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     Anonymous (4.225.109.8) |
I WANT TO KNOW IF THE PENTECOSTAL RELIGION IS CONSIDERED A CULT. IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW PRACTICES THIS TYPE OF RELIGION, AND HAVE ANY INFORMATION IF IT IS "CULT-LIKE" PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ATTEND/PRACTICE THIS RELIGION, AND HAVE COMPLETE "MIND-CONTROL" OVER EVERYONE IN THEIR FAMILY. THEY LOOK DOWN, AND ABANDON OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS,WHO ARE NOT A PART OF THE "PRACTICING" CHURCH... PLEASE LET ME KNOW ABOUT THIS RELIGION THANKYOU | ||
| Anonymous (209.240.205.61) |
of course it very well might be! If a person dramatically changes...and with those changes cuts their loved ones loose...and becomes strange in their daily speech, like, they repeat their affiliations (teachers, leaders) phrases and terms...chances are...the one you notice may be in the grips of a life-controlling group. The religion or teaching itself might not be either good or evil (but usually, in extreme fundemental groups, can be pretty ugly at times) ...it's what the people running it use it for ...and also what the people targeted with the rhetoric might need from it ...that is ultimately what is good or evil. ...but in the mind of a religiously controlled individual, what is not best one minute can become evil in a second due to new teaching tactics, demonizing everything and everyone...frightening them and turning folks against reasonable people, and disabling them (those easily influenced), in the future, to function in real life with their own head on their shoulders. After all..they are all just WORDS...until they get in the hands of people! And the intent of extreme groups is to get more then a rise from them...unfortunately. I think some of these groups look for vulnerable people...and if one is rocking on the brink...forget about it..it's like a payday! People ultimately do make their own choices, in the beginning, to either take away from a church some good influences and WALK with it or they mess up and stay with the extremists and run with things that become rather irrational at first, to eventually becoming delusional. Be calm and speak to those you love about the need to BELONG to something extreme...point out their behavioral changes...and hopefully, they haven't gotten lost in the emotional and communicative rhetoric these extreme groups encourage to anyone available who will listen...then eventually follow...even to the point of EARNING for them. Good luck. These groups 'love bomb' all new members so the competition is intense (but worth it) to get them to use common sense! | ||
| Anonymous (65.13.189.216) |
The UPC churches in my area would qualify as cults. THe people, especially the women, are controlled to the inth degree. Most parishiners will make no decisions without getting pastors approval. On the up side, they are a very passionate people and they do love God and are not ashamed of their faith. Their goverment just needs reworking so that everyone gets to have a say and not just the pastor. | ||
| Anonymous (70.16.54.128) |
I was involved with a Pentecostal church in El Paso, Texas in the 1980's, which went by the name 'The Door' or 'La Puerta'. Geraldo Rivera actually did a broadcast in which he presented this church as a cult. In retrospect, I think that, yes, it was very definitely a cult. Of course the members thought the allegation was preposterous. I have happened upon other similar churches i.e. 'Power House' on Apple Street in Syracuse, NY, and another one Solid Rock, is now on James Street, but was previously on West Fayette Street in Syracuse. The latter is a large congregation, the former rather small. I think they are all really pretty funky. Thank God I've been delivered! :~) | ||
| Anonymous (24.70.178.211) |
Please help me get my daughter back she is involved in a very distructive pentacostal cult and I dont know what to do to help her. | ||
| lynnbrister (lynnbrister) New member Username: lynnbrister Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 209.215.61.143 |
I'm not sure if you still check this message board but let me try to answer your question. I am a member of the Pentecostal faith. However, I am what is considered a back-slidder. Recently I have come back to the church and am trying to get right with god. To my knowledge No the Pentecostal faith is not a Cult nor is it a Sect. It's a religion and as such is like any other. Sure you have some churches that do seem to go to far but that is every religion. Take a moment to look at other religions and look for the one or two little groups in each that seem clannish and distrustful. There is one in every religion. So please don't think that it is a cult based on what you see out of this church group. Not all Pentecostals are like that. I'm not. | ||
| path_walker (path_walker) Junior Member Username: path_walker Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.228.46.192 |
I agree lynnbrister, but again on this website all churches are cults! | ||
| chephzibah (chephzibah) New member Username: chephzibah Post Number: 11 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 68.223.109.114 |
go to www.houseofyisrael.org | ||
| godslight (godslight) New member Username: godslight Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 152.163.101.12 |
its not a cult what we believe is purly the bible and we act upon what the bible says it is not a cult | ||
| justducky (justducky) New member Username: justducky Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 63.229.1.228 |
I was born and raised in a Pentecostal church organization that was a cult. Some of the reasons I call it a cult are: a) The preachers preached that this organization had the "whole truth" while all other churches lacked the "whole truth" and were a "lesser Gospel." b) They enforced extra-biblical rules for members, and if we did not follow them, we could not be active members. c) The leaders were god-like in their own minds. They were so protected that when they spoke obvious falacies in the pulpit and were corrected in private, the congregation never heard the corrections, leaving some thinking that the falacies were true. d) Two pastors abused me (one married pastor by catching me, when I was 17, in a dark hall and kissing me and one by deliberately touching my breasts when I was a grown widowed woman), but they were so protected that I dared not tell until after I left, because I knew what would happen: I would be called a liar while the preachers were coddled. Another pastor asked me an inappropriate question about how I managed sexually as a suddenly-single woman. e) Both leaders and members warned me that if I ever left, I would go to hell taking my children with me, I would become sick, I would suffer financial loss, and would end up divorced. I was scared to leave, as are many members who continue there while wanting to go. For the last 13+ years there, I wanted out desparately but did not have the nerve to leave. I was finally kicked out when I told the pastor I would not take my wedding band off anymore when I entered his church. (Oh! Let me add that he also didn't like my watch, which was on a chain because of my alergy to metals that broke my wrists out.) He did me a HUGE favor. Now, my husband and children are all also out. I recently returned for a family funeral, and I mentioned to my daughter-in-law that the ladies there kept giving me dirty looks, so I did not stay for the dinner they provided after the funeral. She started laughing, and I was puzzled. She said, "That's the way they always look! They weren't giving you dirty looks -- they always look like that!" Oddly, I had forgotten. They seem very unhappy -- angry, really! (Message edited by JustDucky on August 14, 2005) | ||
| mskelly (mskelly) New member Username: mskelly Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.203 |
Just Ducky, I feel that I must point out that the Pentecostal Church you experienced is far from the one I experienced! I think that the leaders in your church are truly lost. Leaders all have an obligation to stay in the word, and to discipline their lives, minds, and WORDs to the best of their ability, to reflect the Lord. But Leaders are people too and what better kind of person for the devil sink his claws into. I feel that cults can be anywhere. They can be part of a large group or a group within a group. It is a horrible thing when a lost group of people can give a whole practice of faith such a bad name! The Pentecostal Church that I attended was called Cross Roads in Huntington Beach, Ca. and it was a beautiful church filled with beautiful people. They often spoke of other religions and never spoke in a negative light. They never insinuated that a certain religion is better than another. It’s all in where you feel comfortable to worship the Lord. I think it's all about finding a good church and being careful not to judge the religion by the acts of a single church. Remember that the church is led by people just like us, they are not higher or more worthy, the only difference is that they have made a promise/commitment to dedicate their time/lives in training for God. That is their job, just like we have our jobs. We can only pray for our leadership for strength, but when you are dealing with a corrupt leadership such as the one you have described, then get as far away from that church as you can. | ||
| overseas (overseas) Intermediate Member Username: overseas Post Number: 411 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 164.143.244.33 |
First question is if one takes Bible seriously. If not, all religious organisations are cults to that one. Second, if one adheres to Bible, he/she will look for fellowship with like people. Any such fellowship that does not allow you to make your own decisions and research on Bible is a cult. Good churches are just environments allowing for personal study of Bible and individual responsibility to God. A good church will give you freedom to do wrong (not encouraging that), because what matters at end of day is your personal conviction and not alignment to some church norms. | ||
| mskelly (mskelly) New member Username: mskelly Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 4.33.203.194 |
I agree, The Bible is where the truth lies. I feel that you have left just one thing out that is very important. It should be a church that teaches from the bible, in its ENTIRETY. | ||
| karenjames (karenjames) New member Username: karenjames Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.37.248.66 |
To my knowledge No the Pentecostal faith is not a Cult nor is it a Sect. It's a religion. I was raised Pentecostal, but I believe that the church I was a part of Gospel Assembly Church in Ms is a cult. Anytime church members allows one man to control them as this church does and evens believes that they can not get forgiveness unless going thru him first, than something is wrong. When the leader of the church refuses to minister at one location (greenville) and stays in his home town(iuka) because the G'ville church is not "Worthy" than something is really wrong. If I recall, Jesus ministered to all and the people that God used so mighty in the bible were not always saints and perfect even during the time God was using them. What the world needs to realize is that no matter what "religion" you are in, are you really serving the Lord with all your heat, body and soul and loving your neighbors as yourself. After all this is what Jesus said we are to do. Who God Uses God, grant me the Serenity to accept the people I cannot change ... the Courage to change the one I can . and the Wisdom to know that that one is me. The next time you feel like God can't use you, just remember... Noah was a drunk Abraham was too old Isaac was a day dreamer Jacob was a liar Leah was ugly Joseph was abused Moses had a stuttering problem Gideon was afraid Samson had long hair and was a womanizer Rahab was a prostitute Jeremiah and Timothy were too young David had an affair and was a murderer Elijah was suicidal Isaiah preached naked Jonah ran from God Naomi was a widow Job went bankrupt John the Baptist ate bugs Peter denied Christ The Disciples fell asleep while praying Martha worried about everything The Samaritan woman was divorced, more than once Zaccheus was too small Paul was too religious Timothy had an ulcer...AND Lazarus was dead! No more excuses now. God can use you to your full potential. After all, you aren't the message; you're just the messenger. 1. God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts. 2. Dear God, I have a problem; it's me. 3. Growing old is inevitable; growing UP is optional. 4. There is no key to happiness. The door is always open.. 5. Silence is often misinterpreted but never misquoted. 6. Do the math. count your blessings. 7. Faith is the ability to not panic. 8. Laugh every day, it's like inner jogging. 9. If you worry, you didn't pray. If you pray, don't worry. 10. As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home everyday. 11. Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be bent out of shape. 12. The most important things in your house are the people. 13. When we get tangled up in our problems, be still. God wants us to be still so He can untangle the knot. 14. A grudge is a heavy thing to carry. 15. He who dies with the most toys is still dead. Share this with a friend or two. In the Circle of God's love, God's waiting to use your full potential. May God Always Bless You and Yours. | ||
| redjemima (redjemima) New member Username: redjemima Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.153.240.6 |
karen, thanks for your post. It convicted me a bit, and i loved it very much. I have posted on the potters house section concerning a bit about my experience in a pentecostal church. I have read a little about how mind control works and how it can slowly work on people, and looking back, i do think that these things were present in my old church. I like point No. 2 best! | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) New member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
please read the bible peter denied JESUS before he was filled with THE HOLY GHOST read about peter after the day of pentecost.He stood boldly for JESUS CHRIST. THERE is a book of ACTS after the 4 GOSPELS. | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) New member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
I BELEIVE DURING THE TIME WHEN JESUS CAME ON THE SEEN THERE WAS THE JUDAISIM RELIGION. PHARISEES, SCRIBES ETC. ETC. ETC. AND THEY CALLED JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FOLLOWERS A CULT but actually JESUS CHRIST was and is what the whole bible is about he is THE WORD, GOD MANIFESTED ETC. ETC. ETC. | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) New member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
overseas (overseas), I'M A APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL PREACHER AND I BELEIVE MY JOB IS TO PREACH A TEACH THE WORD OF TRUTH IN LOVE. BUT I DO NOT BELEIVE I AM TO CONTROL PEOPLE,THEY SHOULD DO THERE OWN BIBLE STUDY, THEY HAVE A CHOICE TO DO RIGHT OR WRONG. EVERY ONE DOES BUT THE BLESSING OF ME HAVING THE HOLY GHOST,IS HE HELPS ME. PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND BEFORE GOD FOR THEMSELVES. TRULY I DO NOT WANT TO SEE PEOPLE GOING TO HELL SO I WHOLE HEARTILY SEEK GOD FOR THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD TO GIVE PEOPLE. FOR JESUS SAID WE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE. THEN WE SAY WHERE IS THE TRUTH JESUS CHRIST SAYS I AM THE WAY,TRUTH AND LIFE. HIS LIFE,TEACHINGS, NAME, DEITY ETC. ETC. ETC. | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) New member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
IN OUR CHURCH MY PASTOR ,LEAVE THE CHANGING OF PEOPLE TO THE HOLY GHOST,HE GIVES SPIRITUAL ADVICE YOU TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT AND HE STILL LOVES YOU. WE ARE AN APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL CHURCH WE FELLOWSHIP WITH BAPTIST,METHODIST,COGIC,ETC. IF THEY BELEIVE JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. WE DON'T PREACH AGAINST MAKE-UP AND JEWELRY. WE BELIEVE HOLINESS HAS TO DO WITH YOUR HEART,LIFESTYLE AND ATTITUDE. YOU CAN SCRUB YOUR FACE WITH A BRILOW PAD, WEAR LONG DRESSES WOMEN HAVE LONG HAIR,MEN HAVE SHORT HAIR AND STILL ACT LIKE A DEVIL. WE BELEIVE HOLINESS IS GALATIANS 5:22-23 (Message edited by ANOYNOMOUS on November 02, 2005) | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) New member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 22 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
IS MY PASTOR PERFECT? NO I KNOW HE'S NOT, ONLY JESUS CHRIST IS . BUT HE'S A MAN OF FAITH IN GOD. I SEE HIS LIFESTYLE. HE'S MARRIED TO THE SAME WIFE FOR OVER 25 YRS. HAVE EIGHT CHILDREN THEY ARE BLESSED , OLDEST CHILD ABOUT TO GET A DEGREE FROM ORAL ROBERTS UNIVERSITY , SECOND OLDEST HAVE A BA IN FIANANCES ALL THE CHILDREN DOIN WELL IN SCHOOL AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR.HE'S A MAN OF GRACE AND MERCY AND DON'T TRY TO CONTROL PEOPLE LIVES HE PREACHES AND TEACHES THE WORD ,PRAYS FOR YOU GIVES ADVICE THEN ITS ON YOU AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THROUHGH THE HOLY GHOST. EXAMPLE: I GO TO WORK A PERSON GIVES ME ADVICE ON A CITUATION ABOUT MY CHILDREN, THIS PERSON DON'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST ALL OF HIS CHILDREN ON DRUGS DROPPED OUT OF SHCOOL. THE LORD HAS PUT A PASTOR IN MY LIFE ,WHOSE ADVISE WOULD YOU TAKE ? WE ARE AN APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL CHURCH. I SAID THIS TO LET YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T PUT ALL PENTECOSTALS IN THE SAME CATEGORY. (Message edited by ANOYNOMOUS on November 02, 2005) | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) Junior Member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
OH YEA WE BELIEVE IN REPENTANCE , WATER BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND BEING FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST EVIDENT BY SPEAKING IN TONGUES. THIS IS BEING BORN AGAIN OF THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT. WILL I SAY YOU ARE GOING HELL IF YOU DON'T DO THIS ,I DON'T KNOW. MY QUESTION IS WILL A PERSON GO TO HELL FOR NOT DOING WHAT THE WORD SAYS DO. FAITH IS OBEYING ALSO . SO YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION I JUST TELL YOU WHATS IN THE WORD. | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 238 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.113.238 |
you will not go to hell for not speaking in tongues-you may however end up in hell every week if you go to a pentecostal church believe me I spent my share of time in those churches-who needs acid-when you have a trip like the pentecostals give | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) Junior Member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
MAYBE THE SO CALLED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH YOU WERE IN PLEASE READ THE PREVIOUS POSTINGS I WROTE ABOVE THIS ONE | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Advanced Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 549 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
I went to college with a super square church guy, he even said okely-dokely like Flanders. He said he used to speak in tongues until he realized it was a bunch of crap. He might not believe, but brother Bob does. Click hear to listen: http://216.131.88.117/tilton/ | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 240 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.113.238 |
oh stop it you fool  | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) Junior Member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
I WOULD BE CARFUL ABOUT CALLING THE WORK OF THE HOLY GHOST CRAP . YOU KNOW BLASEPHEMY OF THE HOLY GHOST WAS WHEN THEY TOLD JESUS THAT WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS BY THE DEVIL .TO SAY THE WORKS OF THE HOLY GHOST IS THE DEVIL IS BLASPHEMY.SO TO SAY ITS CRAP IS VERY CLOSE BE CAREFUL FOR YOUR SOUL SAKE. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT DON'T SAY NOTHING THIS IS IN LOVE GOD BLESS YOU. | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 242 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.113.238 |
thanks for the info - but your not scaring us. | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) Junior Member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM. JOB SAYS: THE FEAR OF THE LORD THAT IS WISDOM AND TO DEPART FROM INIQUITY IS UNDERSTANDING | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 243 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.113.238 |
the Bible says fear is a sin anoynomous-don't quote the Bible to me -I can dance circles around you-you need to chill out drink a little bit of that communion juice and call me in the morning- | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) Junior Member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
this fear means reverance and respect. since you are so knowledgable of the bible read all my postings and give a response you will see it is anoynomous not anonymous (Message edited by ANOYNOMOUS on November 02, 2005) | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1041 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.42.219 |
Isn't it amazing? Just about every pentecostal on these numerous threads say they know of pentecostal churches that are wrong, and yet all of them exclude the pentecostal church they belong to. What does this say about pentecostal churches? Do they want unity or separation? Can they all be right? And finally, would you recommend the pentecostal church to a friend or loved one after reading these posts? (using the pentecostals and ex-pentecostals testimonies). | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1042 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.42.219 |
I think there will be pentecostals who will say 'this happens in all denominations'. We are speaking of the pentecostal church.. Forget about the other ones for now, because if this is your excuse, then I say two wrongs don't make a right. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 608 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
prise GOD FOR THE TRINITY, GOD THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. thank GOD for the baptisum of THE HOLY GHOST with the evidence of tongues. PRIASE THE LORD FOR EVER AMEN | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 609 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
i meant PRAISE not prise | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 430 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
This is the thing not all pencostal go by the apostle creed or basic christian beliefs. Those I that don't I would consider cultic in nature. But besides the belief issue. Some that claim to be pentecostal do mind control techniques in their church, also are part of health and wealth movement. But not all pentecostal are apart of the health and wealth movement. Some are like classic main stream baptist, methodist, presybterian and so forth. And I have explained this more then once. When someone infiltrates a church for profit and fianncial gain or to control people like david koresh or jim jones they are cultic. When the try and control their members where abouts and what they do and who they talk to that is cultic. And because of the none strictive nature of their licensing and ordination it is easy for an imposter to come in. But it is possible to happen in all churches. So if there is a real move of God be sure there is a counterfeit to carry weak members of Christ as well as a church away. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1045 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.12 |
turtle, Have you received a license and who ordained you? You asked me where I got my authority. I have never claimed to be a preacher. You have. You didn't answer the question back to you then. Can you now? Or do you believe it is possible for some to need a license and ordination, and others not? | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 627 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
turtle what does a licenses mean? nothing more than that you are ordained or given permission to preach. i knw od preachers who are not ordained but they preach and do well. if a man of GOD lays hands on you and anoints you with oil in the NAME OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST , you are ordained. dont worry about a peice of paper. just keep preaching the wowrd. and counting yourself a preacher | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1050 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.42.38 |
arron, It was turtle who first asked me where I got my authority. You have only confirmed my point. Why do you think she hasn't answered the question when it was put back to her more than once? Either she would have to lie and say she was licensed and ordained, or she would have to say it isn't necessary, when it was she who has twice made the statements that SHE believes it is necessary. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1051 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.42.38 |
There would be no shame in someone admitting they spoke hastily. 1 Peter 3:13-17 And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of good? But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you are blessed. And do not be afraid of their threats, or be troubled. But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 438 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Godchild, If you look under the thread under doctrine/belief/proofs, and go to the thread on woman preachers I answer your question. I decided to not post it twice. Sorry for your inconvience to this question. Arron, Don't worry I do not let what certain posters say bother me whether I was called or not. I know God called me to speak and preach His word. Just keep praying and I will do the same. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1052 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.46.13 |
The only way anyone here knows whether or not you were called or not, is by what you say. You need to apologise for asking by what authority I spoke, intimating that I have none. Unless you do not hold yourself to the same requirements you do others. Does what you said above include you? Quote: And because of their none restrictive (non-restrictive?) nature of their licensing and ordination, it is easy for an imposter to come in. So if there is a real move of God be sure there is a counterfeit to carry weak members of Christ as well as a church away. You, by what you said on the women preachers thread, have no license and have not been ordained. You said it is by God, it was on your minister's heart, and there was no man who wanted to. So you are a self-appointed preacher. That is fine as long as you don't question the authority of others. Do you understand? | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 442 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Godchild you do not grasp a thing. I am going to be ordained by my church and I am also going to get a license. Devil loves to twist words it is you that needs to apologize. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1054 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.232 |
turtle, you are a hypocrit. Plain and simple. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1056 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.47.130 |
Christianity's emphasis should be put where God puts it. Out of more than 50 examples in the Bible where God filled His people with the Spirit, only three times is tongues connected with the experience. Of the 27 books in the New Testament, only three make any reference to tongues at all. There are about 39 Bible authors. Of the 39, only three--Luke, Paul, and Mark, even mention tongues. Every time the word tongue(s) is mentioned in the Bible, it is describing language. The dictionary definition for a language is the use by human beings of voice sounds, and often written symbols representing these sounds, in organized combinations and patterns in order to express and communicate thoughts and feelings. Tongue-speakers call what they experience 'glossolalia'. The dictionary defines this as: fabricated and non-meaningful speech, especially such speech associated with a trance state or certain schizophrenic syndromes. Many tongue-speakers say there is a second gift; a heavenly prayer language. They interpret this to mean that when Paul prayed in the Spirit, he used this 'heavenly tongue' and did not himself know what he was praying. How could he ever know if his prayer was answered? Some say Paul said he spoke with the tongues of angels. No. Paul said, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels..." If you read this verse in its context, you will see that the word "though" means "even if". For example, Paul said in verse 3 "though I give my body to be burned..." Paul was beheaded, not burned. It is clear Paul used the word "though" to mean "even if". On mount Carmel, the pagan prophets of Baal jumped on the altar and shouted and moaned. They prophesied and cut themselves. In contrast, Elijah quietly knelt and prayed a simple prayer. Is it important to understand the gift of 'speaking in tongues'? Revelation 18:2 and 4 state: "And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen." "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." We must remember that one of the principle characteristics of ancient Babylon at the tower of Babel was a confusion of tongues (Gen. 11:7-9). Revelation 16:13. "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet." The phrase "out of the mouth" represents speech. And a frog's main weapon is its tongue. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 645 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
tyrtle dont be discouraged.. thank GOD you are going to be ordained, i am so glad for you, i have been told by one on another post that they would like to kick... well kick me that all right i dont worry about them | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 445 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Aaron if I knew what i had to do to be ordained by a church twenty years ago I would have already had my license, but my parents wanted me to do certain things and those things were not in God's plan for me. So I have been down a long road to get to this point. And I really like the church I am in right now. They seem to have alot of love for everyone. But you know arron people of the world can't understand that kind of love but christians do understand that type of love unconditional. I have had a calling on my life since I was eight but did not make a commitment tell I was sixteen, and then I spent time running from God. Alot of people knew in time I would become a minister or even a preacher. Even my grandfather and ordain and license minister i believe always felt I go into the mission field. But I think my mission field is where ever I live working inside and outside a church. Maybe one day I will pastor full time and maybe I won't. I do not know about that. But my bible study group already consider me their pastor. I wish you could of been their tonight at bible study. God word is speaking so loudly to their hearts. The lessons have all come together so nicely they seem to just be building on each other. I can see growth in my group by the way the answer questions. After a good bible study like that I could not be shaken by anything anyone says. I know what I must do keep my faith in Jesus and lean on God's word for answers. arron take time and read psalms 37 i think you will like it. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 651 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
praise THE LORD sister keep up the good work of THE LORD | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 656 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
hey turtle you and i are famous... according to not | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 702 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
please not just stop condemning me to hell because i believe in pentecostal faith. i am saved and you can disagree with me or others but you should not say we are demon possed just because we are of the pentecostal faith | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 901 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
not i saw where you have posted again. i have written to you son and found him to be quite pleasant. i pray you also have changed. god bless you we will be praying for you. keep us in mind too | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 969 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
no never | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 996 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
i am not judgeing you. your works will prove you | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1067 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
why do a lot of cults have some fake gifts. it seems they try to copy the gifts of the SPIRIT. is it because that satan uses a copy of all the gifts so he can decieve the nations? | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) New member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
This happens at times when , people may speak in tongues because they have memorized it and they just do it to impress everyone. If the Holy Spirit is really in action, it will give the power to discern between right and wrong. Many times, people who claim to be manifesting the gifts of Holy Spirit go into a Psychological state known as Emotional Katharcism. When False Anointing comes upon people, they fall backwards. When true anointing comes upon people, they fall forward in humble prostration before God. True anointing never comes upon anyone in those Mass Healing campaigns on TV. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 138.163.0.42 |
no one can make up a language OK “When False Anointing comes upon people, they fall backwards. When true anointing comes upon people, they fall forward in humble prostration before God. True anointing never comes upon anyone in those Mass Healing campaigns on TV.” !Q? does God save ? does God heal? And does God do what he said he would do in His word? Is he coming back again? If you are a Christian it should be yes to all of that. Calling something false because it will not appeal to your own intellect does not make it false LOL. Just because you don’t believe Jesus is God doesn’t make it so Mr. inkorrekt (inkorrekt) | ||
| hbjgrace (hbjgrace) New member Username: hbjgrace Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.73.64.137 |
I have fallen backward a fresh breeze hit me and gently lowered me to the Ground. I have also felt the holy spirit move there was a big breeze and no fans were going and it was hot all the windows were closed. Just because you haven't experienced something in the lord does not mean it is not true. I mean Elijh was the first person to ask God to bring someone back to life. It had never been done before, but God did it. | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
I Don't think the pentacostal religion is a cult - they are just misguided in their zeal. Godliness take patience to develop and from my experience Pentacostals are zealous and want spirituality "Right NOW" this instant. It does not happen this way however. I was in the denomination for 18 years. They are somewhat hyper-spiritual. By this I mean that they go for some unusual things and call them spiritual and the nature of these, sometimes weird, things is that they can't be proven unspiritual. However many times these things can be proven unscriptural. The result of this is really frightening from a biblical standpoint. I have personally known many people who think that to be "Led" by the spirit basically takes precedance over the Biblical doctrine. This of course opens the door wide open for any misguided thing a person can think of and they can put a label of "spiritual" on it. If not tempered - this thinking can open the door for demonic influences. All the while the person justifies this because it was something they received in the Spirit, so they are spiritual people. As the Bible says "The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God". This means that anything a person hears or perceives in the spirit is from God. It is a natural departure from the denominations that discount totally the concept of hearing from God. It is at the same time a way for many people to becoem convinced that everything spiritual is from God. They are mostly very sincere people who are looking for a way to express their great desire to be very spiritual through a momentary action. There are many ways in the pentacostal church to be thought of as spiritual by others. It is easier to do something to be considered spiritual than it is to be - kind and patient and display the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately when a person is genuinly zealous and willing to do anything to be pleasing to God it is a let down to realize that God is Love and a person cannot become loving overnight. It is much nicer to speak in what they call tongues and say - yes - now I have the Holy Spirit and will never be like the rest of those sinners again. This is my spiritual merit badge -- see! Some are quite prideful in their own spiritual conception of themselves. As the Bible says "pride of course leads to a fall - and some have fallen into problems. As in every denomination - if they stick to the Bible they can't go wrong. However this is very hard to do in the pentacostal church. There is an overwhelming pressure to conform to what everybody else thinks. Brian | ||
| sarah New member Username: sarah Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 66.137.171.197 |
I am in this type of religion.I just started going back.I dont think their a cult.I do however disagree on some things but I wont tell them that because theyll get upset.They have a tendency to tell people they are going to hell.I dont agree with that.Only God can speak as to whom is going to hell.I heard a preacher once say that we are going to hell if we watch t.v.I dont believe that God would look at me and say your going to hell because you watched this.What if it was the news?Or the animal planet channel? Or a christian show about Jesus? I think they are sincere in their efforts because they want people to recognize their wrong doing and see what sin really is.Which on t.v. they are talking about people fornicating,and adultery,and violence.This is not acceptable when you are trying to serve God.I dont believe all t.v is bad though.I dont understand when they say you should speak in tongues every day.We are led by the Holy spirit.We dont lead it.It will lead us to worship in the way it wants.Not in the way we want.Im sort of confused myself on their beliefs but I dont think their a cult. | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
Hi Sarah --- If you are confused on their belief. Please ask me about this, before I left the denomination I was involved in pentacostalism for most of my Adult life. I can at least tell you what I think. Below is a link to my answer to some of their doctrines - especially tongues -- the Tongues article is on the first page but you have to scroll down about 3/4 of the way down to the subtitle "tongues". Take Care -Brian http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/brmicke | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3182 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.169 |
Sarah, I think of sin in this way. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propriation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness................ It is through our faith (believing and trusting) in Jesus Christ (He paid for us which is acceptable to God) we are saved, because we are sinful (imperfect, as only God is perfect). Every one of us sin. (1 John 1:8-10) If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (The next verse is a repeat of the first, giving it great importance) If we say we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us. I think your minister should be clarifying that anything in excess can be harmful to us. Too much t.v., too much food, too much money-making, too much spending, bad habits, etc. We all make mistakes, sometimes intentionally and sometimes not. The Bible also tells us not to live in bondage again to the law (Old Testament Law). We are to do our best to obey it, and ask for forgiveness when we fail, but we have hope in the Lord; we are His and He says "I will never leave you nor forsake you." We might try to pull away from Him, but He is always there. I'm afraid what your minister is preaching is legalism, as the Pharisees did, by putting their own spin, or adding to, the requirements of the law. We should do our best to set an example for unbelievers and to please God, but legalism leads to self-righteousness. There is no big or little sin. Sin is sin. The only unforgivable sin is grieving the Holy Spirit, denying Jesus Christ. I'd like to suggest something that seems very hard for people. It shouldn't because a pastor or minister's job is to serve. Go to him and tell him how you feel. You might be able to help him be a better servant for the Lord. No man is above another. We are equal in the sight of God. | ||
| jayhernandez Intermediate Member Username: jayhernandez Post Number: 151 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.21.76.34 |
brmicke and Godchild, God child I responded to your post. Brmicke maybe you can check it out- it was in regards to the study you provided regarding tounges in the other thread about tounges. You'll be able to respond as you see his questions, as well. God Speed! Jay the peacemaker | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2078 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
sarah you know when you see something on t.v. weather you should be watching it or not. you are a christian and have the abiltity to decern these things. sometime preacher get in a big way and want every one to be "like " them. but we have to do what CHRIST want each one of us to do. sometimes we sin by just letting others have their way and not doing like GOD has told us to do. for intance THE LORD told me once not to wear short sleved shirts in church, this was not to any one else but to me, HE saisd there was someone watching me,who would be offended or would have something to say if i did. so i quit wearing short sleves to church. again this was just to me not everybody else. i wear short sleves at home but not to church. see we need to just do what GOD wants and dont worry about others. i did and do this and just dont say anything to any body about it | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
Hi - Jay and Godchild – It takes me a while to respond because I dont get the internet at home - but I use the library then I take the message home and write a response then come back to the library to post the response. Sorry this is so long but I had a lot to say. I have to split this into several posts because it is so long. Your first question – The bible tells us who will not understand “tongues”. Either these people called “others” in Acts 2:13 were either ungifted men or unbelievers. -- New American Standard 1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church should assemble together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? My opinion is that they understood the language but not the concepts or mysteries of God. | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
Your second question - In 1 Corinthians 14:11 Paul is speaking to your question. About how Tongues are a sign for unbelievers even though the understood the language. Putting himself in the position of a person who does not understand another person speaking in Tongues. He tells us that if He does not understand the particular mystery or wonder of God being spoken about then he would consider Himself a barbarian or foreigner to the person speaking. It appears from your question that you understood this concept I was trying to convey – if you put yourself in the position of someone who understood the language of a message but not the meaning you will see what this sign was meant to tell a person. Simply that they were separated from the speaker or a foreigner to Him, as Paul said. Then of course they had to decide what to do with this knowledge – rebel further or humble themselves before God. -- New American Standard 1 Corinthians 14:11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. Put yourself in this position as Paul did and you will see what a person in that position would think. I am sure there are many mysteries of God that I (Brian) do not understand so I would be a foreigner to someone speaking about them. As far as I am concerned this would make me an ungifted person (1 Corinthians 14:23) in this area and I would have to ask God to give me this understanding (Scripturally verifiable understanding of course). As far as the drunken priests in Isaiah 28, God spoke to them (through Isaiah) through a message in Tongues to cause them to backslide, Isaiah 28:13. -- New American Standard Isaiah 28:13 So the word of the Lord to them will be, "Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there," That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared, and taken captive. | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
As far as your third question – I think you are right and scriptural in all of your thoughts – Some people probably didn’t want Gentiles in their believers club as Peter alluded to in Acts 2:17 and also Joel 2:28 alluded to. Some were probably there for reasons other than their faith - they were probably unbelievers just as some churchgoers are insincere in modern times. Some of them were probably weak in their faith which biblically speaking would fall under the heading of ungifted. However it is clear that all of those who did not understand fell into one of the categories of people that the Bible says will not understand a message in “Tongues’ Either they were ungifted or unbelievers, 1 Corinthians 14:23. In either case they would have been foreigners (1 Corinthians 14:11) (or in the language of the times “barbarians”) to the speakers. So I hope in my ramblings that I have answered some of your thoughts. As you read these things please keep in mind that this my attempt to put the Bible together (like a puzzle). I pray that I am correct --- but---- I could always be wrong. So if you find anything unscriptural about my articles – I hope you will know that I am trying to understand God’s book, and please let me know. I would like to speak briefly to you both please. As I have mentioned in the response to these questions, there are two groups of people who will not understand this. Those who are “Ungifted” and those who are “Unbelievers”. I have been promoting this doctrine for 8 or 9 years. In that time it has been my experience that most believers do not understand these teachings because God has not given them the Gift of understanding, as He seems to have given you. This means that God has shown this to you, Matthew 16:17. The vast majority of people that are exposed to these things do not understand them. When exposed to these truths most people will feel their “Biblical world view threatened” and will become immediately defensive. Even if you take them through this teaching and show them the actual verses – if God has not revealed it to them they will not understand it but they will turn on you and try and hurt your feelings. They will try to hurt the feelings of those telling them these things - and Christians can be very mean-spirited at times. This is called being persecuted for the righteousness, Mark 4:17, Matthew 5:10 and John 15:20. Please remember you should not hurt those for whom Christ died – even if they deliberately try and hurt you, Matthew 25:40. If you do hurt them you will be hurting one of Jesus people and actually hurting Jesus himself. If God chooses not to reveal this to a person if may be for their own good, John 16:12. So get ready for this if you plan on telling other people about these teachings. -- New American Standard Mark 4:17 and they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately they fall away. Please be ready for this persecution – do not expect to be accepted by all Christians or you may be very discouraged because nobody agrees with what you see in the Bible. When God first showed me these things about Tongues I was quite naïve and expected everyone to understand and accept this simply because I could explain it to them from the Bible. -- New American Standard Matthew 25:40 "And the King will answer and say to them, `Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' -- New American Standard John 16:12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. I hope I have answered the questions you had. Take Care - Brian | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3193 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.53.161 |
Brian, Thank you for your responses. I need to go back to the Word just so I can firmly embed these in my mind. As a grandma, my memories of my childhood are more clear than those things I read yesterday. I enjoy this discussion. I am certainly guilty of the things you speak of, losing my patience with some. It is moreso those who have included pagan doctrines into what they call a 'truth' about God's Word and claim this is God's desire and will for us. This I abhor and will admit it. It is up to me to respond to their insults with compassion, as you say. God is teaching me valuable lessons, and I thank Him for it, because it affects my personal life also. I think I will take further posts on these subjects back to the other thread for those who might become confused. I look forward to further communication. | ||
| jayhernandez Intermediate Member Username: jayhernandez Post Number: 162 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.21.76.34 |
Brmicke and godchild, I just want to thank you both for your response. Especially godchilds response. I too am guitly of this and will be more concerns sense I'm more aware. In fact I became more aware of this when I understood but after seeing godchild say this here let me also do the same incase there is anyone here I have been short with. Brmicke, I have printed this study and have given it to both my pastors for study. I have recieved one back with a few comments and corrections and concern. Some to expand the thought and another for grammer and some for consistance. I'll get them to you without changes when I get the chance. In time I can see you putting this on print and having someone from the CRI (Christian Research institute) endorse the first paperback copy. He like the study but I'll go into the rest by email. God is Good! Jay the peacemaker | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
Hi Jay and Godchild -- Please know that the only reason I could write the things I did about being kind to others is because I learned it the hard way. So it is a case of my learning that hurting God's people who intentionally hurt you is not something God likes. Thanks Jay for the thing about red fridays. I have already had a small booklet printed The main page with the -To the point article - is what is printed in Booklet form. I cannot sell any of them However - I tried to market them for a couple of years but quit because there no one was interested and it is a little damaging to a persons ego to get rejected over and over again. -- but certainly you can have some --. I have several hundred copied in my house. I know that mailing addresses are really off limits on the internet but I could of course sent a bunch to a church -- If you would like --- I also have several hundred smaller booklets. Each of the three individual studies in the -To the Point Series - is also printed up in a seperate smaller booklet. Brian | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3224 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.63.120 |
Brian, I didn't take what you said as an insult. It occurred to me many people at doctor's offices or places where people have to wait might be a good place to leave some of your booklets. Laundromats might also be. If you have a stamp on the back stating your info people may be encouraged to order them. | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
GodChild and Jay -- I didn't intend for my post about encouraging kindness to be critisism. I was thinking about the future and how people will respond to you if you talk about the things that I have written. It may have been taken as a critisism of something you had done or said in the past but it was not intended to be that. As far as putting the booklets in laundramats etc. If I sell any of them I have to get a business licence and go through all of the time and expense of the sales tax stuff. I did this for a year. It does not pay off for me becuse it is easier to give them away. I have found that the internet sites that allow a person to have a free web page are the easiest way to get the message out. I then do internet searches to find discussion groups to post in and make referance to the sites for people to follow up on if they are interested. That is how I got involved with this site. God is good! Take care - Brian | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1262 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 141.152.75.161 |
Brian, understand they did not see your imput as critism but God used it in their hearts. Wasnt' that your whole purpose. For people to take what the Bible says to heart and what you write. And if some that reads it that needs without you knowing it take it that way isnt' it a good thing. Just a little thought dont' be hard on yourself you can't help but do the work God has laid on your and that is no apology in that. Ministering from the internet is alot harder then it looks and sometimes you are even ministering to those you don't even know. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3244 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.62.211 |
I agree with turtle that it is very difficult to expect that people will understand what you are trying to put across on a written page. I am often surprised that people see anger in posts that are meant only for debate. I see a lot of value in your article and scriptural truth. I'd like to see you put it on this website: www.cultbusters.com.au. I think you would receive some positive input. Whatever you decide to do, may God be with you. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1265 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 141.152.75.161 |
Boy my typing needs to improve. | ||
| brmicke New member Username: brmicke Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.230.150.102 |
Thanks turtle -- Good point. Brian | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1268 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 141.152.75.161 |
Brian you are quite welcome, Keep sharing what you learn and know aobut God that is all He requires of us. | ||
| nolurkingonme New member Username: nolurkingonme Post Number: 19 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.85.147.243 |
thank you all for sharing so others may learn. i have many mixed feelings and opinions of the pentecostal faith, and probably always will. yet, reading your posts is helping. as many here are stating; i also feel that whether a church is a cult or not has a great deal to do with the attitudes of the people in the general area. if they are educated then the people who attend the church will obviously also be educated. i'd like to add that my mother is 89 y/o, and considers herself in life long recovery from the Pentecostal Faith, and the Baptist Church in the area she was raised. thankfully, my mother came away from her childhood extremely well educated. apparently, some fundamentalist areas believe in the fundamentals of education as well as their religious ideals. so, later mother could weed out the pain indoctrinated by the church, and keep her education. it appears to me now, that this had more to do with the time, and area she was raised than it might have with the church doctrine itself/but my personal jury is still out in forming that opinion due to local events. mother was raised during very difficult economic times, and the south felt the economic problems deeper than some other areas. she was living on the outskirts of the dust bowl, and really poverty was everywhere, and with everyone. there were only 2 church choices. the baptists didn't allow people to attend who didn't own shoes and the pentacosts did. so in a way i believe that says something about the pentacostal faith. the fact though it has many problems these were people willing to not judge others by their immediate incomes. i might be misreading it, but i believe that "as a church" that could be a sign of 'unconditional love'. or maybe the minister was stuck in the same financial boat and didn't have shoes either but still needed a job (who knows)? apparently the baptists weren't that willing to be unconditional when it came to the issues of whether people could afford shoes or not. so it appears to me that as a person weeds through information concerning a church all the 'objective' information regarding the geography of that church is at least 'as' important if not more important as any other determining factor. that's my current observation of this church, and i am happy to finally find a place where i can begin to really understand all the aspects of my mother's life. family first | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2571 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.43.94 |
i am pentecostal asi have stated many times before.. i have been "put down" for my stand on this lots of times but i am still holding on to what i believe. THE LORD showed me many years ago where HE wanted me to be and what HE wanted me to do and i have done it to the best of my ability. yes i speak in tongues, yes i interpert, yes i pray for the sick even when i my self am sick as i am now. i beleive all the gifts exsist today. sure some misuse them but they are still real and are for all who want them, yes i bellieve in the rapture. i beleive that JESUS will come and take us ( the christians ) home with HIM where we will ever be with THE LORD . i do not beleive that a false messiah will come to deceive the christian for we will be gone before the antichrist gets his power and is revealed. pray for me as i am faceing tests for surgery and need prayer. i knw JESUS can and will heal me | ||
| skeptik Intermediate Member Username: skeptik Post Number: 176 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.30.173.216 |
Looking for a way out? these guys seem as if they can help! http://p212.ezboard.com/bexpentecostalforums | ||
| sister_mary New member Username: sister_mary Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 83.102.71.212 |
See an opinion from Finland about Pentecostal cultism: http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fcgi?category=1000000000000003&conference=4500000000000336&posting=22000000026030244 | ||
| turtle Member Username: turtle Post Number: 55 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
The simple fact is no matter what church you go to it can be a cult.The problem begins when one eyes get off of Jesus and onto the minister or teacher. I choose to have my eyes on Jesus and my heart planted in the word. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.217.146.42 |
The quick answer to your question is "YES." The pentecostal movement was founded on the vision of a sexual pervert, not the Word of God. No one has ever been able to locate any of pentecostalism's false claims in scripture. And Yes Virginia, pentecostalism has been involved in mass suicide, mind control, and victimization of its adherents. Absolutely, by any standard, pentecostalism is a gross cult of the worst sort! | ||
| michael_kincheloe New member Username: michael_kincheloe Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 75.31.174.86 |
A former Teen Challenge student exposes this abusive Christian alcohol and drug program. Although seen by many as a worthwhile organization, Teen Challenge has a dark side, one of pathological abuse and an obsession with the almighty dollar. http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com | ||
| emeraldbreeze New member Username: emeraldbreeze Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 68.1.82.55 |
I used to belong to the UPCI. Is it a cult? Sort of... I still have family in the UPCI and their pastors preach against INTERNET and their organization has a large UPCI internet website. I am now attending a non-denominational wonderful church and I have had an experience with God that I never had the 36 years in the UPCI. I am filled to overflowing with God's love and faith. I read my bible everyday and pray hourly because I love God's work in my life! I am excited to be a Christian like never before! I tell people of God's love and power like I never did while in the UPCI. I just pray for everyone in the UPCI to grasp the wonders of His marvelous love and experience what I have! By the way, my father was an ordained minister of the UPCI and my brother-in-law was an ordained minister of the UPCI and they are no longer ministers with that organization and are free and free indeed!!! My dad is retired but is still preaching faith and love. My brother-in-law is an evangelist and signs and wonders and marvelous things are happening in his ministry. The UPCI needs our fervent prayers to reach a hurting world! | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
I attend a UPC church and it is nothing like what you just described. My husband has built our church web site...the Internet is not preached against, TV is not preached against...my Pastor says you have the Holy Ghost pray and ask God and find out for yourself.... I really wish people would not group everyone as a whole and bash and say we are in a cult. Now I will agree there are some churches that are "cult" like but show me one organization that does not have a few churches that could be considered a "cult". I know we have one here where I live and it is a non-denomination church. They must get permission to even talk to someone from the pastor....I am really sorry you had a bad experience with the UPCI but it has been nothing but wonderful for me. My pastor preaches AGAPE love....I will say if I ever attend a church that was anything cult like...I would leave and seek out another church...but it would have to teach oneness and holiness....I pray you continue to grow in God...and are blessed and used in a mighty way!!! Blessings, Acts | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.229.6.252 |
Hello M(r)(s). Acts 238: I would guess from your post you are looking for a new church. All UPCI is a cult. A cult is any religious group that holds an aberrant doctrinal statement. Here is the origins of faked infantile gibberish: http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/30639.html?1178406241 Here is an article disproving the lunacies of baptism = regeneration (your religion's plan of salvation): http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/29999.html?1175698634 I must admit that I have not dealt with 60 Questions on the Godhead yet, but it is coming. The actual track was written by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. The original name was "What you should know about the . . . "Trinity." That part of your religion's doctrinal statement is also garbage. So let me know when you find a new church. or Did you lie above? | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Nope...I am not looking for another church I said I would leave if it were ever controling or cult like. So no I did not lie...reread what I wrote. I am sorry you don't like my religion but I love it. I would not live any other way. So why do you have so much anger???? and Hate for what I believe? And why the name Apstolic truth??? Apstolic is usually Jesus name? I pray you have a blessed day!!! ACTS | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.229.6.252 |
Again, hello M(r)(s). Acts238: I am curious, if I exposed Jim Jones' People's Temple, would that be hate? or Is it just those who expose your cult that are filled with anger and hatred? How about the Mormon church, hate? or Is it just the best defense you could come up with? Quoting: "I am not looking for another church I said I would leave if it were ever controling or cult like." End quote. Would you explain the meaning of "controlling" and "cult like?" PS and by the by, tell your preacher I have plenty of money to give away. Just a few simple verses of scripture and it is his. No tricks. | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
It is Mrs. And the reason why I asked is because that is what I sensed when reading your response. Let's see Controlling....being told what I can or can not buy without permission from the Pastor, whom I may talk to without permission. If I do not come to church then I am backsliding and need an immediate telephone call to see where I am. Money is taken out of my bank account every month rather then me giving it, being required to go soul winning rather then having family time.....I could go on. Oh...this one really upsets me....when people think that their church is the only making it to Heaven. Like hello...I never ever look down my nose at anyone...My Pastor taught me that..... I also disagree with my shirts having to be to my wrist, I disagree with having to have my slits sewn up so I can't walk oh and not being able to wear blue Jean skirts.....I can come up with more. My Pastor does not dictate. He does believe in Holiness....but he has never said anything to me. I have asked questions before and my answer was...you have the Holy Ghost you pray about and let God give you an answer. He is a big believer in family time...and our church is talked about because on Holidays we only have one service in the morning and that is it. So that is where I stand on controlling and cult like.....that is how I found this web site. We have a church here that is "cult" like and I wanted more information on it...and yes I found the info on here. It is just sad to me. I can rely your message to my Pastor for you. I pray you have a great day. God Bless, ACTS | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries New member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mrs. Acts238: I have never understood why pentecostals take me for a fool. Do you think I might have researched your religion just a little bit? or Do you think I am in the business of exposing something I know nothing about? Perhaps, you are hoping I did as little research as you did! I have researched your religion enough to know it is considered a cult by every apologist living. I know the origins of pentecostalism and your particular flavor. Do you? I have studied your religion's doctrinal statement enough to know it is full of holes. Have you? I know the licensing requirements for ministers in your religion. Do you? In fact, if you check with the owner of your religion, I spoke to him several times about the licensing requirements. I find it hilarious that one can be licensed UPCI without ever having read the Bible. Would you expect your preacher to have at least read the Word of God? It is not required! You do know your preacher is required to file an annual sworn statement that he will preach your religion's doctrinal statement from the pulpit? Your preacher can not legally preach a single word from the Bible and keep his license. You did know that, right? Your response to my question makes a good advertizing slick. Now try to answer my question with the truth. What exactly is controlling? What exactly is a cult? | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Well...from what I understand you do have to read the entire bible before licensing. I have been with three brothers who had to go before the board and one of the requirements is that you have to read the whole bible at least twice. To be honest with you I am not sure why you would think I was playing or thinking of you as a fool. I mean totally get you do not like pentecostals...what we believe etc...That is fine with me...I am not trying to sway you in any way...I did give you what my thoughts were on a "cult" or controling. I did look it up and there is so many different things that come with a cult label. How about you what defines a cult for you? Have a blessed day, Acts | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries New member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Come Mrs. Acts238: Either I am a liar or a fool in your eyes? I spoke directly with the owner of your religion, I know what the requirements for licensing are, sorry. If I do not like pentecostals, why would anyone bother giving you the truth? If I hated you, it would be simple to let you burn in hell. Why bother trying to decipher the swill of Ms. Turtle or Mr. Arron or Mr. Purification, if I hate pentecostals? You statement makes no sense. | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Ok....well...I am actually speechless here...I am not understanding what you are saying so I guess we are just misunderstangind one another or something because your statement makes no sense to me. I am including the web site...and it states that you have to read the bible through. I don't know who the "owner of my Religion" is....I have no owner except for God himself. I pray you have a blessed evening Acts http://www.upci.org/ | ||
| arron New member Username: arron Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
if tatam spoke directly wwith the owner of my religion the he must have spoken with JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD directly for that is who owns my religious beliefs | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries New member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Thank you for your help Mr. Arron. Unfortunately, as previous proven your religion was invented by the pedophile Charles Fox Parham, not the Son of God. Why not try honesty for a change? | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries New member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 22 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mrs. Acts238: I visited the website you provide. Unfortunately I did not find anything of interest. Allow me to backup for a moment. Apparently, you did not understand that the owner of your religion was under a great deal of pressure with a microphone under his nose. Should anyone be surprised to find he changed/modified/improved his public ad slicks? You tell me. | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Ok...you can think what you like...I know personally what one has to do for licensing and once again there is no "OWNER OF MY RELIGION EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF"!!!!!!!! Like I said before I see you have a problem with Apostolic Pentecostals as myself which is fine with me...I hold no hard feelings toward you. I know each person no matter what denomenation they maybe is striving to make it to the same place...which is Heaven. I will keep trying to make it my way and you can make it your way....I pray you have a wonderful rest of your weekend and Blessed Mother's day. Take Care, Acts | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Thank you, so do I. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
tatm still the liar and the hypocrite... tell me what church you are with | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Acts238, I graduated from a Pentecostal Bible college. I am very aware of the different flavors of Pentecosatlism, including the Charismatic movement. The Apostolic/UPC people that I have met have some interesting doctrines, one which includes that a person can not be saved unless they are baptized in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues. A complete unbiblical doctrine. Also, the UPC is one of the most degrading denominations against women and their role in ministry. I have never considered myself a Pentecostal; more of a Charismatic. However, over the years I have seen, while in full time ministry, the crazy antics displayed. I have come to the conclusion that these antics are not anything more than "spiritual Acrobatics", performed to feel spiritual. One final note on crazy doctrines: The UPC, and others, have this teaching that one can bind and loose the devil. However, binding and loosing is never used, scripturally, as a means of spiritual warefare. I will get into this more later. | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
Bear, I wasn't going to come back but i want to ask you a question after your last post. Have you ever seen anything else like how close and interfamily relate thes particular groups are???? | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
Gary, | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
Gary, Acts 2:38 KJV (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Actually yes, I have. This is not in any way exclusive to these groups. In fact, I have found more disagreement among them, and differences, than in other groups. My problem is with the mailine pentecostal church's, who hold to some very strange, extrabiblical and misinterpreted, through the lense of a a lower and higher critique, doctrines. | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
Would you find the doctrine of dispensationalism being one of them??? Does there seem to be a high influence of gossip, lies and deception. | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
No on the first, and yes on the second. | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
Do there church leaders seem to work with other church leaders of there kind to defraud people??? | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Not the ones that I know. What is the point that you are attempting to make? | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Not the ones that I know. What is the point that you are attempting to make? | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
just fishing for an answer to something sorry to trouble you bear. Just needing and answer, That I think only God can provide right now for me. | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Hello, Where do I start...with women...I do not see how women are down played...in my state we have women preachers....women are used a lot and are considered blessings. I am sure that there are those select few churches that make the whole organization look but what denomination does not have that....I found this web site looking for information on a church here in my home town that is nothing but degrading to women. We had a yard sale a couple of weekends ago to raise money for Save our children and a couple from a baptist church stopped by and were very rude to me...I was inviting them to a children's crusade we were going to have and said hey...if you guys want to bring your church we are going to have clowns, blow ups and more....he point blank said "WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN CLOWNS...YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH " He was very cold and rude to me...and I am sorry..but our clowns do not even wear makeup.....Anyhoo..my point is...no one is perfect...every denomination has its good and bad. I am going to continue believing how I am believing and striving to make it to heaven. I know in John it says a person must be born of the water and of the spirit....what is the proof of being born of the spirit???? I do not judge anyone else and what they believe because the bible says not to judge but it seems like a lot of people are judging not just me but anyone who is "UPC" Pentecostal. Sorry if I am rambling but I just do not understand why everyone is against this person or that person....we are all striving to make it to the same place right???? Do We all not believe in the same God..... | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Hello, Where do I start...with women...I do not see how women are down played...in my state we have women preachers....women are used a lot and are considered blessings. I am sure that there are those select few churches that make the whole organization look but what denomination does not have that....I found this web site looking for information on a church here in my home town that is nothing but degrading to women. We had a yard sale a couple of weekends ago to raise money for Save our children and a couple from a baptist church stopped by and were very rude to me...I was inviting them to a children's crusade we were going to have and said hey...if you guys want to bring your church we are going to have clowns, blow ups and more....he point blank said "WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN CLOWNS...YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH " He was very cold and rude to me...and I am sorry..but our clowns do not even wear makeup.....Anyhoo..my point is...no one is perfect...every denomination has its good and bad. I am going to continue believing how I am believing and striving to make it to heaven. I know in John it says a person must be born of the water and of the spirit....what is the proof of being born of the spirit???? I do not judge anyone else and what they believe because the bible says not to judge but it seems like a lot of people are judging not just me but anyone who is "UPC" Pentecostal. Sorry if I am rambling but I just do not understand why everyone is against this person or that person....we are all striving to make it to the same place right???? Do We all not believe in the same God..... | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
You know you can lump all baptist together. I know baptist that have clown ministry in their church. What is sad is when I see those that claim to be going on crusades and really after money. That scares me. I know there is nothing wrong with money be taken but to have the offering plate passed ten times okay maybe it really only three there is a problem. Also when is see a person rob the poor and claim to do in Jesus' name that scares me. People need to be warn about these people. It does not matter if you dont' agree with the way to minister but to use people i have a problem with. That the kind of minister i know that was in your type of church. An actually I am not positive he is one of yours but that is the important thing. People need to be warn of these types of individuals. Crooks and deceivers in the church. I am not sure why the baptist was hard on you in your opinion, but curiousity is did you preach the word. Was the word spoken or about going to the bar in another state. Mixed messages of minister claiming to be ministers and not preaching truth that is scary. Even buddist don't teach those things from the pulpit. | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Huh...I am sorry...I am not following you....We were not taking money to take it...My pastor forgets to take up offering half the time and yes I know that their are those that are not good but you can not lump all "UPC" and say were evil and no good....Why was the baptist guy hard to me..it was the spirit that was not good. He said it with such coldness and rudeness...I did not say anything else to him...did not bring up scripture or anything. I know that we may not agree on doctrines and so forth...I do know that this baptist church is somewhat different from others...the women do not wear pants and I have only seen the Pastor in white button up shirts. But it was his fruits of the spirit I was not seeing. Still my point is....just as you can not lump all baptist together you can not lump all UPC together. | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
Now we agree on something ACTS can you believe it. WE agree that you can't lump all in the same category. Wow progress. Sorry it did not make a lot of sense but if it had I would of known who you were, so sorry for the confusion. Just making sure. I got paranoid for a second. Now as far as Baptist wearing dresses some sects do only wear dresses, but now even ladies are coming with pants suits. I had never thought of the way baptist dress as being stereo typed. When I was in the baptist church I did wear dresses because I was taught you wear the best to the House of God. But if rags were the best I had that would be fine to. But trust me Mom made sure we had a new dress twice a year. Most churches in mainstream denominations could get stereo typed by dress. But true believers of faith would say dress is not the most important thing. It is what is in your heart. It is interesting how things are preceived sometimes and really has nothing to do with faith or religion, but is what is practiced. lol | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
hey turtle how are you be praying for all of us | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Yes...we agree....but you know I have friends in different denominations and we just agree to disagree and we focus on things we have in common and go from there. I feel I can learn something from anyone....I do not have just hear it from a UPC person or Pastor. I had a UPC Pastor tell me to reach out more and be more open minded. He told me it was ok to read uplifting books by others. When I read some of the posts on here I laugh to myself thinking...gosh lots of people think we are these in your face your going to hell kind of people and we are the only church making it....well...if that is the case there is going to be a lot of disappointed people on judgement day. My pastor preaches on the fruits of the spirit a lot...you must bear good fruits to be a witness for God. I totally agree. I may just be one of the lucky ones who got a good Pastor. OH and on the dress thing...I was so surprised...I thought only Apostolic Holiness people wore dresses and skirts....I am thrilled that others believe that way. Yes I know it is the heart but it is nice to know others believe that as well. You have a very blessed day turtle!!! Good speaking with you ACTS | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
hey acts ... in our church women wear dresses or skirts, although a few wear pant they are of the youger set. also no make up or jewlery on most of ours the men do not smoke or use tobbacco in any form. we are not legalistic but we just live as JESUS wants us to live | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Hey Arron....I agree you guys are not legalistic!!! That is how our church is as well. WE also believe that is how God wants us to live. I have made a vow with God...and have choosen to live the way I do. I choose...that is what makes it so much more wonderful. You have a very blessed day!!! | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
There are alot of believers out there in the world alot do not know their Savior Jesus. That is the message I wish to speak. But alot do not realize fruits need to be their in their lives. I do not wish to argue anymore even on these threads, I really think it comes to nothing. Accept alot of angry words being exchanged. But I think discussing difference can be a good thing. But truth be told it needs to be done in the right way. And I know for a fact on these boards it is seldom done. I have been in the mist of many arguments here, and though I have learned more then I ever dreamed including facts and fiction I do not believe those reading gain much from them but thinking there is alot of crazy out there. I would rather them take home the knowledge of Jesus Christ. And that is why I set up my website so that God would be glorified and magnified. That is my focus that is why I won't be around these boards much unless I feel lead by God to be here. Some will even laugh at that statement not understanding God truly leads His people. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
hey turtle i notice you never answer my writting or acknowledge i sent them have i done somthing wrong again | ||
| turtle New member Username: turtle Post Number: 25 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
No arron, If you sent something by email I have not received them and if you mean on the board, i may of responded in a message further down that was to someone else. I dont' answer all post these days. But I probably did read if i was on the section you posted on. But you are just as guilty as I am. I asked you a thread if you took time to read the Bible Study I was doing on the Holy Spirit and asked your opinion. Arron I probably won't be on much here. I really do have work I need to do. I have spend to much time this past month on factnet. so if you dont' see me visit my site and you know what is up. You are welcome to join if you like. | ||
| turtle Junior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.239.149 |
Arron, one more thing news update Jerry Farwell has died. around 1:30 today. | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
sorry turtle.. i did answer you post on one of the threads. i said that i wrote to you but it would not go through. i went to your site and could not get on i dont know what was or is wrong. i dont know how to work the comp sometimes sorry | ||
| arron Junior Member Username: arron Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
sorry turtle.. i did answer you post on one of the threads. i said that i wrote to you but it would not go through. i went to your site and could not get on i dont know what was or is wrong. i dont know how to work the comp sometimes sorry | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Come Rev. Turtle, why were you ashame to tell Mr. Purification7 you are a female preacher? | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Junior Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mrs. Acts238: The dress code began with the Roman church. Ever hear of Broadcloth? Effeminate? Read the Bible, you will not have a hard time finding it. John Wesley also promoted it. Dress codes are work and fall under the heading of legalism. To the response of Rev. Turtle, I have never heard of a Baptist with a dress code. Fortunately, two wrongs do not make a right. Sorry. Works are works. Legalism is legalism, wether required by Baptist, Methodist or Hindus. | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Hello Acts238, You stated: what is the proof of being born of the spirit???? What is your understanding of this, "being born of the Spirit"? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
bear what is your proof that it isnt being born again | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Aaron, I do not understand your question. I did not say anything about it not being about salvation, so what proof are you looking for; what do I need to prove? You are not understanding what is being asked! Re-read acts238's post, then re-read mine. If you do so, I hope that you will see what it is that I am asking. You see, Aaron, I quoted acts238's post in red; it is her words, not mine! Do you actually read these posts in context prior to responding? It appears that you do not! | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
Hello bear...I just got a chance to sit and read some posts...I will not be on here much....Ok...it says in John that one must be born of the water and the spirit...I was wondering how do we know we have the spirit what is the evidence of having the spirit? IF it is speaking in tongues....I am going to make sure I speak in tongues....Does this mean I am going to curse anyone else to hell because I may believe this...nope not all...just as for me...I do not want to go to hell and if it means being baptized in Jesus name...I am going to do it....what's it going to hurt...if I have to speak in tongues...going to do it...what's it going to hurt???? Maybe it is just obedience to his word...that's all....hope that made sense.....I am sure I am going to get all kind of reply's and attacks on this.....but you know I just really responded on here because I wanted people to know not all UPC people are what we are labeled to be. I have my beliefs and I know others have theirs...I respect that and do not judge or condemn. It would not be right of me. I just hope that people see that I love God with all my heart and if he asked me to walk over broken glass I would do it for Him. God Bless, Acts | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Quoting: "I respect that and do not judge or condemn." End quote. What a FOOL Jesus Christ was!! Had he simply adopted your formula he would have lived to a ripe old age. The slug let his aligator mouth overrun his hummingbird ***. And they nailed him to a cross. Compromise! Why didn't the fool simply compromise the Word of God? You should spend some time reading your Bible, my dear friend. Acts 8:12 and Acts 19:1 were both baptized in Jesusnameonly and both were lost. | ||
| acts238 New member Username: acts238 Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.51.211.171 |
I know I am not lost. I know I am on the right path to heaven. No one can tell me any different. I am simply not going to put down or tell anyone that they are going to hell...sorry It is simply not my place to. I am not the Alpha and Omega, I am not the Great I AM...I did not die on a cross. I am simply a person who is thankful for the Grace and Mercy of God!!!! God Bless, Acts | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Quoting: "I am simply not going to put down or tell anyone that they are going to hell...sorry It is simply not my place to." End quote. Does that mean you are incapable of witnessing? By the by, the Bible says the folks in Acts 8:12 and the people in Acts 19:1 were baptized in Jesus name only and lost. Is the Bible a liar? | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
you tatm you are a complete some one who thinks they know it all i still want to know who hurt you and in what group did they hurt you at or was it one of your people a son or a daughter if you are married. you con demn nothing but the pentecostals why not other denoms. have they all except the pentecostal got the worng messege? according to you they have. well i read and study the bible kjv and i am satisfied in what i beleive the WORD OF GOD teaches. you refuse to answer any question put to you as where or what is your faith and were you hurt in some pentecostal faith or some one close to you. and why you take it out on us so answer please | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. Arron, we have been down this road thousands of times. God commanded me to take up an apologetics ministry ministering to those caught up in the pseudo-christian cult of pentecostalism. God did not tell me to deal with the Mormons. God did not tell me to deal with the Roman church. God did not tell me to deal with the Church of Christ. God did not tell me to deal with the Church of God. God did not tell me to deal with the Adventist Movement. God did not tell me to deal with the Jehovah's Witnesses. God said minister to those caught up in the psudeo-christian cult of pentecostalism, period. Should I, in your opinion, tell God to buzz off? | ||
| mcmstaff78 Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 208.61.5.114 |
Hmmm, TATM, I am truly curious just how God "commanded" you to "take up" this "ministry". I'm sure others would be interested in your experience as well. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.208.12.98 |
Mr. MCMSTAFF78: He called me on the Motorola! Lets face, that worked for Peter Popoff. It must also work for me. | ||
| arron Member Username: arron Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.34.187 |
if HE called you to come against the pentecostals why are you against me i am CHURCH OF GOD and that is what my wife was when she was alive and the CHURCH OF GOD IS pentecostal | ||
| mcmstaff78 Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 55 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
TATM, why not answer the question? It's a fairly simple one. You made the claim, you should be willing to express it. Unless you have something to hide, I would think you'd want to back up your claim. | ||
| stillrecovering Junior Member Username: stillrecovering Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 76.64.79.240 |
IS THE PENTECOSTAL RELIGION A CULT?? Well, getting back to the original question, I would definitely have to say no; though I am basing my response on my own limited experiences at several Pentecostal churches (within PAOC) over the last 10 years. That said, I understand there are branches of Pentecostalism (for example, possibly some independent Pentecostal churches) that may by more extreme and perhaps even more controlling with no central governing body to be accountable to. No accountability would certainly concern me. In addition, I have serious concerns about some of the teachings and practices, which are widely accepted and embraced in Pentecostal circles. This is one of the reasons I have recently begun attending serviced at a non Pentecostal/Charismatic church. | ||
| candis65l New member Username: candis65l Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 12.210.208.34 |
Two of my sisters are pentacost and it blows me away that my sisters are always dressed in long denim skirts and what not while their husbands are dressed in name brand clothing. One of them said she was pregnant before she was married and the pastor told the whole church during the service that they were to have nothing to do with her wedding!!!!!! What I would like to know is who is he to judge anyone and tell others what to do? Worst of all my sisters still attend this church!!....talk about cult! Candis | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.215.207.115 |
M(r)(s). Candis651: You are correct, all of pentecostalism is a cult. Mind control is their number one weapon. Unfortunately, the only interest the leadership has is money. Stay away from pentecostalism is the best advice. | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 211 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.206.202 |
candi'' i dont know what type of pentecost your sisters are in but in my pentecostal church do not have a dress code and i can assure you that our pator would have married the sister with out a doubt nothing would have been said about her either. one liar on this thread says all pentecostals are bad. it soesnt matter if you ar ahtesist, muslim, baptist methodist or what ever as long as you are not pentecostal. not all pentecostals dress or act the same way so dont worry about it she needs to got tell the pastor she was offended by his remarks then go find andother pentecostal church | ||
| arron Intermediate Member Username: arron Post Number: 212 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.206.202 |
oh yes and what i said .. candi , bout the one sayng the different religions are all righ does not mean that i think muslims are all right or athesist, for i am very strongly againt any one who does not belive in GOD, JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY GHOST. but different religios beliefs do not mean that much to me | ||
| ihavesinned Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 88 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 76.104.217.42 |
What's wrong with atheists? We're good people, we pay our taxes. If god has a problem with us, he'll pop up and let us know, won't he? What do you mean by you are strongly against people who don't believe what you believe? That does sound a little brainwashed when you think about it. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 232 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.215.207.115 |
M(r)(s). ihavesinned: Quoting: “What's wrong with atheists? We're good people, we pay our taxes. If god has a problem with us, he'll pop up and let us know, won't he? “ End quote. May I take some liberty with your question? “What's wrong with child molesters? We're good people, we pay our taxes. If god has a problem with us, he'll pop up and let us know, won't he? “ “What's wrong with terrorists? We're good people, we pay our taxes. If god has a problem with us, he'll pop up and let us know, won't he?” “What's wrong with conservatives? We're good people, we pay our taxes. If god has a problem with us, he'll pop up and let us know, won't he?” “What's wrong with creationist? We're good people, we pay our taxes. If god has a problem with us, he'll pop up and let us know, won't he?” Me thinx your logic stinks! Quoting: “What do you mean by you are strongly against people who don't believe what you believe? That does sound a little brainwashed when you think about it.” End quote. Aye! Me laddy buck! Ye have taken the scenic route to arrive at the core objection to atheism, only I wouldn’t classify it as a little. | ||
| sef88401 New member Username: sef88401 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 24.8.238.25 |
I am a backslider from the "Truth",and United Pentecostal Church. I don't attend church right now, but I can assure you that this is not a cult. Secular people view church as something to do on a Sunday, and view God on the same level as Santa. If you are not willing to give every fiber in your body to God, and your total belief system on Him and his will, you might as well not go to any church. My belief in one God, one baptism, one faith, is still very real to me, but the willingness part is holding me back. | ||
| the_apostolic_truth_ministries Intermediate Member Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries Post Number: 289 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.215.207.115 |
Hello, M(r)(s). sef88401: I am sorry, I did not answer your post sooner. I have been out on the farm for the last week or so. You might say I brought the farm. But now I want to take a moment to address your concerns. Quoting: “. . . but I can assure you that this is not a cult.” End quote. Cult: Noun 1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator *health cults* 5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion Merriam-Webster’s 11th Collegiate Dictionary. As you can see, your religion is a cult. Read definition No. 3 carefully. Quoting: “My belief in one God, one baptism, one faith, . . . .” End quote. Great scripture quote, unfortunately, that is not what your religion is promoting. You will find the origins of your religion here. The Origins of pentecostal Tongues (http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/30639.html?1178977124) The origins of your religion’s Bible here. Finis Jennings Dake, author of the pentecostal Bible (http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/31402.html?1179690135) And the origins of UPCI here. Jesusnameonly . . . Oneness . . . UPCI (http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/31351.html?1179775206) You will find all three discussions to be well researched using your religion’s own history books. All that to say, Yes, Virginia, your religion is a cult (in the worst sort of way!). Ask your pastor, who is the daddy of Jesus Christ? |
