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     dyann Intermediate Member Username: dyann Post Number: 138 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 12.72.151.167 |
Since I can't locate the probable original link, I'll start another. This has to be current. http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7051849?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2867 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 38.119.107.74 |
The mormon church -has tried to separate themselves from the far fetched views of Mr Jeffs. However, we can not turn a blind eye to the fact that the mormon church has many skeletons in their closet and things go on in their cult that they try to keep hush hush.... R | ||
| trainedobserver Senior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 3071 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.48 |
Some of those things are: The book of Mormon has been edited, changed, and rewritten since its first appearance. The founder died in a gun battle with authorities. The book of Abraham is a proven fabrication. The Jesus of the LDS church bears only an outward resemblance to the Jesus of 'mainstream' Christianity. Every good male LDSer gets their own planet to rule over as a god when they die. The god of the Bible was an ascended human from another planet who became a god. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 666 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
M(r)(s). trainedobserver: I did not see any of your claims as factual. Please in the future, try to find out the truth before posting falsehoods. 1. The Book of Mormons: It is true several people have offered suggestions/claims that the Book of Mormons was not written by Joseph Smith. Those for the most part have been disproven. 2. Joseph Smith's death. Joseph Smith was in jail at the time of his death. Mr. Smith was not in a gun battle with authorities. 3. The Book of Abraham is a proven fabrication. The same thing can be said for all scripture. 4. The Jesus of LDS: I will address that claim later. 5. Every good male: That simply is not true. 6. The God of the Bible: Here you showed your complete ignorance on the subject. In 1853 Brigham Young, speaking infallibly, stated that Adam lived on earth long enough to become God. As God, Adam had the right to marry as many women as he chose. Jesus is an illegitimate byproduct of a polygamous relationship between Mary and Adam - God. Try doing some research next time. | ||
| trainedobserver Senior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 3076 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.1 |
tatm, 1. I said nothing about the origin, I said it has changed. I have the photo copies of previous editions highlighting the changes made. Dream on. 2. Oh ... in jail. That is better. 3. Look it up. 4. Who cares? 5. Not according to the sources ex-mormon and mormon that I have read and talked to . 6. Again, I guess it depends on your sources. I have researched it although it was many years ago. The book of mormon is tripe, garbage, and extremely poorly written fiction. And quite frankly I couldn't give a hoot what you think about that statement. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 667 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
M(r)(s). trainedobserver: Thank you for your observations. Please continue spreading your virulence. | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2872 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 38.119.107.74 |
hmmmm.... ATM-you attack pentacostals but defend mormons? Maybe ATM stands for "Always The Mormon"... who knows- since you will never share your beliefs about God....R | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Advanced Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 668 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.145.168 |
Ms. rachelengland: Ye do err, not knowing the word. I defended the truth and condemned lies. Go back and read the second sentence in my origin post on the subject. Virtually every religion has it share of legitimate problems without distorting the truth. I would challenge you to find a Mormon and ask them about Brigham Young's sermon. UGH! I will even correct myself. Brigham Young's sermon describing Jesus as the son of Adam God was actually preached in 1852. http://www.mrm.org/topics/documents-speeches/brigham-youngs-1852-adam-god-sermon The death of Smith can be found in Wikipedia. Though I don't trust that source, it is more believable than M(r)(s). trainedobserver. As to my beliefs on God, ye do err there also. I am an historic orthodox Christian. That fact is well documented on this board. Anyone can be an incubus. Many are pettifoggers. But dom few can tell the truth. | ||
| trainedobserver Senior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 3078 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.5 |
Hostile? Perhaps. I allowed myself to be perturbed by your assumption I hadn't already looked into this subject. I have. It seems you would rather believe what the LDS says about itself rather consider the evidence. When I did my research the Internet didn't exist as we know it today. So these aren't my original sources but they are saying the same thing with documentation to back it up. The book of Abraham - http://www.carm.org/lds/ldspapyri.htm Changes in the book of mormon - http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/bomchanges.htm Different Jesus - http://www.carm.org/lds/compare.htm My recollection of Smith's death was incorrect. The official story is that he died at the hands of a mob rather than the authorities. At any rate he wasn't what he is portrayed as being by the LDS. There has been plenty written about that as well. | ||
| heynow Intermediate Member Username: heynow Post Number: 418 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.202.39 |
Regarding Joseph Smith's death. From what I have read it stemmed from Smith instucting his followers to destroy a the local newspaper building. Which they did. You must realize destroying a newpaper in those days was regarded a very blantant hideous act since this was the only "media" in the day. Smith ordered the destuction due to an article exposing the mormons. He was arrested and jailed. Due to the fact he had a newspaper building burned and not some other building, there was an angry mob. I guess in 19th century mindset Joseph Smith had commited the ultimate crime in attempting to eliminate the only voice of truth that reached the masses. Yes, he was murdered by the locals. |
