| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous (205.188.117.20) |
What do you guys think about this guy? | ||
| Anonymous (205.188.117.20) |
Bumping this up . . . Again, any thoughts on this guy - good or bad? Thanks! | ||
| Anonymous (129.237.45.163) |
I think hes great, have the "great physicians plan for a sweet life" or something like that on CD and think hes wonderful to listen to and very encouraging. ---rexman | ||
| danman78 (danman78) New member Username: danman78 Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.162.228.122 |
In reguards to Mark Chironna and his Teachings. I have hardly seen a better PERVERSION of the Word Of God, than in this teaching! I am outraged that the Bible could be so poorly interpreted. There is no adherence to context whatsoever. To take advantage of people in this way is absolute abuse. It would be good to make much of Christ, not our wealth or any worldly wealth. I will not spend the time it would take to explain all of the things wrong here. I will choose two examples: In his teaching, “it is a SIN to be living in poverty.”. Does this then, make Christ a sinner, He was born into poverty, and died in poverty. He died in the lowliest of ways. 2. Jesus calls us to SELL ALL THAT WE HAVE and follow him. In his Word He says, that it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven. Why then do we seek wealth here on earth. Our life here is not for our Glory and the gathering of wealth. Jesus said, “deny yourself take up your cross and follow me.” The cross in this passage is equivalent to death, dying to this world. Matthew 6:19-21 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. People, Please make an effort to seek the TRUTH in this matter. This is False teaching from a False Teacher! Dan | ||
| just_a_sinner (just_a_sinner) New member Username: just_a_sinner Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 152.163.101.12 |
Danman78, I'm curious about your response. I agree that God does not want us to be money hungry greedy Christians but I also think God blesses us material at times. I understand that we are not to store up our treasures here; however, most of us have some stuff and I can think of very view people who have sold all that they have. Are we really to sell all or are we to put Christ first and manage what we have? I guess I am asking are we to be stewards or are we to take a vow of poverty. I think you are saying that we should be stewards but giving all is giving all so I want to check. In Christ, | ||
| exposer (exposer) New member Username: exposer Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 168.143.113.125 |
Beware, he is a false prophet using the pretense of the gospel for filthy lucre's sake! Beware of those who would manipulate you and use mesmerism, hypnotism, and manipulative speech. This is not of God! Do not look into the eyes of evil manipulators!!! Look to the Word of God! | ||
| rhema (rhema) New member Username: rhema Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.12.117.12 |
I think we have a situtition of the pot calling the kettle black here. You stated....Beware of those who would manipulate you and use mesmerism, hypnotism, and manipulative speech.Just remember when pointing the finger 3 are pointing back at yourself. The religous also called Jesus a false prophet. but the bible says touch not my anointed due my prophets no harm. It is a dangerous thing to speak agaisnt the anointed of God. if God be for him, who can be agaisnt him. If you strive to prove your ignorance of interupatation of what this man is saying, speaking and doing, it is you who will reap your own destruction. for you will find yourself fighting against god. | ||
| danman78 (danman78) New member Username: danman78 Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.162.228.122 |
It is clear Mark Chironna is not annointed. You cant conflict with the word in such a large way and call yourslef a profit of God. just_a_sinner, I am simply saying that the call for God to bless us in a matirial way as mark calls us to be, is not even close to what we are called to be. I dont beleve that we are called to take a vow of poverty, but that we are called to count all valuables here on earth as loss. Nowhere in the scriptiures (if you take the time to consider proper context) do they tell us that God want us to be rich, or have material welth. Rich in the spirit, Rich in out unsderstanding of Christ. Seek not the treasures of this present time. That is what the bible says, but Mark says, Seek it, God Commands that we should have it. That is Faulse. I am humbley asking that you seek the word, dont follow this man. Dont give him any money. Sowing and Reaping, IN EVERY INSTANCE IN THE BIBLE, is NEVER meant to mean that if you give god money he will repay you in any Material way. IT IS ALWAY MEANT IN TERMS OF OUR DEVOTION TO HIM AND TO OTHERS IN THE BODY AND FOR US TO SOW A SEED (PREACHING THE GOSPLE) If in the word we see a hint on money in thease metiphors, it is still meant to show our faithfullness to God, Not to a ministry found in MARK, or any other crackpot TV evangilist, that refuses to preach, REPENTANCE FROM SIN. Cling to Christ, He is our Riches...nothing on this earth. Paul says "to live is Christ, To die is to gain more Christ" ! I just dont see this message coming from most of these Men...Dont give them your money, Find a good church and tithe it to them. !!! Dan. | ||
| bob_o_link (bob_o_link) Junior Member Username: bob_o_link Post Number: 41 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.165.58.46 |
Mark Chironna is a cool cat, with a good heart an he hears from the Lord healin', edifyin', gift strengthen', refreshin' things that help people get back on track who have been hurt. He has a large family with adopted children an he may not always be right, an has some tangents, but we all do. The only person who is right in every way, all the time is Jesus. He said some things to that singer Carman on TV months back an they were right on, wish to the choirs of angels way up in Heaven that Carman would have gotten a clue, but then he is well... obtuse as controllin' people with giant egos are an the like. As for Carman, like I have said, I like him an I don't. I love his songs that jazz up kids to sing about or to Jesus an I love Mark Chironna's gentleness an concern for the soul an the destiny of folks that he has the opportunity to minister or serve the Lord concernin'. I ain't partial to certain kind of "fund raisin' techniques", but then I ain't in their position an I ain't on TBN. So, gues I'll end by saynin' as I like to do, Jesus said, "Those who are not agen Me are for Me"... He is the judge. I am jest more n thrilled that He loves me an every person fighten, an cursin an searchin' an speakin' on here. Bye Bye | ||
| bob_o_link (bob_o_link) Junior Member Username: bob_o_link Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.165.58.46 |
I seem a might burned out here. Whewww weeeee lookie at my mistakes. OK... it is supposed say 'sayin' and well over look my other fauxpaus will ya. Thanks a heap an Love covers a multitude of sin. | ||
| bob_o_link (bob_o_link) Junior Member Username: bob_o_link Post Number: 43 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.165.58.46 |
To say -to say -to say. Woweeee, I am in need of a protein snack. Sorry. Bye Bye- mistakes n all. May be I'll be back when I have had a vacation | ||
| billiefan2000 (billiefan2000) New member Username: billiefan2000 Post Number: 11 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 67.130.119.210 |
Mark Chironna is a self proclaimed prophet of God, but sadly he is a false teacher and a false prophet. Mark claims that a prophet of God does not have to be 100% accurate, this is unbiblical and proves that he is not a true prophet . He associates with TBN and raises money for this network of blashpemy all during their Praise-A-Thons, all in violation of 2 John 9-11 and Romans 16:17-18. http://www.myfortress.org/MarkChironna.html has more info on him | ||
| psalm5613 (psalm5613) Junior Member Username: psalm5613 Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.39.68.108 |
“The decline that occurred after Philadelphia during the Laodicean period was a direct result of my waves of attack in the climate of society in general, in the political arena, in the educational systems, but primarily in the homes and in the churches. My focus was to disarm parents and preachers.” Lucifer smiled, his voice softening as he recalled those days long gone by. “I remember when we launched our first major campaign of Laocidea, around the turn of the twentieth century. Dibbah, my general of propaganda, laid out a masterful plan, with my help of course, to tear down the nations and to destroy the hearts of people through a systematic destruction in the home and in the churches, with a primary focus on the preachers. Quietly and methodically, we slipped into the inner circles of his churches, into the great denominations, and got close to the greatest preachers and theologians. “We crept in unaware, for the shepherds of the flocks were asleep in their pulpits. We brought with us damnable heresies and applied them quietly and gently. Many Christian preachers, faced with dwindling numbers and a changing social climate, embraced our plan and radically transformed their churches into dens of heresy and iniquity. From the pulpit, my doctrines of demons trickled down to those in the pews. The mindless, undiscerning Christians embraced this neo-truth with vigor. Those believers that held close to the literal interpretation of his Bible and operated in the role of the noble-minded Berean, rejected it, causing more strife and division in an already beleaguered church. “Consider this simple example: Early in the twenty-first century, the Presbyterian USA church brought to a vote whether there were other paths to salvation beyond the Christ. Wonderful! In another example, a Methodist church allowed my most honorable Reverend Sun Myung Moon to speak in its pulpit. The Methodist preacher praised Reverend Moon as being used greatly by God. Here, let me give you a quote from that minister: ‘What impresses me so much about Rev. Moon is that he’s truly on the battlefield for our Lord. He’s truly a gift from God to bring people together.’* I find this particularly appealing, considering that Moon considers himself to be the chosen one to finish the work of the Messiah.” My thoughts wafted through several portions of Scripture that pointed to those very activities: to the lukewarm attitude of the church; the rise of heresy and apostasy within the church; the doctrines of demons that would permeate the earth; and the rise of those having the spirit of antichrist, laying claim to being the Messiah. “We had such wonderful success that the encroachment of my kingdom across the boundaries of his forced him to intervene again, with the Rapture. He rescued his walking wounded from the field of disobedience, rebellion and apostasy.” “A victory for the Lord,” I stated. “You undoubtedly believe that. However, he was not the victor, I was,” Lucifer replied. “I had him on the ropes. He had to snatch his people away before I swallowed them whole.” I didn’t respond. The delusion of the dark one runs deep. “So many are in hell right now because they were not challenged by their preachers…or, should I say, my preachers. Those weak-kneed, liberal preachers succumbed to the will of the people, and turned out sermon after sermon of a social gospel. They turned their backs on the cardinal tenants of the Christian faith. They defiled their office by turning their backs on the primary duties. Instead of preachers and shepherds, they became hirelings, paid by me. I loved them all.” He whipped his head around to look at me directly. “Few men in those last days of Laodicea stood as those during Philadelphia. Few dared to proclaim Yahweh’s word as Edwards did in 1741.” “Jonathan Edwards?” I asked. From "Interview with Lucifer" by Rollin Miller www.interviewwithlucifer.com rollin@interviewwithlucifer.com 1 Corinthians 1:23 | ||
| zealous4 (zealous4) New member Username: zealous4 Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.93.15.58 |
I have truly been touched and helped through Mark Chironna's ministry. His operation in the gift of Word of Knowledge is a wonderful and authentic gift from Jesus. He said some very interesting points on TBN a few months ago on a Monday night. He presented a wonderful balance between psychology and theology in life and relationships. He talked about a healthy seperation from a Mother and the real consequences of multiple sexual partners. The spiritual consequences. He was most compassionate and yet very forthcoming. I am not sure why there are objections raised, other than denominational differences that incur prejudical types of thought. He is a very good minister and a terrific father to a number of a adopted children. Z4 | ||
| merovengian (merovengian) New member Username: merovengian Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 65.193.99.4 |
I have to step up and defend this brother as well, and I was a little skeptical about his ministry at first. He then came to my church and the man called me out personally and spoke a word to me for about 10 minutes pertaining to things in my life. Let me also add that I understand the prophetic ministry and this man is a PROPHET! He not only just pointed things out like most self-proclaimed prophets do and leave you hanging! But he gave direction and clarity why I had gone through what I was going through in various areas of my life. When he was done speaking into my life he then walked away and came back and said, "Oh and also God is going to heal that pain in your back" I had injured my back a week ago and was still in pain and he spoke to that. Also all the things he spoke to in terms of my business, personal life and healing all came to pass. Mark is truly a man of God who walks in a heavy prophetic mantle. Before you judge him at least read his teachings and listen to his messages. Just my opinion and personal experience with the brother. Blessings, Mr. Wiggles | ||
| nu2son New member Username: nu2son Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 68.188.243.34 |
Hey I believe God's wealth that He gives is to be used propagate the Gospel, now saying that, I also want to say to "Dan" that Jesus had enough money in His ministry that he had a "treasurer" (Judas) and there was enough that Judas was stealing from it. And as far as giving all your money away, have you given all of yours Dan? You must be ready to give whatever Jesus ask of us, after all it is His and we are only stewards, but he doesnt ask that of everyone and if He did, he would bless you for it or the next time some one was giving, you would be the poor one wouldnt you? | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 423 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 |
ma ma ma my Chironna... | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 614 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
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| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 424 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 |
yourself! How are you? | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 429 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 |
In Cancun, they sing ma ma ma my Corona... | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 616 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
 I'm great. Our church is having a week of prayer to start the year, and to pray for the ministry team that just left for Mississippi to help in the rebuilding. So we're getting ready to leave. But I just had to check good old fn (compulsively?) to see what's new. Just so no one accuses us of being off topic, I really don't like Mark Chironna. He's way too over the top and dramatic for me. Plus I also don't care for TBN and he's on their telethons all the time. And lately he changes his hair color even more than I do. I see you've taken on the Rachel/Franklin tag team. Should be entertaining! CM | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 439 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 |
Perhaps, I actually try to stay away from that particular crew (too creepy) but you know how I can't STAND for someone to pick on WOF  ... Hey, sorry about reposting that thing about TRS - I was just messing with her. Funny thing is that except for her dislike for Copeland and RT, I agree with what she writes doctrinally and politically more than any other single person on Factnet... | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4717 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 |
Who's calling who a creep, creep?  | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 617 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
Get That's OK, I was just messin' with ya. And with trs, who is STILL IGNORING ME. MAYBE IF I TYPE ALL IN BOLD AND CAPS SHE'LL NOTICE AND RESPOND. CM | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 618 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
Franklin Great to see you've got a sense of humor, too. No sarcasm intended, either!  CM | ||
| getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 442 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 |
Would you like a slice of Oscar Meyer bologna... ma ma ma ma ma my bologna... | ||
| cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 622 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
But get, here in the Midwest we say "baloney" so it doesn't rhyme. You'll have to use the Italian spelling (at least I think it's this)..... ma ma ma ma ma my bologne. | ||
| bryan_sr New member Username: bryan_sr Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 69.233.38.119 |
Mark Chironna needs Jesus. I have yet to hear him preach Christ and Him crucified. | ||
| grace2u Intermediate Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 278 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Jesus, the Son of Mary, is the Christ (p. 6) Christ gave Himself for the Church. He loved the Church so much that He died for her liberation from the brickyard! At resurrection, the seed of immorality was replanted into humanity (2 Timothy 1:10) The glory that was present at the transfiguration was resurrection glory. The Spirit within us that heals and transforms us is the same Spirit which resurrects. This Spirit transcends death (Rom. 8:11) (p. 81) (Mark Chironna, The Undiscovered Christ) I apologize to Mark for the lengthy post quoting him without his permission. (Message edited by Grace2u on July 16, 2007) | ||
| grace2u Intermediate Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 282 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
I suppose I should have stated my apologies to "Dr. Chironna". I'm not sure why I worded this incorrectly. My apologies for that also. |
