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     first_truth Junior Member Username: first_truth Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 69.248.185.9 |
I have heard the slander of many, Terror on every side. While they council together against me, A scheme to take away my life. I am small, concealed in this darkness, Yearning to see the light, but I may never Because of the heartless attempt To take away my life. Am I safe? The water around me Is changing. Is it allright? I am burning. Oh what are they doing? They want to take away my life. But as for me, I trust in Thee, Oh, Lord, my times are in Your hands. You are my God, deliver me From the solution that they have planned. I'm condemned, completely unwanted, I struggle to stay inside, Oh, my dear mother, your future is haunted, If they succeed and take away my life. I'm cut off, exposed in this cold room, For love and warmth I strive, will you discard me, Throw away or starve me, And slowly drain away my life. But as for me, I trust in Thee, Oh, Lord, my times are in Your hands. You are my God, deliver me From the solution that they have planned. Desperate hands reach out to embrace me, And steal away in the night, A gentle voice is speaking assuringly, No one will take away your life. Now I am one apart from the millions Fortunate to survive. And though I bear on my body these old wounds, They didn't take away my life. But as for me, I trust in Thee, Oh, Lord, my times are in Your hands. You are my God, deliver me From the solution that they have planned. first_truth then_freedom@yahoo.com | ||
| etrop New member Username: etrop Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 209.179.140.12 |
Hi, I received this from a Christian friend in Oregon, who received it from from a Christian couple in San Diego, California. I hope it will cause us to think about what we have received from the Lord Jesus. The Bell I KNOW WHO I AM I am God's child (John 1:12) I am Christ's friend (John 15:15) I am united with the Lord (1 Cor. 6:17) I am bought with a price (1 Cor. 6:19-20) I am a saint (set apart for God). (Eph. 1:1) I am a personal witness of Christ (Acts 1:8) I am the salt & light of the earth (Matt. 5:13-14) I am a member of the body of Christ (1 Cor 12:27) I am free forever from condemnation (Rom. 8: 1-2) I am a citizen of Heaven. I am significant (Phil.3:20) I am free from any charge against me (Rom. 8:31-34) I am a minister of reconciliation for God (2 Cor.5:17-21) I have access to God through the Holy Spirit (Eph 2:18) I am seated with Christ in the heavenly realms (Eph. 2:6) I cannot be separated from the love of God (Rom.8:35-39) I am established, anointed, sealed by God (2 Cor.1:21-22) I am assured all things work together for good (Rom. 8: 28) I have been chosen and appointed to bear fruit (John 15:16) I may approach God with freedom and confidence (Eph. 3: 12) I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me (Phil. 4:13) I am the branch of the true vine, a channel of His life (John 15: 1-5) I am God's temple (1 Cor. 3: 16). I am complete in Christ (Col. 2: 10) I am hidden with Christ in God (Col. 3:3). I have been justified (Romans 5:1) I am God's co-worker (1 Cor. 3:9; 2 Cor 6:1). I am God's workmanship (Eph. 2:10) I am confident that the good works God has begun in me will be perfected (Phil. 1: 5) I have been redeemed and forgiven (Col. 1:14). I have been adopted as God's child (Eph 1:5) I belong to God Do you know who you are!? Keep this bell ringing... Working for God on earth does not pay much, but His Retirement plan is out of this world!! | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
etrop, thanks for the reminders!! | ||
| first_truth Junior Member Username: first_truth Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 69.248.185.9 |
The song in the first posting is called "Survivor". I heard this song early Sept 2007 and it hit me between the eyes. I really don't want to have or sound like I have a victim mentality but this song is what I and so many have gone through in and out of CII. If you go against or are deemed a lower cast member they WILL council together to take your life. So far I have only reason to believe figuratively. Though we know the path that Mike Peters is taking closely resembles the Jim Jones path. What makes the effects of CII so painful is that the relationships are so close and you are so closed off from the outside world and taught to be cynical and critical of outsiders, they know every detail of your life and then you find yourself ejected for no apparent reason and they will slander and scheme to take away your spouse your children your dignity, your heart. But after all that, as for me, I trust in Thee, Oh, Lord, my times are in Your hands. You are my God, deliver me from the solution that they have planned. Jesus is my hope Jesus He is my salvation He is my Refuge my Rock my Redeemer my Jehovah Jirah - my provider. He is my only source of strength. He came not for those who are whole and well but for those that need Him, those who are sick, those who are poor in spirit. Left us up oh God, Son of David have mercy on the wounded survivors and bring your healing touch! first_truth then_freedom@yahoo.com | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 68 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
who's song is it? I love the words. Thanks. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 72 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
Baxter, have you heard anything else about the article that came out this summer? Wondering if there were any interesting comments to the editor. Willie, let us know what's going on between you and your family if you can. Anybody know how the CII "evangelizes"? Wonder if they do like neighborhood visiting, or do they seek out certain people/places. Thanks! | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 184 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
They go to places where they know many ALREADY Christians will be, such as at the movie "The Passion of the Christ". They then either hand our their own flyers or put them on cars. Their flyers are all about how "attendance-based" churches are evil and how they have the only answer. They do next to ZERO evangelizing of the truly lost. They are classic "sheep stealers". | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 185 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Another thing they did -- in MY church -- was to send one of their people into the church, pretending to be interested in becoming a part of the church. This person then looked around, looking for someone who was only marginally committed, and then he befriended this person. When he would get together with this marginally committed person, this "Peterite spy" would only berate the pastor and church leadership, pointing out everyone that was wrong with our church. The goal was obvious -- to strip the person away from our church and "recruit" them as a potential future Peterite. On a morning from a Bogart movie In a country where they turn back time.... | ||
| joythruchrist Intermediate Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 64.127.144.7 |
Wow, CF, that's amazingly sneaky, underhanded, and deceptive. Did the target leave your church and go to CII? | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 188 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 128.241.46.232 |
A friend of mine just sent me this link about "The Marks of Cultism" by Zac Poonen. It fits Indy about 95% to the "T". It's a little lengthy, but I am sure that you ex-members and those who can see the obvious signs of Indy being a cult will truly appreciate it. This guy really nails things straight on. And in number (4) of the paper it mentions what you just mentioned, cultfighter. http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19875&forum=34 Oh, and lauramarie, nothing in the October issue of the Indianapolis Monthly. And be sure to read that article in the link, especially number 4 to answer your question on evangelism. Christ.myrighteousness@gmail.com | ||
| hinds_feet New member Username: hinds_feet Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 67.159.45.99 |
I know in the past they have sought out new members from Christian universities, I don't know how they originally make contact but I suspect it has something to do with all the free material they distribute and the internet. A number of the present and past members came from Harding university, Mike and a group actually moved to Searcy Arkansas to indoctrinate and draw out as many as they could I believe they where in approximately 1988-1989. They also impacted a group of young people in Pensacola FL once again at a university. The internet and word of mouth appear to be are their biggest forms of outreach. They never want to draw to much attention to themselves and they are experts at flying under the radar. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 73 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
wow, Baxter. Sad and scary and sounded just like CII to me. I know I had talked with my family member years ago about missionaries. I was told that the missionary way of living and making money to live was not scriptural. I had never considered it, but to deprive anyone of the blessing of supporting someone willing to go to who knows where to share the gospel with people who have not heard is isn't right either. Another family member has asked our CII family member many times if their way of life is so wonderful and what God wants, why don't they ever go out into the world and tell them? why stay to yourself and keep for yourself the wonderful gift? No real answer was ever given. Something was probably said but no answer given. No real answers are given for much. Thanks for sharing!! Thanks for sharing hinds_feet. I had heard of some going to college campuses. Wish there was some way to warn people, but I am sure every cult is on campuses trying to recruit. I heard that someone put a CII CD under the windshield wiper of some people who had no idea who put it there or why. They are not involved in any way with CII and don't live in Indianapolis. So weird that someone would run around in the middle of the night like a gremlin and run on private property to distribute it. I wondered if there were neighborhood recruiting efforts around the country. WHY would anyone want to get involved in something that the people involved are too fearful to talk to other people face to face. Most people would throw it in the trash. What a waste. What a silly way to share something if it's really so good. | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.195.244.107 |
You know, I shared this before on factnet and I think it's worth repeating since the topic is here again. One time it was suggested that we split up into different groups one Sunday and go to different churches around the city. Now, why, I ask, would we do that if we weren't trying to recruit? I knew we were going out there for "something". And Debbie F. told me we didn't want to "appear" to be recruiting. But when I ask what I was supposed to look for, she said, "just look for people who look like they want something MORE". Yeah, like Indy has the corner of the market on THAT! More control, more watchdogging, more fear, more paranoia, more abusive authority, more man-made laws, more condemnation, more judgment! | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 74 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
I wonder if most of the churches in Indianapolis already teach their members about CII? I would hope so by now. Especially after the article. That leaves several other cities open I guess. What are they told by the "upper crust" about recruiting? Were you told that you weren't "really" out recruiting, just trying to share the gospel or something? (to people who are already believers maybe) I still can't understand why they don't go seek the lost who have never heard about Jesus. It seems they seek to deceive the elect....we are ALL looking for more. We all seek a deeper relationship with Jesus. That is natural for the believer (I think anyway) But we also have to live in a fallen world and be there for our brothers and sisters AND the lost! | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.195.244.107 |
Looks like allathisfeet has made their debut on youtube. I just listened to a few minutes of the number 5 of 5 video clip and I heard some interesting things. I have never sat and watched these videos and I encourage people who do to "listen" with your heart close to God's, I think you will notice the arrogance and the double standards. In this one, which link I will paste at the end, they are talking about a smugness and "having it all figured out" attitude that is never appropriate for the church. Well folks guess what? Who keeps pointing to themselves as being the IDEAL? Plus look at many of the responses from ChrisO and company here on factnet. Also, Mike was talking about an ENVIRONMENT where anyone can come in at any given time from another city and TEACH! Does INDY have an environment where that is possible? I don't think so. They have guards at the door (so to speak). Yet, if someone tries to test them or ask them a question, they cry FOUL! Go listen to it and see if you don't hear that! Their arrogance and double standard never ceases to amaze me. If someone comes to visit them. If they happen to have children they whisk the children away and get sitters for them EXPECTING that said family should trust them because, DUH! They are MIKE PETERS GROUP and the model church. But if they go as a guest or visitor, do you think they would allow for that with THEIR children? Absolutely not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQksq-h73c | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.195.244.107 |
"God has no use for smugness, or no use for huh, anykind of a 'know-it-all' attitude. BUT if God has revealed some of His truth's that are precious..." (hmmm, would those be Indy's truth's) "...and some of His truths that are just so valuable, and and accomplishing what God intends for the earth, then, then, we have ta, we have to grab hold of those things, take hold of them, hide em in our heart and long for the day when the ultimate fruit is produced from those things. So..." KM "In fact really, so much of what we're talking about is creating a climate where everyone from the least to the greatest can be teachable" MP (Who do you think the teacher will be?) "Where someone from another city can have an impact on day one in the whole churches life."MP (Guess who? and what city?) "...What we are talking about is a climate where, where everybody can be teachable, everybody can hear, everybody can learn, and no one views themselves as, uh, unavailable to God to contribute, and no one views themselves as untouchable because they're in the ivory tower and bringing a word from God and they're in control of the whole deal, and basic, the the ecclesia of God in its proper sense has to be based in humility of allowing all the members one to another contribute on any given day from the least to the greatest..." MP What was that about being "in control of the whole deal?" Who do you know that can "just show up" in Indy's environment? It's through invitation only basically. And I have heard of many testimonies where Mike, when confronted about something would avoid conviction or "listening" by turning on his abusive authoritative leadership role in high gear. Again, I say to all you who are considering this group to test him. He says it in this video that all things will be tested, I am assuming that includes themselves, unless they believe they are above that (the ivory tower). quotes taken from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQksq-h73c | ||
| hinds_feet New member Username: hinds_feet Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 67.159.45.100 |
You have to remember that he teaches this tripe and allows people think of him as an apostle. Gag me!!! This man is on such a power ride he believes that people all over the world want to grovel as his feet to hear precious gems that supposedly are reveled to Mike. This man is dangerous, the fruit that follows this man is a trail of broken marriages, luring other men’s wives to his heart and he controls the men by controlling the hearts of their wife’s. He teaches about the higher way, as if everything else is below his teachings. He snubs his nose at all other churches, he thinks only about 10% of those involved in the Church of Christ are saved. What arrogance! Believing family members are snubbed because in Mike’s eyes they are flawed, they fall short of the glory of God, who made this man the judge of another’s true heart when it comes to God. | ||
| joythruchrist Intermediate Member Username: joythruchrist Post Number: 177 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 64.127.144.7 |
Thanks so much for posting that Baxter! I didn't know it was out there. Interesting that they shut off the comments, eh? In a way, I'm actually kind of glad they put those videos on youtube, because I believe that God will give all those seeking the real truth about CII the discernment to clearly see this group's elitism in what they say on these clips. Who better to show them up for what they really are than themselves? ~Jen joythruChrist@gmail.com | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 192 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.195.244.107 |
I didn't know it was on there either until yesterday when another friend wrote and told me it was there. That friend also noticed that you couldn't leave comments. If you notice, they don't have ANY place where there are PUBLIC comments or discussions. You and I know very well that that would expose them for who they are in no time at all. They have to carry on all their discussions in secret because MIKE knows eventually it would hurt HIS cause. Besides that, Mike can tell one person one thing and another that and their is no proof or accountability that way. He can continue to be in control and keep people in the dark and dependent upon his word alone. Christ.myrighteousness@gmail.com | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
Was "KM" the other guy in the video? This was so sad!! mike kept repeating that he wants the least to the greatest to be "teachable". That tells me he wants everyone to believe what he teaches. He also said that anybody always can have input, even from a different city. That life needs to be relational, that we listen for the voice of God through the parts of the body. This is for everyone, the "church itself". WHO is the church? If I as a believer in Jesus Christ walked in there, and I believe I have heard the voice of God, I probably would be escorted out before I had a chance to say anything. But I AM part of the Body of Christ and he said the "church itself". Who is the church? I have been treated unfairly and accused inaccurately by my own family members of CII and some of their "voices". I do not believe mike considers me part of the "church itself". If so, then we all can go there, expect to be treated as Jesus told us to treat each other and we all know they would not talk to us or ever have the relationship with us that God in His Word told us to have with each other. We've tried and we've all been turned away as outcasts. This is so sad, because it sounds so good on the outside, but once you peel away a little of the skin, you see the destruction on the inside. I believe the average brother or sister at CII will one day see that God's plan on this earth for His children was not was mike taught them. They will realize they believed a lie. It will just be sad for them since they will realize what they truly missed out on, but also see what was reaped by those who had to suffer from mike's teachings on the "outside". I have family members who basically put the "memory" of their family in CII away because the pain of mike's teachings had taken a toll spiritually, emotionally and physically in some cases and it was easier to not consider them any more. That is one of the saddest things I have seen in my precious Christian family members that have been hurt the most by mike's inaccurate teachings. This is not just my family members, but I have met others around the country who are still suffering the teachings of mike. We can only keep praying for Truth to be revealed and deliverance. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 76 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
Was "KM" the other guy in the video? This was so sad!! mike kept repeating that he wants the least to the greatest to be "teachable". That tells me he wants everyone to believe what he teaches. He also said that anybody always can have input, even from a different city. That life needs to be relational, that we listen for the voice of God through the parts of the body. This is for everyone, the "church itself". WHO is the church? If I as a believer in Jesus Christ walked in there, and I believe I have heard the voice of God, I probably would be escorted out before I had a chance to say anything. But I AM part of the Body of Christ and he said the "church itself". Who is the church? I have been treated unfairly and accused inaccurately by my own family members of CII and some of their "voices". I do not believe mike considers me part of the "church itself". If so, then we all can go there, expect to be treated as Jesus told us to treat each other and we all know they would not talk to us or ever have the relationship with us that God in His Word told us to have with each other. We've tried and we've all been turned away as outcasts. This is so sad, because it sounds so good on the outside, but once you peel away a little of the skin, you see the destruction on the inside. I believe the average brother or sister at CII will one day see that God's plan on this earth for His children was not was mike taught them. They will realize they believed a lie. It will just be sad for them since they will realize what they truly missed out on, but also see what was reaped by those who had to suffer from mike's teachings on the "outside". I have family members who basically put the "memory" of their family in CII away because the pain of mike's teachings had taken a toll spiritually, emotionally and physically in some cases and it was easier to not consider them any more. That is one of the saddest things I have seen in my precious Christian family members that have been hurt the most by mike's inaccurate teachings. This is not just my family members, but I have met others around the country who are still suffering the teachings of mike. We can only keep praying for Truth to be revealed and deliverance. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 77 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
I wonder how many of his "teachings" he has on tape that he is now going to put on YouTube. This one is from 1993. Not much new there I guess. The "life" there must be running on the old teachings of when there probably WAS some life there. I grieve for the "new converts" who will soon be clones of the other members there. No life when you talk to them. Nothing new or fresh, just the same "spiritual phrases and words" that are on this video....the theft of emotion and individuality that God gave them is tragic. | ||
| danrepent Intermediate Member Username: danrepent Post Number: 159 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 65.60.228.88 |
I like what hinds_feet wrote. To expand on this, I believe that Mike Peters and friends posted the video because this is the same source picture that is in the magazine article. Notice they turned off the comment feature. They knew we'd be there exposing them on youtube. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 78 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
I didn't make the connection to the article picture. I was thinking about how gray his hair is now, but that would be expected after all these years. (I saw him on one of their videos on his web site) Sad that everything they do is so calculated. No freedom to just be you and rejoice in the Lord and His joy and love and peace. | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 193 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.159.45.89 |
lauramarie, if you listen to the 1 or 5 video, Mike actually introduces the both of them. KM is Kevin Murphy. (It's public youtube information) I know someone who has all the earlier teachings on cassettes. There is a teaching in particular that I want to locate so I can post the transcript. It's very telling. I was thinking the same thing you said. They don't seem to share "current" teachings from the group (probably too telling), the old stuff is all the foundational stuff to condition you to "think" in a way that enables their control over your life. Yeah, hinds_feet definitely "has his number"! | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.159.45.89 |
oh, that should be 1 OF 5 video (in other words, the first one on youtube. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 79 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
Baxter, thank you! did you find the other teaching you were trying to locate? | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 195 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.159.45.90 |
I'm still working on it. I'll let you know. | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 196 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.159.45.90 |
You know, I was just reading something by someone(not associated with MP) that was very well written. But it was also written in a way that indicated we should feel conviction. However, we are to examine everything carefully. So I need to go back and re-read what this man had written and make sure I am listening with my eyes fixed on Jesus and my heart in tune with His. Then if I hear God's voice in it, that is all it needs to be about...God and His voice and His Word. STOP! It is NOT to be about the MAN who wrote the words. And if it is of God, the man behind those words will have the same attitude, "for HE (Jesus) must increase". Mike Peters may claim to point to Jesus, but he does it through the foundation that MP has laid, which is his own opinions, interpretations, judgments, etc. The scriptures just speak. If you happen to be reading and the Lord "highlights" or "illuminates" something, and you know it is God's voice speaking to you, you have that conviction within you where the LORD touched your heart. But many things I read of Mike's he talks and says things in a way as to provoke a "conviction" or a response of guilt or fear of being disobedient or something, and then you respond to his provocation and NOT the Holy Spirit. I hope this makes sense and is clear to those out there reading this. For example, I remember at the beginning of a gathering, there was a worship song being played, people had their eyes closed "worshipping". Next thing you hear is Mike's voice on the microphone saying something like, "As I look around the room, I'm inclined to believe there are a whole lot of spiritual people in this room. Just make sure, you having your eyes closed, isn't an attempt to hide darkness..." Now, all of a sudden, everyone is wracked with guilt at the suggestion and subtle accusation of Mike Peters that not everyone IS truly worshipping (even though he boasts his church is "everybody from the least to the greatest" to the outside world, inside he makes them feel inadequate to keep control). Fear sets in, then paranoia, and now you're not confident of whether or not you are guilty of not really worshipping. It wasn't the gentle nudge and conviction of the Holy Spirit, it was the suggestion of a man. So if you read something, don't assume conviction because you think you should, MAKE sure it's the WORK OF GOD. Christ.myrighteousness@msn.com (Message edited by baxter on October 14, 2007) | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 381 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 64.127.144.7 |
This is Dennis Elslager... It has been a while since I’ve reviewed some of the recent posts here. What you said here, Baxter, is sooo revealing about the matter with Mike Peters and how he works to gain control while seriously corrupting the name of Jesus and His Word in the minds of some. You said it right when you said, “everyone is wracked with guilt at the suggestion and subtle accusation of Mike Peters”. The follow-up of his tactics like that are now seen through the multitude of attacks on those that have come forward and shared the truth to protect others. We have seen Mike Peters -or his ardent followers- not just make subtle accusations but rather spew chronic and seriously blatant lies about others here. I believe with all my heart that whoever has been working hard to discredit our warnings and concerns -for other’s spiritual, emotional, and mental wellbeing- does not have any peace within the heart. Knowing the falsehoods they push hard with, they have to be messed up in their own emotions and this will have to affect their life as they will reap what they sow in due season. Personally I am praying for he who is digging such a big hole for himself as he continues to use many words to cut at the testimonies of those sounding a clarion call out about the great harm this following in Indy will continue to have on others if they are not warned. God’s Word is always true including this one as we see it come to pass in God’s way and time: He who digs a pit will fall into it, And whoever breaks through a wall will be bitten by a serpent. Ec 10:8 Believers Bible Commentary says this: He who digs a pit to harm others will be the victim of his own malice. Chickens have a way of coming home to roost. I found this online: CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST -- Chickens scratch around in the barnyard, in the fields and woods during the day. But at night they come home to the hen-house to roost. This saying is comparing a person's evil or foolish deeds to chickens. If a person does wrong, the "payback" might not be immediate. But at some point, at the end of the day, those "chickens" will come home to roost. "One has to face the consequences of one's past actions..." | ||
| speakingtruth Intermediate Member Username: speakingtruth Post Number: 382 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 64.127.144.7 |
We are assured by God’s Word that any man persisting in wrongs against others, whether in word or deed, will pay for this sooner or later. This is a peace which God grants to the honest in heart. Thank you, our Father in Heaven, for working with this matter in Your way and time. I do pray for the innocent as well as the offender that you will give to each according to his ways and his deeds. Amen No matter what words any of us use, it is only what God sees in the truth of each heart that matters. I am at peace in this matter with Mike Peters as far as the true exposing of him goes. Can he who knows he has chosen lies say this in truth? I think not! denny.elslager@gmail.com | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Praise God! Our prayers are answered -- FactNet is back! | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 188 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
A Halloween-related question about "Indy's SCARIEST Group" (as this group has been labelled by the media): Do they use those red-and-white "You are NOT Welcome" stickers to try and scare trick-or-treaters away on Halloween night? Now that the world knows these people are SCARY, do you think there will be even fewer trick-or-treaters in their neighborhood this year? Do they also try to SCARE Christmas carolers away? Maybe some of you ex-members might know. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
they probably just don't come to the door. I for one do not "celebrate" October 31 as anything but a day. I keep my lights off and try to not look at home. I personally have a problem with "trick or treat". Now, if some children come to my door anyway, I used to give them candy with information about Jesus wrapped around it. I just have plain candy now. But to be honest, I don't think anyone has come to my door in years. You can make your house look uninviting. I would think that the people in Indy try to make their whole neighborhood uninviting. Christmas carolers...I guess if I read the sign, I wouldn't waste my time singing to them. Why walk into a neighborhood that is obviously telling you to stay away. Which is what they WANT to happen I believe. | ||
| cult_fighter Intermediate Member Username: cult_fighter Post Number: 189 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 40.0.40.10 |
Lauramarie, We don't celebrate Halloween either, but we DO try to be friendly -- and yes, we hand out candy for those who come to our door. My main point (question) was about whether folks in the cult neighborhood will be more SCARED of the homes of "Indy's SCARIEST Group" than normal, now that they've officially been tagged by that name. Since I've never walked around in that neighborhood, just how SCARY is it there?? | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 84 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
sorry, see what you mean. I actually thought that the CII members bought up all the homes in the neighborhoods they live in. I didn't even think that there may be "regular" people in the neighborhood. That is something to consider. I wonder if they even feel welcome in their own neighborhood? Would they even let kids play with each other...like a game of basketball with the boys in the neighborhood. I mean, if CII kids are playing and one of the other neighbors came up and wanted to play, would they let them? I really didn't think about anyone living near them that aren't CII. good questions. | ||
| baxter Intermediate Member Username: baxter Post Number: 197 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.159.45.99 |
I was reminiscing with someone last night about some shared experiences in Indy. We both just thought about how sad it is that we felt such hindrances to loving and caring for people as God wanted to work in our lives. It really could have been a wonderful and glorious opportunity to live closely with those who call upon the Name of the Lord from a pure heart. Caring about each other, helping each other, sharing with each other, spending time together freely! Unfortunately, HOW that was done was dictated. If I wanted to go spend some time with a fellow believer, I knew that if I was considered a "peer" (which those in the upper chain of command actually used that word descriptively) then I was not at liberty to just go freely spend time with that "peer". That happened once and I was told that the "problem" was bigger than I am. So, if I wanted to do it, I needed to find an "older" saint to take with me. And what constituted "older"? It wasn't as though I had no knowledge of God. I wasn't a new convert. I was not unfamiliar with His Word. So what was it? I was finding a pattern that anyone who had lived in Indy LONGER, OR that grasped wholeheartedly the protocol that was practiced was considered "older" or "over me in the Lord". The simplicity that is in Christ was none existent. Mike Peters in his lofty self-exaltation as a "wise master-builder" stifles freedom in the Spirit of Christ and the desire to love and care for each other. He transforms what is real and of God into theatrical hoop jumping to keep him appeased and from blowing his lid. | ||
| lauramarie Member Username: lauramarie Post Number: 87 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.177.94.213 |
sorry, maybe I should have posted on this thread. I am still wondering about giving CII your children in case of your demise. I was hoping to discuss that with a family member in 2 weeks when I see them (for the first time in several years) I didn't know how to approach it. they may have not done that, or changed it, or maybe have not thought about it in years? I believe my family member has changed their mind about something like that. I don't know the legal aspects of it. Anyway, any thoughts would be welcome. |
