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     nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1834 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 24.159.243.95 |
Do we realize our countries founding fathers were more pagan then Christian? Did you know that our capitol city and most of its buildings are based on mystical geography and pagan structures? Our national symbols and art are full of pagan deities! Even George Washington is portrayed as a man turned god in the dome of the Capital Building! Theres even art portraying good old George as Moses! Splitting the sea and receiving the "new" ten commandments in the form of the Declaration of Independence Most all of the signers of the Declaration of the US were free masons who are totally mystical! So is it true that the Christian God is going to smite down the Good Old USofA for its straying from its "Christian Roots"? How could He? Our roots are Pagan to the core! http://www.nobeliefs.com/pagan.htm Check out this video if you have netflix. Its quite an eye opener... National Treasures In God We Trust? Which one???? Maybe a Wiccan Warlock should run for President! Or maybe a Deist! Like Thomas Jefferson! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deist or better yet! Sir Francis Bacon! http://www.sirbacon.org/gallery/fathers.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon | ||
| jodymcgrody Junior Member Username: jodymcgrody Post Number: 47 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 69.19.14.36 |
I wouldn't go so far as to call it "off topic". It may be more on topic than we can even grasp at this point. Keep in mind that the Christianity we've inherited, and that the TwelveTribes has recycled and marketed in a (now dated) clever new package, is nothing like what existed 'back in the day' when the ink was still drying on the apostles gospel letters. I think the truth may have a lot more grit and gristle in it than the pasteurized, homogenized, ultra-refined, nutrient free, genetically modified, soylent green version we've come to love and expect. | ||
| jodymcgrody Junior Member Username: jodymcgrody Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 66.82.9.107 |
Read some of Albert G. Mackey's "Encyclopedia of Freemasonry" if you want to step outside the box and get a wider perspective. A friend of mine loaned an old, as in antique, copy of it to me after I had left the community. I picked it up at his house just to see what it was and pretty much couldn't put it down. The fact that many of our beliefs and traditions are predated by similar ones of earlier cultures doesn't invalidate the inherent truth in them. It just means that behind the cultural copyright there is a truth buried. And that zero-gravity feeling you get when all your beliefs start to evaporate, thats really where your faith should be kicking in. | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2642 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
mackeys encyclopedia symbolism of freemasonry gerald massey is one of the sources for the zeitgeist video. massey works freemasonry in america list of freemasons and on and on it goes. i have over 100 freemason sites bookmarked. they are everywhere. including right down the block from where you live. they probably own most of the small business in your town. they say if you are a freemason your business will never fail. | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1835 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
so guys, do you believe there are certain "mystical powers" available through the mathematics of the Masons? Or the secret power crystals, or secret formulas and books of Atlantis/King Solomons temples hidden stash? Dont forget the Illuminati and the Knights Templar! Good old George was hooked up too! http://www.911omissionreport.com/washington/ Or even Christopher Columbus! Or lets not forget Plato and the Atlantean Crystals!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis Are there secret powers? Do you believe this? Where do they emanate from? How does one obtain them? Are they guarded and handed down? Are they spiritual or physical law, or both? And as Rocky the squirrel said "Are they friendly spirits?" | ||
| jodymcgrody Junior Member Username: jodymcgrody Post Number: 49 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 69.19.14.43 |
Mystical powers through hidden Masonic mathematics. sounds like the title of a book. The only mystical powers I know of available in mathematics is being used by credit card and lending companies. They call it an adjustable rate. I call it getting [bleeped} up the [bleep] without any romance. As for secret powers, yes. I have one I call the SBD. It requires a can of cowboy beans and a lot of garlic powder. To be consumed with at least two bottles of Guinness. Guaranteed to clear out a charismatic church revival in full swing. Just remember, with great power comes great responsibility. | ||
| jodymcgrody Junior Member Username: jodymcgrody Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 69.19.14.25 |
Secret powers: Blood stopping with a bible verse http://www.illinoishistory.com/bloodstopping.html Dowsing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing Neither of these require membership in any organization, secret or otherwise and are fairly common practices in rural areas. | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1837 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
"Just remember, with great power comes great responsibility." Tell that to Yoneq and his cronies. So Jody, do you believe that all Masons have and are under a delusion similar to religion but just a different flavor of kool-aide? BTW Just what are those "buried inherent truths"? | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1838 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
http://skepdic.com/dowsing.html ""Men are probably nearer the central truth in their superstitions than in their science." -Henry David Thoreau Check this out! http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeIV/Powwow.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pow-wow_%28folk_magic%29 | ||
| jodymcgrody Member Username: jodymcgrody Post Number: 51 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 69.19.14.30 |
I wouldn't generalize all religion as delusional. It just makes a great environment for people who want to live out their delusions. The TwelveTribes makes a great example. I was sincere when I was there, not wanting to pretend I believed something when I didn't, and there were others like myself there (we were usually the ones suffering the most). And I still sincerely believe that I was led there as part of my journey. As for the Masons, I really don't know a lot about them. Albert Mackey's encyclopedia is a good source for information on older religions and myths which was what I was primarily interested in. The buried inherent truths would be whatever the real meaning is to those similarities that seem to continue on from culture to culture through out the ages. It seems likely there is some core fundamental truth that is the source for the similarities. | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1839 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
Hold still dammit! Im tryin to nail you down! Are you sure your not a politician? "The buried inherent truths would be whatever the real meaning is to those similarities that seem to continue on from culture to culture through out the ages. It seems likely there is some core fundamental truth that is the source for the similarities." Come on Jody! Be more specific! Examples please???? OH! You used the word "source"!!! Could this be "G-D"??? Abba=source  | ||
| jodymcgrody Member Username: jodymcgrody Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 66.82.9.109 |
Examples, meaning I need to cite sources (which I'm not going to bother to do). The beginning of that Zeitgeist video was a good example. Wait, you've already cited examples so why do I need to provide more? You started this thread with examples. We want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, because something is labeled "pagan", or it turns out there are more than a few mythologies predating Christianity with an almost identical theme. The fact that Christmas and Easter have a foundation that predates Christianity doesn't necessarily lessen their value. It doesn't mean that somebody hoodwinked the world into celebrating something they shouldn't. "I think the truth may have a lot more grit and gristle in it than the pasteurized, homogenized, ultra-refined, nutrient free, genetically modified, soylent green version we've come to love and expect" to quote myself. The fact that the TwelveTribes turned out to be a franchised, hippie-esque, bait-and-switch labor camp using a New Testament theme doesn't invalidate any of my experiences prior to, during, or after my being there. I don't know what constitutes that buried inherent truth, but if the same theme keeps showing up in different cultures through out recorded history then I get the feeling that there's something to it. I don't think the themes were borrowed because they couldn't come up with their own myths. More than likely there were a group of people in each culture who understood what the real truth was/the significance of the story, and it simply didn't matter whether the hero's name was in Sumerian, Egyptian, or Hebrew. Bear in mind that the first church was outlawed the way illegal drugs are outlawed today. Whatever truth they had back then was considered to be that much of a threat to the established order. And so what, suddenly Constantine sees the light? More likely he saw the value in COINTELPRO and just changed the rules of the game. Buried the truth in BS and gave birth to Christianity. "source" isn't a reference to God or G-D, which I assume means Genuine Draft (not my favorite, I prefer straight up High Life). | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1840 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5146289421477001987 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Myth Here are a few things I'm working on myself... "Do not seek the truth, only cease to cherish your opinions." "If you are not able to serve men, how can you serve spirits... If you do not know life, how can you know about death?" and my all time favorite!!! "To know that there is nothing to know, and to grieve that it is so difficult to communicate this "nothing to know" to others..." | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2644 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
life death rebirth Hosea 6 1Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. dying and rising gods scholarship | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2645 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
nice quotes naba. i especially like the last one. do they have an author? | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1841 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
the 2nd is Buddha, the others are anonymous zen proverbs... | ||
| fatherofaking Senior Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 2647 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.255.151.176 |
thanks naba. now i can use them with a clear conscience. | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1842 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.190.117.25 |
The circle of life! "I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat is planted in the soil and dies, it remains alone. But its death will produce many new kernels—a plentiful harvest of new lives." |
