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     baloneydude New member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.254.162.142 |
hey george is this what you were talking about? i googled the statement and his name, and this is a partial copy of what a guy said in an article blog etc. is he full of baloney? I disagree with Carman on many points, but he does embody a little of what’s best about American Christianity. His songs and writings advocate a personal, loving relationship with a god of grace who, in Carman’s words, “saves, delivers, and heals.” He realizes that Biblical scholarship and polite academic theologizing get you only so far, and so he strives to transform his life, and the lives of his audience, through direct relationship with Jesus. Essentially, he wants from Jesus what I want from art (and Jesus). He comes very close to advocating what Depeche Mode analyzed, a little facilely, as “your own personal Jesus, someone to hear your prayers, someone who cares.” If you’re literary critic Harold Bloom, you refer to this tendency more positively as “American gnosticism.” Of course, Carman would recoil at being called a gnostic, and he’d be right. Mostly he’s a fundamentalist, what Bloom calls “a parody of gnosticism,” and Carman is more reductive in his scriptural analyses than Depeche Mode could dream of being. It’s one thing to give your love for Jesus priority over your understanding of the Bible; Carman tends to avoid understanding the Bible, lest it not support the beliefs he espouses. He’s got an annoying tendency of justifying sweeping moral statements with isolated Biblical passages that have no business supporting his claims. For instance, in his book Raising the Standard, Carman proposes, “If you expose your mind and heart to a constant stream of sex, violence and cursing, you will eventually begin to act the same way.” That’s a big, controversial claim, backed up not statistically or anecdotally but psalmically: “David wrote in the psalms, ‘I will walk in my house with blameless heart. I will set before my eyes no vile thing.’ (Psalm 101:2-3).” From this Carman concludes, “The first step to moral purity in your body is to deal with your heart. And one of the first steps to doing that is to make a ‘covenant with your eyes’ (Job 31:1). You have to determine that you will not expose your heart, mind and spirit to those things that are an abomination to the Lord.” Set aside the question of whether Carman’s proposition--essentially, “garbage in, garbage out”--is true or not. Instead, look at how he uses Hebrew scripture. Though he says, “David wrote in the psalms,” Carman, like many fundamentalists, reads the Bible as One Big Book, Written By God. Carman essentially reads this psalm and Job’s words as words to emulate, commands from great authorities speaking on God’s behalf. Job and David were blameless heroes of faith who recognized this eternal truth: looking at bad stuff leads to a sinful heart and dirty deeds. So if both David and Job advocate keeping your eyes pure--well, doesn’t that prove Carman’s “garbage in, garbage out” claim. so carman doesn't believe that anymore apparently based on his condo channels array. | ||
| baloneydude New member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.254.162.142 |
here's another one from a blog that trys to discern good influence in art/music/media from bad. someone quoted carman. probably before his condo was available for lease. Post #: 3 RE: What is wrong with Ozzy Osbourne? - 9/9/2007 6:27:56 AM Cobyone Posts: 158 Joined: 3/19/2007 Status: offline I was a big Black Sabbath fan myself. I adored Tony Ilommy. I can name a lot reasons why I don't listen to them anymore. They worship the devil. His number 666 is on the cover of the album: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (What's in a name b.t.w.). You can here it in the lyrics (they didn't need backmasking). Tony said himself that when he played 'something' ( ) took over. As far as I know they were the first that started with the handsign for (worshipping) the devil ('..'). I was there in when they played in Amsterdam. I have seen everything with my own eyes. I knew every song they made with Ozzy. I only liked Ronny James Dio when he was with Ritchy Blackmore's Rainbow. Just remember: What goes in, comes out. Carman said it nicely n.l.: Garbage in, garbage out.. <message> | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 161 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.151.26 |
Do you know what dude means? Actually it means donkey's penis, so I don't understand why all u Americano's use it, unless, of course you like being a donkey's penis. Then baloneydude is a mixture between a donkey and a pig. (Message edited by Giulia on October 28, 2007) | ||
| baloneydude New member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.254.148.29 |
classy girl. edifying woman. mouth piece for the Lord. baloney! so do you want to attack my wife's name also? | ||
| baloneydude New member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.254.148.29 |
guila means- garbage in/garbage out? if you want to attack "astounding" george for saying carmano-let him receive your "ministry". what's with the Americano crack? what would Austraila be without America? diggeridoos and kangaroos? what's your ring title-"Bossie Aussie". would you feel more powerful and satisfied if you told everyone what fannypack means where you "operate". thank you for your genitalia commentary and if you order the 500 pay channels that carman has at his strange little condo, or if you stay there, you can see things like that on his 50 inch plasma. size matters. so do words, the content of your heart and the impact you have upon others. directed at anyone from carman to carle. always a joy to see your name on a thread Bossie Aussie. if people like you are the primary readers here, then we are losing interest in posting. what else is there to say really? as though this will make a difference in carman's way of doing things, his influence and his psychic thoughts and anonimosity, self righteousness, compromise, deceit, manipulations, ego mania, self pity, self, hidden meaness, cult leader mentality and way of controlling his ministry, co-depencies, lusts, charm, addictive qualities, darkness, ill will, pandering, misuse of authority and resources, greed, italiano mentality, false authority, lying, hating, being a trickster and blinding not only himself, but pastors and ministers, woman problems, mother problems, control problems, marital problems, celebrity fantasy and entitlement, denial, denial and then of course there is denial. why cont? God will. carman will have to- because God will. oh baloney!!! | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 162 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.151.26 |
"would you feel more powerful and satisfied if you told everyone what fannypack means where you "operate"." so you think it's right to accuse me of being foul then do the same thing you accuse of? It's truth, don't you like truth? Came from you, I shed some light on it, educating, no garbage, just truth.I guess it makes you feel a tad foolish? Especially in light of the fact you pride yourself on your sharp intelligence, why an intelligent, "christian" (I use small letter because I doubt you are a Christian at all in light of your vicious words) person use dude for a name when it describes a donkey genetalia has got me beat! Unless of course you are ignorant of it's meaning and just use it because you have some notion that it is perhaps cool to use? And I knew you would post to defend yourself,because you are guilty of the very thing you accuse of, only you do it in a more subtle way, much like the pharisees of old. What you have in your heart comes out in your speech and what you speak are accusations. You are certainly not correcting anyone in love, neither are you warning anyone in love. (Message edited by Giulia on October 28, 2007) | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 163 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.151.26 |
Seems you spend much of your days on here looking for dirt on Carman, frankly that shows your mentality. Seems like you and George have mucho unforgiveness that you are unable or unwilling to release. This is dangerous for your soul. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 164 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.151.26 |
Attacking my country is also indicative of where you're at, type of spirit that would start a war, when you think about it. As if America were any better than Australia, as if you can even compare such a thing, or even want to, if you are Christian and your home is, in fact in heaven. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 165 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.151.26 |
Attacking my country is also indicative of where you're at, type of spirit that would start a war, when you think about it. As if America (also a stolen land) were any better than Australia, as if you can even compare such a thing, or even want to, if you are Christian and your home is in fact in heaven. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 166 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.151.26 |
Attacking my country is also indicative of where you're at, type of spirit that would start a war, when you think about it. As if America (also a stolen land) were any better than Australia, as if you can even compare such a thing, or even want to, if you are Christian and your home is in fact in heaven. | ||
| baloneydude New member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.254.148.29 |
yawn. America helped Australia become the great and interesting country it is from the form of government to commerce. i am not "dissing" Down Under, i'm dissing your attitude demeanor and crassy beligerence. all lands are conquered and re-conquered and when you hear of wrong things done to innocent indians, think again. yes there were deeply wrong things done to some peaceful, shocked, exploited and destroyed tribes by violent men. there is no excuse for the injustice and the losses.there are ministries doing restoration in that kind of thing also. on the other hand some tribes were merciless brutal terrorizing and did unspeakable things to innocent settlers and other tribes. scalping was horrific, burying in holes in the ground with just heads above being eaten by birds of prey, baked in the searing sun and bitten repeatedly by insects unable to move. the indians...not innocent by a long long shot. so whatever you are thinking of, who knows. apparently you are often in the mood to fight. try being a vegetarian and taking some anger management classes? | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 167 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.151.26 |
Please excuse my absence, very busy. Okay so what is crassy? The fact I bring light to the names you choose to call yourself? "would you feel more powerful and satisfied if you told everyone what fannypack means where you "operate". " I gather this word means either bottom or female genitals? Not sure because we don't use that word here down under. and what is this? ohh so it's okay for you is it? If being crass means finding the truth then by all means call me crassy. Fact is "dude" means donkeys penis. Another fact is: I am not calling you names, nor putting you down, just interpreting obscure (obscure to many Americans as no one seems to know what it means) truth, you however, not sure what you are saying about "where I operate" but I know you're not telling me you love me and I know you're not saying I am cool or hot or anything like that. I even know this "fannypack" word is not a nice word to associate a fellow Christian with. Okay dude! You want to be called Dude, so be it Dude! Shall I give you some hand sign? Tell me which one because I don't want to be operating from fannypack. (Message edited by Giulia on October 31, 2007) (Message edited by Giulia on October 31, 2007) | ||
| j2theperson Senior Member Username: j2theperson Post Number: 1010 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.27.68.96 |
For the record, there is absolutely no evidence that the word "dude" refers to a donkey's penis or has any similar meaning. The origin of the word is uncertain. It was popularized by American cowboys during the 19th century who used it in reference to well dressed, eastern, city-people who went out west for vacation. Some people speculate that the word originated in a German dialect in which it meant, roughly "fool". So, no worries, BaloneyDude. You're not a porky donkey shlong.   | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 317 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.169.106.220 |
J2theperson: Thank you for your post # 1010 above. Excellent! After reading Giulias thoughts on "Dude" and your thoughts on "Dude" I now know why they call it the land down under. _________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ Girls from the paid-chat site: How are things going for you? Having any success finding out who the posters really are on FactNet? I might be able to help you. Let me know. Question to one of the girls from the paid-chat site: Were you satisfied with the answer that C gave you when you questioned him about some of the things he had on his MySpace site? Zebra | ||
| missykwan New member Username: missykwan Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 75.118.55.162 |
ZEBRA: Question to one of the girls from the paid-chat site: Were you satisfied with the answer that C gave you when you questioned him about some of the things he had on his MySpace site? MISSY: I missed this. What was his answer? | ||
| nikita Intermediate Member Username: nikita Post Number: 449 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.29.64.120 |
ok.....I'm sorry..but to all you Carman fans. GET A GRIP! WHAT IS YOUR DEAL???? I mean, he's "ok" looking ...but he's not THAT great! I guess if your into the slick Italian look...Geezzzz if you want to see some really good looking guys....I'm sorry but the paster at our local, community church is much much better looking.. and I might add...a little younger looking. Even though he is around the same age as Carman. BUT....SO WHAT!!! Get control of yourselves ladies!!! What is with all the lust? ...and please DON'T say its not about lust...come on!! Maybe you should pray that God brings a (really) handsome man of your own into your life if you don't have one or...if you do.. maybe you should concentrate on him, and look at all of the good things about HIM. Or......maybe you should start to worship JESUS instead of the almighty Carman! Lets see...if Jesus came back and started a website..would you be there?? Oh and by the way ..would he have a paid chat site??? I must say though..you are all very entertaining. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 168 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
what does your paster paste? Just out of curiosity. | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 318 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.133.100.188 |
Missykwan: To answer your question in your above post # 8, please allow me to first give a bit of background before I answer. The four major players of the paid-chat site are V, Crafty, Di, and 3J. These four spend a great deal of time in their fantasy worlds. They speak often of their "hero" and they do not appreciate anyone who has any questions concerning their "hero". When C opened his MS site they were thrilled to death. Those who did not have a MS site immediately opened one. They had a ball at first but soon they found that their "hero" was spending more time with other people. This really upset some of them especially when the "other people" were females. Soon they found themselves not getting the attention they wanted. They began to look closer at those who were being allowed on C's MS site. It didn't take them long to find all sorts of problems with his MS site but they would not dare question their idol. Some even left their MS site but later returned. One of the girls from the paid-chat site send C an email wanting to know why C would allow such things to be on his site. He responded to her with a basic answer of "that's how I do things, get over it". She wasn't satisfied with that answer but she threw her convictions out the window. This was her hero and what could she do. The girls talked it over and they, more or less, decided that they could do very little to change the sitution. They felt that this could come back to haunt C but they couldn't change him. To sum it up I would say that C told them to "take a hike". Zebra | ||
| missykwan New member Username: missykwan Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 75.118.55.162 |
ZEBRA...Who is Oksana that people talk about? Is she that blonde girl who leaves comments on Momma Nancy's page? Is that the same chick? | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 320 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.162.156.71 |
Missykwan: I know very little of this Oksana. However, I do know that the girls from the paid-chat site are extremely jealous of her and her MS site. They frequently speak of her when they're communicating with one another. They constantly make comments about her physical attributes. Perhaps part of this is due to the fact that most of the girls from the paid-chat site are over weight and Oksana is not. However, it goes much deeper than that. They feel that O is stealing their man from them and they can't allow that. Some even suspect that she and C are working together. They are very jealous of her and they feel that she is using C and that C is the totally innocent party in the relationship. Of course, the girls from the paid-chat site are jealous of any female who might be getting more attention than they are. I have heard that Oksana is from Russia and the girls want her sent back there. The girls from the paid-chat site always give C the benefit of the doubt on all things. They never publicly blame him for anything that happens. Yet, underneath all the make-up, they are beside themselves with what he is doing. They are very upset but they would never confront him on anything. Sorry I couldn't help you more. Zebra | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 321 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.134.33.252 |
Missykwan: In your post # 6, under another topic on this venue, you typed the word Crappy. Was this a typo or did you refer to Crafty as Crappy and if so why? I am curious about that. Crafty is one of the girls from the paid-chat site who said she had some information on MM. Of course, she never revealed any of that information. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what makes her tick. Perhaps you have some facts of interest for me. Thanks again. I look forward to hearing from you. Zebra | ||
| missykwan New member Username: missykwan Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 75.118.55.162 |
ZEBRA...Yes I used Crappy on purpose. Anywhere 3J or Vada are, Crappy is not far behind | ||
| carle Member Username: carle Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 172.130.92.6 |
Z-bra & Missykwan oh zebra you make me laugh so much...apparently you don't know the secret, you just think you do. You better do an upgrade on your research capabilities. You are failing miserably. I'm a little shocked zebra...and all this time I thought you were resourceful. At first I thought I had something to worry about, now I just worry for you. One of the girls from the paid-chat site | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 322 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.132.35.228 |
Carle: I'm very pleased that you are able to laugh so much. Laughter can be good medicine. I'm even more pleased that you have responded. Did the other girls from the paid-chat site give you the green light for your posting on this venue? Please try not to worry too much, either for yourself or for me. Worry is a sign of the lack of faith and trust in our Creator. Resourceful-"Able to use the means at one's disposal to meet situations effectively." Conviction will often cause a person to strike out toward others. Zebra | ||
| revelation New member Username: revelation Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 97.96.182.25 |
He is not called into Hollywood or is suppose to be on TBN. His calling is in churchs & Outreach. The Holyspirit keeps showing him... but Carman keeps going his own way, "off the deep end" as someone said who knows him very well. He operates in fear not faith which makes him count on people (women) not God. The Holyspirit keeps trying to guide him but He allows his flesh to rule which keeps him off track. The "chatroom", "Oskana" and many other things have been birthed out of the flesh, which need to go. He has been in the Wilderness for many years which has been very painful. He must surrender his will to the Lord's which only than will God start to rebuild & restore. In his heart he knows this will be very painful because he will have to give up trusting "Self" This process will bring much loss in the natural & he knows it, but God will start to rebuild and restore and bless him in this area of church's & Outreach, after he surrenders and moves out of the way of going from one thing to another, He will have more than enough, after and ONLY after he dies to his flesh.. Then God will bring him his right mate and start blessing without so must pain, confusion & heartache. Please don't be so hard on your Brother pray for him this is about his soul and destiny, and Satan has him blinded with the lust for beauty, fame & fortune (the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life). His heart is set on the wrong things. Carman don't be afraid God will not give you a stone, (something bad).. do you really believe that God can give you good things? Why don't you move out of the way and allow God to be God.. let him show you. Be Still stop MOVING in your flesh! | ||
| carle Member Username: carle Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 172.162.99.198 |
revelation How dare you say what Carman was called to do. You are jealous of him because he's doing something you will never be called to do. He has done more to lift people out of sin than anyone I know. So what if he has a few women on the side. Isn't that what God made them for? As far as the chatroom is concerned that is none of your business. The girls of the chatroom are very religious. We have supported Carman for a long time and we will continue to support him. Get over it... Carman doesn't have to repent of anything because he hasn't done nothing wrong. So what if he is very handsome...God made him that way. If I want him to be my eye candy I will it's none of your business. Carle | ||
| revelation New member Username: revelation Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 97.96.182.25 |
Get behind me satan. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 169 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
Actually Revelation, that is the most spot on thing I have ever heard you say, spot on for all as well because unless a seed falls to the ground, new life will not come. This is not a revelation about talent or money or beauty. It is about true life through the Holy Spirit. True life which quickens the soul and takes it out of misery and darkness, true life which brings hope and happiness, true life which brings joy out of misery. True life in which there is no fear, only love.  | ||
| revelation New member Username: revelation Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 97.96.182.25 |
NO FEAR, only love. Amen. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 170 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
You know the guy has certainly got his work cut out for him, have you heard his pastor? He fully justifies the flesh and it's passions. He (his pastor and him) needs a few days in a dungeon with a real Christian! | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 171 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
Yeah, I know I'm in the bad books. Sweet, I like it when it's me against the world cause then the Lord gives me strength! I got a message telling me I am too old for Carman and my bosoms are too small  I won't even come back to that one, just suffice to say I beat up 29 y.o. women and men in the ring every week, and if I had big bosoms I would have to tie them up when I run and they would sag when I get old or breast fed . Carnal, hey? I know there is a good man out there for me, just not sure where to find him. I know many women out there want Carman, know many of them have bigger bosoms than me and if they are lame enough to take Mark as a pastor go for it, not this black duck, neither could I go under TBN. BTW everyone, I will be a grandmother of three any day now  God has blessed me | ||
| baloneydude New member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 12.153.73.132 |
guilia, would you expound on that? what lust or passions of the flesh does mark promote or allow? i'm serious. can you not fight with me and be a help? no baloney? too much information on the breast thing. congrats on being a grandmother. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
He once said (quite recently) that "the Arm of the Lord is within us". This type of preaching discourages any dependecy on the Lord and encourages complete self dependency. That's just one of the comments I have heard him say. Scince then I totally turned off when I happened to hear him on TBN (I do sometimes tune in,but mostly I am saddened and disgusted with the preaching on there). He knows and he has said himself that there has been not enough emphasis on the Spiritual and too much on the material and I am sure he would even agree the whole church is following the same trend. Many preachers are being encouraged to focus on carnal things, like talents, money and toys and the preaching accomodates all of this. The power has gone from the church, Mark is one of the preachers who has been persuaded to preach in this manner to keep the flesh happy.I am sure it is not fully intentional but it is obvious to me. Equating talent (in the bible) with favour of God is another thing he has done with musicians and with artists. Moses couldn't even speak properly and his power came from the fact he had to rely on God to do that. Too much emphasis is placed on systems or ways which to make you look as though you are being favoured by God, you know the fruit, and the actual watering of the tree gets neglected and the fruit,as a consequence, is rotten because it is of the flesh and not the Spirit. The OT gets quoted a lot. Fact is how can we desire to have what our heart wants and at the same time be in God's will (as Psalms says) when our heart is deceitful and wicked? Many people in the church are not even born again, yet are getting pumped with "you are great", "you are Holy" all this which does not pertain to ones who have not been born again, even those who have, need to be reminded that the devil is prowling around trying to devour anyone he can and often he does this through the ego, even as he tried with Jesus in the wilderness. The shame of the cross gets avoided and instead the pride of life gets pumped even by quotes of scripture. Paula W is a prime example lifting the individual up and motivating them towards action (motivated by self and not God, cultivating ambition through own will). It is tied in with scripture fabulously so totally seems like it is being preached through Holy intentions, yet it serves to lift the self up, not Christ and you will notice, once again, most of the preaching is from the OT. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 173 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
Then Steve Munster says he recently walked in a car yard and he reckons he walks in there like he can afford it and when the salesman asks which car he want he says "I want all of them" and "I know one day I will be able to afford it, Amen?" and everyone screams "amen, right on whoooaaahhhh". Obvious lust and this is the boast; as the bible says "their shame is their boast" | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 174 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
"Believe in the God, you better get in the now and every person who gets in the now should go to the phone, NOW and be a part of what God is doing" Yeah like TBN owns God and His blessing, yeah right on  "Get the divine connection and get on the phone" Yeah right, like money can activate the favour of God | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 12.153.73.132 |
there are concerns about doctrines overall on TBN. paul crouch senior allowed a muslim to praise allah and praise the blessed holy name of mohammed, and provide a koran definition of who Jesus is. he just smiled and agreed and tried to make the platform that islam and Christianity are not all that different. he didn't seem to be on the regular programming after that for quite sometime. they have "prophets" on the programs that teach things like Manifest Sons of Destiny and sinless Christians in an elite grouping of God's chosen. other strange and extra Biblical, new agey things. try telling them and see just how Christian they are! that's why DayStar is so much better. when carman was doing his movie with them, we recall a bombardment of kim clement and others "prophesying" to go to the movie for Christian movies sake and a forceful effort almost coersive in nature and really overdone. obviously it wasn't the Lord moving through real prophets or accurate prophecy because it didn't do all that well and good critics scorned it. compare that with the little Baptist flick that was made for 100,000 and it did fantastically. it distracted from the normal programming and the time slots were filled with promoting both matt crouch and his production abilities/company and then carman incessantly. it was more than annoying and it wasn't healthy or normal spiritually. it was a misuse of the prophet and it was far too focused on carman. when you have to promote something so much, in the Kingdom of God Who is the exalter, you know there is something wrong somewhere. now he carman, is on TBN promoting people who should be rebuked and avoided. not to say that love or understanding is not part of that whole picture but you don't promote a woman who even now is sexualized and simulating sex in several different ways while holding bling between her lips sensually to advertise pay channel services. yea, PAY CHANNELS. do you discern a flow? watch her dance language and the simulation of sex in the new commercial let alone in all of her "work". where did her "pastor" get his credentials. supposedly carman is a pastor, why doesn't he have a HUGE problem with her and instead was jezebel level supportive. oh baloney you don't know what you are talking about. go get fried at a greasy spoon. (i could at carman's condo dinner-grosssss) what does mark think of all that? everything is okay because God loves ya? is he friends with carlton? | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 12.153.73.132 |
mark has to have something off spiritually, or something that is coincidingly wrong in his spirituality, to be close friends with the Crouches as they are now. his writings, seem to feel strange and have a feeling like mesmerizing or hypnosis. we have actually had spiritual warning to avoid his materials when looking for gifts and books. his church sounds cool and God gave him strong charismatic gifting and his appreciation for kids and psychology all spell cool dude. but. something is strange. and if he is not correcting, in love, the crouches he is not a real prophet. what's his spending like also? trusting the Holy Spirit is essential. he seemed to be more trustworthy when he had more fear of the Lord and less success and his ministry was about identifying gifts and letting God heal deeply wounded people through charismatic Words of Knowledge. he went off with ambition and like the rest of them, would most likely not see or admit to any such dynamic. he's too popular and successful, has too many kids, a degree and is desired on TV and liked by carman and the crouches. he has had jezebel witchcraft around him at times and there is a glassy look he gets in his eyes, and milky that is not a great indicator through his countenance. if he is friends and defensive and compromised with jan and carman, and avoids gentle confrontation and correction of things pagan and jezebel, if he doesn't see it all...that tells you and if were humble him, something loud and clear. he's probably one of those cult figures, who can't be corrected and people would want to look at his visibility and miracles only saying he can't possible have gone off or have a dark side. are there still miracles going on through his ministry like there were a few years ago? we are not sure he is even a real prophet. many people on tbn say that they are when they are not. and if he is not correcting the crouches and seeing the sin in carman's character and life, he is not a prophet. jan seems to take over prophetic types and control them by giving them exposure they long for and then they go off somehow. that sounds jezebel by the defintion. baloney!!! jan can't make an error and mark is a fully accurate pure and absent of anything occultic or compromised prophet. you'd better watch it baloneydude and stop talking about these high and mighty, one of the largest networks in the world, top ten people!!!! leave jan alone!!!! she is an artistic, gentle, normal, very godly person and if you knew her behind close doors and paul...you would really respect them even more than your own pastor or Jesus. it is THEM that make the network what it is. not the Lord, His Holy Spirit and the faithful people who pray sincerely and the holiness preachers who minister there sometimes. you know why they are so big around the world? it's the Christmas displays of millions of lights and loads of angel (female angels) statues and the mirrors. yes all those mirrors. anyone know the original story of narcissis? take it easy guilla. have a good spring time week. mark | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 12.153.73.132 |
zebra, where have you been? are you on vacation? check out charts and graphs, carman little bit of conviction (watch out for the bad language) (and some seemingly real stalker type posts)and click on to the carman blog from May 1st 06 see some of the people there that have been here. there is a comment section that reads 1594 comments click on that. lotta baloney. but other things interesting. we haven't set up a blog just yet, we are just watching and listening. soon though soon. mark | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 175 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
Mr. or Dr. Chironna (better use titles seeing I don't know the guy), he says "you shall know them by their fruits" and the fruits he looks at is: painting or singing outward skills. Look closer to see is there any love? is there any patience? is there any humility and kindness? Is there any faithfulness or goodness? Is there any self control? Because if there isn't they are not good examples of the kingdom, no matter how good they can sing, dance or paint. Many ungodlies can do all those things, those are not the fruit of the Spirit, neither are they any indication of favour of God. Just a trend of what seems to be going on in the church at large and it is rotten fruit which stinks to high heaven. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 176 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
yes thanks Mark, got some heavy fights with guys coming up for my intructor's grading but should be right, my coach is gonna let me wear headgear (full face) because doc said I shouldn't fight for at least 6 mths (I had a bruise on my brain), should be right it's mixed martial arts, not just boxing (so not as hard on the head). | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 177 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.234.75 |
Also writing, directing and producing a doco, so not like I will be taking it easy.  Please pray I make it as God would have me.Thanks. | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 323 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.164.253.170 |
Baloneydude: In response to your question from post # 29, above I respond with, What's a vacation? LOL I have definitely been checking out Blogger as well as some other venues. It seems that the girls from the paid-chat site are too afraid to post on FactNet and have chosen "Blogger" to do their postings. Of course, they post under the name "anonymous" that way they will not be responsible for what they post. At least they think that. I want to keep up with what some of the girls from the paid-chat site have been up to. After what Carle said in her post # 59, above, concerning the upgrading of my research capabilities, I thought I'd do some research on her as well as some of the other girls from the paid-chat site. (Thank you Carle for suggesting that I upgrade my research capabilities) I've been in the process of doing that research. As I discover different facts, from time to time I will give you as well as others some bits of information. They are an interesting group. Perhaps the word that would best describe some of them would be the word "hypocrite". Some of them are so "full of themselves" they can hardly function in a rational manner. Mark, thank you for asking and it is good to hear from you again. Allow me to caution you a bit. Please don't use too many truthful facts concerning C as well as the girls from the paid-chat site. Truthful facts tend to upset them. (smile) Zebra | ||
| missykwan New member Username: missykwan Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 75.118.55.162 |
ZEBR: Perhaps the word that would best describe some of them would be the word "hypocrite". MISSY: Vada is one of the biggest hypocrits and she got mad at me when I called her out | ||
| revelation New member Username: revelation Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 97.96.182.25 |
I want the best for his ministry and the outcome. We all have trusted our flesh, he is no different than anyone of us. | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.244.146.210 |
hey there guila, sorry to hear of your brain injury. we hope that you will take good care of yourself in the coming months and not push past any medical limits. boxing is a rough game so they say and it looks like it... and as the Lord leads you, we hope that you will find something safer to do with your energies and passions. what type of documentary are you planning? is it on women boxers? remember gentleness is a Fruit of the Spirit and that can mean being gentle with yourself. take care stay real mark oh yea, about mark c, we just wonder if he is honest with carman about his egotism. no. really honest. what does he do to bring about change in the close circle Christians he walks among? did you see The Game Plan? is it playing in your region? it's a gas. how about you Zebra? man that movie is such a joy in regards to carman! if he saw it, which we are sure he did, wonder too if he "got it". he calls people stupid. he has super white teeth brags about it, and elvis complex, puts career first, has or had a russian love interest, mexican same, probably reacts the same way to media critics, you know-fast forwarding and whining over it. so hysterical. check it out if you haven't seen it. baloney is on his way to church service so- cya b | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 178 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
No it's about the prison system. I fight men here, there is not many women who have any skills in fighting, there is one or two and believe it or not women are more fierce in the ring than men (so I have found).My brother tells me to take up sewing but I like fighting, I like the release, and I like the competition, I like the thrill of danger, I like to push my limits. I think many of these TV evangelists got lost in their quest for greatness. Why wouldn't Dr. Chironna be honest with Carman? Isn't that waht being Christian is about? I have heard him speak and he has got insight, only the overall influence of the evangelical church (at least those on TV), is ego driven and so they lose the Presence of God in the process. There is no power in the church. Demons are not being cast out and people aren't being baptised. They may be in the flesh but the Spiritual baptism is not happening so the Word does not take root. One other thing I want to say is: I think all works of the devil should be exposed, but I also want to say I don't like to bag people. I don't think Carman should be bagged, neither do I think Mark should be bagged. I don't like it and it is not fruitful. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 179 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
I think purpousfully looking for dirt on people is not nice and quite sick, really. I have also found that many times what you don't like about someone is a reflection of self and that Spiritual people and Ones who are of the kingdom edify and don't spend their time looking and poniting at someone else's flaws. Another thin, you asking me if my doco is on women's boxing sounds like a value laden question. Most men don't like the idea of women fighting. Truth be known I dance as well and I also wear dresses. Please don't make subtle judgements, it is quite sleazy. | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.244.146.210 |
guila, that's what i get for thinking you might be normal. i wasn't judging, that question about you doing the documentary was sincere. maybe you are a liar and aren't doing anything like that. why are you defensive guila? you are wrong about no fruit. exposing, challenging and holding people to accountability in one way or another is fruitful. you might give the New Testament a read. you bag people yourself so as you put it although not very clearly, you are projecting what you do onto someone you feel like doing it to. anything you see me challenge, is something i am "not" doing or sinning in that way and believe it is wrong for ministers to accumulate funds and trick people with phony degrees and secretly compromised, or openly compromised lives. your theory, pop psychology is not totally accurate. real discernment is however. and real standards that all Christians, all disciples not of tbn but of Jesus are accurate and life giving and sometimes...hard to keep in this world. i will never be comfortable with carman supporting beyonce, being such a party guy with paula white, and other things that are legit...and can say so if desired. mark c must have something blind in his life because he doesn't seem to get the witchcraft in carman and from him or the jezebel dynamics. BALONEY you idiot you jerk you dumb dumb!! if he likes him too much to see and to be iron sharpening iron, then he isn't as respectable as he and others think. schmoozing is schmoozing whether it's on a Christian TV set, a cafe in Naples and if you write books that people say have changed their lives. most new age self helpers and multi-millionaires like Deepok are successful and contributory, but spiritually- dark and not in alignment with the Word. success is not always proof of being godly or right. seems to be a nasty little over religious saying these days...according to television Christian leadership and compromised people who are ambtion based and lie about it. "not in alignment with His Word", baloney you are such a cop, such a religious nut job. God loves everyone and He has very soft and namby pamby standards because of His "love". you have no right to critisize mark c or carman, they are kings among men and giants of faith and evangelism. and they listen to beyonce while they drive around and talk about how naughty she is, but ooweee what a bombshell. shake it shake me flow in the snake spirit beyonce. bombastic glorified stripper. sin beyonce, real sin. again carman mark c jan paul and all crew and family READ THE BIBLE AND BE INTIMATE WITH HIS HOLY SPIRIT. do they ever call her a defiling spirit and a seductress, greedy, selfish, sociopathic, immoral, violent, deceitful? awwww that's too mean baloney. mark and carman aren't mean like that. YOU ARE SUCH A JERK. why don't you go fall on a slicer at piggly wigglys (named after beyonce dance moves)and thin it down dude! having high, achievable with Jesus' help and keeping godly standards based in fact and in New Testament teaching is loving God and His Word and the Body, and myself and my wife healthfully. | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.244.146.210 |
don't like boxing at all. it is a pointless angry violent and damaging sport. it encourages gambling and holds no virtue or message other than keep fighting until you harm yourself or someone else. it's not exciting in a cool way, and it's gross. it dumbs people down and it breaks down the body for no reason. criminals are often involved and there isn't much redemptive about it. the "honor" is a manipulation and there is nothing about it that i can see that edifies, preaches or heals. sure, you're right hitting kicking being atheletic is a release. learning a skill is empowering and self defense can be beneficial. women boxing? really have never given it much thought. it's not appealing but it's not a chauvenist thing with me. what i said to you was Christian, but you weren't uber Christian...back. that's okay, it doesn't bother us but it shows you who you really are guila. learn something. there is nothing sleazy about me, my wife or our lives. thanks for not bagging. that's cool that you wear dresses. great. zebra thinks you're a babe so enjoy! hope your dancing is unto the Lord and praise-worthy, something beautiful and edifying. send us some photos of your family and your dancing if it's modest. cheese_n_baloney@yahoo.com we love ya. still congrats on being a grandma. your bff baloney. sheila says God Bless and wishes you well. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 180 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
"don't like boxing at all. it is a pointless angry violent and damaging sport. it encourages gambling and holds no virtue or message other than keep fighting until you harm yourself or someone else. it's not exciting in a cool way, and it's gross. " See? I was right, there goes your judgement, so in asking your question you already judged me. Somethings I know. You know the Christian walk is narrow and few there be that find it, also few that stay on the path of self denial, living fully in Christ. No matter how much you read the bible, unless you go to the cross and keep going there, each day dying, then it doesn't matter how many times you read the bible. You perceive what is already in your heart and you seem to focus much on people's short comings and fail to edify, really. Biting and tearing of one another does not accomplish anything. Most people, even Christians will say that a doco of people's experiences of the prison system is no big deal, it certainly won't make me any money or make me real famous or anything. I believe God wants me to do it and I think people need to hear about the lack of rehabilitation provided by our corrective services. http://www.myspace.com/gigiulia | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 181 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
you say you are being sincere, yet your words are laden with your values: "pop psychology" included, and so judgement. Still thanks for the blessing and send a hello back to yer wife. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 182 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
A doco's no big deal, I'll post it when it's ready, shouldn't take long, why would anyone want to lie about something like that? I don'g get it? Geez if I was gonna choose a lie I would get one better than that! | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 183 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
Anyway Mr Spam, haven't quite finished with you yet. Questins remain with me, one is that you tried to belittle me, yet allowed the same measure for yourself; so you have unjust weights. The other is constantly judging me without even knowing, nor caring to know me. You pretend to be my friend, yet belittle me. You are shallow and deceitful. You display wisdom in a proud manner, yet it is foolishness because it is obvious you are a hypocrite who would stab me in the back as quick as look at me. Call me popsicle or call me schmoozer (I don't even know what that means) or call me whatever you want, my dinner is calling, see ya! | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.244.146.210 |
can i have feelings and opinions about boxing without you doing "man bashing"? see...what you said about people projecting themselves onto others? i didn't say that with a big attitude towards you or boxing. just truthful quila. when did i call you a popsicle? i'm not your "friend" per say, but not your enemy by any means. you seem to enjoy belittling others. and stabbing you in the back would be for what reason? what would that possibly accomplish? thanks for saying "shallow and deceitful". quite the contrary and wisdom displayed proudly describes your posting history and a number of other young ladies you get along with. if you don't know what schmoozer is, why don't you look it up in a dictionary and then deride me. telling the truth and turning the tables on ministers who are compromising and fleecing the people of God is not biting and tearing down. that's just defensive and shallow and definitely deceitful. documentary on the prison system sound ambitious, cool and in your life, heartfelt and with a desire to glorify God,(hopefully more than yourself)! yes guila thanks back at you...for your display of the Greatest Commandment and for being a woman full of it, uh oh, i meant to say, full of the Fruit of the Spirit. you are a mean girl, but God loves ya. my wife is at a baby shower i will tell her you sent "something" to her. not sure what it is spiritually, but she's pretty discerning, we'll leave it up to her. l8r. God is calling me, not any food products... so i am outta here. do you have California Pizza Kitchens there? are you going to say something really really nasty and defensive just...because...i asked? also try a spell check next time. just for you guila, you can call me spamlyman. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 184 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
hmmmm   not your friend? Then why'dya ask me to send you photo's of me and family? Which friend you talking about? My niece that writes to me? I won't even honour the stuff you said with a reply, you are so full of judgement. Where's yer wife? Outside fixing the car? Or is she down the road buying you some salami? Poor woman, I feel for her stuck with a dud dude like yerself! (Message edited by Giulia on November 17, 2007) | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 185 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.173.119 |
Mean hey? First time for everything, first time anyone ever called me mean, even when I was trying to act mean Who is it that I get along with, oh man of wisdom, yeah right! You are an obvious wolf and I sense your rotten nature from here, not only that but also a copycat as you copy and try to top what I said. What type of twerp you truly are is disguised behind the spamilyman who probably ain't too bad on the outside, but rotten to the core on the inside. | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.244.146.210 |
you are mean. if you heard here first, which i completely doubt, then let it bear good fruit along life's way.  how does a sweet lamb with a gentle spirit and good character end up in prison? criminals, are mean. and if you weren't a criminal, you are still mean. you just don't want to admit it. and that is part of being mean. check out some of your pop psychology resources. take care guila we wish you well. i won't be responding to you anymore. not being mean. just too busy and the holidays are time consuming. you not mean? baloney.  | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 186 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
Mr. Spam, ambition is not quite the word I would use, I am not going around to solicit votes neither am I doing this for the betterment of self. Don't tell me to take care and wish me well when you don't mean it. You lie, even to yourself you lie because that is your nature. You are full of judgement and you obviously don't understand one iota of the truth of redemptive transformation of Jesus Christ otherwise you woulndn't be making judgements as you have. You are easily exposed, no I won't be answering to you either, "not being mean. just too busy and the holidays are time consuming." Yes it must be time consuming finding material to tear people down with for your holidays......how much quality time do you give your family, I wonder............no need to respond, you would only talk more spam | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 326 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.166.252.118 |
Baloneydude: Looks as if you hit a nerve. The truth, when spoken, will often cause one to strike-back and out at those who speak the truth. This is so evident in those who blindly follow a person rather than a Creator. If you're not careful you will soon find yourself as well as the wife being used as the object of their miseries. Please note the intelligence shown by Giulia in her post # 184, above where she stated the following: ------------------------------------------------- "Where's yer wife? Outside fixing the car? Or is she down the road buying you some salami? Poor woman, I feel for her stuck with a dud dude like yerself!" ------------------------------------------------- Now that had to really hurt you Baloneydude. Soon Giulia will want to rehabilitate prisoners rather than punish them. Remember the famous words of Giulia in her above post # 162, where she said the following: ------------------------------------------------- "What you have in your heart comes out in your speech"... ------------------------------------------------- Can't you just feel the love in her speech, Baloneydude? Zebra | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 188 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
Ohh so you side up with the hypocrite? Why? Because you are one yourself and likes attract likes, I'm done with this discussion, like to see how you all behave face to face. Keep accusing and keep bringing up the past cause that's all you're good for, and where prison is concerned bet you two wouldn't last one day without either suffering a bad fall or going on protection. That's right, crims have got more integrity, at least they don't slime around pretending to be something they're not!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.254.184.158 |
hey zeeb! i never read that post where she tried to "bag" my wife, (as she would put it). my wife would never feel offended or hurt by anything posted here. she is a very bright and together Christian lady. no idea why she would even think to marry me. one thing that may disappoint guilia is my wife has never referred to me as a "dud".  yes...i feel the love. when she pulls the prison card and makes into a power play, she's losing the fight. so you have to feel compassion for her and hope she sees the light someday. she's telling you that you are a hypocrite because she is of course. let's call her crim from now on. i play polo and have competed with world ranking teams, so if she wants to talk "falls" let's talk about her little italian body hitting a giving rubberized floor, not by being kicked with a steel shoed hoof by an 1100lb animal or hitting wet grass at 25miles per hour. we both wear helmets but that's about the only thing we have in common. other than Jesus. does she "slime around" at film conferences pretending to be something she's not. does she neglect her family and did she hurt her kids by being an addict and criminal incarcerated and unable to take proper care of her family and her self? talk about a hypocrite! she isn't mean. BALONEY. she spends much more time here than you or i and how does she manage it with being a professional boxer and film producer, mom, granmother and minister? baloney-YOU ARE SO MEAN TO POOR STRUGGLING GUILA!! guila should fight "different battles" and bear righteous fruit in stead of...bad fruit. you and me, "us two" we will wait for her to pop in and say some wise, kind, and full of good fruit things. i can't wait until she attacks my wife, calls me a donkey penis and projects 10 or more things about her lovely and very Christian loving self all over us. wonder if she knows what the greatest commandment is. or that a righteous rebuke brings about peace according to the Bible. that's RIGHTEOUS rebuke by the way. are you afraid zeeb? she might take off the gloves and give us a knuckle sandwhich.  hey maybe she'll even do it in one of her dresses. sow mean-reap mean! criminals deserve consequences, even if it's just putting the right kind of attention, right back where it belongs. guila are you going to give zebra and baloney Christmas gifts? write to me and Sheila at cheese_n_baloney@yahoo.com send us some holiday ecards. be nice... can you be??? take that long overdue vacation zeeb! God anoint you for victory and breakthrough concerning the most challenging thing in your life this HOLY-day. mark and sheila (Message edited by baloneydude on November 20, 2007) | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 189 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
I don't have to pretend to be anyone I am not, I shine with the light of God and His stripes are also mine, don't need no pretence, just walk in true and His light shines through me, even after being to prison and all, He still loves me and honours me His authority is also mine, no pretending, it's true. God chooses the weak and despised and rejected things to bring Glory to Himself,and that is why He chose me, and yes, He favours me because I was broken and trusted Him and called to Him, He heard me and lifted me so I have the highest seat in Christ Jesus and nothing you say can change that.That is the beauty of this walk, no one with polo sticks or silly looking golf stick, police sticks or even candy sticks can take this reality from me.  | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 190 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
BTW, had a beautiful, strong and healthy 8 pound baby boy today, his name is Orlando (the father chose the name)!I am ecstatic! | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.254.153.232 |
sure... we believe you crim. orlando? after carman? He favors those whom He choses to for various reasons, all His. many people are favored. He does not honor things you say and do that are not honorable and you sound...like you have a bloated ego and some narcissitic overstating-overemphasis on you and who you are to God. the Bible tells you to desire to be at the back, to be a door opener and not to seek honor. calm down guil. the beauty of my walk...is that i can play polo and use mallets with crisp expertise and uncanny coordination, at high speeds and without injuring myself or others and train intelligent, dynamic beautiful animals to excell in discipline and competition. what do you do? sweat alot, punch a bunch and swear at people and then say its all for the glory of "God"? "pretense" should be your factnet poster name! yes, that's true. He does choose the weak and in our weakness His strength is made perfect. authority is not a blanket perspective and not all Christians have the same level or rank of authority. God gives authority to people who submit to Him fully and consistently and who demonstrate His character and promote that in others. many people believe they have authority, just because they think so or act like it. including carman who thinks he has authority he simply has never had and never will. if he were a true authority in the Holy Spirit, he would not be comfortable with and would not choose to accept and to exalt (even if its his new tbn "job") beyonce privately and so much worse on international ministry television. and that's just one thing that proves his lack of real authority. a hot head like you, would not be given "authority" in the Body or over it, in any way. see...this is how you pretense crim! what you say is reality is only a partial reality. you're right, i can't take anything away from you that God establishes unless He allowed for His reasons...it to be taken. but some of the things you believe you have, are just a belief and not accurate. being weak and despised (you despise really well) and broken does not mean you have authority or favor. brokeness that you cause to yourself is not something favored of God. acting like a victim and making the consequences of your wrongs appear to be whip lash scars as though from martyred styled beatings is being a liar. God is close to those who have a broken and contrite heart. you don't really reflect that miss. of course God cares about your hurt and losses and He is a great Counselor. He will tell you that you screwed up your own life where ever you did and give you the grace and the power, calling you to be humble and obedient and to put on His character across time, so that you can be restored and be a better woman all at the same time. so if you see me as weak, if you despise me, and if you are rejecting me...does that mean you are really really glorifying God then? or He is going to use it?! cya goal! spamlyman (only to you) sheila says it's okay and she understands that you are a hurting and angry person and will have her women's cell pray for you too. some of those gals...now they have authority and the good character that precedes it. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 191 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
 Talyhooo then off you go with your stick, get them balls boy!. BTW, I never bagged your wife, if you go back and read the post, I mentioned how sorry I am that she is with a dud like you,and asked if she was out buying your salami,geez you don't read things accurately do you? You also have the ability to win other unfavourables with your less than accurate observations, like Zebra, who is also looking to disguise her do own hypocrisy with cleverly composed observations, (which end up being foolish in the light of truth as the truth reveals the motive and both of your motives are selfish and unpure, motivated solely on your own past hurts which it is obvious you are unwilling to let go of). Do your polo friends know you get on here bagging Carman?Do they know what a dud you truly are? No I did not choose the name and the father isn't a fan of Carman, just coincidental, not after Orlando Bloom, he is too effeminate for our likings. Hope one day you see the light, but not sure about that because He has chosen to conceal the mysteries to the "wise" an d reveal them to the simple minded. Miss Crim to you, and you can also throw in the junkie bit, you forgot that bit , may as well throw in prostitute as well, why not go stacks on????? And you are a Christian?? You sound mighty spiritual | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 192 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
I noticed you are real good in sticking to your word of "not responding to me" real staunch you are, count on you for anything (yeah right), but then if there is an opportunity to tear someone down to make yourself look good why not go for it? Seems to be your style, do you have a fox which goes with you playing polo or are you it? | ||
| zebra Intermediate Member Username: zebra Post Number: 329 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.131.118.120 |
Baloneydude: First, thank you for your words of kindness and comfort. Secondly, I wouldn't expect any gifts from Giulia if I were you. However, I might send you a jumpsuit with horizonal stripes or would that need to be an orange jumpsuit in this modern age. (smile) In your above post # 45, you stated the following: ..."so you have to feel compassion for her and hope she sees the light someday." I truly do feel compassion for her. She, at times, speaks words of wisdom. While at other times she speaks as if bitterness and sadness rule her life. I totally agree with her when she said the following; ""What you have in your heart comes out in your speech"... Because of that compassion I must point out a couple of things she said in some earlier posts. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ In her above post # 186, speaking to Baloneydude, she stated the following: "You are full of judgement and you obviously don't understand one iota of the truth of redemptive transformation of Jesus Christ otherwise you woulndn't be making judgements as you have." Yet, she has not ceased from making judgments of others. Reread her above posts. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ In her above posts # 189, speaking of God, she stated the following: " He favours me because I was broken and trusted Him and called to Him"... Dear Giulia, listen carefully. God does not favor you above anyone. He loves all equally. He redeems all who become broken (repents) and calls out to Him and trusts Him. Yes, even Mark (Baloneydude) Giulia you should try loving others more and judging them less. Perhaps you find it difficult to love others because you don't love yourself. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ In your above post # 189, speaking of yourself, you stated that you "shine with the light of God"... Oh please! Giulia. I don't believe that God would ever say some of the things you've said in these posts. The bitterness shows. Why don't you let the past go. It is only a weight and "a sin which doeth so easily deset us." __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Giulia: Congradulation on the birth of Orlando. If I remember an earlier post, I believe he would be your grandson. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Zebra | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 193 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
That's right, my third I am not going to go back and cut and ciopy like you do Zebra, haven't got the time, but I needen't remind everyone it is you who says Carman should be responsible yet gives another rule for the chat girls saying they are not responsible. That is not the first time you have said something to show your askewed judgement. I am not sure if you even profess to be a Christian but "researching" just so you can dig up dirt on someone is not something terribly edifying and what exactly is it you intend to do, pray tell? "Tallyho" that is something you yell out when you catch a fox, I should of yelled out the phrase when I first met yourself and Baloney. Anyway I have had enough of this polluted environment, not terribly inspiring, nor encouraging, then again neither were the pharisees. Nothing's changed! Have a good time with searching amongst the rubbish Zeeb, and don't fall off your horse when you play ball with that stick Baloney, amuses me how you post an email address as if you would be remotely concerned about anything I write, and to tear down and then try to set yourself up as someone who people are able to go to with personal matters is quite hypocritical, but I expect nothing more off you. I was googling "dude" and found "elephant butt hair" and also found camels testicles among the definitions, so I guess it depends if it's a cowboy or an Indian's perspective I've always identified more with Indians. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 194 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.167.165 |
Might remind you Zeeb it was Jesus who said in Matt 11:25 thank you God that you have hidden these things from the wise and made them known to babes {paraphrasing}, yes He does favour some Zebra, this is obvious, even in the exclusive call of the twelve disciples. He favours people in the condition of the heart and He favours those who have faith. Who shall ascend to the hill of the Lord? Those with clean hands and a pure heart only! | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.244.146.210 |
jewelia, it's time for you to repent of your hostility, hypocrisy, hysteria, histrionics and hickishness. thank you so very much, you gentle and meek (see Beatitudes or don't you have those in crim Bibles) woman of "favour". you seem to favour you - and then say that it's God. that would be...uh...let's think about it for just a moment...mentally ill? falsely prophetic? was it your goal to "bag" me and to be rude and gross or were you just expressing your clean hands and pure heart? are you infatuated with animal body parts of the gential areas? that is a category of perversion and sin clearly defined in Scripture. you seem to find animal body part references when you google. just because howie mandell is doing a sic new "adult oriented" animal planet after 10 talking about sex and animals, doesn't make it okay. UNLESS he's on tbn the carman show or something...right? baloney. are you googling pornography or just making it your goal to spar by vandalizing with your words? you are not telling any truth or protecting the Body of Christ, not really activating any New Testament mandates or principles. but you are saying you are one of the chosen apostles? because...?????? you are exclusive because...???? you can email us if you would like. if you are going to be abusive then...forghetta about it. do you think you should be doing something more industrious and positive in the Spirit of the Lord other than googling "dude" so you can stop by to deposit hate mails? loving God's people and loving God ferverently and with good standards, is part of being a real Christian. fantasizing that you are one of the chosen exclusive is spiritual and psychological illness. favour comes in different forms and dispensations and for different reasons. God can add favour to a person's life if they are deeply faithful during a hard and real trial and if they are a person who chooses to prefer others above themselves, in love. have you done a topical, google study on commentaries or interpretations of favour? those who give up all or dear things, in a healthy and profound committment to follow Christ, like giving up a great law career and following "charismatic Words" (the real kind) to go to a foreign country for 10 years and establish ministries for instance like say, Gordon Robertson did...now that kind of decision and excellence can win you favour. some people... God decides as He wills it and it has nothing to do with work or sacrifice. some have it prayed over them. but googling elephant butt hairs is not generally favoured by God. you can try it and possibly make something up and then falsely testify if you so choose. many a kook does that. but you are not kook jewelia. you are an angry controlling hurt person who gets very nasty when you can't just have your way. and then you dump a load of baloney on us using all kinds of spiritual guilt trips like, tearing down, not edifying, camel testicles and so on. is this the exclusivity that was granted you while in prison? would you like to exchange Christmas gifts this year? are you saying that you are a "babe" (in your paraphrasing) and you are hott, so that is why you are favoured? it's a little confusing, would you explain it all for us? (Message edited by baloneydude on November 25, 2007) | ||
| baloneydude Junior Member Username: baloneydude Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.244.146.210 |
"God(?) is "hiding" that you are a hott babe from me and Zeeb... and you who are a modern day exclusive apostle under Jesus are ascending to a hill because your hands are clean and your heart is pure and your words show what is in your heart? no worries jewel, there is more than enough grace to go around for you and me and Zeeb and all of the people who are reading these. even for good ole carmeanie. you accuse me of "bagging" when it is something entirely different. crims know that if they are going to dish it out, they have to take it. what part of Ephesians do you put into practice in both your peaceable endeavors and your angry moments, contests with other souls and pontificant posturing? or is that hidden from us and you are so exclusive you don't have to live by everyday basic eternal scripture? ride quickly and carry a well balanced stick. always wear your helmet. spamlyman |
