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     the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 729 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.229.6.252 |
We made it to a motel for a couple days rest. Will post more later. Got to read some first. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 753 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.247.133.165 |
Hope you get some rest tatm. You haven't missed much anyway. Same old chit. Stayed at a hobo camp yet? If I don't get my mortgage rate fixed, you might find me at one. I'll be the one mumbling in tongues under my breath about why my giving didn't produce the hundred fold return  . | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 732 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.229.6.252 |
Mr. Xman3 Quoting: "I'll be the one mumbling in tongues under my breath . . . " End quote. . . . are found on the street corners, most are retards. No, I did not slight the mentally ill. There is a state quasi-federal . . . quasi-federal state (Maybe Mr. MCMSTAFF78 can put that in the right context.). It is state employees giving out federal checks to (I don't know what they are.). Most that I have met are black males and divorced ugly white women. They keep the drug (alcohol and narcotics) businesses operating in the black. Just walk into their office and play pentecostal. Instanted they will knows youse is retarded. They will give you a check, a place to live, and medication for your faked infantile gibberish. (hehehehe) I see your echo has started an argument on free will. I look forward to your defense. I have several questions that need an answer. I will post shortly. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 757 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.247.133.165 |
Uh, how big is the check? | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 737 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.229.6.252 |
Mr. Xman3: The agency here in Georgia is called New Horizons. We (us taxpayers) put these folks up in a hotel ($700 or $800 a month). The hotel provides two meals a day, the third is catered. A neighbor of mine works at the Salvation Army. He buys $100 check made out to Walmart for 20 bucks. He carries ten or fifteen in his pocket at any one time. His wife uses them to buy groceries every week. They get around four hundred bucks in cash every two weeks. A CNA comes to their rooms every day to assist with personal hygiene and to clean their rooms. All medical bills are paid by us. The requirements to get in must not be too stiff. One lady, I know, is a retired NYPD officer (Captain, no less). I don't know what NY pays to retirees, but I bet it is pretty good. Sounds like a good deal to me. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 762 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.247.133.165 |
Me too. I'm coming to Georgia! | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 740 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.229.6.252 |
Mr. Xman3 Speaking of your cater cousin, he stated in one of his post (under pentecostalism, I think?) don't knock it until you tried it (speaking of faked infantile gibberish). I did not have to jump off the Empire State Building to know it was not healthy! So why would I want to try something that is not even in the Bible? | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 763 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.247.133.165 |
Well tatam, I don't know who my "cater cousin" is, or for that matter what the heck a cater cousin even is, but I'm with you there. I say don't try it until you knock it if you want. I guess I'm less interested in convincing anyone else to speak in tongues as I am in hearing what those who are opposed to speaking in tongues have as their reasons, and challenging them to see how thier view holds up to my view in a discussion for me personally now. Whatever anyone else's tongues is, I can't say. I can say I don't think mine is "faked infantile gibberish". | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 743 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.229.6.252 |
Mr. Xman Cater cousin: Noun 1. an intimate friend Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary. Are you ready for some of your echos' arguments? Plagiarism . . . Are you up to that one? | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1853 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
Xman, consider the following from SkepticWiki: There can be little doubt that someone in the throes of glossolalia is having an experience which they find genuinely inexplicable because they are not consciously thinking out the stream of syllables which pour from their tongue. In an interview with the linguist William Samarin, one preacher commented: “I could go on forever: it's just like drumming”. A skeptic would suggest that glossolalia should be classed with such other phenomena as dowsing and the ouija board, where the participant is impressed by effects he himself is producing unconsciously, and ascribes this to some outside agency. This is supported by linguistic research on glossolalia. In the first place we may note that it is usually acquired gradually, as though by practice, which would not be the case if this were a miraculous gift. The September 1968 issue of the Journal of the American Science Affliation states:
Moreover, the unknown tongue bears a consistent relationship to the native tongue of the glossolaliac. An informal review amongst linguist turned up the following general finding:
The repetitive quality and reduced scope of glossolalia certainly tells against it being language. The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language (ed. David Crystal) notes:
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| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1854 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
It should be noted also that those who claim to be inspired to interpret speech in tongues do not give remotely consistent results, and do not interpret the same speech the same way twice. Professor William Samarin, a linguist at the University of Toronto, conducted an extensive study of glossolalia worldwide, and concluded:
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| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 766 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.247.133.165 |
That is some pretty persuasive stuff from a linguistic perspective to be sure. I believe a lot of people who pray in tongues may very well demonstrate that stuff. Maybe me. I don't know. When I first prayed in tongues, on the day I was saved, I prayed in tongues and sang in tongues for over 2 hours. I had never heard once in my life one could sing in tongues. It was completely spontaneous. It was also the most beautiful distinguishable language I'd ever heard. It has always been different than others, and frankly, everyone who hears it is quite interested in what is different. Of course I'm a fairly smart guy and i did have a year of French in High School so maybe I'm just better subconciously at formulating a certain sounding tongue. I just fall back on the weak argument that my tongues are unique, and I can only defend them, and the premise that tongues are from the Holy Spirit and therefor available to anyone who has Him. That pretty much leaves scripture, and my experience because I really can't speak for anyone else specifically or rather as individuals as I sometimes am skeptical myself, and I don't know about or really care too much about that Parnum nut or some of that history. I've weighed the arguments so far, and there are too many unanswered questions with tatm's so they are not persuasive. You've prersented better stuff so far I think, and it's food for thought and more, but it has not been enough to convince me my practice is wrong. Who knows. Maybe part of me is afraid to find out that tongues might not be as presented. All I know is i read all of the posts and consider what has been said. So far, I haven't felt the discussion has ever progressed around here to a point where I have had to really argue my case or use any scripture. I'm not a complete bible dummy and I have what I think are good reasons for believing as I do, but things usually get bogged down before there is any comparison or discussion as to how I view any scripture versus how tatm, for instance views it. That sammarin thing really is interesting. Reading it once after years of believing as I do, I'm sure you understand I'm not going to look at it and go Wow, I really have been wrong all this time after all. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 771 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.247.153.172 |
tatm: Are you ready for some of your echos' arguments? Plagiarism . . . Are you up to that one? I still am unsure who my "echo" is. I can't speak for anyone but me for the most part though. Plagiarism seems easy to tackle though. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 745 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
Mr. MCMSTAFF78 You posted the investigation of some religionists on another thread. Your jocund post appears to be aimed exclusively at those you hate. Is there any chance you would include the pope's finances in this investigation? What, may I ask, is the difference in the millions spend by his religion on luxurious vacation villas and pope mobiles, and the excesses of pentecostals? In fact, outside the United States, you will not find one of his parishioners who lives at or near the lavish lifestye of the lowest priest. Just curious. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 746 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
Mr. XMAN3 Plagiarism . . . Are you up to that one? No really debate on the subject, just fair warning. Did you know Jimmy Swaggart has turned over a new leave? In one of the post, under 'tongues' someone (perhaps Mr. MCMSTAFF78) mentioned plagiarization by some of your religionist. I, also, pointed out word for word cut/paste by your echo. Let us look at the word for a second and give fair warning. Do you know the meaning of "public domain," "intellectual property," or "copyrighted material?" "Intellectual property" is anything you write or even speak for that matter. Court systems have placed very few restrictions on what is or is not "intellectual property." You can literally write down three words or notes and claim them as your song, and the courts will agree. Most corporations require employees to waver your right to intellectual property as a condition of employment. Colleges, universaties, and the federal goverment are included in wavering most rights to intellectual property. Your post on this board are considered intellectual property. Public domain is the realm embracing property rights that belong to the community at large, are unprotected by copyright or patent, and are subject to appropriation by anyone. Your post, for example, on this website are in public domain. In other words, I or anyone else can cut/paste your words as our own without your permission. On the flip side of that coin, when I post scripture to this board, I always attribute the article to its owners (i.e. KJV). The KJV, itself, is in public domain, but not all versions. Dake's (KJV), for example, is copyrighted. If you quote your religion's Bible, you must give the source. Here is another problem. Let us say that you post an article from your religion's Bible on this website. I cut/paste it again without proper attributes. We both may be guilty of plagiarism. Just because an article is posted to this website does not exclude its copyright/patent protection. "How great thou art . . ." ever heard that great hymn? (http://members.tripod.com/~Synergy_2/lyrics/howgrt.html) Careful how you use those words! That hymn is copyrighted! You must use the proper attributes when using excerpts (in part or whole) from that hymn. Virtually all Christian writings are in public domain. I have not met a preacher who copyrights/patents his sermons. Most Christian commentaries, dictionaries and the like are in public domain. Bibles, such as the NIV, are copyrighted. The owners expect to be paid for its use. Check the price of Bibles sometime. The NIV general runs $10 higher that a simular KJV. The extra cost is royalities for the owners of that Bible. Virtually all writings by your religion, on the other hand, are copyrighted/patented. Repeating words from your preacher's Sunday sermon could put you in jail. All of that to say, that like someone else said, your religion is heavily steeped in plagiarism. Virtually everyone of your religion's authors are guilty of plagiarism. Jimmy Swaggart (SP ?) . . . ? Swaggart lost a civil trial for plagiarizing Finis Jennings Dake. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1857 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
ATM, I will respond to you if you answer three questions: 1) With what group are you credentialed as a "minister"? 2) To what "statement of faith" or creed do you adhere? ("The scriptures" or some other such answer will be deemed non-responsive.) 3) Why do insist on asking me about the RCC and/or the Pope and/or Papal practices, especially after I have repeatedly informed you that I am neither RCC nor interested in researching their practices? | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1859 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
Actually, ATM, what you describe above as plagiarism probably falls under the "fair use" exceptions. From Title 17 of the US Copyright law:
Certainly, any quotation here could well be considered in the context of "comment" and/or "research". Also, even if it did not, the citation of a verse of scripture from a copyrighted translation would not be plagiarism, but would be copyright infringement. "Plagiarism" is the practice of claiming, or implying, original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement. (I.e. what I would be doing if I claimed the previous definition was mine rather than cited from Wikipedia. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 750 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
Mr. MCMSTAFF78: Thank you for answering my question. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1860 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
Doesn't it make you wonder about certain people whose posts are nearly always both cryptic and condescending and can never give a straight answer? TATM, you demonstrate with almost every post you write why no one here should take you seriously. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 753 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
Mr. MCMSTAFF78: Quite the contra, my friend. I knew you could not deal with the question. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 754 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
Mr. Xman3: Allow me to tell you about my trip out back. On the first Friday, we were hit with nine inches of rain. I have often wondered how it is that rain makes a person so wet. You can get into the shower fully dresser and stay drier than being exposed to a light rain. We traveled to New Orleans during the night arriving early Saturday. Late Saturday evening, we were approached by several men wearing nice suits. We were invited to breakfast the next morning at the local Episcopal church. On Sunday morning in a drizzling rain, we were shown to the back door of the church. We were given a book to sign. After signing in, we were given a paper plate with a rubbery fried egg and a piece of stale toast. They left us standing in the rain to eat. I was told they did not allow homeless people inside their church. One day I want to go back with a suit on to see if they let me inside. The best chow is at the Salvation Army. The Roman church brought a can of Via-any Weenie to us on the street. Then the rain ran us out of New Orleans. Be back with more later. | ||
| matt_hatter Senior Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 4290 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.214.93.12 |
78, there are a certain group of posters on factnet who all fall into the same category. They cannot get along with anyone, post in a strange manner, have certain obsessive compulsive habits, etc. In my business, we call it personality disorder. I hope this is cryptic enough not to implicate anyone, however, if the shoe fits...  | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 755 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
M(r)(s). matt_hatter: Thank you for the kind words  | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1861 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 167.193.134.61 |
Mattie, you're correct. They are legends in their own mind, though never either as smart or clever as they think they are. Like little men with large automobiles, their incessant efforts to demonstrate their supposed superiority are really futile attempts to mask underlying feelings of inferiority, inadequacy and mental (or physical) deficiencies. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 759 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
Let see, shall we? Test time. 1. 85 of his last one hundred post have been ad hominem. 2. 16 times he has been asked to name his religion, his answer has been silence. 3. He gave me &**^%^&*&^% for quoting a document in public domain (Fox's Book of Martyrs) without iding the source. Here, he makes the argument of "fair use." If you guess all three answers are one and the same, congras!! If, you guess it was not me, go to the front of the class and give yourself an "A". | ||
| matt_hatter Senior Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 4293 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.214.93.12 |
Tatm, blow the hobo bugle call, it is time for you and your merry band to hit the road. Even Mr. Patell at the Motel 6 must be tired of sharing the reservations computer with you. It is no secret to ANYONE but you that MCM78 is a member of the Eastern Orthodox faith. You, on the other hand, have been asked on numerous occasions to identify the 'school' of your D.D. Because you refuse, one immediately has suspicions that it is some diploma mill, or simply made up. Once again, you accuse someone of the very thing that you are guilty. Next step: you will write factnet and say that meanies are picking on you. Truly disturbing. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 760 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
M(r)(s). matt_hatter: hehehehehehe | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Intermediate Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 301 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.64.222.20 |
"certain people whose posts are nearly always both cryptic and condescending and can never give a straight answer" I would like to think that I am not condescending, but two out of three ain't bad  ... At this time, I am tremendously more concerned when certain posters talk smack about soft, pampered professional football teams located in the midwest and don't acknowledge that they've gotten WAXED two weeks straight!! | ||
| matt_hatter Senior Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 4295 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.226.180.3 |
You are the coolest WoFer I know.  | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Intermediate Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 302 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.64.222.20 |
And as a WOFer... I must say that I am in agreement with that confession!! | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1862 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
T(not)ATM - I didn't know you cared so much! I'm touched!!! | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1703 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.229.201 |
You know factnet needs to put up a Christmas tree for us. That is what we need to get wof off the board. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 3875 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.85.119.3 |
tatm... one more time ... all i want for CHRISTmas is for you to identify by name what church you are afiliated with and dont come out with that silly notion you are afraid the pentecostals may find you. also tell where you got your ordainaion, by name now not just a made up thin of self ordianation, and also where you got your doctorate by name also please and my CHRISTmas WILL BE COMPLETE |
