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Anonymous (81.7.57.221)
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
He has been described as a False prophet he is on God TV TBN Revelation (UK and US).
Thoughts good and bad on Benny Hinn.
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Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
My only thought is that he is a false prophet. He is an easy one to size up. A lot of the others are not as easy to size up.
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Wyoming (67.170.149.100)
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Any born again child of God should have enough of the Holy Spirit to see through Benny Hinn as phoney baloney like so many of the rest of TBN. We can imaging what kind of people would follow him. The bigger the lie, the more people will believe in it.
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Anton (Anton) (80.57.198.71)
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 5:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Some research resources on Benny Hinn
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h01.html

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Gods kids (66.99.115.29)
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 4:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
All the negative posts are lies.We have known Benny Hinn for 10 years.HE IS an anointed man of God.His miracles are real.We've known people who were healed of major diseases!The slanderers on here are Satanists posing as Christians.They are NOT CHRISTIANS!!
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1qq213 (64.241.230.3)
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 4:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
He is another blab and grab, name it and claim it preacher
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Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Gods kids . . . now I have been following your posts on several boards and you are beginning to sound like a bunch of demons yourself? How many are there? You keep saying, "we" - who are we?
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new visitor (67.175.53.122)
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Why does anyone care how many 'kids' there are and who they are? Most people post on here anonymously anyway. I too, like Benny Hinn. I've seen him in person and felt the fire of his anointing.
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Wyoming (67.170.149.100)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Anton: I visited the site you recommended, and although I've read of some of Benny Hinn's heresies other than these, this shows what he really is. I don't understand why all these gushing people are sucked in by all the staged drama of these charasmatic personalities. His heresies fly in the face of the Bible. Everybody shoud read this:

Some research resources on Benny Hinn
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h01.html
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Anonymous (24.14.202.85)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 8:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
RE: The slanderers on here are Satanists posing as Christians.They are NOT CHRISTIANS!!

The ONLY ONE who can say if a person is a Christian or not is God. ONLY God can look into a person's heart and say for sure.

Remember that even Jesus was accused of being a devil because He spoke the truth. We have been called to expose and rebuke those who teach a false gospel. If in doing so we are called devils, so be it. We are just following in the footsteps of our Master.

John 8:46-50 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me? Anyone whose Father is God listens gladly to the words of God. Since you don't, it proves you aren't God's children." The people retorted, "You Samaritan devil! Didn't we say all along that you were possessed by a demon?" "No," Jesus said, "I have no demon in me. For I honor my Father – and you dishonor me. And though I have no wish to glorify myself, God wants to glorify me. Let him be the judge.
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Anonymous (24.14.202.85)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 9:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
We have been warned about false teachers. It's up to us to recognize them and choose not to follow after them. Those who follow after these men will share in their destruction.

2 Peter 2

1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach their destructive heresies about God and even turn against their Master who bought them. Theirs will be a swift and terrible end.

2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of them, Christ and his true way will be slandered.

3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way.

In these end times God will place in the heart of His children a hunger for truth. Study your bible and find out if what you hear being taught is the truth. Ask the Holy Spirit for understanding. Do not allow yourselves to be deceived by false teachers.
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Wyoming (199.141.125.33)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 3:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Anon 24: Amen, and amen! God's Word has all the truth and answers. Everything else is speculation.
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Gods kids (66.99.115.29)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 3:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
You really can't criticize him until you have met and known him personally and sat under his ministry for at least a year.All these negative posts on here are troubling.We know him PERSONALLY
and can tell you he is for real.He is anointed.He does have an awesome healing ministry.Thousands of healed people can't be wrong.And no,we are not "kids" age wise.We are God's kids.And we are watching.We like to keep an eye on these boards(usually secretly), but the libel and slander is getting too severe to stay quiet.
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Anonymous (66.162.203.195)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 4:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
For info on Benny Hinn see:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h01.html
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Anonymous (64.255.96.72)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 4:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
So "Gods kids" - who exactly are you? You claim to know everyone who is anyone in the Word Faith movement, personally and for many years. What's the deal?
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QWERTY (64.241.230.3)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 4:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
DONT NEED TO BE TAUGHT PROSPERITY!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS OLD AND READY FOR THE GARBAGE!!!!!
DID JESUS TEACH PROSPERITY?????
TIME IS GETTING SHORT
TIME TO TEACH HOW TO SAVE THE LOST
GET WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS A VERY SELF SERVING MESSAGE FOR BOTH LISTENER AND PREACHER
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Gods kids (66.99.115.29)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
203.195:that link is posted by a hater.Not exactly fair and balanced.
96.72:does it matter who we are?Yes we know most of the big guys.We know you too.
203.3:you're getting really annoying.Get prosperity.It will keep you too busy to post the same annoying false garbage.
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Christina (142.227.238.97)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Hinn is a false prophet, a bad teacher who doesnt even know the bible, and he worships the dead to. He prays to them, including Aimee Semple McPherson who sure isnt in heaven considering her most likely cause of death is SUICIDE. One and all should most heartily avoid him.
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Christina (142.227.238.97)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
GODSKIDS be careful who you slander as Satanists for you come perilously close to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. I say this to you not in anger but in love because God will judge us all for every careless word.

Do read the research material on Benny Hinn, you will see that NO ONE has truly been healed by him, and what I just said above too is also true. Hinn is well known for using Mesmerism in his "healing" crusades, all the money that he has bilked out of people is going into his own pockets, he has made some dreadful false prophecies including the one (which I might add came from a demon spirit) that Jesus would appear next to him on one of his crusades.

Please this isnt coming from ME. Do look up the apologetics link someone else gave above. You can find lots of other pages like that one too.
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Anonymous (65.231.183.5)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Better be careful. "Gods kids" knows who we all are.
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Christina (142.227.238.97)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
After all God doesnt heal in front of a big audience. Healing is a personal thing which God doesnt want plastered all over the TV. It sort of goes hand in hand with what Jesus said about people praying on streetcorners to be seen by others.
Any prayer, any healing, is between God and the person. There are no exeptions to this. If one brings up the man healed at the gate Beautiful in Acts around lots of people there, God didnt drag him there to be healed in front of all kinds of people it was just happenstance that he was were he was, and he couldnt go off into a private place to pray.

And WHY would people go to Benny hinn for healing anyway? that too is not biblical. GOD heals. If people want healing they can ask God directly.
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new visitor (67.175.53.122)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 8:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
God does heal in front of audiences, live and tv.
What better way to show the masses? The unbelievers? It is real. It is being done. And
Benny Hinn doesn't heal. The Holy Spirit heals through him.
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Anonymous (64.12.117.20)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 8:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
If Benny Hinn is so powerful, why can't he regrow his hair? Or at least buy a better hairpiece?
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new visitor (67.175.53.122)
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 9:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
LOL. Pretty funny. He doesn't wear a hairpiece. He did have a pretty wicked combover. It's better now. I don't like him for his hair. I don't care about his hair. Why do you?

Why does it bother some of you so much that I, for one, have received from him and been blessed by him?
He is real. His services are real. I remember one time he was preaching and he said "you want some of this?" (He had a major anointing on and the whole place was spiritually on fire!) We said "YEAH!". He waved his arm at us and it felt like a tornado hit us. It was amazing. I am not some nutjob either. This was real and is only one of the many times I witnessed amazing things. My friend was in a wheelchair since she was 12. Now she walks. Fake? I think not.
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Anonymous (204.156.7.47)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 9:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
It is mass hysteria and group hypnosis. It is and does feel real because he is able to transfer that thought into your mind, Your mind makes it real. If he said walk like a chicken you would have done that too.
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Anonymous (66.162.203.195)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 9:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Godskids...I am a Christian...saved by the precious atoning blood of Jesus.

It is Jesus I follow...the humble prophet of Israel. This is the same Jesus that had nowhere to lie his head.

The prosperity doctrine is foreign to Christianity and is only a recent development. Early Christianity taught believers to live simple lives, to care for the widows and orphans, the poor and to identify with the downtroden.

I understand your admiration for Benny Hinn. He is flashy and talks a good talk...puts on a pretty good show too! But, really read your Bible and pay attention to what Jesus said and did. His life is our example, not Bennies.

One more thing...it is dangerous to assume that because people point out the deficiances of Bennie that they are not children of God. There is a light in all of us...the light of God (John's gospel)...that light is Christ. Be careful when you diss other Christians. You may disagree with them, but they are still your sisters and brothers.

May you find peace today and always!

www.fgcquaker.org
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Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 9:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
God's Kids posted an allegation on the Wicca topic that Wicca has killed kids. I asked for specifics but received no answer. I know some Wiccans and if there are deaths connected with this particular movement, I would like to know about it. Particularly since it was alleged.

If people have died, please post names, dates and URLs to newspaper stories and whether the appropriate law enforcement authorities were duly notified.
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ccccc (64.241.230.3)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 9:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
GODS KIDS SEEM CULTISH TO ME
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Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 9:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Well, whether he she or it is in a cult or advocates them, I would look at whatever he or she or it has to say, provided specifics are given. Otherwise it's just noise.

And speaking as an ex cultie, I know somethin' 'bout noise...
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Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
he's one of the few preachers that goes into ALL the world and preach the gospel of salvation and healing thru Christ,.. you don't see any of them dead traditional church leaders on TV ever GO ..
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Anonymous (64.255.96.72)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
So, if you're not on TV you're not legit?
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Yaakov (12.8.126.145)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
I would like to see this healer go into a hospital’s intensive care unit and heal everyone there.
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QWERTY (64.241.230.3)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 2:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
ME TOO AND IM A CHRISTIAN
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aaron (68.119.37.147)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 4:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
JESUS never went to the hospitals of HIS day neither did HE heak every one.
i beleive there are those who have the gifts of healing but i do not expect them to go heal every one weather they want to be or not
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Anonymous (65.13.189.216)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
If he is such a phoney, why are people getting saved and healed?
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Anonymous (172.137.191.168)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
God's kids (multiple personality syndrome?) and new visitor go from site to site praising some man or woman. Hardly God. Seem like bonafide man worshippers to me. Sounds like they are ready for a cult. Are there any cult invitations for these two out there? Once you get them into your cult, please take away their internet priveleges.
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Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
"The prosperity doctrine is foreign to Christianity and is only a recent development. Early Christianity taught believers to live simple lives, to care for the widows and orphans, the poor and to identify with the downtroden."

And they lived together, and had all things common, and sold their possessions to provide for every person as they had need.

What a stark contrast to the Christianity of this age. The first-century New Testament Christians would be considered a cult if they lived today.

America still has a lot to learn from the first of Jesus' followers.

Prosperity gospel? God wants us to prosper, but not to pursue prosperity. You cannot serve both God and money. "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and (then) all these things will be added unto you..."
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Anonymous (172.137.191.168)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Anon 152.163.101.12 that is a lie that 1st century Christians would be considered a cult today. That is a line used by cult apologists. Are you trying to defend mind control cults?
Are you a cultee? Living commune style is not what true Christianity is about.
The cults of today are about 2 things, 1 actually. Control and money. Actually, control over other peoples money.
Think before you post. No comparison between early Christianity and a cult of today. You slander Christianity. Take it back.
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Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 1:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Read my post again. I said that they would be considered a cult, not that they were one. A group of people under a common religious belief (and living communally, at least in the first century A.D.), eschewing their possessions and personal gain? This world would not understand it. Come to think of it, this world STILL does not understand it, for the most part, even though the Gospel of Jesus Christ has been preached for two thousand years.

My point was that today's society has little idea of how to renounce one's self, so it would have little understanding of early Christianity, just as it often has the wrong ideas about modern Christianity. If there were a group of modern believers living as the first-century Christians did, many people would call them a cult.

I think cultish behavior is awful and have never been in one. But I agree with you, cults are about control (of many kinds) and money. So why did you react so violently to my post?
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Gods kids (66.99.115.29)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 3:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
The Holy Spirit heals through anointed men like Benny Hinn.He gives more than you can possibly count.We avoid the apologetics link.It is hater central."Mass hysteria and group hypnosis?"Get real!Go attend a few crusades with an open heart and spirit.You won't be back on here bashing him.We only dissed the non-Christians.THEY know who they are.So do we.Wiccans worship satan.satan's job is to steal,kill,destroy.Nuff said.Cultish?US?LOL!!!Desperation to discredit creates pathetic posts.Save em for the real enemy.We are all born again,on fire for Jesus Christians.No chance of a cult around here...
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Anonymous (64.255.96.72)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 3:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
D'nile - it's not just a river in Egypt!
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Gods kids (66.99.115.29)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 4:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
to 96.72:Wanna go to a Benny Hinn crusade with some of us?He'd be happy to meet you and knock you out with his anointing.
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Anonymous (64.255.96.72)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 4:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
been there, done that
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Anonymous (64.255.96.72)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 4:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
of course, since you know who I am, you should have known that.
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Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 8:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Because you used the same arguement that cult defenders use. That the early Christians would be considered a cult. Don't use that phrase again. If you are not a cultee, you are unknowingly assisting cults with their poopaganda campaign.

Early Christians did not use mind control. The Holy Spirit was guiding them. If not, there would not be Christianity today.

I have a BIG problem with gk calling these tv preachers "annointed". That is another cult word. How does he or you know these people are "annointed"? Only God knows their hearts. No man does.

Leave the idol and man worshipping to the catholics. They do it best. One infallible pope is enough. We don't need more. If you admire the early Christians then get back to the basics. There is no room for man worshipping in Christianity.

Judging is for God. If we judge a man bad, we are usurping that right of judgement from God. If we judge a man good, we are usurping the right of judgement from God. Good or bad, leave judgement up to God.

We have a right to decide to allow or not, someone on TV into our living room. I choose not to let a tv faith healer into my living room. I discern man worshipping on those programs. No glory given to God. Just to the man. Man worshipping has held Christianity back for centuries. It's got to stop. Our God IS a jealous God.
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Anonymous (64.12.112.61)
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Well, then, you misunderstand. My point (for the third time) is that we have become so worldly that anyone who lived as the earliest Christians lived would be considered cultish. NOT that they were. Sorry if you don't like the phrase, or my opinion, but "Don't use that phrase again"? That seems awfully presumptuous.

I am not a cultee, nor have I ever been, nor do I defend them, nor am I so ignorant or unthinking as to "unknowingly assist" them. You just don't like my comments. You are free to feel that way, just as I am free to be able to post them.

"Early Christians did not use mind control. The Holy Spirit was guiding them. If not, there would not be Christianity today."

I agree with you one hundred percent. In fact, I couldn't agree more. Now, let's stop the arguing.
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Anonymous (4.233.83.34)
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 1:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
HERESY IS heresy! Why is that so hard to understand???
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Anonymous (68.72.95.215)
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
The "Gods kids" IP Address shows the computer they are using might be located in South Holland, approximately 164th and School Street... or maybe Evans Ave

Know anyone who lives over there? WHO ARE THESE WHACKOS???
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Gods kids (66.99.115.29)
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 2:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
How creative 215,to post that same stupid FALSE info on every board.You're not even close!Shows your ignorance.NOTHING you have said on any of your posts is true.WE KNOW!We know you too.And why you're like that.Pretty sad,huh?You did have choices tho.
Your ip address shows you're coming from hell where you and your father satan live.
Repent now.There's still hope.
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QWERTY (64.241.230.3)
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 4:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
THEY ARE NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT STOP LAUGHING, I THINK SOMEONE IS PUTTING THEM UP TO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE, MAYBE THEY ARE TEENS OR SOMETHING.
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The Hillbilly (64.12.113.156)
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Oh come on Gods kids . . . where did your hugs and kisses go. You will never get any where bullying other posters. The fact is there are probably some really good legitimate guys out there and some con men. God knows specifically who they are and people have the right to question their actions which is not always the same thing as slandering them. Although, I do agree that we all need to keep ourselves in check so as not to slander. But one thing I know for sure . . . the TRUTH can be a legal defense against an accusation of slander.

God Bless,
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Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
these denominationalists are unbelievers they spend more time attacking other christain ministries but like the devilish stuff like :cigarettes horror films halloween drinking lying cussing etc..
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Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
We attack cults, not Christian ministries. Cults are not Christian ministies. If your group is not a cult, then you have nothing to worry about.

As far as us being unbelievers, you are right. We are not like you. You believe in man. We believe in God.
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Anonymous (205.188.117.20)
Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 2:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Christians can, and do, get caught up in the "cult of personality" (I suppose I should use the word "cult" advisedly) just like the rest of the world does. Either they become fixated on the man instead of the message, or it becomes something like Christian pop music where it looks exactly like the world with its stars, magazines, pyro-technic concerts, best-selling CD's, etc.

We need to stick to God and the Word of God, the Bible.
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Gods kids (66.99.115.29)
Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 4:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
There are very few cults.None of the WordFaith people are cults.There are alot of posts on here insinuating they're cults.All posted by offended losers.
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Anonymous (68.72.86.81)
Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 6:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
God's kids already said on another string that "they were done defending God's annointed ones". I guess that means they're gone for good. (we could only hope) I can't wait until they start posting names and addresses!!!!!! What phoneys!!!

Anyway, I think a really good idea would be for all of us to simply ignore the "gods kids". They are obviously unbalanced and in great need of emotional and spiritual counseling.

Why don't we all just "talk around them" like they're not even here. Ignore their posts entirely, and it will give them NO ONE TO ARGUE WITH. Plus, IT'LL DRIVE 'EM NUTS. (I mean "Nuttier")

I think, just like all the "Robbites" on the other strings... they get off on arguing and calling everyone liars. LET'S JUST IGNORE THEM COMPLETELY.
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Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 6:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
One exception to above. This can not go unanswered. Gk lied about word of faith not being a cult. Word of Faith in Spindale N.C. and it's satellite churches is a very dangerous cult. It meets all of the criteria of a cult. Check out the list of cults on factnet and you will find it there. GK lied. Word of Faith IS a cult.
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Marie (158.254.81.121)
Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 8:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Whether it's a cult or not, the teachings of WordFaith are definitely in error. Would you care to discuss some of these areas Gods kids, or do you prefer just calling people names?
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Anonymous (68.72.169.118)
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Here's a link to a real good website dedictated to the "Safe Church"... a church that is free from spiritual abuse...

http://safechurch.com/cultic.htm

There are many good articles here that explain in great detail the workings of a "abusive" or "cultic" church.
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When Jesus went to heal didn't he say 'Go and tell no one" Also when He healed the masses everyone of them were healed?
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Gary (204.39.58.111)
Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Taken from safechurch

"""One of the hallmarks of every cult is its propensity to gather closely around a leader and to elevate that leader to a kind of kingly status both in their minds and in their treatment of this leader. The leader's words and sayings becomes law. The leader is often viewed as being above reproach. In Christian circles, it is often viewed as "carnal" and "unruly" to be critical of the leader, particularly if that criticism deals with doctrinal positions taken by the leader or pronouncements that are viewed by some as contrary to Scripture"""

A good definition of cult and to me, many ministries discussed here fall into this category,
particularily Word Faith movements.

I fact I witnessed this - my wife talked me into
going to see KC and the applause and praise for
this individual almost equalled the praise and
worship for Jesus

I would like as Marie suggested to discuss why
the Word Faith movements are in error.
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Anonymous (208.24.179.29)
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 1:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
okay, let's give this a shot

FACT:The Spirit tells me - Fidel Castro will die - in the 90's. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God."

Oh, in case you want to accuse me of lying, hating, whatever listen for YOURSELF if you dare:
http://biblelight.net/BENNY-HINN-ON-CASTRO-DYING.ram

FACT:"The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid 90's, about '94-'95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [audience applauds] But He will not destroy it - with what many minds have thought Him to be, He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed."

http://biblelight.net/BENNY-HINN-HOMOSEXUALS.ram

or loads more at:
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/hinnflier.html

Deut. 18:21 & 22 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?'-- 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Deut, 13:1-3 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'--which you have not known--'and let us serve them,' 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

You would do well to heed scripture. It plainly teaches that a false prophet either prophecies something that does not come to pass, or may prophecy it truly but lead to you a false god, or both. Hinn does both. Except he can't get the prophecies right.

He is at best a false prophet and worse yet the worst scripture twister I've seen. He's been confronted by several known theologians yet he doesn't heed their warnings because he draws crowds. These people have itching ears and they go to hear what makes them feel good instead of the truth.

M or Michael
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Christina (142.227.238.81)
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 2:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
GODSKIDS

If you are the one who emailed me a couple of days ago, could you write again pls? I wrote once and was going to email you again, but deleted your email by mistake
rapture_coming@lycos.com
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QWERTY (64.241.230.3)
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 4:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
M,
I AGREE WITH YOU SO MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING FOOLED BY HIM
BUT BIBLE SAYS IN THE ENDS TIMES, THAT WILL HAPPEN
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Ok I will add my 2 cents worth. You point out to me where when Peter or Paul Healed someone by the grace of God, the Person getting healed fell backwards and was "slain in the Spirit" The Bible has never showed someone falling backwards and laying down after being healed. That is all show. Now I believe in healing and can't say that all those people that were on his show weren't healed because I believe if you believe in God and have strong Faith God will heal you. Anywho... :D

God Bless
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
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I've seen him in person and felt the fire of his anointing.


Was it his fire you felt? Or the Holy Ghost? Give not Glory to man But Give glory to God.
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
God does heal in front of audiences, live and tv.

So God preforms parlor tricks for people? God doesn't heal people for the fun of it or because he is on T.V. If anyone gets healed it is because of their Faith in God. God doesn't Prep himself like an Actor on T.V. and get ready to appear in front of a Live audience. Although this message board is saying Certain things about Benny Hinn, I am not going to Judge him as Being either Good or Evil. Not one Person on here can know what he is truly thinking. God knows what a man thinks and knows what is in his heart. Everybody automatically thinks every preacher on T.V. is out for Money. Did you happen to think that maybe half of those preachers made their money on their own before they got into the ministry because they realized God's call and wanted to be prepared to Travel and Deal with God's people? I am not saying they are all ok, because there are some that are out for money.


God Bless
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have received from him and been blessed by him?

Why were you blessed by Benny Hinn? You are giving Benny the Glory for your Blessing. Give all Glory to God not man.
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
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If he is such a phoney, why are people getting saved and healed?


Because of Faith. That is what it all Boils down to is Faith in Almighty God. Not in some Preacher behind the Pulpit
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
No comparison between early Christianity and a cult of today. You slander Christianity. Take it back.

Actually I do believe that the Pharisees and Sadducees thought Christianity in the Early years was a cult. They even said If it be of God it will flourish and if it be of Men it will die out just like the rest of the Groups that popped up in the region.
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Gods kids (66.99.115.29)

There are very few cults.None of the WordFaith people are cults.There are alot of posts on here insinuating they're cults.All posted by offended losers.


For one Just because they make a post or two against Word Faith makes them losers? Have you ever thought that they were once involved in Word Faith and Measured that Group up to the Bible's Standards and it didn't measure up? I came from a Legalistic church that they now consider a cult. Not Federally or nationally, but the people feel it is a cult. I used to say they were not a cult until I realized that I was basically being placed in Bondage. They was no Joy of Salvation because there were soooo many rules and regulations made up by the Church and the head Pastor. And if you confronted the head Pastor and asked him to show you in the Bible where it says some of the stuff, He blasts you for being faithless and a faultfinder. I now am free from that Church, Praise the Lord, and I am currently attending Bible School and God is opening my eyes to cultish Ideas and ways of thinking. So I can speak from Experience as well as probably many on this board.

:D God Bless :D

To Everyone
P.S. Had to stop before I said something I might regret and get called a satanist or they say I am of the Devil. lol :D
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
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I have a BIG problem with gk calling these tv preachers "annointed". That is another cult word.


Ummm....The word Annoiting is in the Bible. Look it up.

The Bible says and I qoute, "Touch not the Lord's annointed and Do my prophets no Harm.

Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18

Too many verses to put down but you Get the Picture. The word Annointed is in the Bible Numerous times so it isn't a Cult word. Unless you consider All christianity a cult. In Fact, Luke 4:18 was a verse where Jesus was reading From Isaiah. Christ was annointed to preach.

God Bless
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 1:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
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How creative 215,to post that same stupid FALSE info on every board.You're not even close!Shows your ignorance.NOTHING you have said on any of your posts is true.WE KNOW!We know you too.And why you're like that.Pretty sad,huh?You did have choices tho.
Your ip address shows you're coming from hell where you and your father satan live.
Repent now.There's still hope.


Ok. You Sir need to hit your knees and seriously Pray because You have so much Hatred and anger in your heart. I pray that the Holy Ghost will deal with you according to what God sees fit.

God Bless
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 1:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Oh my I didn't realize I posted so much. lol.
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Anonymous (64.255.96.72)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 2:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
I believe Satan quoted scripture to Jesus. Does that make Satan annointed?

Who are the annointed? Chapter and verse please
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Anonymous (172.163.168.212)
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
God determines who is annointed. Not man. Only God knows one's heart. Not man.

Jimmy Swaggert is annointed! OOOPs! He's a whore. Guess he wasn't annointed after all.
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Anonymous (12.214.86.140)
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Ok I am going to Clarify what I said cause it seems a few people here think that I said that T.V. Evangelists are annointed. I said nothing of the Sort. I simply responded to someone who said Annointed was a Cult word. That was it. I do not know whether or Not Benny Hinn is actually annointed.


Who are the annointed? Chapter and verse please


And just for Kicks Here are the Verses.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22
"Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, Is God;

"Who hath sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our Hearts."

From what I gather in verse 21, Those that are in Christ are anointed.

I can also point out someone in the Old Testament who was anointed by the Lord and eventually walked away. King Saul.

1 Samuel 10:1. I will type out the second half ofthat verse. This verse tells of Samuel Anointing Saul with oil in the first half. The second half is,

"Is it not because the Lord hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance?"

Saul was anointed at one time but eventually was cast aside by God and the anointing on Saul was lifted.

Another Person who was Anointed was David, as well as King Solomon who was anointed by God. So It is safe to say that Benny Hinn and the other Televangelists might have been Anointed by God to preach the word at one time or another, but Only God now knows whether or not they are anointed or not.

God Bless.
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Anonymous (64.255.96.72)
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 8:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Excellent answer
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Anonymous (208.24.179.208)
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
>Anonymous (65.13.189.216)
>If he is such a phoney, why are people getting >saved and healed?

That's a logical fallacy. You could say the same thing probably of Mormon's, Jehovah's Witnesses, and many others. That doesn't make any excuse for false prophecies and deception all in the name of getting someone saved or healed.

IF they are saved it's not because of him, but in spite of him.

M or Michael
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Anonymous (208.24.179.208)
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If you look on factnet for "touch not mine annointed" you will find I posted a very long response to this issue too GGWO church.

A simple reading "in context" of these passages and what is meant becomes clear. If you start saying one christian is more annointed than another you run into the have's and the have nots and lots of comparing.

But for the most part it's used to silence any criticizm whatsoever and is why people here try to do the same. But one look at Paul. He commends the Bereans for testing what he taught in light of scripture. He of all persons would have had the right to say he was annointed and no one should question what he teaches. The Bible says to "test the spirits". Test it in light of what scripture says.

But look up that article and it addresses why they use the terms and why they use them incorrectly. Annointing is a biblical term but only when used correctly.

M or Michael
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Anonymous (208.24.179.208)
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as far as Slain In The Spirit look at:
http://www.letusreason.org/Pent14%20.htm
http://www.truechristianity.org/brownsville.html

Most of this and other things such as Holy laughter, etc comes from cults or the occult than it does from the Bible. I guess they don't read scripture, "do all things decently and in order".

Mostly packaging cultic and occultic items in Christian terms and making it all sound good.

M or Michael
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Anonymous (205.188.117.12)
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 6:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
The things you described and linked to in the last post seem to be because people listen to their emotions instead of to Jesus and the Word of God, the Bible. Otherwise, they would not be misled. Remember the Bereans.
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medicine (medicine)
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Any proofs or testominies from people that he has so called healed? Any witnesses ready to testify to the so called healings?

(Message edited by medicine on November 22, 2004)
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To M,

In your quest to prove your point or voice your opinion I would simply say to be very careful how far you go with your opinion's and accusation's.

The word Blasphemy is defined as "saying that something of God is really the work's of the devil",so I would urge anyone who attribute's everything you don't understand to being either cultish or of tha devil.

I'm not saying that there are not excesses at every turn,I'm simply saying to not group everything that you "don't understand" or just "don't look right" into the category of cultlike or cultish,because if you or me or anyone else is wrong and it turn's out that we have blasphemed against tha Holy Ghost(have you ever read what Jesus had to say about that?)that is dealt with in a severe way by God[Mark 3:29]

We all should expose fraud's, scam's, flim- flam's for what they are,but we better use "extreme" caution when we go to saying that this or that is "of tha devil" because if we're wrong then that is blasphemy and tha Word is very clear on blasphemy and tha penalty of it.

God bless you and all.
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sammysam (sammysam)
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medicine, why would you need proof to believe?

Jesus got crucified on the cross even though he was well regarded as a good and authoritative teacher of the Law, performed many signs, mircales and wonder, yet people didn't see him as the messiah the scriptures fortold.
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sammysam (sammysam)
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and the same could be said of Benny Hinn...too bad....
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Hi SammySam,

Why I need proof to believe. Jesus and his disciples used mighty works and signs, so that people might believe. Jesus and his Disciples didn't hide their mighty works and signs, but rather exposed them. 2 Corinthians 12:12 "The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, signs and wonders and mighty works." (NOAB). Peter and the Apostle John are said to of been eyewitnesses of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. These witnesses testified about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

The bible says that not everyone will believe Jesus' sayings. John 6:64 "But among you there are some who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the first who were the ones that did not believe, and who was the one that would betray him." (NOAB).

Jesus tells us (Christians) to test the spirits to see if they are from God. 1 John 4:1 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world." (NOAB).

John 20:27-28 "Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe."28Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" (NOAB).

Jesus and his Disciples did miracles for a reason. John 20:30-31 "Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book." 31"But these are written so that you may come to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through believing you may have life in his name." (NOAB).

As Christians we have a testimony to tell others, what Christ has done for us. As Christians we walk in the light.

Jesus tells us to be witnesses for him. Acts 2:32 "This Jesus God raised up, and of that all of us are witnesses." (NOAB)

I hope that kind of clarifies things.

(Message edited by medicine on November 22, 2004)
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Roght on Bubba. So many people get worked into a corner by the logical conclusions of their thoughts. So many worry about tearing down on group of Christians or Ministry instead of building up the one(s) they have been lead to.

We all have a tendency to trust our own discernment. I see an awful lot of posts here where the posters "understand" God's will. Some part of it, sure, but none of us is privy to the big picture. I've studied Benny Hinn with a fair amount of rigor. You won't be able to fault him on basic counts. His fundamental message:

Seek salvation through Jesus Christ
Find a church and become active in it
Pray, earnestly, often, expecting God to answer your prayer
Give offerings to God's ministry

Certainly, Benny Hinn asks for offerings for the part of God's ministry he believes he is doing and the lack of clarity in his ministry's finances is a cause for concern. However, his tireless efforts to evangelize are out in the open and demonstrate where a lot of the expenses are. I would certainly be more comofrtable with the kind of public accounting some, but not all ministries provide. Some examples of those very public ministries:

Benny Hinn invited to Nigeria by it's president where 6 million are expected to attend evangelistic and healing services

Benny Hinn in India almost 5 million attended his mass meetings last year and in 2005 the events managers are planning for 10 million. In October, he evangelized before more than 200 members of parliament, mostly Hindu and Muslim.

Benny Hinn in Kenya thousands were present in 2000.

I'm going to leave aside the hundreds of thousands in the Philippines and the tens of thousands in central America.

Thousands of US churches support and participate in the planning of his events. All dupes? All with some kind of problem with discernment? I don't believe it. Hundreds of international churches participate in organizing the international meetings - the churches in India report demonstrate how energizing the mass meetings have been.

Are these meetings for everyone? Not by a long shot. Most of the people in my home church would be offended, but I've experienced spiritual empowerment and deeply moving prayer and worship which I would never have predicted in his meetings. But it isn't the spiritual experience some people need and no ministry makes a claim on its members forever, some reach a different understanding and need a different fellowship to continue to build their life in Christ.

Build is the key word I want to emphasize. I would hate to find myself in a position of tearing down a ministry of God, rather than building one up. You don't have to build up the ministry Benny is pursuing, but find the one you can build up and that, too, will be a pleasing and acceptable offering.
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Bubba,
I made my point clear that it's his teachings and actions that are blasphemous. The new testament is repleat about pointing out false teachers and false teachings.

As for your point on blasphemy of the Holy Spirit I've addressed that elsewhere on Factnet. First off it's when the Jews did it they did it in opposition to what they knew was true. Jesus showed why their accusations were false. Show me where Benny Hinns teachings are true compared to what I showed he teaches. He has prophesied FALSELY many times and teaches a FALSE gospel. The Bible has clear warnings on that as well and it isn't pretty.

M or Michael
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Bubba,
Okay, show me where I was wrong on Binny Hinn's teachings and false prophesies?

According to you "might makes right". Well, if that's the case then you must agree that Mormons and Muslims are doing the work of God as statistics show how well they are doing.

You must match what Benny teaches against the Word of God. If you do you find him a false teacher and a false prophet. Plain and simple.

If people are saved it's in spite of him, not because of him.

I don't care how sincere the man thinks or acts like he is, he is doing damage to the body of Christ with the false prophesies and teachings. It is NOT the gospel.

You can contact www.equip.org and talk to them. They've even confronted Binny and sometimes in person yet he refuses to change. I would be afraid if I was tearing down a godly ministry, but his is FAR from godly. Is a ministry that promotes a false gospel and prophesies falsely Godly?

M or Michael
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Another point. I would rather see him repent of his false teachings and gospel and teach the true gospel without all his gimmicks. I want to tear down only the false face of "another" gospel and the false prophesies.

Then it would be an awsome testimony and he would have the resources to reach people with the true gospel instead of what he's preaching if he would repent of it all.

I posted the information. People can compare what I posted with what he's teaching and find out what I showed is true or not.

I won't be posting as much as I'm working on a web site to address the issues with this as well as proper biblical interpretation and building people up in the faith.

Many people on here can attest that I have helped many come out of an abusive and false situation and get involved in a healthy well-balanced church. That is my goals.

M or Michael
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I was wondering, just like a lot of other people do, are Benny Hinn's healings really true, or is it just an act to get money? I have heard he has 89 million dollars for his ministry. Psychology and acting will only take you so far in modern medicine. If Benny Hinn has the cure for any incurable disease, such as Multiple Sclerosis, AIDS, ETC. let us all know.

I'm not saying he's a phoney or a true faith healer, although I have my opinion, I'm saying is what kind of diseases has he cured? How about atleast one testimony?
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I don't know medicine but I have talked to an individual that really thought that Benny Hinn was legitimate.

I tend to be very suspicious and cautious and think this is one of the easier individuals to come to a conclusion about. I am not interested in being taken by anyone (been there done that). I don't see this as blasphemy though (and God help me if it is). I see blasphemy as "deny God" or more specifically "denying that Christ is God".

I think the bible tells us to watch for heretics and the only way to do this is by making "judgments" about whether their teachings line up with the word of God.

I tend to agree with nwmomike that it would be great to see what would happen if individuals like this would preach "the great commission". I have major problems with how many ministries are set up in today's world - at least many of them. (I am not sure if Hinn's ministry is set up this way.) The way I understand the bible the great commission is given to the Church, specifically, the local churches. When ministries are outside of the church or an association of churches, the ministry does not have an appropriate method of accountability. What I see today is many individuals (probably well intended) setting up ministries outside the covering of the accountability of a local church. I could go on and on about this but this is not really the nature of this particular board.
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Hello M,

First thing's first,you need to tone it down a notch thar bud.(1)I don't have a clue what Benny Hinn teaches and I never pretended to,the ONLY thing I said was EVERBODY(you and me),read my post again, need's to be careful what they write off as fake,using God's name to make money,a fraud,or whatever label you want to put on something.

(2)I've never been to one of his(Benny Hinn's) meeting's,i've never heard ANY of his doctrine therefore I can in no way,and if I could I would'nt,get into one of those "I'm right you're wrong" spitting contest's that people seem to be drawn to.

(3)I'm kinda new to this site therefore I have only read a few of your post's and I don't have a clue as to what you DO believe because all I've seen talk's about what you DON'T believe and who's wrong about this or that.

(4)Are all preacher's and Christian's who have the same mindset "let this mind also be in you that was in Christ Jesus" as,(our model)the early church,out of touch with reality?Do you except the principle's and fundamental's of what the early church taught and just assumed that future Christian's would believe and teach?

(5)To clear up the whole "well this is what I believe Blasphemy means" deal,the word blasphemy(in tha greek mind you)come's from tha word "blasphemia" which mean's,"railing,evil speaking,reproachful speech injurious to another person's name".

Now Alot of thing's could be characterized as "blasphemy" but saying that something of God is really of tha devil is without question "blasphemy" and I've heard that very thing said MYSELF(with my own ear's) from one of the most prominent denomination's who preach and teach against tha "laying on of hand's,speaking in tongue's" and any other gift's of tha Spirit that tha 1st church practiced
and taught as, again, a fundamental or principle belief of tha Christian faith.They do however believe in preacher's, teacher's, evangelist but what are they preaching if it's not what our model(our example) told us to teach and to preach.

I've seen Benny Hinn on TV a few time's and I don't know what he say's outside tha service or what he say's when tha camera's aint a rollin but the part's I have seen all they do is tha Praise and Worship song's lifting up and magnifying tha Lord Jesus Christ(sound's Biblical) giving him tha honor and glory and praise that he so rightly deserve's(that too) and then people start saying that they've been healed by tha power of God(and that).

Now I don't,and neither do you or anybody else by tha way, know if all or some of these people(tha healed)are lying,got some emotional goose bump's,got paid to say they got healed or what,but I do know this tha Bible say's that "He(God)inhabit's("I'm thar")the Praise of his people" so that tell's me that if people go ta bragging on tha Lord and giving him Honor and Glory and Praise and lifting up his Holy name then you can count(it's a done deal)on him(tha Lord)showing up,and without a doubt God kinda thang's are gonna start happening when God show's up,whether folk's like it or not.

Maybe if more people would start ta Praising and a bragging on tha Lord he just might show up and "mess their little world up" ya reckon,course now we could'nt have that a goin on now could we?

Tha fact is is you(people,human's,folk's) either BELIEVE God can and still does mighty miracles right in front of your very eye's or you're not sure and really don't know or you BELIEVE he used ta do that "way back then" but that "that just don't happen no more".

However I know for a FACT that he can and still does because I almost destroyed my elbow while lifting weight's and they(tha doctor's)said they had done all that they could do and that I would "just have to take painkiller's(you know them kind that basically incapacitate ya)for tha rest of my life" because EVERYDAY tha pain was bordering on unbearable and suicide entered my mind more than I care to talk about.

But(i love that word)thank's be to God I know a man(a BELIEVER) who was just crazy enough to BELIEVE that EVERYTHANG God said he meant and that every thang God said that a BELIEVER would and could do he meant and he(tha BELIEVER)asked me if he could pray for me and he layed his hand's(oh my God,you know not!) on my elbow and DECLARED in tha mighty name of Jesus that according to Isaiah 53:5 that "and with his stripe's we are(already done)healed"and that "you(believer's)shall lay hand's on the sick and they(the afflicted) SHALL(you can count on it)recover".

That's been 17 year's ago and from that very moment it stopped and it has never hurt since then and I'm not a lunatic or a freak or a Holy Roller or any other label you might wish to put on me,I'm just an ol'country boy who BELIEVED that what God said he meant and that what he said he'd do he'd do,simple as that.

If someone had never seen a sunrise it would be impossible to convince them that indeed tha sun was gonna rise until they experienced it for themselve's so this is not in any way an attempt to get anyone to BELIEVE that in effect "tha world aint flat it's round!" because until it happen's to you or someone you know who's integrity is without question,then i'll be just another fool to ya I guess.

But now maybe you'll understand better my concern for people who might deem miracle's or tha working's of tha Holy Spirit as "of tha devil" or "seeking after a sign" ,gimmie a break ,I was'nt seeking no sign I just wanted my elbow ta quit hurting and ruining my life and a plain ol'man(not an Apostle or some super duper Christian),who just had Jesus living on tha inside of him,BELIEVED what Jesus said,reminded God of what his word promised,and did what it(God's Word) told him to do and what da ya know IT WORK'S,IT WORK'S IT WORK'S IT WORK'S,Praise be unto God!

In this lengthy post i've made it a point to capitalize the word BELIEVE and BELIEVER because if you BELIEVE what tha Word say's pertaining to certain thang's then they will happen.On the other hand if you don't BELIEVE what it say's then those very same thang's will not happen to or for you,so it's just a simple matter of do you BELIEVE or don't cha?

In tha book of Galatian's(what a powerful letter) 4:7 it say's "Wherefore thou art no more a servant,but a son(or daughter)".So I would ask tha "Church" why in tha world do most folk's run around like a bunch of lowly servant's "Oh Lord I don't deserve nothing i'm just a meek ol' soul trying ta make it!" when tha Word boldly PROCLAIM'S that we are now SON'S and DAUGHTER'S of tha most high God and we should be expecting only tha good and best from him because it is our's for tha having.

Salvation is without a doubt #1 but that's only part of it,he has so much more that he(God)expect's us to benefit from but it seem's that tha majority of his SON'S and DAUGHTER'S live way below the expectation's of God and that has ta break his heart (I pray it not be so in my life).

That's about a year's(or 2 maybe 3) worth a ramblin i guess so i'll leave ya'll alone now,God bless you all each and every one hope you all have a blessed THANKSGIVING.Bye
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Quote:First thing's first,you need to tone it down a notch thar bud.(1)I don't have a clue what Benny Hinn teaches and I never pretended to,the ONLY thing I said was EVERBODY(you and me),read my post again, need's to be careful what they write off as fake,using God's name to make money,a fraud,or whatever label you want to put on something.

Response: I understand that. Thank you. I sometimes do get hot about topics, especially when it comes to Benny Hinn. I’m sorry if I offended you or anything. I want to make clear what Benny Hinn is and is not which with it available on the internet, tapes, etc. it’s not hard. I wouldn’t go so far if I wasn’t so familiar with him, his teaching, and the results. I’ll tell more later.

(2)I've never been to one of his(Benny Hinn's) meeting's,i've never heard ANY of his doctrine therefore I can in no way,and if I could I would'nt,get into one of those "I'm right you're wrong" spitting contest's that people seem to be drawn to.

Response: I respect that. I’ve studied him for about the past 4 years. I’ve heard his preaching, read many documents on both sides of the issue. What he does is dangerous to say the least. Not only spiritually but physically.

(3)I'm kinda new to this site therefore I have only read a few of your post's and I don't have a clue as to what you DO believe because all I've seen talk's about what you DON'T believe and who's wrong about this or that.

Response: This site is about addressing cults and controlling groups. But since you asked I’ll be more than happy to:
I believe in the diety of Christ. Jesus is God in flesh (John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14). See also John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8 He is fully God and fully man.

he Doctrine of the deity of Christ includes:
1. The Trinity - There is one God who exists in three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are all coeternal, and of the same nature.
2. Monotheism - There is only one God in all existence (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8).

Salvation by Grace
1. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph. 2:8-9, NIV).

The Resurrection of Christ
1. "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" (1 Cor. 15:14). "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins" (1 Cor. 15:17).
2. To deny the physical resurrection is to deny Jesus' work, sacrifice, and our resurrection.
3. These verses clearly state that if you say that Jesus did not rise from the dead (in the same body He died in -- John 2:19-21), then your faith is useless.
The Gospel
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" (Gal. 1:8-9, NIV).
a. Verses 8 and 9 here in Galatians are a self declarative statement that you must believe the gospel. The gospel message which in its entirety is that Jesus is God in flesh, who died for sins, rose from the dead, and freely gives the gift of eternal life to those who believe.

1 Cor. 15:1-4 defines what the gospel is: "Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures" (NIV).

Don’t read anything into any of the statements other than for clarification.

A quick study of Benny Hinn’s teaching will reveal he teaches “another” gospel.

(4)Are all preacher's and Christian's who have the same mindset "let this mind also be in you that was in Christ Jesus" as,(our model)the early church,out of touch with reality?Do you except the principle's and fundamental's of what the early church taught and just assumed that future Christian's would believe and teach?

Response: Not quite sure what you’re getting at here. Sorry. I just need clarification. I showed what I believe in the essentials above. On the rest we can debate and still be brothers.

(5)To clear up the whole "well this is what I believe Blasphemy means" deal,the word blasphemy(in tha greek mind you)come's from tha word "blasphemia" which mean's,"railing,evil speaking,reproachful speech injurious to another person's name".

Now Alot of thing's could be characterized as "blasphemy" but saying that something of God is really of tha devil is without question "blasphemy" and I've heard that very thing said MYSELF(with my own ear's) from one of the most prominent denomination's who preach and teach against tha "laying on of hand's,speaking in tongue's" and any other gift's of tha Spirit that tha 1st church practiced
and taught as, again, a fundamental or principle belief of tha Christian faith.They do however believe in preacher's, teacher's, evangelist but what are they preaching if it's not what our model(our example) told us to teach and to preach.

Response: Instead of going into a long discussion I’ll refer you to:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html
http://answers.org/bible/blasphemy.html


Quote:I've seen Benny Hinn on TV a few time's and I don't know what he say's outside tha service or what he say's when tha camera's aint a rollin but the part's I have seen all they do is tha Praise and Worship song's lifting up and magnifying tha Lord Jesus Christ(sound's Biblical) giving him tha honor and glory and praise that he so rightly deserve's(that too) and then people start saying that they've been healed by tha power of God(and that).

Response: I’ve seen him on TV, heard recordings by him, and many other writings and know what he teaches. I realize that someone not aware of how he couches metaphysical beliefs in Christian terms and also teaches things that are clearly in contrast to the essentials. So he may be giving praise but to which God? Find out what he teaches on the nature of God. So if someone believes in a God that is different then he may be praising but what worth is it?

Quote:Now I don't,and neither do you or anybody else by tha way, know if all or some of these people(tha healed)are lying,got some emotional goose bump's,got paid to say they got healed or what,but I do know this tha Bible say's that "He(God)inhabit's("I'm thar")the Praise of his people" so that tell's me that if people go ta bragging on tha Lord and giving him Honor and Glory and Praise and lifting up his Holy name then you can count(it's a done deal)on him(tha Lord)showing up,and without a doubt God kinda thang's are gonna start happening when God show's up,whether folk's like it or not.

Response: I can agree at least partially. I can’t assume to know about all of them. What I do know is people have died believing they had been healed at his services and stopped treatment. He’s been confronted on this and has an excuse. Ministries have asked for medical proof of any healings and he has yet proved none. Also some of his displays are slide of hand tricks which has been discussed in details by experts.

Quote:Maybe if more people would start ta Praising and a bragging on tha Lord he just might show up and "mess their little world up" ya reckon,course now we could'nt have that a goin on now could we?

Response: We should praise the Lord and I do enjoy it. There is a time for that and I do it constantly. If you follow some of my older posts I want to take people from abusive situations and cults so they can praise the true God and not a false one.

Quote:Tha fact is is you(people,human's,folk's) either BELIEVE God can and still does mighty miracles right in front of your very eye's or you're not sure and really don't know or you BELIEVE he used ta do that "way back then" but that "that just don't happen no more".

Response: I do believe God can and does heal today. I don’t believe you can stand in line and God is just going to heal one after another like Binny supposedly does. I just don’t think it’s the norm. The apostle Paul and many others had sicknesses that were not healed. I seen mighty healings by God.

Quote:That's been 17 year's ago and from that very moment it stopped and it has never hurt since then and I'm not a lunatic or a freak or a Holy Roller or any other label you might wish to put on me,I'm just an ol'country boy who BELIEVED that what God said he meant and that what he said he'd do he'd do,simple as that.

Response: I’m glad you were healed so if anything I would say praise the Lord.

Quote:But now maybe you'll understand better my concern for people who might deem miracle's or tha working's of tha Holy Spirit as "of tha devil" or "seeking after a sign" ,gimmie a break ,I was'nt seeking no sign I just wanted my elbow ta quit hurting and ruining my life and a plain ol'man(not an Apostle or some super duper Christian),who just had Jesus living on tha inside of him,BELIEVED what Jesus said,reminded God of what his word promised,and did what it(God's Word) told him to do and what da ya know IT WORK'S,IT WORK'S IT WORK'S IT WORK'S,Praise be unto God!

Response: I understand your point. I’m clearly making a distinction that if someone’ teachings clearly deny the essentials, define the nature of God and the work of Christ which are anti-thetical to the clear teachings of scripture then why would God have any part of it? If they are healed as part of Benny’s service it’s in spite of him. I do believe in miracles and that God can and does heal. But there is enough evidence against Benny that his teachings and actions clearly do not fall in line with scripture. Satan never comes out and says “accept this lie”. He couches lies and deceptions with enough truth to deceive people. That’s what you have to watch out for. I’m so glad he healed you.

Quote:That's about a year's(or 2 maybe 3) worth a ramblin i guess so i'll leave ya'll alone now,God bless you all each and every one hope you all have a blessed THANKSGIVING.Bye

Response: Hey, rambling is allowed. If it wasn’t I’d be in trouble quickly. Lol Hopefully we maybe get a better idea where each is coming from now at least. Again I apologize if my intentions weren’t clear. Sometimes it takes a couple of rounds of discussion to clarify where each is coming from.

God bless you and your family as well and have a happy Thanksgiving.

M or Michael
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Benny Hinn is one of the biggest frauds ive ever seen. If anyone is all about the money its not Deion Sanders, rap stars or Donald Trump its definately him.
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Hello M,



In my first post I should have started by saying God bless you my brother but I did'nt and I'm sorry for that but anyway God bless you my brother.




I really enjoyed reading your post because now I definetly know that you love tha Lord and I believe you speak from a pure heart for a lack of better word's.

I've not seen it all in my short life but I have seen enough to know that sometime's thing's aint what they seem and some people just know which button's to push and get the desired effect their after but I will let tha Lord deal with these folk's and just pray that if they're(or any of us" in error that tha Lord will reveal it and that we'll be willing to change if need be.

It's apparent that you've done an exhaustive and thorough look into Benny's ministry and I can feel your sincerity to find tha truth therefore I have ta believe everythang you said and that's really sad because Benny's in a position to really hurt or help multitude's of people.

One thang I do know is that God can and does work in anyone's life whether they're a Christian or not because when God healed me I was'nt a Christian,I had been raised in Bible believing miracle seeing church atmosphere but I had never recieved Jesus as tha Lord of my life but I did know that he was real and tha plan of Salvation and thing's like that but I had never transfered my head knowledge to my heart.

I do believe that God can do thing's inspite of ourselves and relationship with him and I'm Thankful that he can because he was there for me when the only thing I had on mind was me.

Personally I believe that if all believer's knew their place in God and just exactly who we are in him that there would'nt be any need for any so called "Healing Ministry's" because Jesus live's inside every believer and that WE tha Body of Christ on an indivdual basis should be doing what he told us to do and not be backward or uncomfortable in doing it.

I strongly believe that tha future of tha Body is really gonna be a sight to behold and I hope I live long enough to see it come to pass as the Scripture describe's it because it will finally take it's rightfulplace down here and be all that Jesus intended for us to be as his repesentatives.

I sometime's think of where it say's that he(Jesus) has "SAT DOWN at tha right hand of the Father" LOL
that mean's to me that if he's SAT DOWN then he's done did all he needed to do don't it PRAISE GOD that make's me smile!


God bless you M, I pray tha Lord's continued blessing's on you and your family my dear brother,and may you never lose your zeal and passion for God and his truth and again I say bless you.
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When Jesus gave his Disciples authority to cure every manner of sickness and disease and to cast out demons(MATT. 10:1) he didn't say exactly how to do it, he just said to do it. I beleive in modern medicine, Polio Shots. Recently he skin disease Psoriasis has almost been cured, by a discovery of some type of cream by a biotechnology company. I also believe (Acts 3:6). I believe in what the Bible says about healing.

(1) (Forgiveness of Sins).I believe in the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, that by believing in the crucifixion of Christ and asking for his forgiveness, I am by faith forgiven of my sins. John 1:29 "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" (NIVBiblegateway).(Mark 10:45), (Hebrews 9:26), (1 John 2:2).




(2) (Eternal Life and Ressurrection). By believing in Jesus Christ and the crucifixion and teachings of Christ I will inherit eternal life, a life in heaven for eternity.John 3:15
“that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.[ 3:15 Or believes may have eternal life in him]” (NIV Biblegateway). (1 Cor. 15:1-5),(1 Cor. 15:12-19).

(3) (Holy Trinity). Father son and Holy Spirit.

(4) The Holy Spirit's Authorship of Scripture. (Acts 1:16), (Heb. 3:7, 10:15).

(5) The Holy Spirit is the interpreter of Scripture. (Eph. 1:17)

(6) The Holy Spirit Teaches us. 1 Corinthians 2
13"This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words."(NIV BIBLEGATEWAY).

(7) Repentance. Matthew 4:17 "From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."(NIV Biblegateway).

(8) Justified by grace. (Rom. 3:24, Titus 3:7).

(9) Prayer. (Mark 1:35, Luke 6:12, Acts 6:4).

(10) Judgement. (Acts 10:42, 2 Tim. 4;1, 2 Cor. 5:10, Rom. 14:10).

A very brief discription of what I believe as a Christian.

I'm sure that the Lord will reveal the truth about Benny Hinn's healings to us all some time.

I put my faith in things eternal. Although I know that I do need money to get some of things necassary to this life, and I try to use what I have for the glory of God. I for one would like to see people healed that are in wheel chairs, like Peter did in (Acts 3:6).

Also I'm new to this forum.

May God Bless us all. And have a happy Thanksgiving!
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bubba (bubba)
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To Medicine,

If your post was meant for me I was talking to M or Michael thus the "Hello M" not "Hello Medicine".

Regardless God bless you as well.
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Bless you to bubba, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

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Jesus himself said that many would come in his name and do miracle in his name and would deceive many. We are admonished by the apostles to test the spirits to see whether they are of god.

Many of the miracles of Benny Hinn ministrys are regarded by experts kirk kock in the field of the occult and the distinquished Walter Martin to be false. There is absolutely no biblical precident for "being slayed in the spirit" in the bible. The only "Slaying in the spirit was when they tried to arrest Jesus and the guards where SlAIN by the power of the spirit and fell backwards. By the way Jesus reply was Ego Emi(I AM HE) referring to the old testament title of I Am.
Jesus miracles were direct, complete and done with no pomp and ceremony. When he healed he healed completely. They never had to keep believing to maintain their healing.

Why at Benny Hinn's ministrys do the ones in wheel chairs and the ones who are desperately ill have to stay in the back while the important seats go to pastors and the "distingushed in the religious community. Why does Benny Hinn dress the way he does and why are his meetings garish and hypnotic. This does not witness to my spirit as being from God.
Dont ever forget that SATAN CAN PERFORM MIRACLES> Read kirk Kochs books on the occult. Read about the occult. You will be astounded by the similiarity to Hinn and occult practices.

Yes only god knows his heart but what he does certainly does not witness to my spirit and I will take Jesus counsel and Not follow him
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http://fakefaithhealers.com/faithhealerormesmerist.htm

I found this after thinking about a statement exposer said. I think this form of of mesmerism is rampant with the TBN crowd. Unfortunately, I expect that they all are fake.
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http://www.sherryshriner.com/audio/music/Hinn.wav
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He may have power but it does not come from Yahweh. I don't know what to make of the growling and hissing but it is NOT from God.
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Watch tomorrow March the 6th,The T.V program DATELINE 7 pm.
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Expose on Benny Hinn... tonite at about 7PM Central Standard Time...
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ZAZ - thanks for the heads up. Just finished watching it. I watched the 2002 version and the Benny Hinn show that followed in 2002. Very interesting stuff. In 2002, I believed Benny and thought Dateline was out of line. But, they were much more convincing this time around. The hotel room expenses were crazy. I also remember just crying at the testimony of the little boy. So, it breaks my heart that his eyes were not healed and that he felt responsible for making excuses for the Lord.
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It should come as no suprise to most that Benny Hinn lives such an extravagant lifestyle, this is PTL 20 years later, the difference now being there is the "Prosperity Doctrine" that is being used to justify this lifestyle, the problem I have with the NBC program is why as Christians do we need NBC exposing these issues? NBC has there own motives and it certaintly isn't to build up the Body of Christ. The watchdog Ole Anthony is creepy. Christians need to be smarter and ask God for wisdom in these areas.
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GREAT dateline special! It also made me want to barf hearing about his lavish lifestyle of trips to Rodeo Drive on shopping sprees and side trips to Milano, Cancun and Hawaii for "layover" trips AFTER crusades.
People must be really stupid to keep supporting a charlatan like this! Well, God will NOT be mocked and one fine day ol' Benny will stand NAKED, not in a designer suit, before his maker and give an account for ALL the lies and people he has stepped on and used!
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Does benny hinn or does God get credit for the healing???? Who does benny say heals him or God?????? I dont' agree with how he spends money. I dont' agree with all the flash. But who gets the glory God or benny. Every born again Christian has the same power to ask God for healing. WE just dont' exercise it. If you pray for someone and you take credit for healing someone you are wrong. God is the healer always has been and always will be.
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What healings?
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did anyone see the piece on him on Dateline NBC this past Sunday

and also


why are Church Leaders so complacent and blind eyed to calling guys like Hinn for the Frauds that they are or is it the Christian Community feels it is okay to turn a blind eye to Deception in the Church
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Because there are too many that don't want the light turned on them.

All this makes me sad because people like Hinn are taking money from people who really need it. What kind of person can do this and not feel guilty?
Does he have a conscience? I believe that he knows he is just taking peoples money and doesn't care. Why do people defend him?
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heard someone on radio talk show in my area doing a talk show about him only a very few beleived in him i for one do not accept what he preaches or teaches i think he is a prosperty preacher and some one who cant make up his mind if he is catholic or protestant i do not listen to him at all
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jane,i know why people keep defending him is simple

Deception is a lot better to have than the truth for some people
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billiefan2000, read the above posts MANY saw the broadcast and are tasting the food they ingested BEFORE watching this bilge!
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billiefan,
For some they don't take Jesus' words seriously about being persecuted for His sake. When you stand up for truth it will rub people the wrong way. So most opt for an easy believism that says you just warm the pews and wait for the bus to take you home. But like you said, most people don't want to admit they are deceived and would rather live a lie than face the fact they had been duped. That's one of the biggest problems for people recognizing they're in a cult or abusive church. Kind of like alcoholism huh? The first part is to admit you have a problem.

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Listen to Hank Hanegraaf or go to www.equip.org. They're constantly getting calls into the talk show about Hinn and they play exerpts from some of Hinn's speaking engagements to demonstrate what he teaches and the problem. But boy, mention Benny Hinn to Hank and he is off and running with that one. He's talked to Benny in person about some of his teachings but he refuses to change. So Hank really wants to get the message out to people that his teachings are dangerously false and deceiving. But people have short memories. He can prophecy something to come to pass and it doesn't yet when he gives another prophecy they flock right to him.

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This is from Trinity Foundation |

The Price of Healing
For Critics of Extravagant Faith Healer Benny Hinn, the Good Book Isn't Enough. They Want His Ministry to Be an Open Book.

By WILLIAM LOBDELL
William Lobdell is a Times staff writer who covers religion.

Reprinted from the Los Angeles Times July 27, 2003

The hands of faith healer Benny Hinn—tools of a televangelist recognized around the world—are slim, almost feminine. The fingers are delicate, nails manicured and polished. A gold wedding band, so wide it covers the bottom of his left ring finger from knuckle to knuckle like a piece of copper pipe, bears the insignia of his church. The dove, symbolizing the Holy Spirit, sparkles with a cluster of diamonds.

These small, soft hands could be one of two things: anointed by God to heal the sick, or props in a televangelist money-making scheme that preys on the vulnerable. Shades of gray aren't a part of the Benny Hinn story.

Financially, at least, he's the world's most successful faith healer, having received $89 million in donations last year, according to officials with his ministry, World Healing Center Church. His followers pack stadiums here and abroad for his free events called "Miracle Crusades." He conducts about 24 of these each year, traveling in a leased Gulfstream jet. Attendance averages 50,000 to 60,000 people over two days, with a crusade in Kenya two years ago drawing 1.2 million worshippers, organizers say.

From his broadcast center in Orange County, Hinn's "This Is Your Day" show is one of the most-watched Christian TV programs in the world, with viewers in 190 countries. In the U.S., it runs on purchased air time more than 200 times each week on 80 stations, ministry officials say. The shows are translated into Spanish, Romanian, Norwegian, Italian, Hindi and Tamil.

In response, a pack of self-deputized watchdogs has made a cottage industry out of critiquing and mocking Hinn. They check the pastor's broadcasts for theological oddities such as this one: "Adam was a super-being when God created him. I don't know whether people know this, but he was the first superman that really ever lived. . . . Adam not only flew, he flew to space. With one thought he would be on the moon."

They also hold up unfulfilled prophesies as evidence that Hinn is a charlatan: "You're going to have people raised from the dead watching [the Trinity Broadcasting Network]. I see rows of caskets lining up in front of this TV set . . . and I see actual loved ones picking up the hands of the dead and letting them touch the screen and people are getting raised." And they monitor, as best they can, the results of Hinn's Miracle Crusades, events that they believe give false hope to the sick and handicapped.

"Of course it bothers me," says Hinn of the criticism that often focuses on his lifestyle. He lives with his wife and three children in a multimillion-dollar oceanfront mansion near the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Dana Point. "I know me, and those close to me know me. But sadly, the outside world thinks I'm some kind of a crook. I think it's time for me to change that."

Hinn, 50, is known to casual channel surfers as the televangelist with the thick Middle Eastern accent, the white Nehru jackets and the swirl of salt-and-pepper hair that's been described as a soufflé. He's perhaps most famous for the seeming ability to send believers fainting backward with a flick of his hand. As the climax of each crusade, Hinn touches devotees—people who say they have just been healed—and they fall over onstage, arms and legs shaking, eyes rolling up in their heads. They are said to be "slain in the Spirit"—overcome by God's presence. Sometimes it only takes a mighty wave of Hinn's hand, and entire sections of an arena crowd fall back in their seats.

But now, Hinn says he wants the public to know more about him than the controversies, or his physical appearance and showmanship—distinct enough to be mimicked by Steve Martin in the 1994 movie "Leap of Faith."

He admits that even one of his daughters, now 11, had a difficult time figuring him out: "One day she asked me a question that absolutely blew me away—from my own child! 'Daddy, who are you? That man up there [onstage], I don't know.' If my own child is asking that, surely the whole world is asking that."

The pastor says he's come to believe that his insular ministry needs to be open to public scrutiny for its prosperity to continue. The secrecy, Hinn says, has led to unflattering exposés in the media, including several network television investigations.

The latest was an hourlong "Dateline NBC" special in December that revealed allegations of financial impropriety by one of Hinn's former associates, dubious claims of healings and details of the pastor's luxurious lifestyle. Hinn tried to limit the damage by rebutting the charges in front of faithful viewers on the Trinity Broadcasting Network, or TBN.

Looking into the camera, Hinn said the attacks were orchestrated by Satan and that he has prayed to the Lord repeatedly that before "I injure Your name, take me out. Before I harm Your kingdom, kill me." The spin didn't work. Donations dipped by 12% for the first quarter of this year, say ministry officials, a result of bad publicity and the weak economy that has hurt other nonprofits.

In an attempt to clear up his image, Hinn suggests meeting a Times reporter at the Four Seasons hotel in Newport Beach. Accompanied by bodyguards, Hinn arrives in his new Mercedes-Benz G500, an SUV that retails for about $80,000. He is dressed casually in black, from designer sunglasses to leather jacket to shoes. His trademark hair has been brushed forward, bangs hanging over his forehead like Caesar. Joining him at a table in the hotel's restaurant are a public relations consultant and two ministry associates, while his bodyguards and another public relations man wait in the lobby. Hinn fiddles with his cell phone, which sports a Mercedes logo.

Because the World Healing Center Church is recognized as a religious institution, Hinn is not obligated under federal law to release information publicly about its revenue or the identities of its board of directors. But at this meeting, he says he has nothing to hide.

"I'll tell you this," Hinn says, a likable guy who is bewildered that he could generate so much hostility. "I'm an open book. I think it's time for me to just say, 'Let me give you the blunt truth.' "

That's easier said than done. First, Hinn declines to divulge his salary. (He told CNN in 1997 that he earns between $500,000 and $1 million annually, including book royalties.) "Look, any amount I make, somebody's going to be mad," he says.

He offers to make available his ministry's general financial picture, along with access to his accountant—both unprecedented. "When it comes to the income of the ministry, I have no problem talking about it or what happens to the money," Hinn says. "We believe our partners are entitled to know what happens to their money." But two weeks later, he backtracks, saying his board won't allow it.

The pastor also promises to expand the ministry's three-member board—the guardians of the nonprofit—and to reveal their names. If they don't like the exposure, Hinn says, they can resign. Several months later, a Hinn spokesman says the board was expanded to five members, but the names will remain secret "for the board members' security."

But just before this story went to press, Hinn and his board changed their minds and had their public relations consultant provide the names. The board veterans are Hinn; Bill Swad, described as an Ohio businessman who authors books such as "Don't Let Satan Steal Your Harvest"; and Steve Brock, a pastor and featured soloist for the Miracle Crusades. New members, according to the ministry, are Bob Inello, a businessman from Boston, and Doug Wead, former special assistant to President George H.W. Bush and author of "All the President's Children."

Hinn does reveal that the $89 million taken in by his church in 2002 is a record for his Grapevine, Texas-based ministry, which has experienced double-digit growth during the past three years through direct-mail requests, viewer donations and offerings taken at the Miracle Crusades. By comparison, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Assn. had revenues of $96.6 million in 2001, the last year available.

Many of Hinn's financial practices go against those set forth by the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability, an organization that gained popularity after the televangelist scandals of the 1980s as Christian groups sought legitimacy in the eyes of donors. The council's standards include maintaining an independent board of directors with at least five members and allowing the public to view its finances.

Dan Busby, the council's vice president, says the lack of financial transparency in ministries doesn't necessarily deter donors: "Our experience has been that a charismatic, religious personality like Benny Hinn tends to attract very devoted followers who donate to his or her particular ministry regardless what anyone says about the leader."

Hinn's disclosure in an interview that his ministry generated $160 million in revenue the past two years is a gold nugget of data that Christian watchdogs have been trying to get at for years. The Trinity Foundation, a nonprofit Christian watchdog group in Dallas, has sent undercover spies to infiltrate Hinn's ministry, as well as to dig through trash cans to gain access to financial records at the pastor's headquarters and television studios.

"He promised me 10 years ago that his personal and ministry finances would be an open book," says Ole Anthony, president of the Trinity Foundation, dismissing Hinn's latest vow for more candor. "Hinn's incredible wealth and lifestyle does more harm to Christianity than all of his preaching."

But finances aren't the initial question in viewers' minds, Hinn says. The first question they ask him on the street is: Are you and the healings real?

For William Vandenkolk of Las Vegas, the answer is no. Sitting cross-legged in front of a big-screen TV, the 11-year-old squints through Coke-bottle glasses at a Miracle Crusade video made more than two years ago in which he starred as a boy who miraculously recovered from blindness. "I liked it at first because I thought I was being healed," says William in the living room of his aunt and uncle's home.

On the screen, Hinn bends down to William, his hands on the child's face. "Look at these tears," says Hinn, peering into the child's eyes. "William, baby, can you see me?"

Before more than 15,000 people in a Las Vegas arena, William nods. In a small voice, the boy says: "As soon as God healed me, I could see better." Hinn, an arm wrapped around William, tells the audience that God has told him to pay the child's medical expenses and education. People weep. Today William is still legally blind and says his sight never improved, and that his onstage comments were wishful thinking.

"It's pretty sad when you mess with a little boy's mind," says Randy Melthratter, William's uncle and guardian. Melthratter says it took two years, a series of phone calls and a reporter's inquiry before his family was told where a $10,000 fund had been set up in William's name. Family members say they still haven't received any paperwork on how to access the money. For their part, ministry officials say they were told that William's sight improved initially and that Melthratter was kept fully apprised of his nephew's fund.

Brian Darby, who has worked for 21 years with severely handicapped people in Northern California, says he has witnessed firsthand the disappointment left in the wake of a Hinn Miracle Crusade. Over the years, he says, many of his clients have attended the events, where they were swept up in a wave of excitement, thinking they were about to walk for the first time or have their limbs straightened. "You can't minimize the impact of not being healed on the person, the family, the extended family," Darby says. "They have a sense of euphoria at the crusade and then crash down. [Hinn is not] around to pick up the pieces."

Raymond Scott tells a different story. In 1995, the Bakersfield resident had advanced colon cancer, a disease that required chemotherapy, radiation and multiple operations. In desperation, Scott attended a Hinn crusade in Sacramento, where, he says, God cured him. His doctor, Alan D. Cartmell of Bakersfield, wrote in his medical report that Scott "experienced a miraculous healing" and can return to all normal activities "following this amazing recovery." "My medical records prove what God's done," says Scott, adding that he has remained free of cancer. "[Hinn] is a facilitator of the Holy Spirit. He never claims that he does the healing. God does."

At each crusade, hundreds of people line up to offer testimonials of the healing they have received during the service. For critics, this is the most dangerous aspect of Hinn's ministry: People who believe they are cured and abandon their medical treatments without bothering to see a doctor.

In response, Hinn started the Miracle Follow-Up Department in 1992 to encourage those who believe they are cured to get checked out by their doctors before they stop using medications. The department also recommends continued prayer and churchgoing. Still, Hinn's unrelenting message—if you believe, you can be healed—is contagious enough to cause fans to take extreme chances to prove their faith.

The alleged healings on Hinn's television shows inspired 21-year-old Jordie Gibson to stop kidney dialysis as an act of faith and fly from Calgary, Canada, to the Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim in late February for a Miracle Crusade. "When I told my doctors, they said they could make arrangements for me to do dialysis" in Orange County, Gibson says. "But I was going to be healed, so it didn't matter. I needed to step out in faith."

A volunteer usher at the event, Gibson pushed up the sleeve of his shirt to show the shunt in his arm for dialysis. "I feel great," he says.

Back in Canada weeks after the crusade, Gibson says blood work shows his kidneys are functioning better, though he has had to resume dialysis. "Whatever the Bible says is true," Gibson says. "And it says God can heal you. It's true. All you need to do is ask."

Hinn is the latest in a line of American faith healers, a group that has ranged from traveling preachers holding services in dusty tents to televangelists such as Oral Roberts, a frequent guest on Hinn's show. Hinn was born in Israel, one of six boys and two girls. His father's family came from Greece, his mother's from Armenia. Their children were raised in the Greek Orthodox faith.

The family moved to Toronto when Benny was 15. As a high school senior, he abandoned his Greek Orthodox roots for Pentecostalism—an act of family defiance that Hinn says earned him a trip to a psychiatrist.

Two years later, in 1973, he heard the faith healer Kathryn Kuhlman preach. Afterward, Hinn says, he had an eight-hour experience with the Holy Spirit during a night that changed the direction of his life. "It seemed that my room had been lifted into the hemisphere of heaven," Hinn wrote in his book, "Good Morning, Holy Spirit."

From there, he has said his ministry work kept him too busy to attend college as he became an itinerant evangelist, preaching mostly in Canada and the U.S. Beginning in 1983, as pastor of the Orlando Christian Center in Florida, he built a rapidly growing following as a charismatic preacher who could speak in tongues and deliver God's healing touch to the sick.

It was here that his television ministry began, first on local broadcasts and then on larger networks such as TBN. In 1990, he began monthly healing crusades around the country, furthering his national profile. In 1999, Hinn resigned as pastor of the Orlando church to concentrate on his television ministry. He moved his headquarters to the Dallas-Fort Worth area and now employs 170 people. About 55 people work at Hinn's broadcasting operation in Orange County's Laguna Hills.

On the road, Hinn's healing services—sophisticated, choreographed productions that can last more than four hours—include a long warmup featuring robed choirs from local churches, hip videos and audience members shaking violently and speaking in tongues. All of it is captured on television equipment that Hinn brings to each crusade along with his own production crew—seven cameras and a staff of as many as 100 (though 35 are unpaid volunteers).

The pastor first appears during a rendition of "How Great Thou Art," stepping triumphantly onstage. He asks anyone to come forward who wants to believe in Christ. Hundreds, many in tears, walk down the arena's aisles to the stage, hear a prayer from Hinn and are handed literature that includes a list of nearby churches.

After more music, Hinn starts reciting the healings that are taking place throughout the arena. Within a 10-minute span at the Anaheim crusade in February, the pastor proclaims that those individuals with asthma, cancerous tumors, arthritis, leukemia, emphysema and 22 other ailments are cured.

Though he seldom mentions it onstage, the next day at the Four Seasons Hinn says that he does wonder why God doesn't heal some people. It's a question that the pastor has had to wrestle with personally. He says he has a heart condition that God hasn't cured, and his parents have suffered serious medical problems. "That is a very difficult thing for me because I told my daddy to believe," Hinn says. "But he died. Now I don't know why."

The concession that some people don't get healed is relatively new to him. "There was a time in my life I would have never said those things," Hinn admits. "But you have to, I mean, goodness. My mom has diabetes, my daddy died with cancer. That's life."

He also says he realizes that not everyone who comes onstage with him is healed when he lays his hands on them. "There's the real and the genuine, and there's the phony," Hinn says. "All I know is that I pray for them. What happens between them and God is between them and God."

The highlight of the Miracle Crusades comes when people in the crowd who believe that they've felt God's healing touch make their way to the stage, get past the ministry's screeners who attempt to weed out any pretenders, and stand face to face with Hinn. Ushers take any wheelchairs that have been abandoned and place them onstage, evidence of a merciful God.

Before a capacity crowd at the Arrowhead Pond, believers tell the pastor that they've been healed of heart ailments, knee problems, osteoporosis, breast cancer, deafness and scores of other conditions—before Hinn applies his touch to their foreheads, leaving people scattered like bowling pins across the stage. He concedes that sometimes his showmanship detracts from God's healing work, and he says that he has cut down on some of the theatrics—like waving his jacket or blowing on people to "slay them in the Spirit."

"People ask why I do certain things [with] people falling everywhere and flying all over the stage," he says. "You want to present Him properly. Because we're human beings, we're not always going to be perfect."

Justin Peters, a Southern Baptist minister from Mississippi, remembers going to a faith-healing service as a teenager, wanting God to heal his cerebral palsy. Next to him, an elderly man in a wheelchair emptied his wallet into the offering bucket, a move that caught the eye of the preacher. Peters recalls the pastor pointing to the man and saying, "Brother, before this night is over, you're going to walk out of here!"

Peters, now 29, says he remembers looking over at the elderly man, still in the wheelchair, and seeing the anguish in his eyes at the end of the service. "It was something you see and never forget." Peters decided to become a pastor and, through his ministry, expose faith healers who give false hope. He wrote his master's thesis at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, on Hinn. "He is a false prophet in every sense of the word," Peters says. "His theology is wretched, and he's also a huckster."

Still, Peters says it would make sense that some healings occur at a Miracle Crusade because it brings together tens of thousands in prayer. "As much disdain as I have for Benny Hinn, the vast majority of people who see him are real Christians," Peters says. "When 25,000 people are praying for God to heal them, it would be surprising if God did not heal some."

The Trinity Foundation's Anthony says that Hinn could blunt much of the criticism by enacting a six-month waiting period before broadcasting the healings, time enough to document their veracity. The pastor says he rejected the request for practical reasons. Besides the expense of tracking the medical histories of hundreds of people, he says, his daily viewers have an insatiable need to see footage of new healings.

"People say, 'Look, I'm not going to watch you if you don't have healings,' " Hinn says. "Our supporters support us for one reason, people pray for us for one reason—because of the healing ministry." The pastor says he soon plans to show follow-up segments that will feature updates on people who were healed years ago.

Sitting back in his chair, Hinn shakes his head over how tough his job has become. He says being a pastor in the healing ministry is a profession he would never choose for himself, but he is called to it by God.

"It's not been a pleasant life," Hinn says. "[People] think we're in it for the money. They think that God doesn't really heal, so these guys are just fooling the world. I'd be a fool to be in this for the money. If I did not believe God healed, I'd quit tomorrow and go get a job."
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Mr.Benny Hinn, Please do not show miracles to the People , try to show them the God.
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nwmomike
You mentioned studying his doctrine of B. Hinn.
Could you let me know what it is he teaches without a lot of fluff. I want to see for my self where there is error, not for my self but to explain to someone I know who supports him and believes in him.
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Mr.Benny Hinn, Please do not show miracles to the People , try to show them the God.
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God heals today, yesterday, and forever! He hasn't changed. The Bible says.........
"Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever!"
"I am the the Lord that healeth thee"

There are reasons given in the Bible why a person who prays does not see the manifestation of their healing and............Why some people who get healed later lose their healing.

Jesus showed one of the main reasons. HE said it was because of "unbelief" to the disciples. Jesus himself was hindered by unbelief. "he could do no mighty works because of their unbelief."
Unbelief comes in different forms... such as
1."lack of knowledge"
2. ignorance of Gods word.
3. exalting circumstances above Gods word and the power of God to heal in any
circumstances. "with God all things are possible"
4. refusal to believe Gods word
5. looking at the circumstance instead of believing the promises of God, causing unbelief to negate and hinder ones faith. "looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. Who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross" Heb 12
6. Wrong praying...such as not "believing to receive when you pray" Mark 11:23

God will is "that all be saved and come to the knowledge of God". But still many die without accepting Christ asn their Lord and saviour even though its Gods will that all be saved.

God's will is that all be healed yet many are not healed. "Jesus went about doing good healing ALL" Acts 13:8

soteria and sozo are the Greek new testament words for healing and salvation meaning to be made completely whole spirit soul and body.
Healing is included with salvation in the atonement of Christ who suffered for all sickness in His body.
Faith is the bridge and power that manifests healing from the spiritual to the physical realm.
God is a Spirit. We are spirits, we have a soul(mind,thoughts, will and emotion) and we live in a body.

Don't throw out the healing power of God available to "whosoever who will call upon the name of the Lord" jusgt because you don't like a few people you don'tr like. Don'd judge Gods word by people or circumstance. Judge God's word by God. "LEt God be true and every man a liar" for "All the promises of God are Yes and AMEN!"
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No one said God does not heal; however, they have said Benny Hinn's a charlatan and crook, which he is, who takes advantage of people who are desperate for a cure and lives LAVISHLY off of their "tithes" and "offerings" which is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
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mksugumaran,I agree

I think the preachers who push Hinn as being legit need to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ instead of the Gospel of Benny Hinn
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People do get healed at Benny Hinn. There is a physical presence annointing of the Holy Spirit that you can actually feel at times during his meetings. God used a donkey in the Bible and he willl use anyone wiling to be a conduit for his love and power. ("The giftrs and calling are without repentance") God is pleased by faith "without faith its impossible to please God" Heb 11:6
You need to go to a meeting and find out for yourselves. Benny Hinn is just willing to take all the flack, look stupid to some people and still believe in Gods loving unlimited power to heal.

Now as far as him driving $80,000 plus cars and living extravagantly that's not only bad stewardship and wrong, it's just plain stupid.

Give no place to cause anyone to stumble by your actions. To live that way only INVITES ridicule and it causes some to never trust God, and get offended. Thus losing the opportunity to be healed. It discredits his ministry.

Hinn about ten years ago promised to sell all his mercedes and expensive and lavish things but I guess that didn't last long. WEll there are other legitimate people with the spiritual "Gifts of Healing" operating with real results. Unless you don't have your faith built up and unbelief perged to manifest healing you don't need to see these people. Corporate prayer and the laying on of hands, annointing with oil, speaking tho the mountain(sickeness) to be removed, and the prayer of agreement in the name of Jesus all work well. Sometimes people with unbelief blocking and hindering their faith too much need others to overcome and negate the unbelief (to make the circuit so to speak and stop the power blockage).

The wise thing is to never let anything we can control by our behavior to stand in the way of God saving and healing.

But if it comes down to choosing to getting healed or being offended. Healed is wise Godly and better choice.
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Gigi Avila for one! I'd be curious to know what
he thinks of Hinn's stewardship!
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Well, Benny Hinn is a true servant of God. God of Bible does mighty miracles, heals people and wipes away the tears of people. God of Bible is unchanging God, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. What He did yesterday, He can do today and also in future.

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How can a man/woman satisfy by simple healing of their deceases. Ok after all the deceses healed what will they do? Don't anybody including Benny hinn think of it? If Benny Hinn cures all, why the Hospitals? If you say God cures only believers, it is only an escapism? You are only showing stage drama or magic. Those who speak for Benny hinn are all mouth pieces.
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B. Hinn in 1994, on channel 66, a Christian TV channel, in Sacramento, CA said that when he was in the Philippines he had admitted to God that (because it does not work in poverty nations) the prosperity message was not God's message! He went on to say that he had repented of it and would never preach it again! And he did stay away from it for nearly four months! As the income continued to drop he apparently went back to it and has not veered since.
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Benny Hinn is a servant of God. God of bible is son of god. Do you think others are bearers of servant of god? If so it is nothing but nonsense. May be christians but not others.
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huh?
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I guess I have to ask some questions.
1. Does Benny Hinn prophecy falsely? In other words does he says things are going to happen in the future and it doesn't happen?
Hint - look up when he prophecied that God would destroy the homosexual community. There is lots of other examples.

2. What does Benny Hinn teach about the nature of God, atonement, etc, and does it follow proper scritural interpretation and what orthodox Christianity has believed since it's start?

3. Can Satan do lying signs and wonders?

4. What does the Bible say about listening to anyone who prophecies falsely, leads you to follow a false god, or knowingly deceives people?

What you will find is it doesn't matter if he empties the hospitals it will not do a hill of beans worth of good if he leads people to follow a false god that cannot save. It's better to heal the soul than to heal the body only to die and end up in hell.

I've provided the links necesary to find out the truth and examine it for yourself.

Michael
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God also gave me the assignment to not to be fooled by people like benny hinn and be aware of such frauds.
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Prophet Lodelia Tate,

I bet you're black. Some of you black people beleive anything a white man tells you as long as he's white. I bet the pictures of Jesus in your house are all artist conceptions of a blond, blue-eyed man. I'd like to see your bank deposits and reconcile how much of Benny Hinn's tainted money you've received to push his dollar ministry. Or, maybe you just do it for his approval. Loose that money! Remember, a fool and his money are soon parted.

In Service to expose you

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Truthseen: I don't like the posts by Lodelia, either, but your comment was way over the line. Racist remarks aren't ever justified and they are actually more offensive than any posts Lodelia has made. As a white person, I am embarrassed by your remarks.

By the way, just as a point of interest, most of the audience I have seen on TV clips of Benny Hinn's audicences are comprised of white people.
And believe me, I am NO Benny Hinn fan at all. It is just an observation.
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Point well taken ontheroad,

However, I think it's racist for black people to worship a eurocentric conception of Christ. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that if Christ was born somewhere in the middle east, his earthly being was not caucasion. The middle-eastern ethnicity has maintained itself for thousands of years. And for Black People to accept that and buy into it, they aren't thinking or they may rather want their Christ to be white. Maybe slavery mentality. If you look at JW literature, an overwhelming majority of human representation is caucasian. Whatssup with that. I guess the individuals who write this literature are comfortable with that kind of lopsideness.

My opinion,

Truthseen
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Benny Hinn is a fool and those who gather to his preachings are possessed by foolish beliefs. Lodelia is a greater fool than Benny Hinn. He is doing multilevel marketing to Benny Hinn and other such fools. Please keep away from these stupids.
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God spoke about Lodelia / office of the prophet, LOdelia is not the one who speak out His real words. Lodelia is speaking something which are irrelevent to the power of God. He may have to punish him if it is going on in the wrong way. But you people do not worry about what Lodelia speaks and their is no truth in the prophecies propagated by Lodelia.
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Lodelia is frustrated,

Lodelia wants to marry a white man but she's not their type. She's really doing the best she can.
She's trying to make something out of a bad situation.

That's all folks.
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Satan in the name of Lodelia/Prophet sent/ Office of the Prophet is sending very wrong messages in this forum in the name of Jesus. Beware of the Great Satan Lodelia
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hey lu old girl i though you were gone for all your posts ave been removed i am still waitning for my answer to the questions i asked and dont answer like you did about the race of JESUS you did not answer the question but went around another way saying GOD did not reconize race
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AARON...
YOU MAKE ME LAUGH.

NOT PERMITTED THOUGH.

PROPHET HAS RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS...

" DON'T PLAY WITH THEM GIVE THEM MY WORD "


SSSOOOOOO....

http://anyquestionsask.proboards41.com

ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS YOUR HEART DESIRES IN THE NAME OF JESUS!


BY THE WAY...
GOOD JOB, ON STANDING AS A CHRISTIAN..IN CORRECTIONING...
PROFANITY!

THE HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE...
" POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH IN THE TONGUE "

THE HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE...
" OUT OF THE MOUTH PROCEDS GOOD AND EVIL "
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lodelia, i told you i would never try to have you put off the board. but will you please answer my question... what is my name where do i live what job do i hold... if you are areal prophet you will know
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Think of it like this,

FOLLOW THE MONEY! PEOPLE! WAKE UP! IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY! Don't let them get your money. Give to those who YOU yourself find to be of need. In alot of these religions, your money is used to make more money, to pay salaries, to buy real estate. WAKE UP! Do not let anyone make you feel guilty for not "giving" something to them. IT IS YOURS!

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arron

lodelia, ….what is my name where do i live what job do i hold. if you are areal prophet you will know

Arron

Where does it say in the Christian bible that prophets are supposed to be psychic?
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