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breaker_19_girl
Intermediate Member
Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 208
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.187.49.29
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 11:34 am: | 
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Hi all:
Seriously, we are not going to change certain people.... Nobody can change another, and this is fact. A person has to want to change.
As far as nay sayers on this forum go... we have all responded to them, some of us a lil more charghed than others. Some of us in private etc... He is enjoying what he is doing and taunting you and if you allow it.... It will make you crazy!! My advice ... is to ignore and move on... gloss and skim posts like that. Don't fight back.... choose your fights and disagreements! Some people are not worth your spit, time and energy....
I personally believe this board is promoting healing.... I also know in order for others to heal we have to create a safe enviroment for them. I beleive many more will come. We do this by sharing, connecting and validating. We also share a story or two along the way of strength. I agree bashing and bashing promotes anger. Although, I do not think we are doing this...I see soloutions all the time on here.
But, I also believe that "IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME". And, so our job here is to focuss on the incoming and welcome them and create happyness and safeness for them. If we continue to try and debunk the venom spewers then we are loosing our foccuss...
Besides if we want a devils advocate and another opinion and we want somebody who has a lil bit of all wrapped in them... We have Jason ... He is atleast willing to validate and have empathy and try to see the other side. He does not share all we have to say... But, he has been diplomatic and friendly and honest.....
So fawk the venom spewers and if they dont go away, get a moderator involved. But, dont encourage and try to change it... you are asking for trouble...
My opinion....
Liane |
sheilac
Member
Username: sheilac
Post Number: 72
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.54.18.207
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 11:49 am: |
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Hey chica,
I noticed last night that it seemed that the Stepfords were taking over the board and by ignoring them and letting them rant on, they are drowning out other voices and creating an unsafe environment for new people to post in which is no doubt their plan. They are aggressive--they are here on a mission and their mission is not to change our understanding but simply to drown us out and shut us down. It is naive to think they will go away if we simply ignore them. They will just continue spamming this forum with their asinine opinions until nobody feels safe posting anymore. So I for one am TAKING THIS FORUM BACK even if it means I have to attempt to deprogram them, one by one.
My opinion ;).
(Message edited by sheilac on September 22, 2007) |
breaker_19_girl
Intermediate Member
Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 210
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.187.49.29
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:12 pm: |
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Although I agree we have to take back our forum, I for one think we have only one corrupt indivdual... Who will go away... I have to believe that..... Everyone else has loaded opinions, although they are nice about it and validating and not scarey...
Luff and stchuff... Moi.... |
wrowe
New member
Username: wrowe
Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 69.55.41.190
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 8:58 pm: |
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Interesting thread, call in the moderators if you can't deal with someone. Wow ! Do you complainers do anything for yourself, or do you all still act like a bunch of babies still.
Grow up and start working out your problems. The O.P.P could be reading your posting and if you really want to do some damage - it starts here.
But of course, I also warn you that Slander is against the law also.
Ha, what a crock - You want to damage the image of Grenville and that has been done through the media. Everyone following the story no longer knows what to believe.
But you can't honestly open yourself up to possible slander - and state the truth unless you have some way of proving your comments are true to at least yourself, and possibly the courts if you go that route.
Like another post of mine today I will state...
Your statements better hold the truth, or your greatest fear will be the wrath of God.
Wayne R
Grad 81
wrowe@ruggedwest.com |
breaker_19_girl
Intermediate Member
Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 216
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.187.49.159
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 9:35 pm: |
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You know Wayne,
I responded to you... But, then I realized this is not the forum to appeal to you in. Or spew the venom that you seem to like... So, I responded privately... |
tiny
New member
Username: tiny
Post Number: 1
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 70.50.215.250
| | Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 2:41 pm: |
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Wayne, I remember you, and what I remember you did not experience anything these people are talking about. You cannot judge others because you did not experience this yourself. I DID! I know they are speaking the truth. You are entitled to your opinion, but you have no right to speak to these people in this way. As for the wrath of God, the COJ and most of the staff of GCC will hopefully experience it for what they have done to the students. People who go through this sort of thing experience things, and feel things they cannot explain, they do not even know why they are feeling these things and many convince themselves it foolishness and try to brush it off. I know this from experience. I have been through therapy. I still have problems. We are not complaining, we are seeking healing and closure. Maybe you are in the wrong forum. You should start you own and find all those who feel the same as you. I'll bet it would be a quiet forum. |
sheilac
Member
Username: sheilac
Post Number: 80
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.54.16.70
| | Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 4:17 pm: |
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"But you can't honestly open yourself up to possible slander-and state the truth unless you have some way of proving your comments are true to at least yourself and possibly the courts if you go that route". What the hell are you talking about??! I feel bound to point out that this fine Grenville education you keep talking about doesn't seem to have taught you how to make any rhetorical sense. |
edgeandrea
New member
Username: edgeandrea
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 99.225.84.158
| | Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 6:16 pm: |
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Wayne. don't know you, (don't think I am missing much) haven't said alot on this site for a bunch of reasons, but I have one question for you.
What could a well adjusted individual possibly hope to gain by being the single voice of dissent on a board that is clearly not designed for your needs? Why don't you start your own message board called "RA RA GCC" or something? I think I know one or two people who might enjoy your ramblings? Or...could it be that you enjoy harassing people and generally being the unpleasant stick in the mud. hmmmmmmmmmm...
These people are telling the truth, and anyone who attended there knows it. Some stories are worse and some are better, end of story. Your comments are now completely irrelevant, useless and only mildly entertaining. Your very odd. You should be embarrassed. Just slink away and be forgotten. |
breaker_19_girl
Intermediate Member
Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 217
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.187.48.117
| | Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:08 pm: |
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Wow....
Mostly I am impressed.... especially with edgeandrea! Good one...
He wont change... he enjoys it.... He has no base for his dumbass stuff.....
Wanted to make the wrath comment myself as did tiny... but, was ot going to open it up....
the only God that has wrath is the one GCC taught about.... |
wrowe
New member
Username: wrowe
Post Number: 15
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 69.55.41.190
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 6:53 am: |
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Is there something seriously wrong with acknowledging the good ? Why can't you all consider the good that came out of your experience at GCC ?
I read postings on this site and would have to think twice about being a returning student.
Come on, really think about this. You apparently hated Grenville, and now for some have waited 20yrs before saying anything was wrong with the place.
Seriously, were you all pansies ? Afraid to speak to your parents that were spending thousands of dollars to send you to Grenville ?
I can guarantee you all that if my first at Grenville - was Grenhell - I wouldn't have returned. Think about it - you had the ability to tell your parents, how bad it was anytime you were home.
Wake up folks, you the students that had homes away from GCC - are as much to blame for your complaints now as GCC.
You put up with it - and many of you returned year after year. Were you so withdrawn you couldn't tell your parents what was going on ?
Seriously do any of you think your parents would have paid $10,000+ for tuition if they knew what is being reported on this site ?
Liane, I have a base. A base of being an adult, and the freedom to express my opinion. As I have stated to you privately - as hard nosed as i can be - to make each and everyone posting on Factnet to really think about what happened.
GCC was not a prison, we were not held against our will.
Are you all going to try and tell me that you didn't have any opportunity to say what was happening ?
You direct your hate at Fr. Farnsworth however you mention staff abusing you. Get your facts straight - direct the abuse to those that may
have hurt you. But also stop and think - Maybe I should have said something to someone...
Someone at the school, police, parents, cousins.
If you scream loud enough and long enough someone would pay attention. That is what is happening now - someone decided to start yelling and now everyone is taking note.
Give me a break - Grow up. It took you 20 yrs to develop the ability to speak up for yourselves ? Wow, GCC taught us all more than to shut up and get beat down... I recall being "built" up feeling that I could conquer the world when I left.
Of course before that i was at public school where the teachers couldn't care less, called me stupid, felt that I was retarded. Even after graduation at GCC and being away from the public schools for two years.. I bumped into one of my teachers - he immediately came up with some student comment and asked me if i was learning to be seamstress.
Should I seek out this demented individual and charge him with abuse ? Hell no.
Deal with your supposed healing - which will not amount to much from what I can see happening here. Go on ruining your lives because - woe is me I had a bad time at school.
Everyone of you needs to grow up, get over what ever happened through some professional counselling and move on. Spinning your wheels about stuff that happened 20 yrs ago is so counter productive.
Do you realize, the amount of time you fuss and fume over the past - what you could have accomplished ?
Are any of you complaining - Managment where you work ? Owner's of business ? Do you have goals in your life or are you just happy to get by ?
Come on fill my private email and let me know that you are capable of seriously sitting down and thinking about more than the past which can't be changed. Let me know that you have something important in your life... Let me know you have goals, and have become something.
Wayne
Grad 81
wrowe@ruggedwest.com |
papillon
Member
Username: papillon
Post Number: 59
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 24.40.146.45
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 7:30 am: |
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Wayne: Do you consider yourself a Christian?
If so, how do you define that? |
gcc_1981_grad
Junior Member
Username: gcc_1981_grad
Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.52.183.26
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:08 am: |
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I am sorry Wayne, but you are asking a lot of people to devote a lot of energy towards you in order to satisfy some personal agenda of yours..., I do not think I have time for you at the moment.., perhaps in a few months we can talk. Until then, you might get some of your answers by doing a bit of research. |
delight_session
New member
Username: delight_session
Post Number: 9
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 131.137.245.197
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:24 am: |
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Payne.
You create the illusion you are empowered through righteouseness only to seek empowerment through your solicitation of correspondance from members so you may gain leverage through hearing of their personal hurt and fears. It seems you did learn something at GCC as you certainly didnt develop your writing skills ... or perhaps you are just drunk when you post. |
stephenklein86
New member
Username: stephenklein86
Post Number: 9
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 130.63.237.59
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 11:55 am: |
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I've read many opinions and stories, even including wrowe's, and each has points. However, I find Wayne's inability to listen and simply spouting of opinion too counter productive to give full weight of merit. Wayne, if you read this, understanding and respecting a person's opinion does not mean you must agree with it. Your lack of respect shows either an immaturity that makes your claim to be an "adult" incongruous OR perhaps you have much deeper feelings toward GCC (positive or negative) than you realize. If you wish to state your opinion, do so without attacking others at the same time. You disagree with them, good, tell them why, don't just imply that everyone is a whiner since they have waited for so long to final speak their minds. Opinions do not have a statute of limitations.
Please don't waste my or anyone else's time with knitpicking my comments but I look forward to a rational intellectual response. |
breaker_19_girl
Intermediate Member
Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 226
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.187.48.210
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 12:46 pm: |
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Stephen,
lianeross@porchlight.ca .... E-mail me please.
Wayne:
Again, I see mature and rational responses without venom from these people to you.
Seriously, after advice and pondering I am of the mind that if you want a "RAH RAH GCC forum" then you have to create one. This forum is created in a specific area with specific reason... We are doing what we are supposed to be doing here. THAT IS FACT! If you want pork rinds you do not go to a Kosher deli, if you want a satin and lace bridal gown then dont go to the power tool section of Home Depot. Pretty basic and common sense I would think...
So, I wish you luck and I hope you are able to create the forum you want somewhere else. I for one will respect your forum and the opinions of your friends on your forum by not trying to convert them. I will not even vist!! I have a theory if I am not wanted, I don't go.
I have mentioned in private that I too am now of the opinon of GCC 81 and I can't possibly make time for you right now... Good bye and good luck!
Liane |
jes_noonan
Intermediate Member
Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 110
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 67.70.18.204
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 12:58 pm: |
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Wayne: something that I found very interesting about your post was the fact that you stated you had a very hard time in public school and yet thrived at GCC. You suffered in a system where individualism was ok, cliques were the norm and you had to get things done on your own...very much what the real world is like. Yet apparently you came out of the GCC system where the emphasis was on uniformity and discipline as "the king of the world". Have you ever considered the possibility that GCC was more beneficial to you than most because it was the only system available that allowed you to keep up with others on a social and academic level? |
wrowe
New member
Username: wrowe
Post Number: 16
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 69.55.41.190
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 7:34 pm: |
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Whoa Hang on... Yes I had difficulties in the public school system. I was an introvert to the max. Staff through my life at public schools considered me stupid and I had a barrage of tests done at the Toronto Sick Kids hospital.
I was told to select a career in which I wouldn't have to do anything more than learn a trade - and then stick with it. No offense to those reading these - but I was told that I should be mechanic, warehouse worker, etc..
My parents, knew I was better than that and through discussions with their friends - the Haig's I ended up touring GCC.
Within my first few weeks of class with Miss Case - she found out that I knew what was going on in class but wasn't participating. She told me to stand up, and answer a question. Which I did. Then she told me in front of the class that I would answer at least one question everyday until I started volunteering answers.
Someone cared enough about me to force me to do something I didn't want to do.
Papillon - Yes I considered myself a Christian.
defined, someone that has accepted Jesus into his life as savior and Lord.
Mr. Klein - I disagree with the general approach of the discussion. If healing is required, seek out counselling, because what I see online here only amounts to bashing.
What I am finding is that those that post here, are not able to deal with anything that crosses their paths. I am crossing everyone's pass and all I get is read the posts, dig deeper.. Guess what, I am asking everyone to do exactly that and seek out genuine help but no one is showing any signs of even considering what I am challenging you all to do.
One challenge is to email me privately... Liane is the only one.
Consider my questions, and maybe answer publicly but definitely take my posts and consider what I am saying.
Yes, I am taking a hard nose approach - because if what is being stated holds truth - you people need professional help not time with other wounded individuals complaining and sharing stories. |
priest_of_satan
Member
Username: priest_of_satan
Post Number: 51
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 99.229.62.21
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:52 pm: |
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I'm BAAAAAAAACK!
Hi Liane, luv ya babe!
My line has been drawn in the sand - the sad thing is that I do feel terrible for what happenned to the pre-1983ish crowd, staff kids and CofJ kids, no doubt. However, I agree with Wayne - I was in shite 24/7 and was tossed out <almost> in grade 12 when i was able to convince my mother that GCC was a HORRIBLE place for me to be. I knew that I was just being pi**y because I refused to conform to some very simple rules - I pushed my luck and got discplined bigtime. My mother looked at losing the 14k she had spent on tuition and decided to make me stay....much to my shagrin <sp?>.
There are very personal stories and information being shared on these boards - no doubt. Ruth's story is bizarre...however, it was bizarre at the CofJ - NOT GCC. Sorry Ruth, not to belittle your plight, trust me you have one - but why target GCC? They were a vehicle of the CofJ...GCC staff and F-squared drank the CofJ cool-aid it is painfully that simple. Go after the CofJ instead...that story goes WAY deeper than just being sent to GCC. Again, sorry Ruth but that is my position.
Jeff Glaves (83-88) took the strap, or vice-versa, for what his twin brother Todd did. I can say this we are close friends - THEY WERE TOTAL SHITE disturbers just like me. No way that those 2 look back and cry abuse - if they do then I'll see them with Bryce Munro saturday on the Polevault mats.
There are also other stories that are being "blown up" to be bigger and out of context - I went to school with most of the principle's of this quest and don't agree whatsoever BECAUSE some of these individuals are "coming out" with info that was direclty shared with me at the time we were at school - and it does not match what is being printed and "Shouted atop the mountain." I have a good memory and some of the events are being embelished bigtime!!! |
priest_of_satan
Member
Username: priest_of_satan
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 99.229.62.21
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:56 pm: |
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NOT ENOUGH SPACE
}19 years ago - these events occurred - I was called a priest of satan...now I am the Devil's Advocate <thanks>.
Did that beat me down to the point that I can no longer function - Absolutely not. Am i so special than everyone else that I can move on? Absolutely not.
This crusade to hammer Gord Mintz, F-Squared and GCC is nuts...only from the standpoint of going after monetary gain. GORD MINTZ? The quietest most respectful guy at GCC???? GIVE ME A BREAK. How dare people go messing with this type of person. My suggestion is be careful who you go after b/c there are "stout hearted men/women" that will step up and take it on the chin for Grenville. <loved>
The defrocking I guess I can deal with - I have made points that have •••••• people off to no end - whatever. Does no one stop to think about who this suit is actually truly hurting? What about the staff that are left without pensions and places to live. Has anyone stepped up and invited them to live in their new guest home from the raping and pillaging that will be these suits? I think not - lots of christian preaching and healing mumbo-jumbo but definitely seeing ignorance to who is going to get hurt here BUT MOSTLY this valid question is being ignored by the accusers here. Did Dave Poth and his family treat everyone so badly? Did the Bayles, who were the epitomy of neutral, do anything truly wrong to anyone?
Unfortunately what happenned at GCC is life - If the strap was allowed still perhaps all this "mental" abuse wouldn't have happenned - I know I deserved a good whack or two for my hijinx...and yes, I think so lowly of myself to look back and understand that, that type of discipline kept dumbasses in line.
Healing I am all for - money hungry "I have a •••••• life and I am going to blame GCC staff as a whole, not even maybe. |
jes_noonan
Intermediate Member
Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 111
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 99.224.147.250
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:00 pm: |
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Thanks for proving me right Wayne.
As for e-mailing you privately, what's the point? What kind of challenge lies in sending an e-mail to you vs posting on here?
I've had time to consider what you've said. The school was good for you and quite frankly, based on what you've said, you probably would've failed anywhere else. That's cool...very happy for you. |
poormanspudding
New member
Username: poormanspudding
Post Number: 2
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 74.108.181.75
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:40 pm: |
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Great to have you back, POS! Your voice was missed and your view point is a much needed breath of fresh air. Could you email me? I'd like to chat.
poormanspudding@hotmail.com. |
sheilac
Member
Username: sheilac
Post Number: 97
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.54.17.228
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 11:04 pm: |
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Just wondering, why did FF give Jeff the strap for something Todd had done? And btw, whether you agree with it or not on principle, corporal punishment in the Ontario school system is illegal so FF giving anyone the strap was a criminal act.
All these philosophical musings about whether or not people should be "crying abuse" are irrelevant because the simple fact of the matter is, these people broke the law.
(Message edited by sheilac on September 25, 2007) |
purgatory
Junior Member
Username: purgatory
Post Number: 48
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 65.95.149.195
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 11:37 pm: |
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I'm also glad to have you back POS- I have always found you to be a voice of reason, and at times you have given me a much needed chuckle! So please dont go back to hell anytime soon-I need you here. |
breaker_19_girl
Intermediate Member
Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 232
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.187.49.64
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 4:44 am: |
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Please Dont go to hell... and if you do, leave the hand basket here!! Purggy is funny!
I adore Jes....
And well love you too Devils advocate!
I can't wait to see Bryce either... He was a neat lil kid... I liked him |
wagener84
Member
Username: wagener84
Post Number: 83
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 199.214.192.50
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 11:17 am: |
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I have to say I am also somewhat hesitant with respect to civil litigation in this case. Clearly there were a small "chosen" few who perpetrated much of the abuse and orchestrated the inner workings of the entire administration. I do not want to see any people who had nothing but love and nurturing in their hearts to go down in flames as a result of a lawsuit. Yes, most followed Farnsworth based on faith and a belief system..but not everyone was abusive. I just don't like to see a "scorched earth" approach. |
tomrossini
Member
Username: tomrossini
Post Number: 51
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.230.9.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 12:29 pm: |
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I have to agree with ShielaC...}corporal punishment in the Ontario school system is illegal so FF giving anyone the strap was a criminal act.
for that reason alone is why I am going to be talking to the OPP and file a complaint.
Regardless of what I did. NO one and I mean NO one has or had the right assault me / abuse me. |
tomrossini
Member
Username: tomrossini
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.230.9.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 12:32 pm: |
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I have to agree with ShielaC...}corporal punishment in the Ontario school system is illegal so FF giving anyone the strap was a criminal act.
for that reason alone is why I am going to be talking to the OPP and file a complaint.
Regardless of what I did. NO one and I mean NO one has or had the right assault me / abuse me. |
survivor1101
New member
Username: survivor1101
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 207.112.105.233
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 12:41 pm: |
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Wayne:
"What I am finding is that those that post here, are not able to deal with anything that crosses their paths."
Wow, when you get it wrong you really get it wrong. What I have found through KNOWING and talking to a few of these really wonderful but genuinely hurting people is that most of them HAVE overcome larger and more painful things than this. Personally, I have lost my mother, I have lost a child, and I CAN and DO overcome everything that is in my path. How DARE you say something like that without even knowing any of the people of whom you cast judgement on.
I find your point of view may well be valid, but you refuse to see how anyone else but your own point of view is valid at all. Well, here is a clue, there ARE other people in this world who are entitled to their voice, and have feelings and emotions. You have been asked on several occasions to stop. As you are obviously enjoying yourself too much to stop I can only assume that you are a major drama queen and are thriving on the attention that you get from being the voice of dissent. Well, yippee, you have your attention that you crave, now can you please shove off so that the rest of us can get on with what WE are doing???
Jason,
I can only assume that that Butter Bar and Prefect pin really went to your head, and that you find that you cannot climb down from the GCC pedestal long enough to investigate real life. I am glad that you are so wonderful and well-balanced. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps we are whining and ••••••••. But then what can you possibly be gaining by sitting here and trying to hurt people that are just •••••••• and whining?? I mean really? You might just want to take that and look at what deep seeded need is being fed by your constant posting of things aimed at hurting those people who have come here to talk, process and heal. Because really, that is pretty sick. |
bonnieb
Member
Username: bonnieb
Post Number: 59
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 136.160.250.253
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 12:50 pm: |
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I think we could learn something from the recent conviction of Warren Jeffs, the polygamous head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He was just convicted as an accomplice to rape for forcing a 14-year-old follower to marry her 19-year-old cousin.
He had the power and control, much like the CoJ, and is being held accountable for perverting and abusing his authority. However, the man to whom she was married was the rapist...he is still going to be responsible for committing the actual offense.
So, just because the CoJ did the training and had the power...and SHOULD be held responsible for their crimes... does not mean that the actual abusers should be let off the hook.
Many people in our prison systems are there because they were horribly abused as children. We feel so badly for the abuses that they suffered and realize that their behaviors were a result of the trauma's that they experienced, but they are still held accountable for their actions.
And what about a situation where a nice person marries a criminal and has children with them. They weren't the ones doing the criminal actions, and yet they will suffer as a result of their link to the criminal when he is convicted. They may lose a husband or children a father to incarceration. They may not be able to afford their home any longer because the bread winner is in jail or unable to be hired because of his conviction of a felony. The innocent suffer sometimes because of decisions they made to be involved with someone or something that was illegal or immoral. Should the criminal NOT be punished because of those not acting criminally who are in their lives?
Obviously, those that were not abusers at GCC and the CoJ should not be punished outright...but they may suffer as a result of their choices to be involved in something that they should have researched and left when they saw things that were not right. But those that DID abuse, no matter who taught them how or told them to do so, should have to suffer the consequences. |
poormanspudding
New member
Username: poormanspudding
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 64.40.180.98
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 1:40 pm: |
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bonnieb: Very interesting comment and one I'd like to explore.
"They may suffer as a result of their choices to be involved in something they should have researched and left when they saw things that were not right"
Perhaps this holds true for all things we "join" but usually emotions rule over reason. How often do we research prospective partners before getting involved? Or really dig deep into the background of clubs we join? In my experience, people buy into things for a million different reasons like their personal history, emotional make-up, their circumstances, their personal values and the social/cultural norms of the time. So perhaps for some, buying into GCC/CofJ was a perfect storm of all these things. Has anyone ever experienced believing so strongly in something (like a new lover/friend or ideology) that you can only see what you want to see no matter who tries to convince you otherwise? My parents sent me to GCC because I had quit school, was abusing drugs and alcohol and was running with a bad crowd. They were desperate to get me help. After I started at GCC my parents bought into the GCC/CofJ way of life 100%. My father was even peddling the "Headmaster" book to everyone he knew. My mother came to "live in" at GCC to learn how to raise me. (She actually landed in bed for that week with a migraine because she was so terrified of the light sessions she witnessed). Cay and Judy led a weekend retreat at GCC for "outsiders" to attend and my parents went and took a couple of friends with them. The friends were so upset by what happened at the retreat that they went to a cult investigator to look into the CofJ, GCC, Rochester etc... The investigator produced a detailed report which the couple gave to my parents and told them to get me out of GCC. My dad disregarded the report as rubbish and continued to support GCC/CofJ in any way he could. He believed very strongly that what GCC/CofJ was doing was the best thing for me. Thinking of it now -- I believe this was because his emotions were guiding him. He wanted so much for me to get "fixed" and GCC seemed to be fixing me. I don't know if I've made any sense here but this is a very complex topic where logic doesn't really factor in. |
strength
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Posted From: 192.197.95.253
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poormanspudding... Can that report be traced? |
poormanspudding
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strength;
A 30 year old report... doubtful that I can get my hands on it but I'll look into it. The couple who commissioned the report had lost a daughter to a cult and were therefore on high cult alert. I think that is part of the reason my father disregarded it because he thought the couple was overreacting because of their daughter's situation. |
strength
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It would be great if we could pull together as much documentation as possible, for the authorities to look at. |
bonnieb
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Poormanspudding...I agree that probably most of us jump into things before we really know what is deep down.
I personally married a man, accepting what was shown on the outside. It took a few years to find out what was going on underneath. I suffered greatly when the truth came out. Had I found out/really looked at things earlier, I probably could have left and suffered some but not to the extent that I did. But I didn't. I waited until it was too late and I lost pretty much everything except my life.
Was I a bad person? NO! Did I do something wrong? NO! Was I foolish in that I married someone without really getting to know him first? Yes. And did I suffer because of that? Yes, I did.
One of my friends was talking to me about the US Social Security debacle and how decisions made by key people in the 1980's will ultimately affect my retirement. He said to me that even though only one or two people were actually culpable, many are responsible by refusing to fix the situation when it could have been fixed. I think ALL those in authority both at GCC and CoJ are responsible. Not all are culpable.
All I was saying in my earlier post is that we can't excuse the immoral/illegal acts of some because people involved in the system but who did not committ illegal acts might suffer some loss. We can open our hearts and homes and resources to help those people if we are able. But we can't let that keep us from holding accountable those who need to be. |
breaker_19_girl
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Posted From: 64.187.48.104
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This is going to be a truly interesting post for me:
Personally, I do not think Jason has been all that harsh on here. I see him as being respectful about saying his views and sometimes a voice of reasoning. I have also seen him ask questions to try and understand...
Personally, I feel like Jason has gathered his facts and based opinions... He is not rip roaring through here like a twister... He is seriously not trying to hurt anyone
Having said that though... Opinions are like arseholes and everyone has one and nobody thinks theirs stinks!  LOL!!!!!!!
Gotta love my devils advocate! |
poormanspudding
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Posted From: 74.108.181.75
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Bonnieb: Okay, I get what you are saying and I agree. I am just trying to come to terms with the concept of believing in something so strongly that you can't recognise the abusive nature of it. I am not just talking about my father here, I am talking about me. I am trying to understand why I wouldn't/couldn't walk away when things were so bad for me and others. What was it in me that accepted it and believed it to be the will of God? I guess that's what people mean by blind faith -- I guess I am starting to come to terms with the whole cult idea and it is putting me in tremendous conflict. This is so hard to talk about here, because I feel very vulnerable and unsafe sharing it. |
bonnieb
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Posted From: 170.215.130.223
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Dear poormanspudding,
I totally understand the conflict and grief that comes when we start to remember and wonder and question how this could have happened to us.
Someone posted on another thread this quote:
"If they can make you believe that its God's will, they can get you to do anything."
I think this is so true. It's hard to understand how so many of us stayed and accepted what we were being told and what was being done to us. But it happens. If you don't know any different or if the tactics to break down your ability to trust in other and in yourself and to break down your self-esteem work, it's amazing what we can accept. And when people use God in order to do these things, it complicates the matter even more.
Be kind to yourself.
Hugs! |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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Marion, I actually still wear my student leader pin, prefect pin, medals and carry around my Athlete of the Year trophy when out of the house - HAVE YOU SEEN ME? You didn't say Hi though? I have to tell you that Anne Bartness and I, are dropping the gloves at the closing...I'm old, and honestly can't take on two women unless of course the GCC pool will be filled with JELLO...THAT is a completely diferent story - I'll bring my swim goggles just in case.
SHEILA, TOM, care to address my point of taking down everyone at GCC in your wake? Mike W. was the only one to awknowledge.... Why are you actually doing this? What is your motivation - to help people on here HEAL? hahahahahahahha it is because you don' give a ratsa** about anyone else - self motivation disguised with pretentious caring on here. Selling CoolAid...just like you were taught apparently.
You actually can blame GCC on your present problems in life....I feel absolutely terrible for you...wait a sec, no I don't!!
If you hate me for my oppinions? I certainly don't gives a rats***!!! Go on with your suit, defrocking and trumped up charges...just remember who your friends were and what information was shared then - and how different is seems to be now.
Both Jeff & Todd caused so much crap while they were at GCC that they have the brains to look back at that situation and laugh. Go ahead and ask them.
Kids today are absolute mouth pieces - no discipline, guidance or direction. Shoud they be hit? Arguably no, but perhaps sometimes.
We were all waging our own personal battles and dealing with our own self demons...most of the time carrying them around on our sleeves. Big deal if GCC/FSquared threw a few more fur balls into the rat cages called our heads.
There were enough ways to gain positives from GCC (i.e. sports, art, choir, G&S, etc.) people had enough ways to "walk the GCC line" and stay out of the line of fire. There certainly were enough teacher/staff personalities to navigate toward...didn't groove with Dan O. stay away - bond with Jim MacNeil or whomever. Make your alliances smartly kids...sounds alot like life to me.
Cripes, people on here don't even know how the impacted or helped individuals while at GCC - that is the intangible stuff that is great and what should be accomplished here - NOT exercising demons and witch hunt suits. |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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BTW - "Just wondering, why did FF give Jeff the strap for something Todd had done? And btw, whether you agree with it or not on principle, corporal punishment in the Ontario school system is illegal so FF giving anyone the strap was a criminal act."
The truth is that giving the strap during that period was not illegal. Kids in shite, parents called, strap ok'd & delivered...pretty simple. Homework time kids, homework time. To think that I was just a dumb jock.
Something tells me that this suit is going to fall apart at the seams... |
87expellee
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Posted From: 66.78.123.102
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So you have found that corporal punishment in Ontario is not illegal. So what? How is that going to make any potential suit 'fall apart at the seams'? Is that the only thing said suit is going to include? Do you think a reputable law firm would take on a case of this magnitude without ensuring they have a good chance of victory?
Corporal punishment IS wrong. Whether illegal or not there are many studies that show it to be wrong. 110 countries around the world have banned corporal punishment in schools.
Recent, longitudinal and objective studies in Ontario, Canada and New Zealand DEFINITELY show that even moderate spanking can have devastating results for a minority of children -- particularly males -- after they reach adulthood. A massive, long-term study in Ontario shows that spanking of children often causes problems in adulthood, including anxiety, major depression, drug addiction and alcohol addiction. |
sheilac
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Posted From: 70.54.19.161
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What are you talking about Jason? What is it that I am doing other than pointing out the serious and criminal transgressions of a few? What is it that you think I shared with you back then and why do you seem to think that if I did, I shared anything meaningful? You seem to be under the delusion that we were best buddies. To be frank I knew you were as big a fink back then as you are proving yourself to be right now. You squealed on people all the time for things that you yourself were doing. See? I have a good memory too.
You Grenville cheerleaders keep claiming we are a bunch of whiners yet its nothing but whining that I hear from you about how "unfair" we are being to Farnsworth. All your arguments are philosophical, NOT legal.
If giving the strap was legal why are you so afraid of any action being taken to legally determine if it was or not?
If you're so confident that everything done there was within the boundaries of the law, you should be welcoming and actively supporting any legal investigation into it.
You say I'm "selling Kool-Aid just like I was taught". Ignoring the fact that your metaphor isn't working, isn't this a blatant admission that "selling Kool-Aid" is what they were doing? You keep admitting that many of these abuses happened out of one side of your face and calling us liars or claiming that they weren't abuses out of the other. Make up your mind... if after drinking all that purple Kool-Aid you have one left that is. |
sheilac
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Posted From: 70.54.19.161
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Btw, Corporal punishment in the Ontario school system is only legal when it is established that there were "reasonable grounds" for it. Failure to comply with cult programming is hardly reasonable grounds. |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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Sorry kids..this is little bit ranty toward blondie, er, Coonsie -
Delusional? Maybe. Oher than a few wasted brain cells - I still have most of my grey matter capacity and remember what you confided in me.
Nice to point out that we were not friends...I don't know how I am ever going to sleep at night now!!! Sheila Coons didn't even like me - oh the pain, the pain!!!
Big Fink....ROFL and LMFAO we aren't going to get into name calling now are we? Don't hate me cause you are out for money - it's all good, your reaction speaks for you. As does my position on your being a ring-leader in this whole situation. Take them for everything - get them all, innocent, guilty etc. you'll feel so much better Sheila.
Did I say that everything was done within the boudaries of the law? No where near confident - just rebutting your "take all and every angle possible to screw GCC" approach. Oh-oh-oh...theres another thing to get GCC about - lets add it in, lets add it in!!!
What was it again? Vixen...Noooooooooo it was a Black Widow that FSquared called you. Even at that time when you told me - we griped together about our plights at GCC. You a black widow, me delusional...but I just didn't get it back then when you kept callin me that - thanks for clearing it up for me. Sorry back to the Black Widow comment from FSquard...accused of weaving your web to trap the guys, right? Did that honestly affect you? Are you kidding me? You were attractive and guys did love you - and thats a bad thing?
Since we, I mean you, are getting personal - Why don't you just use your Wicca powers on them all? Right, no DNA to go along with the spell...gotcha. Don't tell me...you blame GCC for your hate of religion and for getting you into the Dark side. I know the midget chick from Poltergeist well...so I am safe for sure!!!
Good girl - you GOT IT!!! re: drinking the GCC/CofJ coolaid. You are heading up a witch hunt...er sorry, that does fit though...and selling your coolaid to jump on board is crap. Anyone who knows me, knows I wouldn't say jack except when I know there are falsities being slung on one side to the other.
Leave the healing to the actually abused individuals Coons - cause you are a poser here.
I know what your comeback will be - I could nip it in the bud...but then I would be showing you my hand, not good poker etiquette I fear.
Exp87....Reputable law firm? LMAO. It's called welcome to U.S.A law suits pal. Lets get as many people to jump on board and see what kind of loot we can make. Expelled eh? What was your crime? |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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Cult programming...yeah, thats it
So since you are being so upfront about your feelings...what is the motivation here for you Sheila. Barbed comments and slings/arrows aside.... |
sheilac
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Posted From: 76.66.72.204
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 You appear to be short-circuiting Jason--better go back to the cult mother ship for re-programming!!! |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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Yeah, I'll get on that right away. Just remember toots, Wiccan law - manipulating any situation for your own gain will come back and bite you in the A** 3fold. Also known as Karma in the Cult-mother-ship.
Don't trip on the front steps of GCC when arriving.
Now everyone can step back in - shows over |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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hey 87...you have to stay with the thread to get it....this will fall appart guaranteed...
I'm thinking the counter suits will be a flying...the writer from the Globe etc. but who knows? |
87expellee
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Posted From: 66.78.124.77
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counter-suit for what?
stay with the thread to get what?
guaranteed? on what do you base that? you must have an extensive legal background to make such a statement.
And, what do you mean 'there is more than enough room' at the closing ceremonies |
jes_noonan
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Posted From: 67.70.18.204
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POS
Couldn't be bothered in the least to respond to much of what you have to say, but I'll offer you a little insight into one comment you made: the Globe runs all their stories through their lawyers prior to publishing to ensure that they aren't exposed to lawsuits. Due diligence if you will. Then again, you're a man who's all about how the world turns...you probably already know that. |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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Jes...I honestly don't care what you think or if you respond cause I dont know you. "all about how the world turns" - hmmmmmm....not quite sure how to take that..any insight? if thats supposed to be a slight, so be it. If not, no harm no foul.
87expellee - I can't help you read 87...no thourough legal training, though my mother thinks I should be a lawyer or doctor after 7 years of University...you have made some flippant comments and questions were asked. You choose to ignore and here I am asking again. We obviously went to school together - Who T F are you? care to share?
All I know is that some coward/dumbass keeps threatening me through annonomous emails...please be a guy, please be a guy |
87expellee
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Posted From: 66.78.124.77
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I already told you several times that I have no intention of revealing my identity..I have also told you I did not and would not email you.
Help me read? I can read.. but it's tough when you don't make sense, this last post included.
Please explain your comment "there is more than enough room at the closing" |
priest_of_satan
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Posted From: 99.229.62.21
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87....did some re-reading and figured out you are female - so the testosterone levels have decreased over here...so why don't you just be scared to talk to me at the reunion, cause I am sooooooo scary and angry, and we'll leave it at that.
I hope you have a blast...I'll just be looking for one person to talk to...anyone, anyone, Bueller? |
dignityquest
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Post Number: 40
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Posted From: 99.228.175.126
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Jason: I feel that you have crossed a line of decorum and reason that this site adheres to. Annonymity is allowed and supported, please don't badger someone into revealing there identity if they don't want to.. I certainly don't condone the writing of nasty e mails that you have received, however, some of your comments are demeaning and I ask you, respectfully, to stop. To "87", though it is of course your call, I would humbly suggest that you not respond to POS as it doesn't seem to be helping. I choose the name "dignityquet" because of a deeply held believe taht even in disagreement , we can be dignified. Respectfully, DQ (Jeff) |
tmw
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Posted From: 70.48.55.150
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POS...
again I will say..I find your style of posting and certain comments that you have made in your posts to be of a threatening nature. You seem to be easily triggered by what people are posting here when their opinions differ from yours. I find myself regularly asking myself, why is he putting himself through this? I can accept that your opinion may be different from the others here, why can't you accept that people may have a different opinion than yours? Why do you feel the need to convince others that they must be wrong, and you are right?
Again, my suggestion to you is this. I have no problem with you posting on this site, however, in the future wait until you have "cooled off" before formulating your post. It will give you the time and forethought to spell out a reasonable "argument". Rather than the knee jerk reaction posts you seem to be posting as of late.
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breaker_19_girl
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Posted From: 64.187.49.59
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I have to agree with TMW. Jason, man you went too far today. I found myself getting angry with you about Sheila... I love her too... I know she can take care of herself... But, you did loose your composure today....
Liane |
himalayan
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Posted From: 68.52.59.60
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Ditto , Ditto , Ditto!
liane
That did go overboard. I emailed Sheila and told her I am with her all the way. |
adelicatebalance
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Posted From: 74.108.181.75
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I'd like to support the sparring that's happening here. POS and Sheila are pretty well matched as far as debating styles go. Someone has mentioned that POS is being triggered... perhaps yes... but this is a highly volatile issue. A lot is at stake. There is a witchhunt on and people's reputations and livlihoods are at risk. I don't find POS's comments any more offensive than some of the posts I've read here alleging all kinds of things. If you can see beyond the rhetoric, POS has some pretty salient points to make.
Some companies have a circular performance review process for their employees. This is when the manager interviews collegues, other supervisors and sometimes direct reports to get all points of view about the performance of the employee being reviewed. In this way, the most accurate read on performance can be fleshed out. This is what I'd like to see happen here. That all points of view, experiences and memories be fleshed out so that a more accurate picture can be shown. The issues that are being brought to light here demand careful and thorough due diligence because, as I said before, so much is at stake. |
sheilac
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Posted From: 70.54.19.14
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With respect I don't see POS making any salient points at all. The only thing I hear are ad hominim attacks on the people posting that have absolutely no relevance to the issues at hand. If he had a leg to stand on he would be citing legal precedents rather then belligerently calling us a bunch of whiners and liars.
From what I can see (I'm not positive since I haven't read every single post) Andrew MacNeil is pretty much the only person who expressed a pro-Grenville stance with any eloquence, grace or respect.
The majority of the Grenville Glee Club (POS and Wayne spring to mind here) are bullies. They seem to think that aggressive verbal intimidation and in POS's case, threats of physical violence are the way to shut people up and win the argument at any cost. Imo, these are precisely the methods that were used and taught at Grenville so it's really no surprise to see them try to use them now.
Well, we aren't at Grenville anymore. |
breaker_19_girl
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Posted From: 64.187.49.102
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Wow,
I agree that Wayne uses GCC tatics... I think Jason went over board today, but I would not agree he is usually this way. He has never come across like he did today. I am hoping he just needs a midol and all will settle.
Delicate: agreed.... about the fleshing out and the like. But this is not a board room. This is technically a forum for people who may have been involved in a cult and telling and sharing experciences. While I agree some may want to share the other side... it is not a board room. And, Jason and (sorry) Sheila really went over the top today. To the point I would state and say they abused each other. This is something we want to end... we have had enough of it.
My 2 cents..
Liane |
jes_noonan
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Posted From: 99.224.147.250
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Ruth Buddington started this forum as a means for herself and those who felt similarly about GCC and CofJ to have a common and viable way of expressing their feelings and talking. That's it.
Unfortunately this is an open forum and there are people who have joined it who don't seem to respect that fact. This forum has lost its original purpose and has turned into one big debate. Does no one find it odd that the original posters (pre-globe and mail) rarely if ever post here anymore?
Jason and Wayne: obviously, you're entitled to your opinions. It's too bad that neither of you are astute enough to recognize what some were attempting to accomplish here. Maybe the two of you saw this as an opportunity to flex whatever intellectual muscle you seem to think you have for others to see...I don't know. You've clearly been big parts in destroying what Ruth had created...congrats. The two of you truly are GCC's cherubs of justice. |
sheilac
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Posted From: 70.54.19.14
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POS wrote: SHEILA, TOM, care to address my point of taking down everyone at GCC in your wake? Mike W. was the only one to awknowledge.... Why are you actually doing this? What is your motivation - to help people on here HEAL? hahahahahahahha it is because you don' give a ratsa** about anyone else - self motivation disguised with pretentious caring on here. Selling CoolAid...just like you were taught apparently.
You actually can blame GCC on your present problems in life....I feel absolutely terrible for you...wait a sec, no I don't!!
Leave the healing to the actually abused individuals Coons - cause you are a poser here.
ETC, ETC, Liane. All I did to initiate this flurry of insults was ask a few pertinent questions. I realize the allegations I've made are very serious so I completely understand the need for scrutiny but the guy basically called me a liar, insinuating that I am a low-life scum who would invent stories of sexual and psychological abuse against an innocent person for a little bit of money. Frankly this was all very painful and emotionally exhausting for me.
I really don't think what I said was over the top whatsoever given what he said to me and his badgering of 87expellee to reveal their identity and the outright threats that he made.
But I agree, I would very much like this madness to end as well so if it will help, I will go away for awhile in the hopes that he and others like him will bugger off as well.
Luff and Schtuff,
Sheila
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(Message edited by sheilac on September 28, 2007) |
adelicatebalance
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Posted From: 64.40.180.98
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Jesse wrote: "Ruth Buddington started this forum as a means for herself and those who felt similarly about GCC and CofJ to have a common and viable way of expressing their feelings and talking. That's it. Unfortunately this is an open forum and there are people who have joined it who don't seem to respect that fact. This forum has lost its original purpose and has turned into one big debate."
Like I said in the thread I started "Using the Media" -- the present incarnation of Factnet has changed significantly because several users went public. This is the 'nature of the beast' as Jesse said in that thread. If something you feel strongly about (like your family, partner, best friend) is under attack -- it would be difficult to sit idly by watching the destruction. I would have an easier time respecting people's opinions here if this had remained out of the press and the discussions on Factnet were simply a way for people to share their experience in an attempt to heal. I can't see how going after people using the press, lawsuits helps the healing. That's why Jason is asking Sheila what her motivation is to which she will not respond. Have people's lives here been so destroyed that it merits destroying more lives in retribution? |
gcc_1981_grad
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.52.181.2
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Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit |
tmw
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Username: tmw
Post Number: 68
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.70.70.74
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LOL gcc_1981_grad |
87expellee
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Username: 87expellee
Post Number: 16
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 66.78.124.77
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Should criminal acts be overlooked because a few innocents (and/or semi-innocents; remember: NOT REPORTING CHILD ABUSE IS A CRIME) could potentially have their reputations hurt in the process?
Besides, your points are moot. The wheels have spun and it is way beyond a few posters on FactNet. Last night, the links between the CofJ, GCC, and the Anglican Church were secured and a criminal investigation is well under way. |
survivor1101
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Username: survivor1101
Post Number: 10
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 207.112.105.233
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Exactly 87! Jason, as much as you may think that you are winning some kind of battle, the world has continued to spin around you, and action is being taken. It does not matter, it is out of your hands. Always has been actually. Intimidation does not work on us anymore, all it does is lessen your own spirit.
For those of you who I will see this weekend: Take some time today and just be present with yourselves. Know who you are, and center. This is a big weekend. Lets approach it with balance. |
