I guess he cares nothing for those who are wronged. I guess he's happy to have left, and is not concerned about those left behind.
But the thing is...we all said similar things, and we all understand, and we do not hold it against him.
And yes, when it happens again, it will be explained again. There are no loyalty oaths out here...just the need to remind some people what it's about. |
clearwater
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Posted From: 67.183.231.124
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Clearwater said: "OK.... on lookers, lets see
who will "bite-me" first" (lol)
Pelfdaddy starts his post: "Chomp".
If you know whats good for ya children, "tay out uv dem dere watas.. Yes sa, tay out. Aint worth it. |
victorjohanson
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Posted From: 66.230.84.115
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 4:55 am: |
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Some appear to be pretty high minded when it comes to spilling one's guts about this org. It would be one thing to just pass it on by, but somehow they feel compelled to take a few shots at those who do feel compelled to issue a warning. Hey, if you feel good going blithely about your business while others suffer in bondage, you could at least leave those who cry out against these modern Pharisees alone. After sixteen years of the NTCC treatment, it may take at least that long for me to unload. So go ahead and 'move on' and leave the work to more stalwart characters; just don't hinder them. |
doug_allen
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Posted From: 67.35.72.9
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 1:44 pm: |
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Leaving the org is a traumatic experience to say the least. It took me almost one year after leaving to post anything on factnet, eventhough factnet was one of many testimonies over the years that caused me to rethink the org. The way Rev Kekel trashed out Vic as "whirlwind" was one of the final nails.
The fear of being labeled "a sower of dissention among the brethren" letter/stigma is a powerful tool to keep silent those who leave from speaking out against the abusive culture and queer doctrine of ntcc. |
tracypelfrey
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Posted From: 76.211.13.190
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 4:22 pm: |
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My husband and I have related in many places what transpired when we arrived in Newport News, VA to assume the job of pastoring.
That was at the end of June of 2005.
In September of that same year, we went to the conference in Missouri. While at the hotel in Mexico, MO, Scott Rickards approached my husband about Steve Dorsie and his wife and what happened to them while in Newport News as church members...before they came to Bible College.
Scott approached my husband...and mind you...this was years later...after these events occurred, but they so disturbed him...that they were still on his mind...and the man wanted to warn us and to have us do something about it...and to help others who had been affected by this couple while in Virginia.
He qualified the fact that he was bringing this information to my husband by telling him...in so many words: "I want to let you know what you are getting into and getting involved in".
I realize that he might have forgotten that incident, but I hope that he and others will see that there are wicked things which occur in NTCC and the leadership knows all about it. They do. And they don't care. PEOPLE NEED TO BE WARNED TO NOT ATTEND THERE AND THEIR ACTIONS NEED TO BE EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC...SO THAT THEY ARE ARMED WITH KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WON'T GET JUST SITTING IN A SERVICE or TWO.
IN fact...the Dorsies are now unleashed upon the community of Barberton, OH. I feel for that place.
THOSE of us who post on Factnet and who have done so for quite some time...have been admonished by Scott in one of his posts that we should move on and not belabor the things that we experienced while in NTCC.
Mind you...these are not issues which are little annoyances or JUST disagreements over doctrine...and what is posted on this forum is far worse than anything Dorsie ever did...and yet...Scott held onto that experience which he had with the Dorsies while a church member "under them"...because it was so bad...and he held onto it for many, many years...and he felt the need to WARN my husband about it.
I bring this out...because I hope folks like Scott and those that think like him...will realize that we are not playing some game here...it's not that anyone posting to this forum is bored and has nothing to do...and really, I can only speak for myself when I say that I am here for the long haul...to WARN and to EXPOSE the abusive ways of this group to those who might consider an innocent visitation to one of their churches...only to find out...it will not be so innocent should they choose to make a return visit.
For those who are still IN...they are contemplating all of these things also. The number of people who only read Factnet far outweigh those that read and post to it. I know because I've been contacted by folks out of the blue...and when they tell me who they are...I'm so surprised that they look in on the forum.
And to Scott and the others who think like him in his post above...
I've posted this not because I'm trying to give you a hard time, but to remind you that the ones who need to be admonished are the leadership of NTCC...not me or anyone else here. We did not commit the crimes and we did not split up families and we did not extort unbelievable sums of money from people to furnish a constant stream of cash to fund our greedy and lusty lifestyle.
TO BE CONTINUED... |
clearwater
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Posted From: 67.183.231.124
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 7:01 pm: |
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TP, point well taken. |
rickards_scott
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Posted From: 69.6.160.98
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 10:35 am: |
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"I can see clearly now the rain is gone"
The way my brother is being treated thru his transition is allowing me to see more clearly!
If anyone on factnet or in ntcc would like to contact me my email address is: scott_rickards@hotmail.com |
bro_derrick
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Posted From: 70.208.111.39
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 2:25 pm: |
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"I am here for the long haul..."
Oh no you don't!
Have you learned NOTHING from your past imprisonment??
We were willing to do the 'long haul' in Davis' work, but NOW we see that Christians do not 'do time', especially not the long haul for Jesus!
There's absolutely nothing hard nor long about Jesus, His way, His service!
The only thing LONG about anything is the world, a long-time comin' home to Jesus, and that long home for the body. (Which is what Davis made out of the ministry of the saints: A long pit, called a ditch (!))
'Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' (Matthew 15:14) |
bro_derrick
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Posted From: 70.208.111.39
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 2:39 pm: |
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Is that Party Line enough?
So, you see NOBODY is allowed to think, act, talk, walk, wright like a CULTIST on this Net!
We thrust with the Sword in order to help bleed out the last itty-bitty drops of that bad-business blood there is (!!) or ob-noxious fumes of posionous air in the lungs... take your pick.
God has and continues to do so with me with the right help of His Word and Mind and Spirit, so, hey, how can I NOT pass it along to others? Hmmm?
You see, I CARE. And I like it, too (Ha!)
And also see, it don't even "Hurt so good..." as wrong-headed ministers would have others think, so that seduced sheepies would take the wrong-corrections, false-doctrines, shaming-insults, and big-pushes...SHEEPISHLY. And like it too!
There's absolutely NOTHING sheepish about Jesus Christ's sheep, but only other men's who act like christs themselves (!)
We come boldly to the Jesus' throne of grace, but they crawl sheepishly to the big-bad-Leader's pulpit chair... (Ha! You KNOW it's true)
I saw Dorsey do it once in conference, and Davis kept applying the screws to him to get him out of his home in Newport. And NOW look at him. A Davis Company Man all the way in it for the LONG HAUL. And Hauling around anyone else he can to get ahead in Davis' Company Business!
Just like Thieman the Company-Man preacher himself: He wants one of those (board) chairs... (Temporarily anyway. Because the permanently assigned ones go to The Family ONLY)
...which means 'WHITES ONLY', because interracial marriage is not allowed in Davis-God's Church. No intermingling of the trees' seed, but only mating after one's own kind! (Or so Kinson taught at Tillicum (Ha!)) |
