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     majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 155 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 198.250.180.194 |
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..." Now I'm trying to figure out how HH would answer, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" HH would not say the above. They'd have a laundry list of things. Now let's talk about the "greater light" that Howie says Homestead Heritage has. Now, what is the "light"? Is it knowing a lot of stuff? Is it following a lot of man-made rules? Is it hanging out with the proper crowd? Is it obeying your masters? Well, lookie here at what the light is according to John: 6There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might BELIEVE through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. The LIGHT is a person- Jesus Christ. This makes me wonder about light seekers? Is it that hard to find THE LIGHT? Maybe looking for light makes the appearance of really religious people? Do you think that Satan makes a pretty shiny light? He does come off as an angel of light, no? "He who believes in the Son has eternal life..." "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. "How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God? | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2071 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.70.150.117 |
Doubt if HH even knows LIGHT...light and darkness do not mix...I do not call beating children light, I do not call screaming at God's little ones light, I do not call evil light... God is LIGHT and there is no darkness in him much less splitting up families and spreading lies. If they ever once had light it is not there anymore by their deeds all I see now is darkness there | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2072 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.70.150.117 |
Doubt if HH even knows LIGHT...light and darkness do not mix...I do not call beating children light, I do not call screaming at God's little ones light, I do not call evil light... God is LIGHT and there is no darkness in him much less splitting up families and spreading lies. If they ever once had light it is not there anymore by their deeds all I see now is darkness there | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2073 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.70.150.117 |
Doubt if HH even knows LIGHT...light and darkness do not mix...I do not call beating children light, I do not call screaming at God's little ones light, I do not call evil light... God is LIGHT and there is no darkness in him much less splitting up families and spreading lies. If they ever once had light it is not there anymore by their deeds all I see now is darkness there | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 160 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.165.53.40 |
If the Apostle Paul showed up at Homestead Heritage for a service he would not be allowed in. He held to, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved". People, call a spade a spade. HH is undeniably a cult. Worry when a group is always looking for something "deeper". In this case, the deeper means looking heavily at foggy Old Testament passages. | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2079 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
not even Jesus would be welcome without permission.. | ||
| praxaluh Advanced Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 992 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Mrs. Alvear, you are so far from Jesus in your crusade against HH that you have absolutely no place to try to feign concern for Him. We know that utter foolishness is expected from Majaidh, however Mrs. Alvear you would do well to seek to restrain your tongue. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2081 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
I love Jesus more than youcan ever imagine...However HH does not represent HIM or HIS kingdom...I stand for truth and do not cover up evil. | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2082 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
sorry Prax your campaign for a place that belittles people , makes young people wear diapers, screams and shakes fingers in people´s faces does not appeal to me...I saw tooooooooo much, heard tooooooooooooo much....too many people talked to me in confidence... wish it really was inside what I was made to believe it is...I found out for myself... | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2083 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
sorry Prax your campaign for a place that belittles people , makes young people wear diapers, screams and shakes fingers in people´s faces does not appeal to me...I saw tooooooooo much, heard tooooooooooooo much....too many people talked to me in confidence... wish it really was inside what I was made to believe it is...I found out for myself... | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2084 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
sorry Prax your campaign for a place that belittles people , makes young people wear diapers, screams and shakes fingers in people´s faces does not appeal to me...I saw tooooooooo much, heard tooooooooooooo much....too many people talked to me in confidence... wish it really was inside what I was made to believe it is...I found out for myself... | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 162 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.165.53.40 |
Where are the cowardly leadership that won't speak for themselves? They have a guy defend them that doesn't even belong to the group! That fellow won't even answer the Scriptures, nor answer "what is the Gospel"! | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 181 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 198.250.180.194 |
I have literally seen, and that is why I believe. Wouldn't it blow your mind HH reps if you were to find out some old dirtbag like me was speaking the truth all along? This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: "(BJ)LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?" For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE (BL)HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM." …they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God… I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness… He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. ...they began leaving after Paul had spoken one parting word, "The Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers, saying, “GO TO THIS PEOPLE AND SAY, "YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; AND YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE; FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, AND WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES; OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM."' | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1018 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Hi Folks, There is simply no concern that Majajh is speaking the 'truth'. The more astute folks who try to have discussion of the Bible, and of HH, simply bypass the maj posts. Whatever their positions. In fact, maj is a poster-boy for the deficiencies of essentially non-moderated forums. A form of Gresham's Law is in play in such forums. (Bad posts drive out good.) One reason why many folks do not post, and others take a nice breather. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| common_sense Senior Member Username: common_sense Post Number: 1027 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 67.126.236.16 |
 Prax, Did you type that with a straight face? | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2103 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
Sorry prax too many beating have gone on at HH for us to fall for your covering up. Prax do you affirm or deny beating have gone on at HH until blood runs down the backs and legs of people? Do you deny that diapers were put on grown kids? Do you affirm or deny HH lied about the Crow family? Do you affirm or deny HH did not let Roxie Ray travel with us because we questioned their doctrine and practices? Remember they had just told us hours before that the spirit confired she was to go...Strange their Jesus is so undecided... and stranger yet they told me NEVER in HH had a couple divorced... Today,I understand why Roxie Ray was scared to displease them...they were her Jesus in the flesh. | ||
| keepingon New member Username: keepingon Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 24.28.26.67 |
i was in the fellowship (HH) for many years and i never once saw any carnal sins on the part of the elders. its just the means they used to make other people live holy. I can't see any real difference between a person who lives right because he's afraid to get in trouble with the elders and a person who doesn't live right. i know lots of people who just fell to pieces after they left the group...it was the hard discipline that was keeping them together, not their love for God. Blair Adams was always very nice to me and i liked him and all the elders. there are a lot of good Christians in HH but if i could turn back time i never would have joined; too many devastating things happened to me there. I have to take most of the responsibility for those things happening...I didn't have the gumption to leave when I should have. Maybe you on this forum did just fine leaving HH and going to a regular church; I just couldn't. for all HH's faults they seemed to me anyway to be light years ahead of most ordinary churches. you may disagree but that was how i felt. alot, maybe most of my best friends left the fellowship also. Most seem to be struggling to find their way. i feel that one can only get so much millage out of railing against HH. I'm not defending them, i totally disagree with the way they operate, but you can't build a spiritual foundation on the sins of HH. and you can't derive your hope from the hope that HH will crash and burn. God knows all about it all. | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1023 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Hi Folks, Thank you for sharing, keepingon. Maybe in a more friendly forum we would discuss in more depth some of what you share.. "regular church", "light years ahead" "only get so much mileage out of railing against HH" and the intro thoughts. Shalom, Praxaluh praxeus@bigfoot.com | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 183 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
I'm not going to let you off that easily you slippery fellow. You are not a victim. You and Dowen can keep pleading for reasonableness. You can tell us what a beautiful Christian institution Homestead Heritage is, and what a beautiful religion it is, and how much they love Jesus. The Gnostics surely would have said the same thing, and so would the Judaizers. I will say this as plainly as I know how- it is not Christianity, but is "another Gospel". You have a prejudiced point of view because of your personal investment in the place. This is the most insidious cult I've ever seen. It looks like Christianity, but it is not. We sinners are like men with very poor vision. If you put on your Bible glasses it all becomes crystal clear that this is a cult. It has been weighed and found wanting. I've smelled the kevlar long enough to know this is warfare for the souls of people. You can make appeals to play nice, but that is not Biblical when dealing with deviations from the truth. Paul makes this abundantly clear. Do you think the Judaizers thought Paul was unfair to them? There is nothing desirable and advanced in living under The Law of Moses. You want to live under The Law, you'll be judged under The Law. The Truth is not perception; The Truth is right there in black and white. Your refusal to tell us what the Gospel is, and the refusal to answer plain questions about what the Gospel is, only show you are not of The Light of the World, but in fact "another gospel", which, per Paul, not me, said "let him be accursed". | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1024 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Hi Folks, Mrs. Alvear, all those 'causes of offense' above you seek were discussed in depth earlier. You simply pay no attention to anything that isn't part of your inquisition attempts, you filter it out since it has become very important to your pride, ego and 'spiritual' placement to be able to rail against HH. As one example .. events have clearly confirmed that it was indeed wisdom to stay clear from you, that you were very capable of giving yourself over to a dark crusade, to make turning and railing against HH a primary endeavor. Why not take time to ask God whether it is not time .. even late like today .. to move away from this whole misemphasis, this error of the last season, and seek the peace of God that passes all understanding. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2106 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
Prax you ignore facts: tell us about kids being beat thill blood runs down their backs and legs? Tell us if young people were made to put on diapers? Tell us if they lied about the Crow family? just answer these three questions with yes or now is it true did it happen... You would have us to believe that HH is a quite litttle Christian communtiy...yes they are quite because if they talk there is real trouble...We found that out... I will meet with anybody at anytime I think HH is dangerous. | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 184 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 198.250.180.194 |
Prax, I'm changing your name to "Anathema". You are accursed for preacing "another gospel" (which Paul said, not once, but twice). Anathema, I don't want to hear you whine about how bad, or how badly you are treated by this "oppo" when you refused to take me up on my offer to mutually leave this board. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 86 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
I have come on this site with actual testimonies of what happened to me while in HH, and those who want to back such heinous crimes come on this site to heap verbal abuse on all of us who suffered severe losses at the HH elders' hands. Again, you will do well as BA's henchmen. I believe you belong in HH. You should go back and join them since you believe they are such a wonderful church-and that no control goes on there- that they are 'not' lord over those people's lives-according to you. | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1026 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Thank you maj and covered. I consider your calumnies, as two sides of the oppo-coin, truly an honor. Maj's stuff does have a bit of humor, when you understand what it is for a troll to have a soapbox. Covered, this remains the day where you should simply retract the series of untruths you told about Deity, sinlessness and worship. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 186 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
I'm not a troll homey- I help pay for this site. Nice big words you use. I suppose you think yourself quite the smart fellow? | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 88 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
It took me over 2 weeks to attempt to read all of the posts since 2005 on HH. I still have not gotten through reading all of them. Some on this site think that if someone does not post on a regular basis they cannot answer or refuse to answer to more accusations made by people putting up a smokescreen in protecting HH’s image. The truth is Jesus Christ has given me a lot to do on this earth, and this website is only one of them. I would seriously re-consider your statements about those who are truly living for Jesus and have a full life by doing His Will, who cannot post on a daily basis. The ‘revelations’ that the HH elders are ‘Jesus coming to you in the flesh’, that BA has reached the level of perfection, that HW is near that level of perfection were spoken by the posters here long before I even came on this website. THERE IS NOTHING TO RE-TRACT. You are attacking me Prax for one major reason-out of all the posters, I have had a lot of damages done to me that includes physical damages, which makes me very dangerous to HH. What is sickening is that Prax does not care about the testimonies of what HH has done to us-I got out of HH alive. It is not about truth, Jesus Christ, or the love of God. It is about spinning and spinning and more spinning with you. When you stand before the LORD Jesus Christ, there will be no spinning whatsoever. I even posted the testimony of the miracles that Jesus has performed in my life. I requested to hear about your miracles, of which I did not receive a response. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
All the verbal abuse I have already been subjected to on this site by Prax does not change an iota of my testimony. I stopped living for man when I left HH. I will tell you that the testimonies on this site prove that HH has gotten much worse since I left. TH’s testimony about the elders kids slapping young girls as hard as they can, talking about rape; but the girl they had considered doing such a heinous crime to was a virgin, his sister being married off to BA’s son, only to find out that he was flirting with girls in the world up to the time of the marriage. The fact that because they are the HH elders kids they can get away with these sins. Other testimonies regarding the mother in Phoenix and her children, who resorted to suicide after killing her own kids. AND YOU THINK THERE IS NO PROBLEM IN HH; YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE A CITY ON A HILL?! You will know them by their ‘fruits.’ I just referred to posters testimonies on this site, and Prax will attempt to attack me for what? These posters seem to know a lot about HH and I do not doubt their words because I LIVED THROUGH ALL OF THE ABUSE. It is very clear that the HH elders are the ones who is Lord over the people’s lives in HH-many testimonies have already been posted regarding that issue. When the elders had the chance to reveal these ‘revelations’about the medical priesthood; that they have ‘no greater light’ than any other church, they ran and hid for days from the press in Grand Junction CO so to avoid the incident-when the sister nearly bled to death after childbirth and had to be rushed to the hospital. If all that they preach is true and is from God, why are they hiding? I think everyone knows that answer. (Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 16, 2007) (Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 16, 2007) | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1028 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Hi Folks, Covered, some of your post is a bit incoherent. Nonetheless, the main point remains simple. You blatantly spoke falsely, untruths, on the foundational doctrinal views of HH, with the 5-time repeated stuff about believing in a man as Deity and sinless and being worshiped. Instead of retracting those untruths, you simply repeated them in new ways, 'elevating' your words to deliberate and conscious lies. If you can't get something so simple and clear straight, then no words can be trusted. Beyond that your words on the forum are generally difficult to follow. "re-consider your statements about those who are truly living for Jesus and have a full life by doing His Will, who cannot post on a daily basis." And I have no idea what statements you are referring to. Have I ever chastised a person for not posting daily or frequently? God forbid! In fact, I complimented the one oppo who stopped posting, even though his posts were far more fair and balanced than those of the hardened crew that now dominates. Similarly, I must have missed your purported earlier attempt to play 'dueling miracles'. As for maj, a troll is a troll, whether they give $ or not. Technically, we could discuss the nuances between being a troll and being self-absorbed and irrelevant and offering nothing of value. However the discussion would give the troll too much attention. Shalom, Praxaluh (Message edited by praxaluh on December 16, 2007) | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 188 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
I deal with fools and idiots by being a fool and an idiot in your mind. Maybe I should really play the part and help "Covered" with the expenses of suing the pants off your idol? | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 90 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Again, Prax continues to throw his verbal abuse on those who have real testimonies of what happened to them while in HH. It isn't working! I will tell you why the elders agreed to having the sister rushed to the Grand Junction CO hospital. Her BP was dropping into a fiercely low range and death was imminent. If she had died the proscecutor's office would have been required to do a full scale investigation on HH's practices. It was questionable if RA ever even had a license to practice midwifery and more so-we only know that she read midwifery books- the fact that RA's midwifery allowed this woman to bled out and suffer as long as she did would have been brought to the forefront of an investigation. BA could not have his wife in jail - and his doctrines out in the open for the world to see. It is interesting how BA's doctrines coincide with the ways and means to keep the money in his pocket. If everyone in HH went to doctors and invested in health insurance there would be less money in HH's pocket. Several times I heard BA stand up in a Sunday meeting to remind everyone of 'all the money they are saving through having the midwives birth these babies at home.' Keep on spinning Prax. I tell you, there is no spinning on the day when you stand before Jesus Christ. The testimonies stand true regarding the horrors the HH elders brought into the lives of their congregation. You have to attack me because of all the physical damage BA and RA have done to me. I am very dangerous to them right now. Why don't you re-join HH? I seriously believe you belong there. As JS told me years ago, you are going to hell if you don't stay within the confines of HH. Have you receive a special dispensation from BA himself? I would not be surprised if there is another doctrine out there that states BA has these special powers you know...to pardon you in special circumstances to keep you from the fires of hell after you've left HH. How is it that certain 'doctrines' apply to certain people, and not to others? That's right, I forgot- you have to reach a certain 'LEVEL' for all of these doctrines to be revealed... Where is any of this garbage found in Holy Scripture? NO WHERE! I am beginning to believe a post by our sister ML, who truly has given her life to the LORD: 'They are decieved. They do not even know that they are decieved.' (Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 16, 2007) | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
"Similarly, I must have missed your purported earlier attempt to play 'dueling miracles'." What in God's name are you even talking about? I have posted miracles that have actually happened in my own life since I have left HH. It is a simple question, and for once it would be welcomed by the board to hear about all of the miracles that Jesus Christ has brought into your life, instead of your constant bashing of those who have real testimonies regarding the HH elders horrors. The real purpose of FactNet.org is to help those recovering from those horrors many have described about HH. You have turned this website into a spot where the HH elders can actually continue to heap their verbal abuse on us. I seriously thought that the HH elders would take this opportunity to become Christ-like in their mannerism regarding all those they have harmed. Again, they have failed us again. I should not expect so much from a dangerous cult who took my inheritance and then told me to get out-only after they caused physical harm as well! It is quite clear where BA and HW's hearts are at. | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2117 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
When my pastor visited HH he came at my request and remember I was raised in a Pentecostal church and all the Pentecostal rules...however my pastor told me, Janice, this is not what you see on the surface...at that time I was carried away with all the "perfection" they had lead me to believe that existed there. Something very strong rules under the surface he told me...for the first time in my life I doubted his word. Everything seemed so real...so perfect... Then all of a sudden in prayer and fasting people from the inside begin to tell me things...such as " we miss what we were doing for the Lord before coming here.." others said little remarks and suddenly I realized I was caught up blindly in a cult that not even all the members know what level one knows...level two knows something different...level three something different...and on and on... At first it just seemed like a joke but then I realized it was really true...and very scary and services with church doors closed to outsiders, people standing at the gates watching coming and going... YOU are right CBHB someone somehow needs to do something... I am not a coward...I have made a lot of human mistakes in my life and one was being taken in by HH but I am a Christian to confess I was wrong, I was mistaken...and that place is very scary. Do not tell me we have to lie about people that leave our churches. ALL liars will be cast into the lake of fire...I call for HW and others that lied to me about JC and his family to repent. No matter how much you like or do not like JC it is a sin to lie about them...YES, I happen to like them but if I did not like them I still would not lie about them. Prax, why do you take up for leaders that LIE? YOU know this is one of the reasons RT left this board. He may not write here but I do not believe he takes up for HH anymore. It takes courage to write on this board because just the fact that I am oneness I too am called a cult but one thing about it I am a christian enough to admit what I am and not take up for HH because they say they are oneness. I hope on judgment day if I am wrong I will recieve favor and mercy for at least being HONEST. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 92 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Too many have posted on this site to testify of these horrors the HH elders did to us, and what we have witnessed as well. "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1-3 Satan wants us to be at odds about the ways we live our lives-he wants us to start judging one to another about many things, instead of being united in the love we all have for our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ- but I truly believe that this is not what is happening here regarding HH. What they have done to people falls under criminal intent; it is far too serious when deaths occur and physical harm is done because the HH congregation follow their doctrines written by BA. It is not wrong to take a stand against evil, in fact the Holy Scriptures tell us to expose it to the light of Jesus Christ- the Holy Scriptures are there to test everything of whether it is of God or not. You will know them by their 'fruits'... I have read volumnes of testimonies on this website regarding the harm the HH elders have done to people; I have not read anything about the good they have done, except for the testimony that their workmanship is pretty good, and they have really nice fairs for all to enjoy, and the homemade desserts you really have to try when you go. THAT'S IT. Wait a minute, I forgot-we are not allowed on the HH grounds, we have been bannished from them. Where is that in Holy Scripture, when Jesus Christ Himself will leave the 99 for the 1? HH's doctrines are no where to be found in Holy Scripture. HH elders do the complete opposite of what Jesus's words instruct us to do. Holy Scripture is the plumb line by which all will be judged on that Day. | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1030 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Hi Folks, Covered, I notice that you simply ignore the fact that you lied about the foundational views of HH. You would still do well to simply correct that whole group of false accusations. From top to bottom. Everything you wrote about HH viewing a man as Deity, as sinless, to be worshiped was untruth at first, a deliberate and conscious lie when repeated. Why not try to get right with God, retract those lies, apologize to the forum and HH, and then more on. To do so would be honourable and beneficial for yourself as well. ======= Instead, you have discussed a number of health issues. Now I have quickly learned not to trust your words in general, and you can surely share your view of any events. However I will share a bit about health issues in general. ========= Everybody thinks they have a corner on wisdom. One common view, as 'Covered' indicted; one should just go: "to doctors and (be) invested in health insurance" And everything will be so wonderful. Yet, I could tell you tragedy after disaster after stupidity from that route, just among folks I know personally. Right now I will give one example. A very healthy woman, about 60, active, not drug-medicine oriented, whose doctor counseled her into thyroid surgery (no basis) and shortly after she was largely paralyzed. Yet nobody cares. Why ? It was all done by 'doctors' and 'health insurance'. Similarly I see people all around me in the society going to 'doctors' using 'health insurance' (even my dad wonders why they use that misnomer!). They are crippled physically with pills upon pills. Young children are made into druggies, while huge numbers are autistic (separate discussion on causes thereof is possible). The Colorado deranged shooter was being 'treated' by 'doctors' and 'medicine', mind-altering psychotropic drugs, which was likely covered by 'health' insurance. However these folks who 'treat' all the folks who become deranged and crippled are generally not at all accountable .. the statist system gives them protection. They just continue blithely on. My understanding is that even the electroshock plague is returning. And try to check the mortality rates of doctor and hospital induced infection and error in our country some day. Even what is acknowledged. Back in the old days we had one oppo who understood these issues a bit. The fact that HH worked diligently to truly care for their own, from newborns to those with disabilities to the aged and infirmed, was sincerely appreciated (even if many other differences remained). That HH really understood far better than most the tentacles of the modern-day systems of corruption and disease. Are there others who are also diligent in these areas ? Perhaps some, but it is rare. And, sadly, not many churches can be favorably named. Shalom, Praxaluh (Message edited by praxaluh on December 17, 2007) | ||
| common_sense Senior Member Username: common_sense Post Number: 1028 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 68.127.62.179 |
That's $6 for FACTNet, Majajh. (kind of Prax to post in blue to make the counting easier.  ) | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 190 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
Anathema, funny how you rail against the docs, but the cultists will go to them when all is lost. Better living through chemistry. As he once said, "Digestion fine". This is funny. Anathema posts, and FACTnet gets to live on! I'll go right over and make that PayPal donation. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 93 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
There is another part of TH's testimony noted in his many posts that I should also mention-it is very disturbing: TH was among a brother in HH who apparently decided his wife needed some discipline-no reason given- and punched her hard in the chest. TH was then told by the brother that it is OK he treats her in this manner because the marriage is 'ordained of God.' All the word games and spinning in the world cannot change how grossly OUT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT that husband's action was. These are some of the testimonies posted on this site regarding HH that shows how out of the Holy Spirit they really are. In a court of law, what happened to the wife would be classified as domestic abuse. IN HH, it is classified as a husband's authority over his spouse and his home, and is acceptable behavior, as what was told to TH. And you honestly don't believe that there is a very significant and real problem in HH. You will know them by their 'fruits.' (Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 17, 2007) | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 94 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
There is no apology made to HH, these men are ruling over a sick, demented, all controlling cult. Every testimony proves that point over and over again. The HH elders should be apologizing to Jesus Christ for turning His church into a place where they have a licence to sin through man- made doctrines. Every phrase or 'revelation' used on this website was given by other posters who had been in HH recently, who are very aware that there are 'LEVELS', and have the first hand knowledge to speak about BA's more recent 'doctrines.' You spinning is resembling the same way that Satan spins and makes false accusations. He is the accuser of the brethern. All you do is accuse on this site, while we post real testimonies of what actually happened to us; what we have witnessed, and the Holy Scriptures that prove that HH is far from a holy place. Everything I place on this website is Holy Scripture, actual testimonies, and references to many of the posts already placed on this site of what the others have testified; of what they heard and experienced. IT ISN'T WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Through the blood of Jesus Christ the truth is coming out for all to see about the atrocities committed in HH. Attacking me does not change an iota of all of these crimes committed in HH. Every person goes to doctors for different reasons, BUT IT IS THE PERSON WHO SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION, NOT A BODY OF ELDERS- that's where the overwhelming control issue is at in HH. The HH elders decide who lives and who dies there. To allow a sister to bled until she was close to the point of death and then allow her to be rushed to the hospital is sadistic. I was doubled over in pain, and the elders considered that to be 'out of the spirit' because I couldn't work when the pain got that bad. In the meantime, the chances for my ability to conceive were decreasing through HH's contributing to my illness by their doctrines. RA refused to offer ANY remedy whatsoever-so much for what HH offers in the place of modern medicine. Can you explain for your idol Prax why they allow all of the suffering and pain to happen to Christians in HH, and then the elders stoically stand by and watch the person suffer; and some die? You have the audacity to call HH elder's actions the love of God? You do not know the nature of Jesus Christ if you can blatantly back such heinous behaviors. (Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 17, 2007) | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 95 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
From pages 81 & 82 HH literature; “HOW DO YOU KNOW” ....so John gives the church the test to protect each flock from the hostile and murderous spirit of antichrist, warning us not to trust or ''believe'' those who have a spirit that cannot fully and certainly accept the anointing in ''Us,'' who cannot accept the same authority that Jesus possessed as it '' continues to come in our human nature." If they cannot receive the Word that the ministry preaches as indeed it is, the Word of God (1 Thess. 2:13), if they cannot accept as constitutional (apart from their own decision in each situation) that the ministry beseeches them "in Christ's stead'' (2Cor. 5:20, KJV), if they cannot fully and certainly confess that Jesus' anointing continues to come in the flesh, in ''our human nature," in the local expression of the corporate Body of Jesus to which God would join them, but rather they refuse to "listen to us," then they are not to be received into fellowship in the Body. From pg. 106 Eternal life is to know the Father, and the only way to know God as Father and therefore find His living expression is to submit as a child to the expressions of His fatherhood in heaven and on earth… One of the most important answers is the exposure of the hierarchical authority structures men have set up in the name of God. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 96 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
The above stated HH doctrines CLEARLY contradict the Holy Scriptures: No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." Jeremiah 31:33-35 "There is no one righteous, not even one; ROMANS 3:10. “For there is one God and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1TIMOTHY 2:5. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 97 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Testimonies provided by past posters: TH: Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 10:50 am: ________________________________________ PH, One thing that might help you understand what Blair is saying is when he refers to true Christianity he is referring to HH doctrine and only HH doctrine. You read it as most would, not seeing any problem at all, because you think of yourself included in Christianity, not artificial. You read it as making a covenant with God, but in reality he means a covenant with Christ's tangible Body here on earth, and not as a whole but as I showed in Blair's own writing in one of my other posts, that a relationship with God is abstract and leads to fornication, it must be brought down to a personal human level and when it is all boiled down the way you have a true relationship with God (according to Blair) is through him. (Blair Adams). | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 98 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Another post by FH on 7/24/05 concerning the above HH literature: ‘Now THEY on the other hand, or should I say BA, (because the other "theys" are under BA's authority,) is not his own God when he sits under no authority except God's direct leading. He is not his own God for doing so, but he is God in your life. If you can not accept this then you are the Anti Christ. If you ever leave you are in grave danger. ’Now why did it take a whole book to prove this? Certainly, if God meant this to be so, and if this is so necessary for salvation, then we would find it clearly spelled out all in one place in at least one of the New testament books. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 99 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Here is a post/testimony by WAAS, Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 9:34 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I don’t get time to post much. Work and family keep me busy. Another first hand observation. During a Sunday meeting, Blair Adams was teaching from the literature. He was going over the writings of Kant and Jung. He was becoming visibly upset as he went on because nobody seemed to understand what he was talking about. He ranted and raved about our attitude towards the literature, that we didn’t care about it and hadn’t been reading it. Yes, ranted and raved is an appropriate assessment, as he yelled, screamed, stomped his feet and pounded the podium. This went on for some time (at least 20 minutes), and if my memory serves me correctly, it ended the meeting. Now, it can be argued that it was just righteous anger, as I’ve seen other preachers do much the same when preaching. However, he wasn’t railing against sin, he was deriding us for not reading this particular piece of his literature. I left the meeting feeling like a whipped puppy. In this meeting were the “plurality of elders”, group leaders and all the Sunday status people. Everybody was included in this rebuke. And since it was coming from “Jesus still coming to you in the flesh” we all accepted it as the word of God. None of the “plurality of elders”, group leaders or men or women of the congregation questioned him. I have no problem being rebuked by those in authority over me when I deserve it. It is part of their function. My problem with this particular episode is that the literature being taught from hadn’t been distributed to the congregation. I’m pretty sure that the group leaders hadn’t even seen it. We were all being rebuked for not reading something that we never had. Yet, nobody had the courage to stand up and tell Blair Adams that very important point. Furthermore, there was never an apology." | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
HOW IS IT THAT NO ONE IN THAT MEETING QUESTIONED WHY THE HOLY SCRIPTURES WERE NOT BEING DISCUSSED INSTEAD? | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Please note, apparently I am finding that the rape did actually occur at the hands of an elder’s son: (Copied and pasted) from TH: Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 5:19 pm: ________________________________________ While I agree that not a day goes by that I don't miss my friends and loved ones in Homestead Heritage, I have to argue one thing. It took me a long time to be able to swallow and accept the fact that the men that I trusted as moral men because on the surface they lead what appeared to be moral lives, really were not. I make this statement based upon a number of FACTS. First, pertaining to child beatings, I have seen with my own eyes the holes in the walls and shattered ceiling light fixtures from HW chasing his children while beating them. I have heard BA stand and say that he spanked his seven-week-old baby! I have heard him teach that a baby is never to young to spank! GK covered and hid a member of HH from the law who was having incest with his 7 year old daughter. Then lied and said he didn't know it was wrong to keep it hidden,,,,,, after BD turned himself in and was sentenced to 8 years in prison, case # 04-7273. Didn't know? He's an Ex-cop! GL told me a certain girl had come to him many times claiming her mother was abusing her, but he took the word of the mother that she wasn't! One of the Elders told me his daughter was raped by another leaders son. The story went that one of Blair's sons didn't want to take the girls virginity, so he had one of the other leaders kid's rape her. Who got in trouble? The Girl did because "she put herself in the position to be raped". One Elders son had sex with a 14-year-old girl! Did her father do anything about it? No! Why? Because it was an elders son. Another girl was sexually assaulted by an Elders son, but when the parents began to make a big deal they were told it was God's will for the two to marry and so they were married against the girl's and her WHOLE families wishes. Believe me, I could go on all day long, but I dare not. The more I open this box of filth that I try to keep tucked away in my mind, the madder I get. I firmly believe that BA, HW, TY, GL, JS, GK and a few others to be immoral men based upon the fact that they hide ghastly sins and pass the blame on to the victim. To me they are as guilty as the perpetrators. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 102 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. Matthew 7:14-16 | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 103 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 1:33 pm: BY TH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CS, The final physical straw, was the time that I talked about in my first post, when my pastor called me out in front of 100 +/- people in HH, screaming and yelling, he prophesied that today was my day, over and over and over. Every eye in the place was on him as he stormed over to where I was. The whole place went into a frenzy of frantic chanting prayer, as I was hauled outside the building by two of the pastors. Where the one who had been yelling at me, laid down face to the ground and began begging God to spare my life and not to strike me down. At this point in my life I had begun to have a real relationship with God, I knew what he was speaking to me, and I was not going to let the fear tactics of a man change what I heard from God. I knelt down picked him up and told him that God was speaking to me. After sharing my heart, he apologized and said he moved in his flesh sometimes when he wanted someone to respond who didn't seem to be submitting to his word, which he assured me was the word of the Lord. After hugging me and laughing a bit he sent me to pray for a young man that I didn't even know up a the very front of the meeting. This really upset me because I knew it appeared that this pastor had in the power of the Spirit, brought the word of God that had "Softened" me into submission. I knew that the pastor would never tell the people that his whole prophesy was his flesh, they still saw a powerful, infallible priest. This act broke my final tread of trust in, "Jesus Christ come in the flesh" as HH perceives it. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 2:46 pm: From TH's journal: Sep 13, 1998 My life is changing completely, I have been under the microscope for weeks now and the Lord (Elders) has brought many things to light in my life that I had no idea were there like, I have been possessed by two spirits, Tamuz and Ishtar, I found out that I have had a baby killing nature, The brothers told me that it is a blood thirsty spirit and longed for blood and guts and abortion was his modern alter, he must have blood. Wow , I thought I loved kids, I'm glad to be getting rid of that spirit. But they also told me I had the Spirit of Tamuz that wanted to have sex with my mom, and kill my dad? Ok , like I said, I sure didn't know that those things were in me, I guess I was just blind. They have also said that these spirits were ruining my life, and controlling me, that's why I had questioned them about my relationship with Ange, they said I had been pushing my relationship with Ange forward in the flesh, and now I was paying the price for my selfishness . (End quote) "And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." ACTS 2:38. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 1 John 4:3-5 Remember those Holy Scriptures? I am convinced these HH elders have lost all comprehension of what is truly HOLY, their salvation, and their knowledge of HIM who died on the cross at Calvary. (Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 17, 2007) (Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 17, 2007) | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 193 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
I was thinking to myself, "Am I just some old meanie?" I mean, I'm picking on people as pure as the wind driven snow! How dare I think one of my old friends at HH "wasn't home" when I talked to him? Then I read this mind-blowing stuff and think, ya know, if I was still in Texas, I'd make a big sign and park my vehicle by their entrance that said, "Cult entrance" with an arrow. I'm so mad about what these kooks have done to my old home group members, and the willingness of these people to let goofballs screw up their brains I could scream! Well, I have applied my war paint. | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2118 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
I had an e mail from an ex HH member yesterday. The person does not want to write on FN but told me the TRUTH would be told if this person has to stand one day before a judge... HH should be very careful but I think they have lost all sense of being careful...I would say they are running scared. If they push the wrong person too much they will be brought out in the open and Prax will see how many will testify under oath about beatings and many horrible things that boarder on criminal charges…Some things I hear will be criminal charges… Prax will you still defend them when it is proven HH is not some peaceful village but rather a village of fear and dread? | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 8:59 pm: By RB; ________________________________________ Very good point, general, and true. I remember meetings in which leaders stood on the platform and insisted, "WE are from God, and whoever knows God listens to US." Period. No room for debate: either confess that Christ continues to come in human flesh through the words and commands of US, the leadership of this body, or acknowledge, according to 2 John 1:7, that you are the spirit of antichrist. Constitution of Koinonia Membership page 40 “You acknowledge by signing this Constitution that you hold to the Holy Bible as interpreted by the Spirit moving THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE CHANNELS OF LEADERSHIP as your ‘curriculum,’ your course of faith, supplemented and more precisely defined and expounded by the interpretation given by the Spirit AND RECORDED IN Salvation Is of the Jews; Hallelu Yah; The Garden of God; Covenant Love; The Temple; The Bedrock; The laws of Consistency; The Foundations of the Temple Series, Volumes 1, 2 and 3; The Order of Perfection; The Service of the Temple; The Narrow Gate; Koinonia Covenant Confession; Who Owns the Children?; Wisdom’s Children; Building Christian Character; Beyond Violence; Beyond Pacifism; Culture as Spiritual War Series; Knowledge as Spiritual War Series; Justice Is Fallen; the Koinonia Curriculum and others that might be added in the future THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE CHANNELS OF THE LEADERSHIP per the above, including various specific position and conviction papers, such as those on home birth and home education.” (End quote) So I am to believe the Holy Bible ONLY THROUGH THE INTERPRETATION OF THE LEADERSHIP BY ALL OF THESE WRITINGS!!! | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 108 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 8:59 pm: By RB; continued, These men who rule HH with Christ’s authority claim they are the “appropriate channels of leadership.” They want new members to affirm that they believe the Bible the it is taught “by the Holy Spirit moving through the appropriate channels of leadership… supplemented and more precisely defined and expounded…” through the literature written by Blair Adams. These men have taken the authority of Christ. They have taken the place of Christ and they have written new scripture superior to the Bible. The abused of authority seen in the testimonies of former members give evidence the validity of applying the above contract to this group. Let the inquirer into Homestead Heritage be aware. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 109 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 6:53 pm: By RP; the following is taken from ,On authority and submission which is a Heritage Ministries position paper: Because Peter did come to believe and could by Gods grace submit to the fact that God Himself had come in human flesh,he could hear the words from the Son of Man and accept them as the authoritative Word of God. It was Peter who confessed,"Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life.We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God" Here he confessed that the authority of God that brings"eternal life" was resident in the weakness of human flesh. As it is written,How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!.Gods annointed Body now has once again placed its "feet" on earth in human flesh, and it is to these feet we must now bow down to truly cofess Jesus' Lordship,that "JESUS HAS COME IN THE FLESH" Can we then confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and humble ourselves to submit to His present earthly expression of authority that confronts us face to face in the Body of believers who reflect His glory. and Every on of us must seek the tangible temple of God,that expression of His Body He would join us to.When we confront this expression of His authority in the flesh, we must be able to answer the same question Jesus, speaking about His individual humanity,asked Peter;only now the question refers to Jesus'corporatehumanity: WHO DO YOU SAY WE ARE?} | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 110 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Continued post; From pages 81 & 82 HH literature; “HOW DO YOU KNOW” ....so John gives the church the test to protect each flock from the hostile and murderous spirit of antichrist, warning us not to trust or ''believe'' those who have a spirit that cannot fully and certainly accept the anointing in ''US,'' who cannot accept the same authority that Jesus possessed as it '' CONTINUES TO COME IN OUR HUMAN NATURE." If they cannot receive the Word that the ministry preaches as indeed it is, the Word of God (1 Thess. 2:13), if they cannot accept as constitutional (apart from their own decision in each situation) that the ministry beseeches them "in Christ's stead'' (2Cor. 5:20, KJV), if they cannot fully and certainly confess that Jesus' anointing CONTINUES TO COME IN THE FLESH, in ''OUR HUMAN NATURE," in the local expression of the corporate Body of Jesus to which God would join them, but rather they refuse to "LISTEN TO US," then they are not to be received into fellowship in the Body. From pg. 106 Eternal life is to know the Father, and the only way to know God as Father and therefore find His living expression is to submit as a child to the expressions of His fatherhood in heaven AND ON EARTH… One of the most important answers is the exposure of the hierarchical authority structures MEN HAVE SET UP IN THE NAME OF GOD. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 111 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
You have the audacity to want an apology for this?! You resemble the Deceiver well, for you always knew this HH literature exists. Prax’s posts demonstrate just how far the HH elders will lie to cover up the fact that THEY rule over the souls living in HH-not Jesus Christ. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 1:15 pm: By TH; Quote by Blair Adams from the pulpit right before he stormed out of a meeting that had JUST begun. "No more will you see my face till you can say blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord" ( referring to himself ) Over the next week the whole church (HH) was punished and had to pray through as to why we did not have the proper attitude towards our "Father"(Blair), and were told their would be no more church wide meetings until we could all say blessed is He that comes in the name, (or authority) of Jesus. But oops, the temper tantrum had gotten out of control and was alarming the people to the true nature of their "Father" and so we had a meeting the next week, where Blair said it had all been a misunderstanding. But the damage had been done, a member still stood up shaking and quaking, and wailed out that "Our Father has spoken, our Father has spoken" Matthew 23:9 - And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 114 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 7:57 am: By IF; This is exactly what the group I was in taught. And I'll you what the beginning of freedom was for me. The group also taught that whatever you knew of the Lord you should leave at the door when you come in. (Because you "probably" couldn't have heard the Lord before you heard them! They had the sense to add a probably, but that probably has become fainter and fainter over the years.) They teach that if what you knew before was really the Lord it will be restored and if it wasn't, it's best to get rid of it. Sounds good, so that's what I did for the 10 years I visited and for the first several months that I lived there. But then the Lord began to bring to my mind the precious things He had done in my heart and in my life BEFORE I ever heard of that group. And He showed me very clearly that abandoning those things dishonored Him. So I told the leader what the Lord showed me, but I don't think I was clear on it. Later I told his wife and this time I was very clear. It never occurred to me that they would push what THEY said over what the LORD said. (Of course, to be fair, they were SURE it couldn't be the Lord because they didn't hear it. A nice, neat circular reasoning, huh?) But once I began to turn once more to the Lord I KNEW in my heart, I found that I was turning more and more away from the their doctrines of men. And finally I couldn't stay any longer because it meant separating myself from my precious Lord. It was very frightening and traumatic to leave because I kept remembering the things I'd learned there and how much they taught that we couldn't possibly hear the Lord except through them. But I knew I HAD heard the Lord many times before I had ever heard of the group, so whenever I remembered what staying really meant, I was strengthened. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 3:03 am: By UG; Did you read the literature while you were in HH or were to young at the time? Maybe it (doctrine of HH saying that the leadership is Jesus come in the flesh) came from the Devil himself? VD HH does not try to hide this doctrine it is one of their cornerstone doctrines and what holds HH together. As long as the members believe that what comes out of BA and the other Elders is Jesus come in the flesh they have to obey it. If the leadership ever allowed someone to have a different opinion from HH patterns everything would start to unravel and there would be questions. Now the answer top members in HH is simple Blair said that settles it. When Blair speaks that is it. If you do not believe that just try to stay in the fellowship if you disagree about anything that has been decreed as the Word of God (or Jesus come in the flesh). | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 116 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 7:06 am: By FH; In HH you have been taught that anytime you disagree with their authority it is your flesh refusing to submit to authority, so not only do you neglect looking for confirmation but you will also reject your conscience and the leading of the Holy Spirit even if it screams in your heart "don't do it." You will excuse the pleading of the Holy Spirit as if it were your flesh. HH teaches that you can not even hear God except through the "the propper form," their authority. If you were in HH and your leader had disagreed with what your wife told you, who would you choose to listen to? The point is you wouldn’t have a choice. In HH they are your head not your wife. (Yes you would have a choice to break covenant and leave the church then do as your wife said, but if you believed they were your authority and that your salvation was tied to the submission to that authority, I doubt you would even consider that option.) The HH doctrine is not just saying the leaders are the spirit of Jesus ministering to you. They say they are Jesus and have all the authority in your life that Jesus should have. They use verses that say you shouldn't doubt God to mean you should doubt them. They teach if you don't accept what they say you are in rebellion to God, because they are Jesus in the flesh. They teach if you don't accept them; believe they are the "son of god" come in the flesh you can't be saved and you are the anti-christ. They have taken the seat of Jesus in everything. When you read your Bible and see the word Jesus you might as well think of them. This in fact, is what I had involuntarily started doing after having been indoctrinated by there literature. Their literature teaches that the "name" of Jesus means the authority of Jesus and that they are that authority. To this day every time I read my Bible and I see phrase "name of Jesus" my mind goes to them. God has given all authority to Jesus including the authority to judge men and they teach that they can do this judging. (See the doctrine and how do you know threads.) Theses men teach you to practice self-abasement. They tell you to do what they say so you can crucify your flesh. Work all day and night. Do this, do that. You must press in and stretch until you break your "flesh", bringing it into submission. You are laying down your lives for things that will perish! None of this is going to make you rightous or pure. It isn't going to accomplish the will of God in your life or the lives of those in your family. In the mean time are your wives raising your children without you? Do you really know your sons and do they know you? Do you use the few minutes you see them only to discipline them? Do you have time to love your wife as you should and could she be so busy that she has no real energy left for you and your relationship? Is the "kingdom of God" is getting built? HH gets bigger and better. More buildings, better gardens, literature and crafts. It is all so beautiful. It looks so perfect. All the laws to keep it looking that way are in place. The apearance of it all is so clean. Are you tired? | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 117 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Jesus said: Mat. 11:28-30"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 118 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 12:47 am: By UG; The difference is, in HH literature and many personal testimonies from former members will verify that HH believes BA is God come in the flesh period! When BA speaks concerning the church (in HH) it is the inerrant, unadulterated Word of God...Jesus come in the flesh. BA’s words are not questioned or judged. If you do question the word that comes forth from BA, HW, GL, JS or any other elder, you will have to immediately repent, leave or you will be disfellowshiped. All believers should desire God to use flesh and blood people to speak in the spirit to us but that is very different from saying that the person speaking to you is Jesus come in the flesh and everything he or she says is the Word of God. When authority is "power postured" or "lorded" over you, you automatically expect what is said to be from Jesus and you don't even look for a confirmation of the Holy Spirit or your conscience. Your mind does not even say, "Is this coming from Jesus?" | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 197 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 198.250.180.194 |
Didn't David Koresh believe that he had the authority of the Messiah? Wasn't he within short driving distance of HH? Could it POSSIBLY be that there is a principality or power (demon) that is over that geographical area? What you are saying is mind boggling! I can't believe that any man would be so Caspar Milquetoast to let another man bulldog him this way! | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2126 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
sad shape HH is in...men thinking they are Jesus in the flesh...too much authority has ruined them... | ||
| h75 Intermediate Member Username: h75 Post Number: 104 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
Matthew 25:31-46 (New International Version) "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Added……..The folks at HH who will be on the left will say,” But Lord, they were but a bucket with holes. Why try to fill a bucket with holes?” | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1035 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Hi Folks, There is a thread or two from a few months or a year ago where the verses in the Johannine epistles with "Jesus come in the flesh" are discussed, with studies around those verses. (And I also was involved in discussion on those issues on at least one other forum.) Personally I studied the HH literature on this quite carefully, and looked at the various commentaries. And while there are a few overlapping and differentiated themes of historical Christian exegesis, HH definitely makes a solid case for their Biblical understanding and interpretation. The discussion is quite fascinating as it goes into a wide range of historical interpretation and also involves the unusual tense construction in the Greek. Although the basic understanding is fine in the English. Do not, however, expect much from the oppos on such issues and discussions :-). Other than confusion and rant. (One oppo who left the forum possibly excepted.) Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 204 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
May I humbly say, "Shut up"? You don't know the Bible worth a hoot, or you just ignore it. You ignored the "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" post, didn't you? You love to pick and choose what you address. | ||
| h75 Intermediate Member Username: h75 Post Number: 105 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
Matthew 25:31-46 (New International Version) "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Added……..The folks at HH who will be on the left will say,” But Lord, they were but a bucket with holes. Why try to fill a bucket with holes?” | ||
| h75 Intermediate Member Username: h75 Post Number: 106 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
There you go again Steven, calling people names and trying to discount their testimonies. Well your attempt to twist the facts and hide the truth with your spinning falls flat. The folks in HH know your words are without merit. Most folks can see through your attempts to veil the group. You, like Daniel, further our goal to expose the atrocities of HH when you post. You are the quintessence of the HH leaders. You twist and spin and point that all are wrong and you are correct. Won’t work dude. You’re still shooting blanks. It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious. | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2127 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
lol I have read it all when Prax says " HH definitely makes a solid case for their Biblical understanding and interpretation" (Jesus in the flesh doctrine) Please someone send him money to get from NY to texas to live with Jesus... | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 205 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 198.250.180.194 |
I am thankful there's nobody in the military with his thought processes. I'd go plum apey. | ||
| common_sense Senior Member Username: common_sense Post Number: 1032 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 68.125.174.169 |
May I humbly say, "Shut up"? Thanks, Maj, that made my day! (Message edited by common sense on December 21, 2007) | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 210 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
Over time I'm picking up some things. HH leadership gives the appearance of hunting pheasants. If you go into a cornfield without a dog, the pheasants will run here and there rather than fly. When they panic, up they go, and "bam" they are shot down. The dog we need,in this story, is what? Truth, experiences, Bible, the media, lawsuits. Another thought- do you notice the emphasis put on the "Holy Spirit"? The HS tells them what to do, what the future holds, what to believe, or the validity of their leadership and direction. The so-called "leading" of the HS takes priority of simple Scripture. So, if the HS says Homestead Heritage has the "greater light", well, that trumps the Bible in their minds. Total reliance on the Bible for the Word of God to us seems only to be for Evangelicals and Fundamentalists, who don't have "the baptism", and can't hear from God otherwise. Sort of like how the Mormons believe the Bible, but really don't read it much, because their reliance is on their books. I recall a lie from a past friend at HH told to me years ago. I asked, "Why is it all the women wear their hair up?" The guy said, "The women decided that's how they want to wear their hair". Stinkin' half truth lie! I'm starting to think Anathema has a lying, deceiving spirit. How else can a professed "Christian" TOTALLY ignore the Bible and the experiences of people? | ||
| praxaluh Senior Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 1036 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.218.80 |
Thanks majidh. It is a little extra assurance before God when you rant, as I am touched even more by the Spirit of holiness : Psalm 62:6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved. Thanks, again. An excellent way walking in faith, loving God's truth, to begin a new week ! Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 212 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
You don't need faith, you just need your obedience and good works to keep God happy. God's truth is how many acres now? Thank you for the easy $6 to Factnet. I'm thinking about the cost of a full page ad in the Waco Tribune? Maybe that will be the next project I'll allow you to contribute to/take credit for? (No, I'm not joking.) | ||
| missionary_lady Senior Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 2132 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
Holiness? does Prax really know what holiness is? What about clean hands and a pure heart? Wonder if Prax knows it is WRONG to lie???? You can look like a monk or a nun but that is not holiness...Holiness comes from the inside, the fruit of the spirit, attitudes like Christ. Holiness is not deceiving others or lording over God´s people. | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 213 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
so you feel like you're holy? You really are a nutcase buddy. Is that $6 to Factnet today? I think you posted twice. | ||
| coveredbyhisblood Intermediate Member Username: coveredbyhisblood Post Number: 128 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 67.83.90.230 |
Merry Christmas everyone- | ||
| majajh Intermediate Member Username: majajh Post Number: 214 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.92.210 |
Merry Christmas to you too. It sure doesn't feel like Christmas at 80 degrees and no kids here. | ||
| a_sister_of_yours Junior Member Username: a_sister_of_yours Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.220.6.226 |
How is what HH preaches about the authority of Blaire different from the legalism and papal infallibility of the catholic church (that so many members of HH left in disillusionment)? Those of you in HH who monitor this board, can you answer this question for me? Don't you see that your church has become that very thing that you left? asoy |
