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daddysgirl
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Username: daddysgirl
Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 71.49.198.243
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:35 am: | 
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If the fires are getting close to any of the California communities? |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1751
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 12:41 pm: |
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They just evacuated the community in Vista and also "Morning Star Ranch" in Valley Center
The fire in Ramona 20 miles southeast from Vista is the threat to them. And its the Poomacha and Witch fire which have merged on Mt. Palomar and is moving west that threatens Valley Center/Morning Star Ranch...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=114250687465160386813.00043d08ac31fe3357571&om=1&ll=32.990236,-116.930237&spn=0.946815,1.842957&source=embed
If they lose their property, who's Yoneq going to lay the blame on this time? Could he finally accept some accountability?
If I recall from the old days that he said there would NEVER be a tribe in California!
Any old timers out there that can verify that? |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1752
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 2:54 pm: |
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UPDATE!!!
Both fires could be as close as 6 miles away from both communities! |
mozelle
Intermediate Member
Username: mozelle
Post Number: 125
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 68.7.232.240
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:11 am: |
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I am in San Diego, about 6 miles from the fire on Mt. Miguel. My parents are only about 1 1/2 miles away and still not required to evacuate.
The air quality is the bigger issue, especially for children. Mine are going a little bit batty not being able to go outside. We're San Diegans, we live outside! There are only so many games of cards and Life one family can play! We are bored and it's hot, we can't open the windows. We have one window air conditioner, but we're advised not to use it because of the stress it will cause on the power grid.
I was volunteering and bringing supplies to a shelter for families with large animals yesterday, and it is a real tear jerker the way this city has come together. So many people were there to help, and even more were giving supplies. We live in a place with such generosity!
I've got to get to bed. Up at 4am to help heat and serve breakfast for the Steele Canyon shelter.
I will pray for those in the community. Please keep in mind that 6 miles is a long way, and the winds have shifted to an onshore flow, meaning they'll be blowing east instead of west, and they won't be as strong as the Santa Ana winds. (This is a VERY good thing for us!)
Take care,
M |
heartstar12
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Username: heartstar12
Post Number: 11
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 71.127.162.154
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 6:56 pm: |
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Responding to Naba, yes, originally there were never going to be any communities west of the Mississippi. It was very clear at the time that "Our Father never intended anyone to live west of the Mississippi river."
This was well communicated throughout the Tribes (the Communities) at the time. I'm not even sure the Communities were being called Tribes at the time. Another issue.
Areas west of the Mississippi were considered too barren and not intended for human habitation.
Who comes up with this stuff? But I swallowed it all down like a good disciple. I loved the people I was with. We swallowed together in our shared exhaustion, and love for God.
I remember being so exhausted by evening, I hardly had enough energy to eat anything, and then there were sometimes evening teachings. Many of us would sit on the floor trying to stay awake. We could have been fed any information and just soaked it in. Such as the west of the Mississippi revelation.
"Way-out houses" were an exception. They could be west of the Mississippi, to help people come into the life.
Plus. Native American's ancestors "were wicked for leaving Russia and Asia and migrating to North America. Our Father never intended for them to come here. They left their natural habitation..."
As you know, As time went on, The Communities became more and more the only "Chosen People", and as they became more of "the only ones", I think some of the revelations became even more wacky. But I soaked it in, and would have defended it all at the time. Like the Cham teaching on black people. |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1756
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 8:37 pm: |
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The American Indians were considered "Japeth" and that extended into South America with all the indigenous peoples. The Mayas, Toltec, Aztecs, and Incas along with hundreds of different tribes...
I was in Warsaw when Yoneq was visiting and there just happened to be a US map on the wall of the print shop and he was looking at it and said "No No! Thats all wrong!" He was looking at the borders of Mannasah and at the time, everything east of the Mississippi was Yehudah.
He changed the border to east of the Mississippi up to the Ohio river to the Pennsylvania border.
So Elkanah and I were watching, he from Michigan and I from Wisconsin were instantly "Manassahtized"!!! |
heartstar12
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Username: heartstar12
Post Number: 12
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 71.176.116.253
| | Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 12:17 pm: |
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Yes, this is interesting.
I heard about the barrenness of all land beyond the Mississippi before anyone had a clue where the Manasseh Tribe would be or was talking about it.
At that period in time it was thought that all of the ancestors of Yapheth should have stayed in Asia. They shouldn't be in North or South America or anywhere else but Asia.
This was when everyone was still in Vermont, and members were getting nervous about "the Pond emptying out. The coming Exodus from Island Pond.
Yoneq creating these boundaries looking at map in the same room as you two guys seems so wacko, I'm probably not understanding it all, but don't worry about me getting it. The main thing is that Twelve Tribes have now been raised up as a testimony to the entire world of Yoneq's power and creativity.
Anytime I ever asked any questions about Yoneq, people would start getting upset. Everyone says he lives the same as everyone else. I have a hard time believing that. What is the truth about how Yoneq lives? Does he really have alot of money hidden away. I keep hearing rumors about his wife's shopping spree's, or is that just malicious lies and slander?
I'm glad I can ask these questions here, because in the communities I would just keep getting told "You just need to trust...if you trust God, you can trust anyone...you need to take off your head and put it on a shelf...you just need to receive your brothers...you need to learn everything all over...you're just a baby here...you spent 30 some years in the world being taught all the wrong things and thinking the wrong way...it will take 30 more years in Yahshua for you to really be 30...you need to grow up into the Head...
I remember the day "the tithe" was set in motion, where each community would send 10% of their income to somewhere for evangelistic purposes. Does that money go straight to Yoneq and H'emeq? Some brothers didn't like it in Buffalo. I was wondering why evangelism had to be centralized, why shouldn't each commune just keep the money and do their own evangelistic work? I don't understand.
My eyes opened a little wider when one of the higher apostolic workers came to town with a brand new higher-end black Saab. The brother looked like he was doing pretty well, with a slightly guilty look on his face. So much for everyone living the same.
Samaech sounds likes a fun guy to live with. I like Pizza Hut too. |
heartstar12
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Username: heartstar12
Post Number: 13
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 71.176.116.253
| | Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 12:48 pm: |
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Getting back to the thread. I am also very sad to see the fire damages in California, and also concerned about the Communities. I hope those reading this realize that even though I have my share of issues and criticism with the Tribes, the majority of people I lived with were very kind loving people. It's upsetting to me that belief systems and monarchs exploit people like these and myself.
Why is it that most religions are extracting money from people all the time. If anything, the Truth should be giving back money to people, not taking it. |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1757
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 3:32 pm: |
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I dont believe Yoneq has to "hide" money away... but I guarantee he has the whole tithe and actually all monies available to him.
He is treated like "Messiah" where ever he goes. Special rooms set up for him etc. But actually they do that for any visiting "dignitary".
I know that Yoneq goes out and buys new clothes all the time, wears a shirt a couple times then gives it to some poor brother who needs a nice shirt. I guess he just likes to make sure they are good shirts before he "benevolently" gives them away...
Sure a lot is twisted and blown out of proportion but Yoneq does not live like the others... but realistically, how could he?
We all have our faults and his will surely be watched and remembered more so. I truly believe if he could change his face, his identity and still be able to write his teachings and work and control things from "behind the curtain", he would...
When you have deluded yourself and truly believe you have a direct "pipeline" to God, you have to pass your delusion onto others... |
lets_be_real
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Username: lets_be_real
Post Number: 20
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 71.98.157.3
| | Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 8:30 pm: |
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Yoneq enjoys very much shopping in thrift stores. He tries very hard to live like the rest of the brothers. Let's not get carried away. Anyone who has lived with him in there community knows this. It's totally outrageous some of the things I have read concerning him, He's really a wonderful caring man. |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1761
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 9:27 pm: |
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Half of these guys were wonderful and caring men also...
Nice Guys! |
lets_be_real
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Username: lets_be_real
Post Number: 21
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 71.98.157.3
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 1:12 am: |
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A brother offended is harder to be won then a strong city and their contentions like the bars of a castle. It seems as though you sure have an ax to grind. Or just maybe you just never got to know Yoneq. |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1762
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 3:04 am: |
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Yeah right, like you got to know Yoneq! Lets be real! Yoneq lost himself a long time ago...
I dont have an axe to grind. Just stating facts. He may be a wonderful caring man but he is very misguided by his own delusions and has hurt and damaged many in his insane, self important beliefs.
It looks as if your still caught up in them.
You my friend need to wake up and smell the mate'!!! |
lets_be_real
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Username: lets_be_real
Post Number: 22
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 71.98.157.3
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 5:52 am: |
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Actually just had a cup tastes as good as ever.All that I can judge is what I have experienced. I wouldn't make a judgement concerning Mate unless I had tasted it myself. Meaning of course it's not wise to pass judgement based on others subjective experiences. In a teaching Yoneq said himself , someone may come with a story but I know that I can't pass judgement until I have heard the other side. Shalom |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1763
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 1:44 pm: |
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Sad to say after I bought a kilo of mate' from tribal trading, I had to give it away to "intransition" because I found out that its bad for anyone who has hepC to drink it and I know there are others in the tribes who have it that dont realize this. Also the fact it does contain caffeine in it! (but they do have the best fresh mate' on the market!)
http://www.erowid.org/plants/yerba_mate/yerba_mate_chemistry1.shtml
But it also contains a monoamine oxidase inhibitor which is used as an antidepressant. Ive seen depression run rampant in communities that runs out of mate'! Its not a pretty sight...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate
but back to your post...
You like that word dont you? Judgement
A word the elders loved to throw around...hmmmm...makes one wonder...
Thats not a judgement, just an observation.
Who are you, Yoneq or anyone to judge?
According to scriptures, there is only one who has authority to do that...
and FYI, I lived with Yoneq at several different communities. Can you honestly say that you ever had a honest "man to man" conversation with Yoneq? There is no way you can have an eye to eye with him on a perch, no matter if he put himself on it or was put there by others. Including yourself! |
lets_be_real
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Username: lets_be_real
Post Number: 23
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 71.98.157.3
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 2:51 pm: |
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So you find him misguided and insane so is that not a judgement or you see it as an observation based on fact. All I'm saying is I think there has been a very wrong picture painted of him. He's aman in his 70's who has spent a life for the last thirty five years or so based on what he believes. People have a choice to follow or not. I chose to leave for now, I'm not blaming anyone. I made a choice from my own free will. shalom |
kumakumali
Junior Member
Username: kumakumali
Post Number: 38
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 69.4.112.124
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 3:38 pm: |
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Yoneq doesn't live like everyone else. The last I checked, he lives in a huge house, alone with his family. He hosts regular "retreats" and meetings with other members of the apostlic order. He travels alot to "check up on the other communities", he drives a brand new mini van. He basically does whatever he wants, goes where ever he want as he pleases, buys his heart's desire, receives medical attention, dental care--whatever. He wants for nothing-works very little. Don't be so deceived. |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1764
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 4:12 pm: |
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Yes I agree! He is a kind and caring man who has been caught up in his delusions/beliefs. Caught up in a raging river of a complex "Messiah" complex. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_complex
This was written for little jewish boys but seems appropriate...
http://www.thehope.org/mescompl.htm
I also agree there has been twisted truths and outright lies said about him. But like every man, he has his faults. He has had his own upbringing and indoctrination of faith that he had to rebel against himself. He saw the falseness and hypocrisy of Christianity and set out to take his faith to the limit. He wanted to make his faith work the way it is suppose to work! To live the way the scriptures say to and to achieve what it says is supposed to be achieved. Not unlike many throughout history have tried to do.
Sadly to say, Gene will die not seeing his efforts come to fruition. No one will see the "Messiah" return for his bride.Ever.
I dont know what the future has in store for the human race but I do feel that something huge will happen in our life time. An apocolypse/revelation if you may, but nothing that man can imagine nor comprehend and it will not be because of any belief nor any thing at all that man has done or hasnt done. |
fatherofaking
Senior Member
Username: fatherofaking
Post Number: 2520
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 71.255.153.140
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 6:26 pm: |
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new world order pt1
new world order pt2 |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1765
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 8:45 pm: |
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foak, those audio files are no longer available!!! |
fatherofaking
Senior Member
Username: fatherofaking
Post Number: 2521
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 71.255.153.140
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 12:05 am: |
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this has all of them
i think they are all worth listening to.
it is the best documented material on the subject. |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1766
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 2:44 am: |
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foak,
Id still like to get a conclusion from you! |
heartstar12
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Username: heartstar12
Post Number: 15
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 71.127.176.179
| | Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 11:27 am: |
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Does Yoneq work by the sweat of his brow? I don't have the answer, I never knew him well enough to know.
From time to time, I'd hear some of the young women say in Island Pond, "Yoneq's back in town" without much joy, or "Yoneq's coming to town."
I met him once and he seemed like a humble reserved brother, but when I've read some of his letters and teachings, I see that maybe he can have some anger and arrogant pride in a willful way. Am I wrong about this?
But, if he does live like almost everyone else, then he will be working by the sweat of his brow each day, and living an open transparent life, and coming under his brothers and receiving their will for his life. He will have a covering, and his whereabouts will be know at all times.
I hope this is taking place.
Also, if he does have nice cars to drive and clothes and homes, as some have accused, then he would need to give that all to the poor and start following Yahshua.
Yahshua never said to give all you have to the Twelve Tribes, he says to give it to the poor, and to follow him, not Yoneq or another apostle.
I don't think Yahshua even ever mentioned the word Twelve Tribes. (?)
When my wife and I first joined the Communities (as they were called then) in Island Pond, we sincerely gave several thousand dollars to the Community. Do you know how it got used, we found out later? It was decided to send an elder and his wife on vacation! I'm not kidding at all! Even though they don't call it a vacation, that's exactly what it was. I couldn't believe it, but I knew I needed to "think the best about my brothers." So I did.
When a brother was exposing himself in the bathroom to children, I thought the best.
But, when an elder I loved as a brother was on a bed with a single sister, and they tried to hide the fact. I couldn't think the best anymore, but I knew that "only two or three at least can bring a charge against an elder." Another brother said I was just imagining it. I left the Communities for a time.
The Tribes need to admit that Yoneq is just as prone to sin as anyone else. And his wife too. He needs help to be accountable, just like we all do. He may go off the deep end in some of the teachings. He needs his brothers help to hear God's Spirit and understand the written word. It's okay to need help.
People need help to be open about their bank accounts and credit cards and investments. In the Body there are no secrets. Everyone should know where all the money is going. Hopefully this is happening. If it's not, well is everyone confessing their sins to the Sovereign and to each other?
Yoneq is a human disciple, is he confessing his sins to someone? Just like everyone else, he received the Spirit through the laying on of hands. I forgot who was present to impart the Spirit to Yoneq. I'm sorry does anyone know? I wasn't in the Communities in the 70's.
Thankyou all for your help and
listening. We all need each other. All we have is oneanother. |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1768
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 9:02 pm: |
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" I see that maybe he can have some anger and arrogant pride in a willful way"
Trust your gut instinct...
"He will be working by the sweat of his brow each day, and living an open transparent life, and coming under his brothers and receiving their will for his life. He will have a covering, and his whereabouts will be know at all times."
Nope! On all accounts. But the practice from the "old priesthood" they like to try and hold to is when a "priest" (which is everyone in the "Body") reaches the age of 50, they are no longer required to perform physical labor.
Numbers 8:24 "This applies to the Levites: Men twenty-five years old or more shall come to take part in the work at the Tent of Meeting, 25 but at the age of fifty, they must retire from their regular service and work no longer. 26 They may assist their brothers in performing their duties at the Tent of Meeting, but they themselves must not do the work. This, then, is how you are to assign the responsibilities of the Levites."
Yoneq has no covering or accountability to anyone. At least the human kind...
The Tribes give nothing to the poor. They might do some neighborly projects or community service to help their image but thats it...but Im sure some of their good deeds are done out of the goodness of their hearts... when they have time...which everyone is short of there!
The Tribes are mentioned in the book of Acts by Paul and James in his epistle but Yahshua supposedly said this to his apostles in Luke 22:28 "You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
and in Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
This is also mentioned in Revelations...
But this should mean nothing to those who arent apostles! Also I tend to think that Yahshua was referring to the "natural seed/Tribes" and not the "spiritual seed/Tribes"!
"Just like everyone else, he received the Spirit through the laying on of hands. I forgot who was present to impart the Spirit to Yoneq. I'm sorry does anyone know?"
I have never heard of anyone laying hands on Yoneq nor confessing his sins to anyone either.
Can anyone add to this? |
nabashalam
Senior Member
Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1769
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 9:12 pm: |
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One more thing...Most of those in the tribes who have been found legally liable for paying child support by the law of the land dont pay, and they move those who do to avoid payment... and if they do want to try and pay, they are encouraged not to... It would draw from the coffers of the labor pool... |
stillserving
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Username: stillserving
Post Number: 5
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 71.98.157.3
| | Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 11:58 pm: |
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nab..how do you feel about iniquities ?Do you think you have issues that are to strong for you to overcome within yourself.Passed on traits etc...etc... |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1770
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 1:47 am: |
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Everyone has iniquities, passed on or not.
There is a history of addiction and depression in my lineage. I have overcome both. I used to be a lust filled womanizer also. Used to be.
I know Ive had attempted help, informal and professional, but when it comes down to it, its all a matter of will and choice.
AA pounds into their members that you are powerless. I say bull-ownee! They also say that you are an addict for life! Hog wash! They also say that there is a higher power that can help you overcome your powerlessness. I can say that I was powerless at one time in my life. If a higher power gave me this power, which could be possible, than I thank that force, whatever He, She or It may be, I am grateful for the gift, I accept it and it is now in my possession and it is mine.
I have other iniquities which could be considered worse than the ones fore mentioned, such as pride, selfishness and greed. These are still an ongoing battle but I am working on all of them. But like the others, they all boil down to conscious decisions. You decide wether to listen to that small voice inside or not.
I have shortcomings just as we all do but I admit this, I am quick to repent, (bugs the hell out of me if I dont) and I get up and move forward.
Was there something specific that you wanted to confront me about? I have no problem with constructive criticism if it is coming from a humble heart. It helps me take a look at myself and adjust accordingly... |
stillserving
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Username: stillserving
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 71.98.157.3
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There are alot of things in the community that I can do without.But one thing that, to me ,is valuable is friends that will be honest with you about ways that otherwise might become besetting.I have solved most issues that come up in the transitional time of community to world but a few questions linger of course.This being one of them.But I think what you said about a persons own will is true,and brings in alot of accountability to your own person.Because you cant make excuses that God is not strenghthing you or whatever...But the community often sees having a strong will as a detriment because you end up relying on your own strength not Gods...Who really knows the difference??Is it you or is it God through you?Probably an ongoing question.. |
stillserving
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Username: stillserving
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 71.98.157.3
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There are alot of things in the community that I can do without.But one thing that, to me ,is valuable is friends that will be honest with you about ways that otherwise might become besetting.I have solved most issues that come up in the transitional time of community to world but a few questions linger of course.This being one of them.But I think what you said about a persons own will is true,and brings in alot of accountability to your own person.Because you cant make excuses that God is not strenghthing you or whatever...But the community often sees having a strong will as a detriment because you end up relying on your own strength not Gods...Who really knows the difference??Is it you or is it God through you?Probably an ongoing question.. |
nabashalam
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Username: nabashalam
Post Number: 1771
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.183.98.4
| | Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 5:35 pm: |
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Well said!!!
And yes, we all need honest friends!
"Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of an enemy are lavish and deceitful." |
