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     dignityquest Junior Member Username: dignityquest Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 99.228.175.126 |
This was in this morning's Globe, Jeff http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070922.GRENVILLE22/TPStory/?query=grenville+christian+college | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 75 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.18.207 |
Funny I was just about to start a new thread and say how crucial it is that justice be at long last served and that those who were physically and sexually abused come forward--either to the Bishop, the cops or both. That's what I'm doing. | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 76 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.18.207 |
Btw, I've just heard some stories this morning regarding sexual abuse at Grenville (one from a source I consider absolutely unimpeachable) that are the worst things I've heard so far. | ||
| wrowe New member Username: wrowe Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 69.55.41.190 |
Yes very interesting. All the fussing and fuming and media fest in Ontario and not one person has gone to any official, less the Anglican Church. I am becoming sick of the desire to mar what was a great school in Ontario. Everyone reading this really needs to wonder what they are going to gain. Seriously, I have spoken to Fr. Farnsworth. Something tells me that if he is told that he can't be a priest anymore - its not really going to bother him. The man is a senior wanting to sit back and relax - something he had earned due to his age. Fr. Farnsworth, is not going to work on fighting back. He is done, and wants to retire in peace. No matter what happens - I hate to tell you all. Fr. Farnsworth has found peace "in the Lord" and I am sure through his faith - has already been forgiven of anything that he has asked forgiveness for. How much more do you a mere mortal think you can do to a devout Christian man ? If God before us, who can stand against us ? The entire dispute and tales have lost all credibility as it takes prompting from the OPP to say - "We haven't received any complaints yet" before some nimwit posting on Factnet or some other website about how bad GCC was - before they decided to have the gonads to contact the authorities which might be able to do something. All of you need to really consider what you are after .. and don't even try and hint to me that you are after some healing... Healing doesn't come by attempting to destroy some senior's life. I am definitely glad to know that there is a distinct difference between the Alumni... Good and Bad. Wayne R Grad 81 wrowe@ruggedwest.com | ||
| cryfreedom Intermediate Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 148 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
Jesus Christ Wayne, when are you going to shut the hell up and stop hindering what is going on in this site. As some said to another poster recently-----MOVE ALONG!!! I for one don't give a •••• that C.F has found peace "in the Lord". How can he be at peace when so many of us are in pain?! And you said you were sure he "has already been forgiven of anything that he has asked forgiveness for". Well, how can he be forgiven for •••• he hasn't even admitted to?!!! To be forgiven one must be a man and admit to his faults. That is all I ask. It is not about a law suit, money or anything else. I just want C.F to admit is faults! Which he refuses to do!! So please STOP defending the man on this site. And good for you for talking to him. I'm sure he put on the thick southern accent and it was all about "poor me, I am so hurt". Because I got the same ••••••• message on my manchine and I REFUSE to return the call. And don't give us this •••• about "good and bad" alumni-----what B.S. Wayne I have held my tongue all week because I thought Lianne, Catherine and Shelia did a wonderful job at putting you in your place and expressing how they felt. But clearly you are not willing to listen to what others went through. And don't forget that everyone HEALS in a different way. Again if this site is not healing for you then get the hell out!!! Dawn Vickery(1960fucking9 to 1985-----so I saw and heard it all Wayne and these are NOT lies!!) | ||
| gcc_1981_grad Junior Member Username: gcc_1981_grad Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.52.180.34 |
In order to contact the OPP, you would have to contact the OPP in Prescott and speak to the investigative officer in charge of the case. Once you connect with this person, arrangements would be made for you to tell your story | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 78 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.66.73.143 |
If we had gone to the OPP first as opposed to the Anglican Church, Wayne would be saying: "All the fussing and fuming and media fest in Ontario and not one person has gone to any official, less the OPP." ...but if there is anyone else out there who has yet to come forward, lets take Wayne's egging us on as that final nudge. (I'm sure FF will appreciate it *wink*) Thanks for your help Wayne!  | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1625 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19423/grenville-christian-college-9 | ||
| wrowe New member Username: wrowe Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 69.55.41.190 |
I continue to see revenge on this board not healing. Incredible. I am not egging anyone on. I am trying to find how this site has anything to do with healing. We all grew up in a very strict environment - end of story. If you all feel that you didn't grow up and are still wanting to complain about the past... go ahead. Complain to each other, make sure you all share enough that your complaints remove the "pain" and memory from your heads. | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 81 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.70 |
"...go ahead. Complain to each other, make sure that your complaints remove the pain and memory from your heads". That is exactly what people are doing here yet you continue to butt in with your ridiculous, nonsensical and irrelevant musings. Any reasonably intelligent person will regard your posts as rife with contradictions and a liability to your own position. For your own good, as well as ours, I really do think that you should move along. (Message edited by sheilac on September 23, 2007) | ||
| tinkerbell84 New member Username: tinkerbell84 Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 88.134.236.100 |
ARGGG Wayne - seeing that you don't need to heal you can't have any idea what others might need to heal. Perhaps it is revenge, perhaps it's just getting all the emotions out after so long, perhaps it is just being able to share your stories with others that also suffered and knowing you're not alone with your hurt. Each has their own way of dealing with this and if your experience was so good and your life so wonderful then I have no idea what you are doing here. Seems to me you must be pretty lonely to seek so much attention here and criticize others whom you don't even know. | ||
| purgatory Junior Member Username: purgatory Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.95.149.195 |
If this was not such a serious , and heartwrenching forum I would almost find Wayne's comments on the verge of comedy/insanity.I'm almost at the point of saying WTF let this certified nut ramble on in his own little pathetic world, and I'll just sit back and have a good chuckle!! It really is getting to the point where I can't be bothered to take this whack job seriously-there are far too many people on here who have helped me tremendously, and in some way I hope I have helped them. These are the people I will concern myself with, and invest my time in. | ||
| cryfreedom Intermediate Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 151 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
WELL SAID CATHERINE!!! I had to vent to Wayne today but I will try not to waste my time anymore on him!! Hey, are you going to the Closing? Would be great to see you and catch up. I will be on the front lawn for a bit in the afternoon----NOT setting foot in the building -----and then partying in town Sat. night. So hope to see you there. Take care and have a good week-------Dawn | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 219 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.117 |
Purggy.... He is certifiable in our humble opinions ... But, we are not sure if he has been yet!! Choose your words!!! I am going Dawnie!!!! I will see you there... And, secondly I asked Wayne privately why he chooses to stay and his answer: ------------------------------------------------- Wayne, Your anger is soooooooooooo apparent even if you can not recognize it. Stop looking for fights. In all honesty you are begining to disgust and frighten me.... Liane Liane My anger is well directed. Oh I know exactly what I am upset with and I am dealing with it like everyone else.... letting it be known on Factnet. I am beginning to disgust you - why ? Frighten you - why ? Wayne ------------------------------------------------- We have had other e-mails... But, I am not sharing them.... You all make your decesions... he is lost and in his own realm..... Your anger frightens me... it may be directed where you want it. I get that.... but the depth of it and the venom...comes from somewhere else... and possibly untapped and denied.... That is why it frightens me.... Even we don't spew forth what you do... and we use humor and ancedotes.... and we validate and re create other visions for our friends.... | ||
| purgatory Junior Member Username: purgatory Post Number: 46 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.95.149.195 |
Liane, thank-you for that insight, and yes in my humble/unprofessionl opinion I think this individual may need some professional help, although I do not know if he is certified....Now this is the last posting for me in regards to Wayne Rowe-I've exhausted enough of my time. | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 84 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.70 |
Amen to that Purg! My final posting as well. | ||
| wrowe New member Username: wrowe Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 69.55.41.190 |
No folks, I am completely sane and consider my words before they hit the page which is posted. I am able to see that there are stories, but from two different places. GCC and the CoJ. I also see that the horror stories revolve directly around stuff that occurred at the CoJ not GCC. This is confusing, and hopefully anyone else looking in from the outside - will take the time to figure this out. Go ahead and pass me up - I may however be making you think - really think about what happened. I also may be able to provide a seed which will allow you to continue on the path to future success. | ||
| sandrabrownearly Junior Member Username: sandrabrownearly Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 162.83.61.245 |
For 20 some years, the C of J, their teachings and their beliefs were of great importance to GCC. This is in my 82-83 yearbook: "Grenville Christian College has been very fortunate in having its spiritual foundation stones laid by Mother Cay and Mother Judy, the founders and directors of the Community of Jesus, Orleans, Massachusetts"..."Our family life, our response to our Christian call, and our effectiveness as a Christian boarding school are a direct result of their example and willingness, earnestly and honestly to follow our Lord." There are stories on here that happened at GCC, but you are correct in thinking that the mindset of the people involved were set or learned at the C of J. I just read "The Headmaster" by Father Haig and it really spells out the connection between the two communities and how important the C of J was to the spiritual path of GCC. "This college, Judy explained, "is like a twisted tree that must be hewn down to its very roots, in order that a tall, straight, fruit-bearing tree can grow up in it's place. Your methods, your ways of dealing with young people, your opinions, your plans have failed. So it's time to start all over again - this time, God's way....There is a way that pleases God, and brings prosperity and blessing, but it is exactly the opposite of the way you people have been living...it's call the Way of the Cross." This conversation took place in 1973 when M. Cay and M. Judy visited GCC for the first time. | ||
| sandrabrownearly Junior Member Username: sandrabrownearly Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 162.83.61.245 |
There is also a part of the book that talks about the local Anglican Bishop getting in touch with Haig and Farnsworth and then "almost a year later to the day in St. George's Cathedral, Kingston, ...Charles and I knelt before Bishop Henry Hill to receive the laying on of his hands in ordination." There is quite a few pages discussing their connection to the Anglican Church if anyone is interested. | ||
| alwyswndr New member Username: alwyswndr Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 76.4.186.45 |
I am very interested to hear the rest. Please continue. | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 85 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.10 |
Yes please do continue Sandra. This is very interesting. | ||
| iwonderwhy New member Username: iwonderwhy Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 83.209.23.51 |
Sandra, Are you saying that the theology or teachings of the Community of Jesus in Orleans, MA were foundational in the culture of abuse that evolved at GCC? What was the "Way of the Cross"? Were GCC's abusive techniques tied into that doctrine? | ||
| bonnieb Junior Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 50 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 136.160.250.253 |
I posted this under the A Bit of History - GCC thread Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 9:42 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was not at Grenville but was at the Community of Jesus for 2 1/2 years. I ordered a book called "Head Master" by J. Alastair Haig and read the history of how The Community of Jesus came to become the "mother cult" of Grenville. On April 28, 1973, Cay Anderson, Judy Sorenson, Fr. Art Lane and his wife Lenny, Tom Witter and Win Graham, all members of the CoJ, came to speak with the Grenville staff for 2 days. The visit turned into 2 weeks. To quote from the book, "Judy spoke first. God has given us a scripture verse to descibe what He is about to do here. The axe is laid to the root of the trees. This college is like a twisted tree that must be hewn down to its very roots, in order that a tall, straight, fruit-bearing tree can grow up in its place. Your methods, your ways of doing things, your philosophy of education, your ways of dealing with young people, your opinions, your plans have failed. So ti's time to start all over again - this time, God's way. There is a way that pleases God, and brings prosperity and blessing, but it is exactly the opposite of the way you people have been living...it's call the Way of the Cross. Cay then took up where Judy left off. The key is death to self. Jesus said, Except a grain of whet fall into the ground and die, it abides alone. But if it dies, it will bring forth much fruit. Pride, jealousy, disobedience, self-centeredness, self-satisfaction, willfulness - all these are enemies of God and stop His life from flowing here on this campus.You preach and talk a great deal about the Gospel around here, but you're not willing to really live it. There is a price to pay if you live for Jesus, and you people have not been willing to pay it. Those of you who are in leadership, you've got to be the first to change. If you don't change, there is absolutely no hope for this college. You leaders must take your place of authority and lead by a strong example. And Al Haig, I want you to stop smiling and nodding. It's all a cover up for a lot of hurt and anger underneath. You don't really mean it: it's painted on. You have got to begin to be more honest and real, by sharing your true feelings and hurts. And furthermore, stop saying "Praise the Lord" all the time. That, too, is just a cover-up, to hide a hurt little boy underneath. And one thing, Al: remember that our correction is not rejection. It's really love, when you stop and think about it." (Message edited by BonnieB on September 24, 2007) | ||
| bonnieb Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 51 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 136.160.250.253 |
The entire Grenville community went to visit the CoJ in two separate groups of 50. After the 2nd group visited, the Mothers called the Haig's into the Bethany living room. Judy spoke. "Cay and I believe that God has spoken to us today with regard to you, Al. We think that the only way you can ever change is to stay right here for a while. What do you think?" Time and time again, we've seen God work in situations just like this, and impossible as it seems, if we all obey God with an undivided heart, He will completely cover the fact that Al is not in his office to greet and talk with parents and students on opening day. Charles Farnsworth and his wife Betty will help you, along with all the other staff members. Rest assured that the God who has kept the College afloat through all these storms in the past, will guide her through the period ahead. Trust in Him completely and be obedient, and He will take care of all the rest." He stayed for 3 months while Mary went back to Canada. They wouldn't even allow him to speak with his wife on the phone. Once he tried to ask Helen Helms of the CoJ if she had spoken with his wife and she wouldn't tell him. He indicates that "her sole intent was to bring proud Al Haig, who thought more highly of himself than he ought, down to a place of genuine humility." He was assigned work duty and talks about his time there. "The first thing I needed to learn was obedience. I was always doing the wrong thing, utterly ignoring specific instructions". He tells the story of picking the wrong sized beans. Buzz Elmer of the CoJ said to him, "Al, most of the beans in your basket are too short. Don't you remember me telling you to pick the beans that are at least four inches long? And not to pick them if they were under? Your basket is full of unripe beans." Another man joined in, " Why didn't you simply do what you were asked to do? I know it seems trifling, Al, but it shows what we have been trying to tell you: you will not listen and obey instructions. How can you possibly expect your staff and students to be obedient, if you yourself don't know the meaning of the word?" The story goes on to tell of these two men "faithfully discharing their duty and pointing to my disobedience almost every day. A better recipe for producing a humble, broken and contrite heart could not be found. I repeatedly faced the fact that my nature was proud, disobedient and willful to the core, but by painful degrees, my haughty heart softened". He speaks of Hal and Helen Helms and how Helen would say "Al Haig, you get out of the stinking thinking right now! You're judging Hal and me, and I won't stand for it. You consider yourself better than us and anyone else in this universe. You're so high and mighty, a satellite tracking station couldn't reach you. Earth to Al - earth to Al - do you read me, Al?" The Helms' told him, "Whenever you have an ugly thought, you need to be honest and tell us about it. Bring those dark, jealous, judgmental thoughts up out of the darkness, and into the light, and they will die. You'll see. Confess them to us and to God, and they will slowly let go their hold on your mind." He eventually had to write down all of his bad thoughts in notebooks and give those to them every night. The final thing that I was left with from the book was this paragraph, "God had given us our beautiful college home for a fraction of its worth. All we had to do now was stay low, stay needy, stay open, and stay wrong, so that no pride, self-righteousness or rebellion would get in His way. " By the way, according to the book, you guys LOVED the "tough love" approach | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 87 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.18.190 |
Wow.Bizarre. I saw alot of the techniques that were used to break Al Haigs' will down implemented at Grenville. I'm also extremely curious about *why* the local Anglican Bishop himself later "got in touch" with Haig and Farnsworth and then in less than a year ordained them. If you know anything about the way the Anglican church works this is *extremely* irregular. I've never heard of ordination occurring in such a short period time, apparently skipping the necessary step of them becoming Deacons first. (Message edited by sheilac on September 24, 2007) | ||
| gcc_1981_grad Junior Member Username: gcc_1981_grad Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.51.146.194 |
I would also like to know about the Farnsworth/haig/anglican relationship and how the mothers fit into all of this. | ||
| sandrabrownearly Junior Member Username: sandrabrownearly Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 162.83.61.245 |
Both Haig and Farnsworth were already ordained ministers before the Anglican connection in Canada. Haig I believe was Evangelical and Farnsworth I think is Baptist...could be wrong about denominations, but both were definately ordained. Maybe their previous titles mean they can become Anglican priests quicker. (maybe...I don't really know.) As for the church contacting them, the book says that Father Flint in Maitland asked the Bishop to contact the school for a visit because he was so impressed with the work they were doing there. There is also a story about Archbishop Edward Scott, primate of the Anglican Church in Canada visiting Grenville. "Father Haig, I'm particularly impressed with the secure, family-type atmosphere I sense here. It's solid but warm. I believe you're re-discovered the secret of many great schools of the past: that discipline tempered with love brings out the best in young people." "Children need walls," he said (he being Scott), "up against which they can push. And they will test those walls - even try to push them over." His eyes twinkled with laughter, as he quietly continued, "If the succeed in pushing those walls over - if the walls give in under their pressure - they are very disappointed, hurt and angry. They feel let down." He paused. "But if the walls we give them hold securely, our young people will grown up confident and happy, knowing they can trust and depend on us." I believe this way of thinking is correct when it comes to raising children, but one of the most important part of that statement is the "tempered with love" part. | ||
| sandrabrownearly Junior Member Username: sandrabrownearly Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 162.83.61.245 |
I don't think there is a connection between the Mothers and the Anglican church...at least none that I can find. There is a site called http://www.communityofjesus.biz/ that says "In the earlier years, the Community of Jesus applied to become a part of both the Anglican and Episcopal churches. Both denominations rejected them as being "too cultish." As a result, the Community of Jesus has redefined themselves as self-styled "Benedictines" ... however, real Benedictines are Catholic and come together to do a work for God, a specific mission." I don't know where that info came from and can not verify it's accuracy. | ||
| sandrabrownearly Junior Member Username: sandrabrownearly Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 162.83.61.245 |
I believe that GCC's theology and way of living was directly fed from C of J until the late '90's. The C of J held this supreme leadership/teaching position over several affiliated churches. My sisters and I belonged to "Living Waters" here in Maryland. When we joined, the church was in the thick of it with the C of J. Everyone that was a part of that church before C of J says that the pastor and his wife were caring, loving people until they bought into the C of J way of thinking. I didn't know them then...my only memories of them are not caring or loving at all. Mostly they were mad...all the time. No one ever did anything correctly. Being called out and berated in front of the church was every childs fear in that church..adults too. That church dissolved and the pastor, his wife and their children moved to the C of J. The only photo I have from that time is of their U-Haul van pulling out of the driveway! But maybe that's why GCC was not a shock to my system...it was actually toned down from that pastor and his wife...at least to me. | ||
| gcc_1981_grad Junior Member Username: gcc_1981_grad Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.52.180.34 |
Sandra can you e-mail me? rhv@sympatico.ca | ||
| strength Junior Member Username: strength Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.119.192 |
Sheilac... where did you read that the Anglican Bishop got in touch with Haig and Farnsworth and later ordained them in less than a year? Is that in the Headmaster book? I am wondering this because it says in a GCC newsletter that they were "ordered Deacons by their Bishop" six months before being ordained. Was this the truth? I guess I'm just wondering if the Headmaster book (which I don't have a copy of) and the newsletters fail to line up with each other... This could be important as it may suggest that something was being covered up. The newsletter describing the ordination was printed in May 1978. | ||
| bonnieb Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 52 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 170.215.130.223 |
Does anyone know what the MacDonald-Stewart Foundation is? In the book "Headmaster", it states that Mother Cay and Mother Judy announced to the entire Community of Jesus while Al Haig was living there that GCC was given a grant of fifty thousand dollars from the MacDonald-Stewart Foundation. I wonder what the CoJ had to do with securing that money? The book indicates that Frank Case had influenced the MacDonald Stewart and the Windsor Foundations. Also according to the book, Charles Farnsworth and Al Haig acted as altar assistants at St. James Anglican Church in Maitland. Charles had been raised in the Episcopal Church. Fr. Flint told Charles that he should be a priest and contacted Bishop Henry Hill. The book talks about the months of being guided by Bishop Hill and then they were ordained at St. George's Cathedral, Kingston. I can't find the dates of this in the book. | ||
| gcc_1981_grad Junior Member Username: gcc_1981_grad Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.52.180.34 |
I am not sure that the mothers would have anything to do with securing that money from the foundations. They are Canadian foundations. It is common practice for charitable organizations to secure funds form foundations. Foundations are set up to donate money to not for profit registered charities.. GCC is one. The foundations probably gave money for the building up keep or something like that. I could be wrong though.. You can do a search on the internet and find other organizations that have received funds from these foundations. By comparing all the organizations who have received funds you can get a pretty good idea of the mandate of the foundatins | ||
| strength Junior Member Username: strength Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.119.192 |
The May 1978 GCC Newsletter says that there were three clergy who OFFICIATED at the ordination of Haig and Farnsworth: 1. Rev. Dr. Bardsley, retired Bishop of Coventry, England. 2. Rev. Henry Hill, Bishop of the Diocese of Ontario, and 3. Father Arthur Lane of the Community of Jesus If there is no connection between the Anglican Church, GCC, and the Community of Jesus, how could C of J clergy OFFICIATE at the Anglican ordination of GCC Priests? Wouldn't the Anglican Church in Ontario have to have allowed or sanctioned Lane to take that important role? | ||
| bonnieb Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 170.215.130.223 |
New York Times Archives Cay M. Andersen, 75, Episcopal Lay Figure October 7, 1988 Cay M. Andersen, a faith healer and co-founder of the Community of Jesus, a residential religious community based in Orleans, Mass., died of heart failure in her sleep on Wednesday at her home in Orleans. She was 75 years old. Mrs. Andersen, known in the community as Mother Cay, and Judy H. Sorensen, both lay members of the Episcopal Church, founded the community 30 years ago in an effort to bring about reconciliation among the various Christian denominations and to develop healing as a way of life. The ecumenical community of 300 adults and children, as well as 500 nonresident members, includes among its residents 12 members of the clergy from five denominations. The community also has become a focal point for religious music, in particular a movement to preserve the Gregorian chant, an ancient form of worship, in collaboration with Benedictine monks and nuns in France. Earlier this year Mrs. Andersen and Mrs. Sorensen had an audience with Pope John Paul II in recognition of their spiritual work. Mrs. Andersen was born in East Weymouth, Mass., and atttended the Vesper George Art School in Boston. She is survived by her husband, John W. Andersen. | ||
| gcc_1981_grad Junior Member Username: gcc_1981_grad Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.52.180.34 |
I definitely want to know about this piece of the puzzle. | ||
| bonnieb Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 54 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 170.215.130.223 |
http://www.osb.org/aba/news/3002/monast.html Volume 30, Nr. 2, June 2000 Richardton, ND 58652 Monastery Tales Introducing the Community of Jesus The Community of Jesus calls every member to a living and growing faith in Jesus Christ. He is the source of our life, both individually and corporately. Our life together is possible only in him. We are ordinary people called to live beyond the ordinary. By his grace, we are called out of our various backgrounds to form a living body of believers seeking to express this call in the ordinary routine of daily life. Through the centuries, Christians have gathered to form communities in which they have supported one another in prayer, work and fellowship. In that enduring tradition, each generation of the church has brought forth its own fresh expressions of a common life, in which people join together to live out their commitment of love and service to God, to each other and to the world. On a small plot of land overlooking Rock Harbor, MA, that commitment has taken the form of an ecumenical abbey in the Benedictine monastic tradition. Members of the community, who come from a wide variety of denominational backgrounds and occupations, make professions according to their rule, including vows of stability and conversion of life. Today there are approximately 160 professed members, and another 60 children and young people, who live in privately owned homes surrounding the church and guesthouse. In addition, some 25 celibate brothers and 60 celibate sisters live in their respective houses (Zion Friary and Bethany Convent). | ||
| bonnieb Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 55 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 170.215.130.223 |
The beginnings of the community can be traced to the meeting in 1958 of two Episcopal laywomen, Cay M. Andersen and Judy H. Sorensen. Involved in the charismatic renewal at that time, their emerging prayer and teaching ministry attracted the attention and support of a small group of single women who moved to join them on the grounds on the shores of Cape Cod Bay, and committed themselves to a covenantal relationship with one another. Several families soon followed, compelled by a sense of vocation to share in this common life of prayer and work. Not long thereafter, in 1970, the Community of Jesus was formally constituted. From its inception, the community has sought faithfully to embody a three-fold commitment to conversion of life, reconciliation in the Body of Christ, and the worship of God. Conversion is seen as a lifetime process of personal change, by which a life centered in self is transformed into the new life in Christ. Such change requires the support and love of others, as well as the daily interaction and honest exchanges which are essential parts of authentic community living. Each of the 35 homes within the community is made up of more than one family, often with multiple generations represented, a kind of microcosm of the community as a whole. This sort of mix makes for a sense of extended family within each household, and gives countless practical opportunities for bearing one another's burdens toward the goal of following Christ. Members of the Community of Jesus come from many walks of life and differing denominational backgrounds, including Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Congregational, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Roman Catholic, and Pentecostal. Together with the challenges presented by such variety, they have discovered both enrichment and strength in this diversity, as they endeavor to realize a unity that is greater than the differences that have historically divided churches and denominations. The community is committed to forwarding the ecumenical vision of reconciliation in the Body of Christ laid down by the founders, and to that end they pray daily. The worship of God, which includes Eucharist, the Liturgy of the Hours, home prayers, and private devotion, is the heart of the community's life together. Fundamental to its spiritual life, the Eucharist is celebrated daily. The liturgy, presided over by one of the twelve clergy who serve at the community, incorporates forms and prayers shared by most major branches of the church, rooted in both early Christian sources and contemporary expressions. The Liturgy of the Hours is chanted in Latin (the readings and prayers are in English), according to a modified structure and psalm distribution based loosely on the Thesaurus Liturgia Horarum Monasticum. The community is committed to preserving and cultivating the use of Gregorian chant, not only as a repository of a long-standing and sacred tradition but, more importantly, as a living and contemporary experience of prayer. Essential to and augmenting this corporate prayer are the daily intercessions made in each household, as well as the prayer and scripture study done by each individual (lectio divina). | ||
| bonnieb Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 56 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 170.215.130.223 |
The occupations of household community members are richly varied, including privately owned businesses, medical personnel, teachers, authors, musicians, electricians, carpenters, plumbers, architects, lawyers and artists. Although members are financially responsible for themselves, they are committed to sharing one another's needs. In this way, spiritually, all members hold all things in common and for the common good. The brothers and sisters, for the most part, are engaged in work at home, in the extensive music and art programs, study and teaching, writing, maintaining the church, retreat house and grounds, and in the business offices. In addition to their work inside or outside the community, many members volunteer their time in local government, school committees, the town fire and rescue teams and various charitable organizations. Raising children within the context of a "monastic community" presents its own particular blessings and challenges. As they might be in an intimate small town or a tightly knit residential neighborhood, the children are cared for by a multitude of "aunts" and "uncles." There is a deep sense of mutual responsibility for their upbringing. Many of the community's programs are designed to incorporate their talents as well as to shape their affections, including various education, artistic and musical groups, sporting projects, work programs, travel opportunities, and family activities. The children attend the local public and private schools, and some are home-schooled. At the conclusion of their high school education, they are encouraged to take a year off from studies, during which time they begin to discern what part (if any) the community is to have in their future. In 1988, one of the founders, Cay Anderson, died. This marked a significant transition point as the community moved from governance by its original charismatic leadership to the establishment of a structure and "rule" (still in its provisional stages) designed to perpetuate future leadership while remaining faithful to the original vision. It was especially in the ensuing years that the community found the Benedictine model to be most adaptable and helpful to its formation process. The resulting structure of the Community of Jesus is patterned after such monastic traditions. The rule provides for three types of membership. Resident members, who engage in a lengthy process of discernment and formation, make professions which, at the level of solemn vows, include conversion (dedication to a humble, patient following of Christ), stability (a promise to make this community one's life home), and obedience (commitment to the authority of God and to the rule of the Community of Jesus). Oblate members do not live in community but, through the profession of an "Oblate Covenant," are part of the life and call of the whole. They maintain membership in their own parishes, participating in a variety of activities at the community, and living according to a "Rule of Life" for oblates. Diaconal members are associated with the community, but are involved less intensely in retreats and group life than are oblates. The authority of the Community of Jesus is vested in an elected prioress, assisted by a council, a board of directors and the clergy. Together, they oversee the spiritual and administrative life of the community. The sisters and brothers each have their respective heads and councils who serve under the direction of the prioress. Other boards and committees assist in various capacities, so that the many responsibilities for day-to-day living and ministry are shared by members. | ||
| bonnieb Member Username: bonnieb Post Number: 57 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 170.215.130.223 |
The mission of the Community of Jesus is primarily its life of prayer and its members' commitment to God and to each other. This mission is reflected and furthered in various kinds of ministry and outreach: retreats, the live-in program (by which people may live in a community home for brief or extended periods of time, involving themselves at various levels in the daily life and work), Paraclete Press (a multi-media publishing firm), Gloria Dei Artes (a foundation which incorporates a variety of performing arts and musical groups, including Gloria Dei Cantores, an internationally acclaimed choir dedicated to glorifying God through performance and visual arts), and Cross Point (a quarterly ecumenical journal). Most recently, the community has been engaged in an extensive building project, the first phase of which will conclude on June 17 with the dedication of the new Church of the Transfiguration. Designed in a basilican style, the 55 foot high church is built, inside and out, of Minnesota limestone, and will eventually incorporate a thorough artistic program of stone carving, bronze work, glass, mosaic and fresco. You can find out more about the Community of Jesus, and the Church of the Transfiguration, by either writing to P.O. Box 1094, Orleans, MA 02653; or by visiting the Web site at <www.communityofjesus.org/>. Rev. Martin Shannon Community of Jesus | ||
| strength Junior Member Username: strength Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.119.192 |
Bonnieb, I want to figure it all out too. Here's something really strange: The April 77 GCC newsletter says that FF and FH "are to be ordered Deacons in the Anglican Church" on June 11 (77), and "will be subsequently ordained Priests on September 29" (77). So that would be only 3 1/2 months between being ordered Deacons and being ordained Priests. But then the May 1978 Newsletter says that they were ordered Deacons "six months ago"... so that the Deacon-hood would have occurred in Nov. 77 (not June 77), and the ordination, I'm assuming would have been in March or April of 78 (not Sept 77). Anyone have any insight into why they seem to have been saying two different things about the timing of these events? Wouldn't the dates have been set and then kept? | ||
| strength Junior Member Username: strength Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.119.192 |
After looking at the old GCC newsletters (and other sources), the connection between GCC and C of J seems so intrinsic and obvious. Examples? 1. Paraclete Press, the publisher of "Al Who?", (Rev. Alistair Haig's book about being the Headmaster of GCC) is owned by the C of J. 2. As I've said above, Father Arthur Lane from the C of J officiated at the Anglican ordination of FF and FH in Kingston. 3. Here's how Father Haig describes the influence of C of J's influence on GCC. He says Mother Cay and Judy "began to show and teach us how to live the changed life", and "As a result, the whole school changed: -its direction, -its philosophy, -its discipline, - its spirit and atmosphere, - even its appearance changed." When you read FH's actual words describing C of J and its relationship to GCC.... How much more broad-sweeping (and cult-like) could C of J's influence be? 4. C of J affected students too. In the June 1977 GCC newsletter a grade 7 student writes a testimonial to Grenville saying that he is "gradually getting to know what it means to be wrong". He attributes this change in him to a retreat he attended at the school, facilitated by the C of J. (He was only in grade 7, for God's sake!!) 4. "Friends of Grenville", (an organization of parents and supporters) held a banquet in 1981, at a church in Thornhill, and invited the C of J to facilitate. 5. Rev. Peter Marshall (from the C of J) wrote the Guest Editorial for the GCC Newsletter of April 1977. 6. Several of these early newsletters have announcements for retreats at the school facilitated by Mothers Cay and Judy. It seems so clear to me now. | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 88 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.66.73.59 |
It's from The Headmaster book, Bonnie. Sandra mentions it in one of her earlier posts in this thread: sandrabrownearly wrote: There is also a part of the book that talks about the local Anglican Bishop getting in touch with Haig and Farnsworth and then "almost a year later to the day in St. George's Cathedral, Kingston, ...Charles and I knelt before Bishop Henry Hill to receive the laying on of his hands in ordination." | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 92 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.66.73.59 |
The connection between GCC and the Anglican church seems extremely clear to me as well, strength. How the Anglicans can continue to attempt to deny it is beyond me. The fact that Rev. Dr. Bardsley, retired Bishop of Coventry, England, Rev. Henry Hill, Bishop of the Diocese of Ontario, and *Father Arthur Lane of the Community of Jesus* officiated at Haigs' and Farnsworths' ceremony is particularly indemnifying for the Anglicans. This is all fascinating if Byzantine stuff to try to make sense of. What a tangled web! (Message edited by sheilac on September 24, 2007) | ||
| tabby1979 Member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 69 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
Hi Strength - remember the Europe trip?? That was in 1978 during the spring break (March) and I believe they were priests then. I am only going on memory tho .... | ||
| poormanspudding New member Username: poormanspudding Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 64.40.180.98 |
I remember the student body going to the ordination at St. James Cathedral in Kingston. I was sitting there watching the pomp and circumstance and noticed that the background organ music -- or as Mr. Gillis used to call it organ "noodling", was a song I knew. The organist was playing "Tubular Bells" (I am completely serious). If you remember, Tubular Bells was the theme music for the Exorcist. I remember feeling a couple of things. One was shock that it was being played in a cathedral and two, I seemed to be the only one who recognised the song. Very strange but true. | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 96 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.238 |
 That is absolutely...priceless! I love it! | ||
| strength Junior Member Username: strength Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 192.197.95.253 |
Yah, too funny. Maybe it was some sort of fusion ceremony, an amalgamation of exorcism and ordination. You'd get more bang for your buck that way. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 228 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.143 |
Straight freaking up!! If you all wanted a COFJ and GCC connection... I coulda helped ya out... A long time ago!! Secondly, that tubular bells thing... made me wanna wet my pants!! I am serious and not because it was funny.... because it scared the crap outta me.... I believe their is a fine line between Religion and satanaticness... <<<--- Not sure of the word I am looking for... | ||
| familylove New member Username: familylove Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.95.137.192 |
Please see my posting under "Class Action Update" for information from the Brockville OPP regarding filing a complaint re: criminal investigation. | ||
| strength Junior Member Username: strength Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 192.197.95.253 |
Check this out: Before the media attention, the Director of the Anglican Diocese of Ontario, (Canon Wayne Varley) stated this about the relationship between GCC and the Anglican Church: "Grenville had an ongoing relationship with our Diocese mainly through Bishop Bruce and several of his predecessors who provided support as Episcopal visitor. Canon Geoff Jackson is the Board Chair and the Rev. Gord Mintz is the Headmaster." But after the birdpoop hits the media fan, here's the new spin: “There is no direct relationship at all between the Anglican Church of Canada and Grenville Christian College,” said Canon Geoff Jackson, board chair of the school, based in eastern Ontario. “The references to it being an Anglican school are not true.” It was "an on-going relationship", no, wait, actually it was "no relationship". | ||
| familylove New member Username: familylove Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.95.137.192 |
Hi Bonnieb and others. This is exactly the type of information the church and especially the OPP are looking for, so they can have a handle on the precidence set and the formation of the school. They would like to have the background and who was involved from the beginning so they can attest to the fact that this school truly was based on a cult. Please forward this information to them and thanks for all the research you have done. It is really important to have the WHOLE story come forth. TB OPP address and contact is posted again under class action yesterday | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 100 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.66.73.3 |
Strength, do you know what the source is for that quote from Canon Wayne Varley? | ||
| purgatory Member Username: purgatory Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.95.149.195 |
Diocese of Ontario News & Events lists which is under the umbrella of Google groups..Wayne Varley speaks of an ongoing relationship... Posted July 31,2007. I'm very novice when it comes to the computer, but if I can find more info I will certainlty share. | ||
| purgatory Member Username: purgatory Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.95.149.195 |
Bishop's Charge to Synod dated Nov 10 2006 speaks of a realtionship with GCC in teaching layman to be ministers-this can also be found in the google group Diocese of Ontario News, and Events List. There seems to be some connection with Wycliff College (UofT) and GCC. It just boggles my mind to hear someone say there was no reltionship with GCC-when someone like me who is nearly useless with this computer can so easily find articles that are quite contrary to what the Anglican Church is saying. Hope this helps as well | ||
| nabashalam Senior Member Username: nabashalam Post Number: 1673 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 75.128.244.102 |
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19512/grenville-christian-college-11 | ||
| heatherbell New member Username: heatherbell Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
wayne, (ugh, you disgust me) anyway, F.Farnsworth may think he is at peace with God, but only God truly knows that. He is in for a shock when he gets to those pearly gates feeling all confident...yes indeedy doo | ||
| heatherbell New member Username: heatherbell Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
dignityquest, any chance you could paste the article from today on here? i don't have a subscription so i can't see it... | ||
| dignityquest Junior Member Username: dignityquest Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 99.228.175.126 |
Hi Heather: This was form Saturday's paper. As far as I know, it is the last article. Regards, DQ (jeff) http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071005.wjesuschurch0610/BNStory/International/ | ||
| heatherbell New member Username: heatherbell Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Hi, okay, thanks, i did read that one. I am still catching my breath from finding that this is all finally coming out....let me know if there are any more articles please?? Thanks so much!! Heatherbell (alias) |
