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tomrossini
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Anglican Church of Canada
Office of the Primate, 80 Hayden Street, Toronto, ON M4Y 3G2

Tel. 416-924-9199 Ext. 277 / Email pfeheley@national.anglican.ca


September 6,2007

Dear Thomas:

I wanted to acknowledge your email and the formal letter of complaint that was addressed to The Anglican Church of Canada. It takes strong courage and conviction to write what you have written and it is clear that you have experienced a great deal of pain.

The issues that you raise in the letter are serious and the Anglican Church of Canada is very committed to addressing all allegations of abuse, particularly where children are involved however the National Church in this case has no authority or jurisdiction to deal with your letter. If you or any others wish to make a formal complaint against an Anglican Cleric those complaints should be addressed to the Bishop of the Diocese in which Grenville Christian College was situated. In this case it is the Bishop Of Ontario and his address and email are as follows:

Rt. Rev. George L. R. Bruce
90 Johnson Street
KINGSTON ON K7L 1X7
Tel: (613) 544-4774
Fax: (613) 547-3745
Bishop's e-mail: gbruce@ontario.anglican.ca
Diocesan e-mail: synod@ontario.anglican.ca

I have included with this letter a copy of the Bishop’s statement that was issued to day. I hope that this information is useful to you and I would be open to offering any other information that you would find helpful concerning this matter. Please do not hesitate to call email or write.

Yours sincerely,

Paul

Archdeacon Paul Feheley

Principal Secretary to the Primate

Pastoral Statement to the Diocese of Ontario with respect to Grenville Christian College



Many of you may have read the recent articles in the Globe and Mail alleging abusive behaviour at Grenville Christian College. What follows clarifies the relationship between the college and the diocese.



The Diocese of Ontario, which covers the geographical counties of Leeds Grenville; Frontenac; Lennox and Addington; Prince Edward and Hastings has, since 1862, been the Anglican Church of Canada presence in those counties. The diocese consists of congregations and parishes. As the 11th Bishop of the diocese, I have canonical responsibility for the deployment of clergy and for the overall operation and conduct of the parishes of the diocese. Those authorities are delegated to me by the synod of the diocese and expressed in Canon Law as approved by the Synod. Final authority is the Synod of the Incorporated Synod of the diocese of Ontario which is composed of delegates chosen from all parishes and all clergy in charge of parishes.



The Incorporated Synod of the Diocese of Ontario has at no time had any contractual or defacto responsibility or control over the operations of Grenville Christian College.



Grenville Christian College is operated by its own Board of Directors as a non profit charitable benevolent religious corporation.



The Diocese has occasionally, at the invitation of the College Leadership, provided clergy (including Bishops) to officiate at regular services of worship.



The most recent Headmaster, The Rev Gordon Mintz, a priest in good standing of this diocese was granted permission to be on leave from the diocese in order to apply to the Search Committee of Grenville Christian College for the position of Headmaster. This position has now terminated with the announced closure of the College. Rev Mintz remains a priest of this diocese in good standing and remains on leave until a suitable ministry can be identified for him.
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From: "Bishop George Bruce" <gbruce@ontario.anglican.ca> Book To: "'Thomas'" <plyman69@yahoo.com>
CC: apatterson@ontario.anglican.ca, wvarley@ontario.anglican.ca, pswan@ontario.anglican.ca
Subject: your email
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:53:58 -0400
Dear Thomas,



I acknowledge receipt of your email and want you to know that I am treating your correspondence as a formal complaint of misconduct against a retire priest of the Diocese of Ontario as defined by Canon 35 of the Diocese of Ontario (to be found at www.ontario.anglican.ca)



Under the provisions of this Canon I am requesting that you meet with me and my Chancellor to discuss the specifics of your allegation.



Please contact my secretary, Ms Anne Patterson at 613-544-4774 ext 30 to arrange such a meeting.



Yours sincerely



+George Bruce

Bishop of Ontario
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priest_of_satan
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Tom, buddy are you kidding me? There are people on here that have legitimate complaints - like staff kids and CofJ kids.
We were at GCC together - I was a sh*t disturber as much as you - but you are actually posting this crap and making complaints to this degree - basically stirring up the pot when you just don't remember that the rules were the rules. Listen, learn and follow them. So what if Dan Ortolani poke us a few times - maybe he was a bully. Father Farnsworth - so what if he was a borderline religous Evangelist THAT MAYBE BOUGHT INTO SOMETHING HE SHOUDN'T HAVE.

Get over it man - the people on here are predominantly staff kids, CofJ or individuals that unfortunately were "brainwashed" into believing the CofJ and mothers b.s. preachings. They should be gripeing and healing.

You and me? We need to suck it up and realize that we were f*cked up before we got to GCC - THAT is how we landed there. Wait, now I should be at my mom...grabbing the phone as I type.

Spend your energy somewhere else - the only thing I will give you credit for is having your name attached to your posts - I should have done the same thing but thought the bullsh*t title that FF gave me in Grade 12 would be funny.
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Jason...I guess you and I see it in 2 different lights and thats ok we all have our own personal views. I respect yours and I hope you can respect mine even if you do not agree. The thing you may not know is that I am a registered nurse and I have been specially trained in abuse. I am an ER nurse and deal with all forms of abuse constantly and this sickens me. I don't want to get into the training I have but I feel that these are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. I was verbally, physically and emotionally abused. I may have been a problem child, I may have been a "holy terror" and I may have been a wiseA$$ but I did not need to suffer any of this abuse. There is no and ifs or buts....I am not asking for any compensation or any type of award. I am only asking that people be responsible for their actions.
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Tom, I thinks it''s great and courageous what you're doing! I am happy to support you in any way.

Jason, I was not a staff kid nor CoJ and I was never even in big trouble during my time at Grenville. However, I do still carry the verbal and emotional scars from this period. How we were controlled and not allowed to flourish in a natural way, as teenagers, was damaging - perhaps not to you but to many of us. It wasn't a healthy environment for children and probably not for adults either!

It's great that you could party your way through without any emotional damage but many of us couldn't.

(Message edited by tinkerbell84 on September 06, 2007)
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I know these individuals are sorry - it goes without saying...will you honestly be better off b/c i can't imagine much more being done or said by the GCC side to appease you!!
That in itself may be more damaging to you all.
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Tom; Your letter from the Anglican church looks alot like the one I received from the same guy (after sending in my complaint.)
Want to hear something ridiculously funny? On the one he sent me, the title was actually "Form letter" (Oops, he must have been busy that day.)
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POS: You say: I know these individuals are sorry - it goes without saying.

It really doesn't go without saying. There are many individuals involved who want nothing more than to cover things up and hope they go away. This is natural for a secular human who doesn't really care, or can't bear to empathize with others.

The disrespect you are showing in your posts borders on violating the rules of civility on this board. Try to place yourself in someone else's shoes and leave the judging to God.

To Tom: Way to go!! You do what you need to do. The Truth will set us all free. Maybe most of all, FF himself (and the other CoJers).
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Get over it man - the people on here are predominantly staff kids, CofJ or individuals that unfortunately were "brainwashed" into believing the CofJ and mothers b.s. preachings. They should be gripeing and healing.

You and me? We need to suck it up and realize that we were f*cked up before we got to GCC - THAT is how we landed there.-------quote from Jason(POS).

Jesus Christ Jason, enough already! You can't keep saying we as staff kids or CofJ kids are the only ones that have a problem with all of this. You students do NOT need to "suck it up". So many of you were abused in many ways and it is ok to admit it!! Stop making so light of it, Jason. Yes, you are entitled to your feelings about the place but DON'T tell others to "suck it up." They should NOT have to!!

Getting off!-----Dawn
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POS, you need to keep those type of opinions to yourself. You have no right to minimize or judge how people felt about their treatment. Its not your place to define and decide what is and is not acceptable. Your really getting very irritating, and I echo Dawn's comments. ENOUGH ALREADY, we get your thoughts, loud and clear. Move on.
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Good work, Tom. It's been a long, long time coming. Kudos to you from a former "brother" at the CoJ.
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I have to agree with Tom. My husband went through hell there. Not only mental and emotional abuse, but down right physical abuse. NO ONE has the right to hold down a child/young adult and have the holy beaten out of them because they would not admit to garbage the "collected authorities" believed he "thought". NOTHING is bad enough to dish out this type of discipline, not once but many times they tried to drive the devil from him. He ran away many times, but was always brought back by the OPP because he was under age. He left for good on his 16th BD. Those from GCC found him on the 401, called OPP to have him brought back, but because of his age his was free!!! to go. Those from GCC did not give him a penny for his quest. He relied on total strangers to get him to his destination. (Where was Christianity in all of this, not from GCC but from total strangers)

There were many years in our early marriage I did not think we would make it because of the harbored anger. He to this day has repressed memories from his days there, and as I update him on the current events I find his sleeping disturbed. Could it be from these repressed memories? Probably...but I do believe those responsible for his time there should be held accountable.

Jason, I am glad you can think of your time there in a favorable light, but there are many that cannot. Give them a break and allow those that need to heal time to heal. There are those from this school that need to be accountable and are finally beginning to see this.
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Tom,

Hooray. I will be sending my letter to them by Monday.

Spain
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I have to agree with Tom. My husband went through hell there. He went through not only emotional abuse, but down right physical abuse. NO ONE has the right to hold down a child/young adult and have the holy beaten out of him because he would not admit to garbage the "collected authorities" believed he "thought". NOTHING is bad enough to dish out this type of discipline. Not once but many times they tried to drive the devil from him. He ran away many times, but was always brought back by the OPP because he was under age. He left for good on his 16th BD. Those from GCC found him on the 401, called OPP to have him brought back, but because of his age his was free!!! to go. Those from GCC did not give him a penny for his quest. He relied on strangers to get him to his destination. (Where was Christianity in all of this, not from GCC but from total strangers)

There were many years in our early marriage I did not think we would make it because of his harbored anger. He continued the physical abuse cycle with our child until I threaten to leave him (did leave him for some time). He saw the error of this, apologized to us and never beat our child again. To this day he has repressed memories from his days there, and as I update him on the current events I find his sleeping disturbed. Could it be from these repressed memories? Probably...but I do believe those responsible for his hellish time there should be held accountable.

Jason, I am glad you can think of your time there in a favorable light, but there are many that cannot. Give them a break and allow those that need to heal time to heal. There are those that need to be held accountable for their actions, and I believe that is all these fellow posters are asking for. The timing is just right.
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POS - I'm not C of J or Staff - I spent 4 years there and reading these post has shown me there are many different stories - I have not walked a mile in their shoes. Appreciate the differences and move on.

Ann Bartnes
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Understood - I have stated many times that my position is from the guys dorm perspective - I have had individual conversations off line and stories have been shared that are disturbing.

Dawn, Ann I get your off and understand the purpose of these boards and discussions - I really do. You guys have legitimate qualms with your treatment at GCC - however, there ARE individuals that pushed their luck constantly while at GCC and did everything in their power to cause sh*t. Those people are circling with the wagons when they should be remembering their attitudes, while at GCC, and letting the "real" affected individuals take action. But hey, my oppionion does not matter.

I get it - not making any friends here which is o.k. I guess - not trying to make enemies either.
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Understood - I have stated many times that my position is from the guys dorm perspective - I have had individual conversations off line and stories have been shared that are disturbing.

Dawn, Ann I get your off and understand the purpose of these boards and discussions - I really do. You guys have legitimate qualms with your treatment at GCC - however, there ARE individuals that pushed their luck constantly while at GCC and did everything in their power to cause sh*t. Those people are circling with the wagons when they should be remembering their attitudes, while at GCC, and letting the "real" affected individuals take action. But hey, my oppionion does not matter.

I get it - not making any friends here which is o.k. I guess - not trying to make enemies either.
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Understood - I have stated many times that my position is from the guys dorm perspective - I have had individual conversations off line and stories have been shared that are disturbing.

Dawn, Ann I get your off and understand the purpose of these boards and discussions - I really do. You guys have legitimate qualms with your treatment at GCC - however, there ARE individuals that pushed their luck constantly while at GCC and did everything in their power to cause sh*t. Those people are circling with the wagons when they should be remembering their attitudes, while at GCC, and letting the "real" affected individuals take action. But hey, my oppionion does not matter.

I get it - not making any friends here which is o.k. I guess - not trying to make enemies either.
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Understood - I have stated many times that my position is from the guys dorm perspective - I have had individual conversations off line and stories have been shared that are disturbing.

Dawn, Ann I get your off and understand the purpose of these boards and discussions - I really do. You guys have legitimate qualms with your treatment at GCC - however, there ARE individuals that pushed their luck constantly while at GCC and did everything in their power to cause sh*t. Those people are circling with the wagons when they should be remembering their attitudes, while at GCC, and letting the "real" affected individuals take action. But hey, my oppionion does not matter.

I get it - not making any friends here which is o.k. I guess - not trying to make enemies either.
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Your powers are fading
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Understood - I have stated many times that my position is from the guys dorm perspective - I have had individual conversations off line and stories have been shared that are disturbing.

Dawn, Ann I get your off and understand the purpose of these boards and discussions - I really do. You guys have legitimate qualms with your treatment at GCC - however, there ARE individuals that pushed their luck constantly while at GCC and did everything in their power to cause sh*t. Those people are circling with the wagons when they should be remembering their attitudes, while at GCC, and letting the "real" affected individuals take action. But hey, my oppionion does not matter.

I get it - not making any friends here which is o.k. I guess - not trying to make enemies either.
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Understood - I have stated many times that my position is from the guys dorm perspective - I have had individual conversations off line and stories have been shared that are disturbing.

Dawn, Ann I get your off and understand the purpose of these boards and discussions - I really do. You guys have legitimate qualms with your treatment at GCC - however, there ARE individuals that pushed their luck constantly while at GCC and did everything in their power to cause sh*t. Those people are circling with the wagons when they should be remembering their attitudes, while at GCC, and letting the "real" affected individuals take action. But hey, my oppionion does not matter.

I get it - not making any friends here which is o.k. I guess - not trying to make enemies either.
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HEY JASON, did you go nuts on the "send" button? That post came through 6 times.

OF COURSE, your opinions count and I am sorry if I came across too harsh. I just want those that were hurt to feel comfortable sharing and telling their stories. I'm sure you understand what I mean. You take care and have a good weekend!!

I don't know about anyone else but I am soooo ready for the weekend and some R&R!!

Cheers-----Dawn
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OMG!! What a hoot! I guess you really want your voice to be heard; Jason!
All you have to do is press only once on the post message button and then it should post only one time. But then again , you might be ""to hit so many times.
And thanks for the laughter, really need it ;especially reading all of this.
Have a good weekend, everyone!!!! :-)
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I don't consider the wish to listen to beautiful music to be indicative of a "bad attitude". Nor does having mature relationships at 19 (approved by my parents). Not only were we persecuted for our actions, we were persecuted for our beliefs, sound familiar?
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Thanks Tom for stepping up for so many of us. It is inportant to many of us that some action is taken, and I as one of those 'negative' kids I would do anything to help start the healing. POS, I think you and I went to GCC at the same time, (Im not sure I was an inmate from 1983-1987) you really have to appreciate not all of us could 'play the game' as you did. Some of us were supervised most of the time, and some of us didnt have the choice to be on sports teams, go to family night, skating on the pond and so on. Have some pity on those of us who where less fortunate than you.
And, no I wasnt a staff kid or from CofJ, Thank God for that... but was treated with more than a 'poke' from Dan O, or the true Priest of Satan; F squared....

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Speak for yourself Jason. I was not " up" before I got to GCC. I was sent there because my parents were going through a messy divorce and it was considered that it would be best if I wasn't around for that particular drama.

I agree with badkid--we were punished for our "bad attitudes" a very nebulous term to say the least. We were punished for thought crimes. I was put on a very heavy discipline for several days because I refused to say that I thought people who had pre-marital sex or homosexual relations were going to "burn in Hell". You shouldn't be yanked out of classes, deprived of sleep and shunned for having the guts to tell the truth about believing something different than they did.

I had a light session and was put on a short period of D once after I saw Farnsworth waiting in front of the dining room greeting all the students as they came in. I ducked out to the bathroom before going into dinner to avoid receiving one of his patented heavy cuddles. I was not late for dinner but he stood me up and told me I'd disrespected him and once again had "a bad attitude".

Does anyone remember the night all the boys were woken in the wee hours of the morning and forced to run around the track wearing only shorts and t-shirts in the middle of winter when the snow drifts were several feet deep? I believe they were being punished for "a bad attitude" but I'd like to hear from someone who actually had to do it what the "reasoning" behind it was. I put that word in quotes because there doesn't seem to be much reason involved in it at all.
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Speak for yourself Jason. I was not " up" before I got to GCC. I was sent there because my parents were going through a messy divorce and it was considered that it would be best if I wasn't around for that particular drama.

I agree with badkid--we were punished for our "bad attitudes" a very nebulous term to say the least. We were punished for thought crimes. I was put on a very heavy discipline for several days because I refused to say that I thought people who had pre-marital sex or homosexual relations were going to "burn in Hell". You shouldn't be yanked out of classes, deprived of sleep and shunned for having the guts to tell the truth about believing something different than they did.

I had a light session and was put on a short period of D once after I saw Farnsworth waiting in front of the dining room greeting all the students as they came in. I ducked out to the bathroom before going into dinner to avoid receiving one of his patented heavy cuddles. I was not late for dinner but he stood me up and told me I'd disrespected him and once again had "a bad attitude".

Does anyone remember the night all the boys were woken in the wee hours of the morning and forced to run around the track wearing only shorts and t-shirts in the middle of winter when the snow drifts were several feet deep? I believe they were being punished for "a bad attitude" but I'd like to hear from someone who actually had to do it what the "reasoning" behind it was. I put that word in quotes because there doesn't seem to be much reason involved in it at all.
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Speak for yourself Jason. I was not " up" before I got to GCC. I was sent there because my parents were going through a messy divorce and it was considered that it would be best if I wasn't around for that particular drama.

I agree with badkid--we were punished for our "bad attitudes" a very nebulous term to say the least. We were punished for thought crimes. I was put on a very heavy discipline for several days because I refused to say that I thought people who had pre-marital sex or homosexual relations were going to "burn in Hell". You shouldn't be yanked out of classes, deprived of sleep and shunned for having the guts to tell the truth about believing something different than they did.

I had a light session and was put on a short period of D once after I saw Farnsworth waiting in front of the dining room greeting all the students as they came in. I ducked out to the bathroom before going into dinner to avoid receiving one of his patented heavy cuddles. I was not late for dinner but he stood me up and told me I'd disrespected him and once again had "a bad attitude".

Does anyone remember the night all the boys were woken in the wee hours of the morning and forced to run around the track wearing only shorts and t-shirts in the middle of winter when the snow drifts were several feet deep? I believe they were being punished for "a bad attitude" but I'd like to hear from someone who actually had to do it what the "reasoning" behind it was. I put that word in quotes because there doesn't seem to be much reason involved in it at all.
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hobart_dishmachine
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 209.29.46.233
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Tom for stepping up for so many of us. It is inportant to many of us that some action is taken, and I as one of those 'negative' kids I would do anything to help start the healing. POS, I think you and I went to GCC at the same time, (Im not sure I was an inmate from 1983-1987) you really have to appreciate not all of us could 'play the game' as you did. Some of us were supervised most of the time, and some of us didnt have the choice to be on sports teams, go to family night, skating on the pond and so on. Have some pity on those of us who where less fortunate than you.
And, no I wasnt a staff kid or from CofJ, Thank God for that... but was treated with more than a 'poke' from Dan O, or the true Priest of Satan; F squared....

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sheilac
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.54.17.198
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't think that learning to "play the game" is anything someone should be proud of. Quite the opposite. The idea behind brainwashing is that if you can control the behaviour eventually you will control the individuals' mind also. Playing the game is allowing them to control your behaviour--the first step. Even if you don't think you are buying into it you are--they have you on the hook. Everyone who gets brainwashed initially believes they are playing the game. The idea of playing the game disgusts me. It disgusted me then and it disgusts me now. It involved lying about your beliefs and/or buying into the bullshit, betraying your friends and yourself...essentially becoming part of the collective rather than an individual.
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hobart_dishmachine
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 209.29.46.233
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sheilac I do remeber the boys having to wake up in the middle of the night, for the 'bad attitude' of a few of us. I was one of the 'worst children to every grace the grounds of GCC' and 'was solely responsible for bring down the school spirit' I have endured running around the track, but I dont think I was lucky enough to have company out there.... I do remeber the stars being the only happy thing out there those nights. Too bad everyone had to suffer for the 'thought crimes' of a few.
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bossman
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.64.223.204
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sheilac your views on playing the game are a little distorted. You went on "D" for sticking up for what you believed, who didn't. Betraying your friends and yourself what are you talking about? Give me a break lots played the game and were good at it.
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priest_of_satan
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.114.251.86
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 2:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Holy sheepsh*t I think I struck another nerve!!!
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priest_of_satan
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Post Number: 37
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 2:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Holy sheepsh*t I think I struck another nerve!!!
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priest_of_satan
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2007
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 2:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Holy sheepsh*t I think I struck another nerve!!! BTW - Sheila you have my contact info - if you really want to frown on me you can do it live.
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sheilac
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 76.66.72.144
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 7:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*Sarcasm on*. Congratulations to all that "played the game and were good at it." *Sarcasm off*

Btw, I never played the game--never betrayed myself or my friends. I happen to be proud of it.

Sounds like *I* struck a nerve.
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sheilac
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Post Number: 58
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Posted From: 76.66.72.144
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 8:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am aware that I was only there for a couple of years. It is quite possible,indeed probable, had I been there longer, I either would have been expelled or they would have got me "playing the game" too.
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dan_grant
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 142.59.68.139
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 8:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sheilac I would have been happy to welcome you to the ultra exclusive Expelled From GCC Members only club.
Hope to see you at the closing.
Dan
Expelled in 1983
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strength
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.70.18.125
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi; I had previously believed that the letter I received was a form letter. Today I was informed that it was not a form letter. I was confusing the word form in the subject heading as referring to a form letter, but I now understand that it was referring to the form by which the letter was sent. Sorry for any confusion or misperception this may have caused.
I now believe that the person who sent the letters to the two of us was actually trying to move things forward on our behalf, and they thought that the information needed (by both of us) was similar. So they sent similar letters, not a form letter.

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