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gcc_1981_grad
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Username: gcc_1981_grad
Post Number: 91
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.52.182.74
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 8:31 am: | 
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If the abused at GCC are a discontented small group, why is it necessary for members of Anglican Diocese and former staff, parents and students of Grenville Christian College to arm themselves with arbitrary and irresponsible rules which will only prevent an opportunity to raise social awareness on abuse? |
2003grad
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Username: 2003grad
Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 64.26.169.113
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 9:37 am: |
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I'm not sure what you mean... what arbitrary and irresponsible rules? |
2003grad
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Username: 2003grad
Post Number: 8
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 64.26.169.113
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 10:18 am: |
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I'm not sure what you mean... what arbitrary and irresponsible rules? |
gcc_1981_grad
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Username: gcc_1981_grad
Post Number: 92
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.51.137.19
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:07 am: |
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what are the benefit's of preventing validation for those who were abused by pitying the staff and their current financial situation? |
2003grad
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Username: 2003grad
Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 64.26.169.113
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:25 pm: |
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I don't see how they are pitying the staff, they put their investigation on hold as advised by their lawyers so that the finding of the church investigation couldn't sway any legal proceedings. That being said, I agree that whatever validation people are looking for should not be denied to them. However I also feel that IF the staff were brainwashed into thinking that what they were doing, the way they were 'teaching' the word of god, was right, then they are to be pitied. Father Farnsworth has still not admitted any guilt and I believe this is because he genuinely doesn't think he did anything wrong. Now I'm not saying that excuses what he allegedly did, but in the law you have to have two elements to a crime... the acteus reus, or guilty act, and the mens rea, or guilty mind. You can argue that without the guilty mind... without the desire to commit the crime, you cannot punish as severely. I think FF's actions speak very loudly right now, he really doesn't think he did anything wrong. Now if that is really the case, that he genuinely believes he never did anything wrong, and the allegations are true, then I think he deserves to be pitied. What he allegedly did was wrong and you and I can see that, but if he has been brainwashed by the church to the extent that he doesn't believe it is wrong, then I for one definitely pity him. I had the highest regard for FF for years and I am going back and forth between denial that someone I respect so much could ever have done things like that, anger that someone I respected so much was a fraud to me, and sadness... pity that he has been hoodwinked by religion to that extent. That is the main reason I do not believe in organised religion. It can make people do horrendous things in the name of religion because someone told them it was 'god's will'.
Sorry, I think I may have gone off on a rant. I guess my point in short form is that I do agree with you, validation shoudl be granted to those who seek it, but do you not think that maybe the staff do deserve some pity? Altho that pity should not be allowed to negate what they allegedly did, or to 'let them off the hook' so to speak. |
quietgrl
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Username: quietgrl
Post Number: 47
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.193.90.64
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 7:32 pm: |
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I think that allowing people to use " I was brainwashed" as a defense is a dangerous and slippery slope. People made choices to participate or sit on the sidelines. Those that actively participated obviously should be held more accountable...
However, those that sat and watched have a responsibility too...
I sincerely hope that those who have seen the errors in their ways.. will come forward and validate the experiences of those that were abused. They were witness to the events that unfolded... I would hope that those who were "brainwashed" and now know it was wrong.. will stand up and speak out... if they are still brainwashed..... I hope that they are reading the experiences posted here and really thinking about how this could possibly be the work of "god". |
endless_night
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Username: endless_night
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 12.217.208.195
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 7:56 pm: |
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He knows full well the resault of his actions.
He knew then that he was Wrong, he knows now.
The Anglican Church had nothing to do with what happened there, other than ordaining him. To what extent that makes them culpable I do not know, nor does it matter to me. He abused his role of "sheppard of the flock at GCC" as much as he abused the religion he claimed to follow.
the only pity he deserves is that of a man so lost in his own self righteous arrogance he cannot admit he was wrong. Deep in his heart he knows the truth but his pride will never allow him to acknowledge it to others.
I, for one, forgive him for what took place under his rule. Do not misunderstand me, he must, and will ultimately answer for his actions in court or another. For my own spirit however, I cannot hold on to the bitterness and anger towards him I have carried for so long.
I hope I am in err, and that some day he will confess. Perhaps he will see the light as did Saul on the road to Demascus. |
cryfreedom
Intermediate Member
Username: cryfreedom
Post Number: 173
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 24.226.27.60
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 8:38 pm: |
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WELL SAID "endless_night"!!! YES,he DOES KNOW what he did and he damn well knows it was wrong. I will NOT fall for the "well if that happened then I am sorry", or the other one "I don't remember that, but....". For him to just admit to the things he did and make an apology would mean so much to many of us. Is there a hope in hell?? |
endless_night
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Username: endless_night
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 12.217.208.195
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 9:36 pm: |
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for US there was cryfreedom...
for him???? |
quietgrl
Junior Member
Username: quietgrl
Post Number: 50
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 207.81.133.5
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 8:24 pm: |
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Cry Freedom: you forgot a great one "I did not know about the abuse... but if I had known... I would have stopped it."
He knew.... we know he knew... we watched ... |