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missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2062
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 216.226.240.86
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 3:44 pm: | 
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A person showed an FBI agent a letter I recieved and the agent asked had anyone ever talked to the FBI concerning HH? I told them I do not know for sure but would ask on this board. |
searchitout
New member
Username: searchitout
Post Number: 15
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.195.111.149
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 6:57 pm: |
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Why do you ask?Would it do any good to talk to the FBI?Are they interested in this cult(HH) or the one in NY(NCC)?I will gladly speak to them about the e-mails and tape recordings I have.My attorney and I are preparing a lawsuit based on these things.He said Tom Bowden and Geri Bowden of NCC in NY committed a felony.Geri Bowden is in deeper than Tom Bowden because I have recordings and e-mails which say her name and what she did.I WILL be pressing charges and if she goes to prison so be it.Please let me know because I will gladly speak to them and show them this info.All the ex members of HH please understand we are very closely connected because these two cults work together to decieve people and control people and if need be they will intrude into your lives to the point of tearing apart families.How ungodly!!!How unscriptural!!!Search it out
(Message edited by searchitout on October 12, 2007) |
searchitout
New member
Username: searchitout
Post Number: 16
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.195.111.149
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 7:02 pm: |
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I am also happy to report the newspaper reporter spoke to Phillip Arnn and the article is going well.It should be out in a few weeks and will show the relationship between NCC and HH.Then I will call the Waco Tribune to inform them of this article and hopefully they will print it also.Serach It Out |
trilogy
Junior Member
Username: trilogy
Post Number: 50
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 64.193.216.26
| | Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 6:47 pm: |
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If it's on the AP Wire and it has to to with HH then I'd say there's a 99 percent chance that the Trib will print it.
Now whether or not the Trib should print the story is a whole other matter. |
searchitout
New member
Username: searchitout
Post Number: 19
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.195.111.149
| | Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 9:16 pm: |
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I think HH and NCC need to take a close look at thier practices but I must say I have had a change of heart about contacting them and will not contact the texas newspaper as I think you are right. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 52
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 8:51 am: |
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Here is the article..............
http://www.saratogian.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18915526&BRD=1169&PAG=461&dept_id=602469&rfi=6 |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 53
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
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This should be sent to the Waco Trib.......... |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 54
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 11:28 am: |
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Someone notified me they have sent a copy of this article to the Waco Trib and quite a few others. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 55
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 12:14 pm: |
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With two different articles in two different states now might be the time to see if NBC's Dateline or the such is interested. What do you think? |
searchitout
New member
Username: searchitout
Post Number: 20
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.195.111.149
| | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 4:48 pm: |
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I think these people need to be held accountable.My life has been torn apart.I am shannon in the article as you can see what they have done.H75 email me at serarchitout@yahoo.com and we can talk. |
h75
Member
Username: h75
Post Number: 56
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.41.26.146
| | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 5:04 pm: |
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Did you mean searchitout@yahoo.com ? |
searchitout
New member
Username: searchitout
Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.195.111.149
| | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 6:59 pm: |
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yes sorry bad typer |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 156
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.165.53.40
| | Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 5:08 pm: |
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Those of you suffering physical damage from the practice of medicine done without a license probably have legal avenues to seek damages. Find an attorney who will take the case on contingency. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2099
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.245.122.130
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 2:24 pm: |
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Let us pray that God gives courage to those who are in bounds of fear. |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2100
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.245.122.130
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 2:33 pm: |
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Let us pray that God gives courage to those who are in bounds of fear. |
majajh
Intermediate Member
Username: majajh
Post Number: 178
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.94.92.210
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:16 am: |
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Can you imagine the legal liability the head honchos and midwives risk? Someday someone will haul their hineys to court and it will be payday.
You can't take advantage of people forever and not get burned when you screw up.
Hey Prax, what's the Gospel? |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2101
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.245.122.130
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 6:22 am: |
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Yes, one day truth will come out...and the truth will be shocking to those that they have so blinded...just glad we saw the truth in time...(the real HH) It is very scary... |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 120
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 9:48 am: |
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I am posting the following as these testimonies warrant HH to be investigated for criminal negligence:
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:13 am:
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I personally have had two blood transfusions after my births. One time was with six weeks after my baby was born. I called my husband to tell him I was hemorrhaging. At least an hour later, I was finally on the road to the hospital in DALLAS. We were advised to go there in order to protect HH. The doctors in Waco were already suspicious about what was going on with home births in Waco and they didn’t want to add to it.
The sweet sisters of HH took care of my other children. Before it was over, one of them would even be nursing my baby for me. You couldn’t ask for more love than that.
But… Trilogy, does the love of those sisters make up for the fact that it is more important to prevent more possible suspicions about HH tan me getting to go to a local hospital?
At the hospital at the woman’s clinic in Dallas, because I did not come in in an ambulance they put me in the emergency waiting room with the others. I could not go in an ambulance from Waco to Dallas, that would have looked foolish. The EMT would have wanted to taken me to a local hospital. So here I am in the waiting room. There wasn’t even an empty seat. I had to stand against a wall letting it hold me up. In all our “sweet Homestead” humility and trust God attitude that you visitors love so much, I stood there, to humble to ask anyone else to get up so I could have their seat. I looked to my husband, but he didn’t ask. I was there in my night gown and robe. My pad full and I was trying to hide the blood stains on the back of my gown by standing against the wall.
There were people everywhere. The public waiting room bathroom was busy. Every time I would get a chance I went in and grabbed paper towels to clean up the blood dripping down my legs and then shoved fresh paper towels in my panties before going back in the hall to meet my husband. The blood on the back of my gown and robe was getting hard to hide from everyone who stared.
I prayed constantly, held back fears and tears, and said God I trust you.
We still had our new born baby with us at this point so I could nurse her.
I don’t know how much time past before then sent me to triage. There they took a sample of my blood and would send it to the lab for a blood count. Back out to the waiting room finally I got an empty chair.
I looked around. The people around me were sick. I began to worry that my baby would catch something. I expressed my thoughts to my husband and of course he was tired and not in the best of moods. He said harshly, “Where is you faith?!” I apologized. It was the only time I let my tears fall. I felt like I had let God down. I repented right there.
SIX hours later I would finally be called into a room. I was still alive. I had seen so much blood I couldn’t understand it. The nurse left. My husband was out in the hall with the baby. I laid down and tears came from my eyes as I prayed. I was dizzy and my body was tingling and numb. I prayed God would spare my life so I could raise my four children. Then I forced my self up to a sit and raise my hands as high as I could and started to pray out loud in tongues. I found I couldn’t stay up so I laid back down, but I felt His presence very strongly.
A nurse came in she opened my folder and for the fist time some one looked at my blood test that was taken HOURS ago. She gasped and said “Honey, why didn’t you tell us it was this bad.” I said, “I told you I was hemorrhaging.” She told me they would be preparing a blood transfusion right away.
(Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 23, 2007) |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 121
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 9:49 am: |
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:14 am:
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I was put on a table with wheels and rushed a different room. I still haven’t seen my husband. I signed the papers. If I had been more coherent I would have thought to ask for him so I could get his permission. They began the transfusion, one bag in each arm.
They drew the curtain and the arguing began… The doctors were arguing which of them would have me. Neither of them wanted me. I heard that one doctor had already had three deaths that week and didn’t want another.
Finally a doctor came into check me. I couldn’t keep my eyes open, but I opened them once in awhile. I saw his face as he asked me questions. I told him I had a baby six weeks ago. He looked at my abdomen and pressed. He yelled for help and a nurse came with gloves. He yelled, “I don’t have time!” Then without gloves on, he reached in and pulled out a football sized blood clot from my uterus. Blood began going everywhere. (I learned later that it was the clot that had stopped my bleeding while I was in the waiting room.) In no time doctors were everywhere.
When things quitted down enough, they let my husband come in. A couple from HH who worked for my husband and was my husband’s best friend had come to the Dallas hospital to help with the baby. The brother came in when my husband went out. He told me later he looked at my he knew I was going to die.
At first they couldn’t stop the bleeding. Once the bleeding stopped they began to deal with infections, (Probably due to the doctor having to go in without gloves.) One of them was resistant and for three days they gave me antibiotics intravenously. A lot more was going to happen before I could go home were up but I think I have said enough about this one. I don’t even want to go into what I went through when I got home.
I always wonder how different it would have been if I had been taken by ambulance to Waco.
This is all to prepare you for the next birth and blood transfusion, the birth I had in the dirty hotel room in the little town north of Waco because I had no say so.
Very few people had ever heard what happened those days. You just don't tell people, "I had my baby in a motel room." You don't even tell your sisters in the fellowship.
My group leaders knew I was going to have my baby in that motel room, and they were obligated to tell the elders. They knew what was planned. They know everything that goes on. They confirm God's will or the husband is sent to "pray some more" until the "answers to his prayes line up to what God has told the elders.
FH |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 122
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 10:05 am: |
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'We were advised to go there in order to protect HH. The doctors in Waco were already suspicious about what was going on with home births in Waco and they didn’t want to add to it.'
The sister could have died.
Who is being protected from possible criminal proscecution and jail time?
The ones who wrote and developed these 'doctrines' in HH. |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 123
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 10:56 am: |
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 10:19 am: By WAAS
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Let’s examine some of the personal responsibility that Homestead Heritage teaches.
The Birth Paper deal with the Sisters providing ‘check ups’ and ‘attending’ your birth. There is literature to read, questions to answer and a paper to sign. Both the husband and wife must to this. Part of the literature and questions deal with who has the ‘authority’ during the birth. The easiest way to explain this is to lay out the following scenario.
If during the birth, the ‘attending’ Sisters feel that the mother to be should take a hot bath, and the future father doesn’t feel that, we have a conflict. There are one of three possibilities here.
1. The Sisters are right, the father is wrong’.
2. The father is right, the Sisters are wrong.
3. Both are wrong.
Case 1: If the Sisters are right, since the father cannot submit to their ‘authority’, the Sister will leave, as stated in your signed Birth Papers. Furthermore, you have agreed that the Sisters can never again attend another one of your births.
Case 2: No difference.
Case 3: No difference.
However, in the Birth Paper you are made to agree that the husband is ultimately responsible for the birth. So in case 2, we have a major problem. Since the father wouldn’t submit to the midwives’ authority by honoring their incorrect directive, he and his wife can never have the Sisters attend another home birth. They are ‘penalized’ for listening to and obeying the Holy Spirit.
In case 2, if the father submits to the Sister, even though he thinks they are wrong, the Sisters will stay. Now, if something bad happens, (breach birth, stillborn, etc.). The Sisters pack up and leave. The responsibility for the problem becomes the father’s, even though it was the midwives’ decision which may have caused it. If the parents then have to seek ‘professional’ medical attention, the parents cannot disclose that anybody was at the birth besides themselves. One general question on the birth papers is “Have you received any prenatal care? You are not supposed to answer yes. If the authorities want to do any research into the birth, the parents are supposed to ‘voluntarily’ leave the Fellowship and ‘deny’ that they had any relationship to it if asked.
I specifically asked my group leader about these situations, why the Sisters could never attend a birth again in any of these scenarios. In case 1, the answer was that because the husband (and wife) couldn’t submit to the Midwives’ authority once, they couldn’t be trusted to do so in the future. So much for forgiveness. In case 2, the answer was the same! It didn’t matter if the father heard the Holy Spirit and obeyed, the primary problem was that he couldn’t come under the authority of the Sisters. So whose authority was more important, the husband or the Sisters? The father was to take responsibility for decisions he couldn’t make. He had to agree in advance to be the scapegoat if anything went wrong. |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 124
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 11:00 am: |
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'If the parents then have to seek ‘professional’ medical attention, the parents cannot disclose that anybody was at the birth besides themselves. One general question on the birth papers is “Have you received any prenatal care? You are not supposed to answer yes. If the authorities want to do any research into the birth, the parents are supposed to ‘voluntarily’ leave the Fellowship and ‘deny’ that they had any relationship to it if asked.' |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 125
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 11:12 am: |
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The last post instructs the parents that they are to lie in order to cover up for the 'doctrines' of HH, at the expense of a possible death- of the mother, the child, or possibly both. When it comes to the point where a birth mother is rushed to the hospital in HH; when the midwives quickly retreat and run from the situation, it has gotten to the critical level.
The midwives retreat and run because they know that if investigated, certain people in HH's heirarchy of authority will go to jail and pay heavy fines.
How can anyone call the HH elders; who allow such atrocities to occur that endanger human lives, who write these HH 'doctrines' Christian???
The HH elders outright instruct their congregation to lie. HH doctrines place human lives in danger.
(Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 23, 2007) |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 703
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.54.69
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 12:35 pm: |
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Read it again. Did you notice it was the midwives making the decisions, unless the husband said otherwise, in which case the midwives leave?
My point is, did you notice the wife had no real say so even though she is the one giving birth and it is her life on the line. She is in submission to both her husband and her midwives. Yes she can make requests, humbly voice opinions, but has to submit to the decisions of the others.
If she dies, HH believes it is the woman's lack of faith and submission that allowed her death. They believe that God will preserve her life as long as she is faithfully in her place of faith and submission.
How different my last birth was. It was at a hospital here in Kentucky after I left the fellowship. I was blessed with a doctor who served on the mission field in Mexico for ten years. He used midwives in his practice. When my birth started he told me that God had made my body to respond to the needs of birth and that I was the best one to know what I needed to do and when. He told he was there for me if I wanted him to assist in any way just let him know.
This was the first birth out of seven where I made the decisions. I was sensitive to both the Holy Spirit and my body. The birth was awesome. It was my best birth in every way. At 36 years old, with six other births to compare it to, it was the very best.
God had surely blessed me.
According to HH teachings I was out from under the covering of God because I left HH. Yet just two weeks before my arrival in Texas this doctor feels to open a local office just minutes from my house. (The hospital where his main office was, was 35 minutes away. This new office was about ten.) I found him because he was so easy to find. He closed that office a few weeks after my six week post birth check up. I feel that God put this missionary doctor and his midwives there to bless me.
He has continued to bless my family. Not because we are in some way deserving, but because He is a good God. It is amazing how blessed we are.
HH fear tactics are a bunch of evil lies to keep people under their control.
Jesus is Lord,
Forever His |
foreverhis
Advanced Member
Username: foreverhis
Post Number: 704
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.176.54.69
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 1:03 pm: |
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The best Christmas gift you can give your family... Leave Homestead Heritage and develop a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior.
Merry Christmas everyone. May you intimately know the one who's birth we are celebrating. May you believe that by his sacrifice and resurrection you are reconciled to God and can have a new heart and eternal life.
If you know Him, may you cherish the joy of your salvation.
FH |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2130
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 1:27 pm: |
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Blessings to you FH and Merry Christmas to you and yours. |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 126
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 1:33 pm: |
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What our sister was blessed with was a Christian doctor and midwives who knew and recognized their responsibilities and DID NOT BAIL ON HER IN HER HOUR OF NEED, when the birth occurred - when they were needed the most.
God bless you FH!
There are too many examples of Blair and Regina's 'medical priesthood' failures.
How can there be so many imperfections in their doctrines if they have so much 'greater light'?
Remember, the KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS? HIS WAY is perfect.
(Message edited by Coveredbyhisblood on December 23, 2007) |
missionary_lady
Senior Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 2131
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 2:43 pm: |
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priesthood doctors...lol....temple patterns...lol |
coveredbyhisblood
Intermediate Member
Username: coveredbyhisblood
Post Number: 127
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 67.83.90.230
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2007 - 9:29 pm: |
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Another testimony regarding the midwifery;
Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 1:15 am:
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Truth Hunter wrote
Oh yes they do promote illegal behavior. The way they home school is illegal at least it was when I was there, child labor that they excuse by saying its voluntary.
The way they home-birth is illegal. Why else would you spend months filling out questionnaires assuring them that you take full responsibility for the birth? Its just to save their legal A**. Twisting things in your head to make you think that their midwives are not the ones delivering your baby. Do know how many baby's have died because the midwives goofed up? I know of two baby's in Homestead that are retarded because the midwives that you are led to believe have the knowledge and gifts from the Lord that make Homestead the safest place to have a baby, didn't know what they were doing, and since they taught not to go to the hospital, these babies died, or are retarded. And since these people never go to a doctor while they're pregnant, when the birth fails, no one knows. This my friend is criminal! |
