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     bro_derrick Senior Member Username: bro_derrick Post Number: 1897 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.216.92.6 |
"I don't want anybody trying to defend me on that Factnet. I don't need no defense! God is my defense!" Davis as reported by Davis followers. 1) Lip-service. C'mon, does ANYONE seriously doubt that Davis loves it when people proclaim his goodness and sing his praises?? 2) Being the master pulpit-politicker that he is, he knows that entering the debate is to lose face right off. He won't appear nor encourage others to do so, untill it become politically expedient for business-sake. (ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he does or does not do is for Jesus' sake...) 3) The real reason he doesn't want any of his loyal followers defending him on Factnet is evident by their posts: THEY KEEP PROVING THE POINT!! They themselves as Davis-lovers more than lovers of God and Jesus are the most acurate proofs of Davis' cultism. (2 Tim 3:2-3) Out of the abundance of their Davis-filled hearts, they just keep speaking of Davis and his rule more than Jesus and His own! Even when they wish to show forth the praises of the saints in Light, they show forth 'Pastor', NOT Jesus (!!!) Cult! Cult! Cult! (Red blinking lights...) "We just had a wonderful fellowship meeting filled with the mighty presence of God. If many of you guys would be honest you would admit that you miss the special blessing of fellowship meeting. But as they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Many of you threw that away and it is too bad because you are missing out. Thank God for the love of the brethren and our Pastor." Dumn: Davis Lover and Loyalist extraordinare... (And folks, this is NOT an extreme version. This is the NORM simply spoken. And they don't even KNOW what's wrong with it, because they no longer even see what's mjissing from it, and thus are losing sight of the Lord Jesus that first bought them (!)) (Jude 1:4) Such Pastor-love creeping in unawares becomes spiritually lascivious to the point of denying the Lord Jesus even a place in the list of their praise, much less the First Place. (Afrer all, Davis was there first, NOT Jesus...) 'Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.' (John 9:41) | ||
| michael_ismyfirstname New member Username: michael_ismyfirstname Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.88.196.184 |
in Davis's defense I think this might be how he came to fruition. First he really loved God, and his word. He really desired to help people come to God. But this eventually became his bane and undoing. He worked himself so hard trying to change people, so that he could bring them to God. He worked himself so hard and for so long that he resented his desire to help people come to God. For the desire caused him to work so hard that he became weak and tired. This gave him much trouble because he needed to remain strong so that he could help the people come to God for that was his desire. He transfered the resentment away from the desire to help people and placed it on the people that refuse to take his helping hand. Once he started resenting those he could not help, his sympathy and compassion for those he could not help were too much of a burden for him. (his rational) Why should he mourn those he can not help. He is trying the best he can. There is no need to feel sorrowful about those stubborn hard hearted people. To have those feelings will cause others to think he is not at peace and has no joy. He must remain charismatic so that he can win people to God. He over emphasized his own power in thinking he could bring the whole world to God, and it was his job to do so because no one else could. This led him to wrongfully think he was dooming people if he did not win them to God. He stopped caring for those without God, because it is too much of a burden for him. The sick and needy become a burden also, (oh and children too). Only the strong in God by his standards are the ones he feels safe in having emotions for. Everyone else becomes a liability to make him feel bad. Pastor doesn't want to feel bad. Pastor does not like people that make him feel bad. Pastor does like feeling good. The only people that make Pastor feel good are his subordinates. So in conclusion I think that Pastor Davis became the way he is through good intentions. But I think there is something more to be said... He is trying the best he can. Maybe the way he currently is, is his best. Maybe what he currently does is his best. And if his best is not good enough, then neither is my best good enough. For I am a man also. God loves me enough to care about me. I believe God cares for Davis too. And because I love and care for God I will follow HIM. This is not easy when I have my own desires trying to lead me. It was not easy for Davis to follow God which is why he needs love and support. We all need help. and if he denies my love and support I must not resent him but feel compassion. Sometimes are worst enemy is ourselves. If that is true for Davis then that Devil he blames so much is indeed himself. | ||
| bro_derrick Senior Member Username: bro_derrick Post Number: 1899 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.216.189.108 |
Mike, Your psychological analysis of Christian goodness and desire to see souls saved, and then frustrations and even resentments in efforts to help others are spot on, so far as I see it also. A proper teaching of just what service to Christ is, and just what He desires for our part in winning souls to him, and just what is the nature of His calling to preach... would free-up many good sheepies from such things. Remember, the devil will do ANYTHING to get the sheep off-balance, out of sorts, and hopefully out of faith. And Yes, everbody likes to feel good and not bad, even when it comes to charitably helping out others, and yes Davis IS DEFINITELY doing the best he can... at a BAD BUSINESS (!) There is a very real difference between the common lot of Christian experience in serving Christ sincerely and risking frustration, resentment, and even persecution as His witness to others, and that of those fewer Davis-types who go out of their way to make a BUSINESS out of it. Which has nothing to do with God's service and everything to do with the devil's mis-service to the saints. Davis has wholly swallowed the lie of the devil (that God never wrote nor said), that Jesus' church and ministry is a business venture in itself. Which bad business is then shoved down the throats of others: to their detriment and to his profit! It is the overt, covert, subvert, and perverted pursuit & practice of such a business mentality in God's ministry that MUST finally destroy the pursuers and pursued alike, except they fully repent. For NO MAN can possibly continue to persist in such things upon God's people without searing his own conscience against God, His written Word, Jesus' faith, and the love of the brethren and neighbors in general. And the final proof of such destructive pursuit is the plain acceptance and promotion of marital dissolution and adulterous remarraige for the sole sake of the builder's success therein: Instead of helping our joy for Jesus' sake, they dominate our faith for their own sake (!) Davis has lost not only his beginning good intentions toward others, but he has also lost his own soul with them... The only 'help' he now has in his heart and gives time for is to show others how to lose their own souls also in their attempts to proselytize, recruit, and push into that same nasty Business of the devil, that Davis so completely exemplifies with every breath he takes (as the song goes...) Which is of course the work of the devil in the church of Christ from the top. And you know what? THERE IS NO TOP of Jesus' church but Jesus Himself! and the devilish, worldly, lordly, and destructive error is that there is such a top for ANY of those among us to rise up too (!) (Acts 30:29-30)(1 Peter 5:3)(Rev 13:1) Davis builds his nest among the stars out of the dried up bones of others, and he teaches others to do likewise... (Obad 1:4)(Habb 2:9) To wit, davis pushes as he is pushed... by the devil. (Ezek 34:21) So it is the leaven of businessizing the ministry that many may err in, but only a few become antichrists by. "Life is a business. The ministry is a business. The church is a business. You have to marry the business to succeed in it!" Davis' Quotes Davis loves and commits to business even more than most in the world do, and because he practices it in God's ministry, it destroys others and himself as well. Davis makes even being of the devil a business! | ||
| michael_ismyfirstname New member Username: michael_ismyfirstname Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.88.196.184 |
There is nothing wrong with having a desire to help people. Don't take on more then you can handle. It could be similar to taking a huge bite of steak and then choking. Is Pastor Davis currently choking? I don't know. If he is choking don't let the desire for success take control of you too. Jesus was offered all the kingdoms of the world by the devil if he would bow down and worship him. Jesus did not bow down and worship him for that success. But don't take my word for it, read it for yourself Matthew chp. 4 vs. 8-10 | ||
| bro_derrick Senior Member Username: bro_derrick Post Number: 1900 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.216.189.108 |
"Many NTCC ministers and their wives realize deep down inside that they are not ministering the Gospel of Jesus but relentlessly pushing a man-made program. They know they have nothing to offer people and are not truly helping anyone, and thus they lack a sense of personal reward and satisfaction in what they do. They realize that life in NTCC is not what they were led to believe it would be and they are trapped. Many of them wear smiles to church but are unfulfilled and emotionally exhausted people who do, in fact, need to get a life." MKLO In conjunction with Mike's observations about sincere efforts and frustrations vs. pushing a business and resentments: Paul exhorts not to grown weary in well-doing. Davis-types must continually work against people being worn out by bad-doing! Olson wrote a message in a Trumpet about how there is no 'burn-out' in Christ, which is true. But there is plenty of it in the devil's substitute program for Christ. By prayer and communion in the Spirit, we do not grow weary in doing well for others' good, but all the prayer and communion and fellowship of Davis' dominion is wasted with a big, fat hole in a really small bag on those who continue to try and work his business yet remain tender, charitable, and sincere Christians for Jesus' sake (!) One or the other MUST win out: either serve others as a pure witness of Jesus' grace and repent of the church-building business, or crucify your tender affections for others recieved from God to succeed in Davis' company. No man can serve two masters, and truly two entirely different masters are over the Father's Business of loving people and the devil's People Business in the ministry. | ||
| michael_ismyfirstname New member Username: michael_ismyfirstname Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.88.196.184 |
thank you derrick. I appreciate the things you added. I just don't know how aware Pastor Davis is of his current situation. Maybe he considers it pushing for God's success rather then thinking he is pushing a business run by the devil. Also, I myself would not call it a business of the devil. I would call it way off course. Maybe that's the devil's way, getting us way of course. It seems to happen over and over. Vigilance and diligence are needed along with the help we receive from God, friends, and family. | ||
| ntcctruth Advanced Member Username: ntcctruth Post Number: 1000 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.102.118.90 |
Hi Michael, Do I know you? Please email me at ntcctruth@yahoo.com Marc Perez |
