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     tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.70.69.8 |
quiet_girl has brought it to my attention that FF was at her house this morning. She is currently out of town but her husband was home. He dropped a "card" in her mailbox asking her for prayers. It appeared to be very generic but there was a prayer on the back. Her husband did call FF and stated that he felt this was a form of intimidation and that he would not allow his wife to be revictimized again. FF stated that no he was truly looking to apologise "if" anything had happened under him he was truly sorry. quiet_girl had her husband call FF back and state that the only apology that she felt appropriate would be a true heartfelt public apology which would state clearly that the abuse did happen. She felt Gord Mintz' public dismissal of the "allegations" was a slap in the face to all who suffered. She also had her husband tell FF that this is his time to be a Christian and own up to the abuse. This is God's message to him that the time is now. God wants him to admit what he has done, and that the truth needs to come from him. She is asking that any and all who are approached to stress to him that this is God's will and that it is his time to be honest. quiet_girl had been concerned about the "if" in the aplogoy and had her husband call FF again. FF told her husband that he could not apologise for any of the abuse because he was not aware of any abuse and that if he had been aware he would have stopped it. any apology would be insincere and any apology would be a lie. As a christian man of the cloth he could not do that because it would be a lie. quiet_girl will be able to provide/clairfy more detail when she is back in town, tomorrow. I hope I posted everything that she wanted. (Message edited by tmw on September 01, 2007) | ||
| bettyboop Junior Member Username: bettyboop Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.133.87 |
tmw - this revelation is incredibly disturbing. quiet_grl: i'm so sorry you had to experience this. it's disgusting. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 148 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Oh My Gawd is all I can say to this! This is craziness.... "IF"?????? | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.19.144 |
Creepy! I'm certain that he has sought legal counsel. His lawyer is probably advising him to say "sorry *IF* anything happened". Carefully worded so as to provide a gesture of contrition without of course admitting any wrongdoing. Yet another cynical ploy on his part. The leopard hasn't changed his spots! | ||
| sorry_wrong_number New member Username: sorry_wrong_number Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.16.97 |
quiet_girl: I am so sorry that this happened to you. Kudos to your husband for his courage and words to FF. IF FF has sought out legal counsel I am sure they would have recommended that he stay low and not come in contact with anyone..weird that he should be soliciting prayers... All I can say is that the seat is about to get much warmer FF. | ||
| 87expellee New member Username: 87expellee Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.78.122.247 |
Where does FF live now? | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.19.144 |
For our own protection, if anyone does know where he lives, it should not be stated publicly. | ||
| dignityquest New member Username: dignityquest Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.155.9.42 |
A brief list of the things that "never happened" to me while FF was the leader - Beaten with a paddle 7 times until black from midback to mid legs while held down by 3 men (not FF, but he knew) - Paddled three times as a student for allegedly farting in accounting class - removed me from a wedding party and replaced me with one of his sons because it was "God's will" - Twice seperated my Mother and I for 6 mos., not even being able to look at eachother in the hall - Repeatedly told me things like : "you are a disgrace", and "8 year olds are more useful than you" (in my 20's) - Removed me from my music and teaching because "I was out of Jesus and needed to be humbled" I know I'm sticking myself out, but I have never forgotten and this is just a few very specific incidents, to say nothing of th 13 yrs of pychological trauma caused be trying to "bring me into Jesus" I have always been told that FF was very sorry for what he had done. I guess that was only true until he might actually have to pay for what he did. In no way do I blame all of it on him, it was a group effort. Also, I was an adult and should have stopped it or left years before. Also, though others confronted him after they left, I never did. I just felt I needed to put these thing on the record. I'm amazed after all the therapy and 21 years gone by, this is still so raw for me. Also shocked by the Recorder and Times revelation. I'm on my way to see my Mother who is still living there. Wish me luck!! DQ | ||
| tabby1979 Junior Member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
Hi Dignity - good luck with your visit and seeing your Mother. Hope all goes well with the visit. I am always horrified at the things I have read here and I really don't have a response except rage inside because I was there in the late 70's and I know it went on... the day long light sessions in the old chapel with students standing in front of the whole school being yelled and screamed and humiliated...it was awful...I know because I was one of the many students chewed out by the Haigs or the Farnsworths for whatever (and it did not have to be much).... I can't even remember it was too traumatic for me because it seemed to happen all the time, if it wasn't you, it was someone else on the hot seat. Also, can someone shed some light on something that has been bothering me...was some of the marriages amongst young staff members arranged? I heard rumours a long time ago about these arranged marriages or you were set up with someone you had to date?? | ||
| tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.112.147 |
arranged.....I'm not so sure...some former staff could answer that better than me Strongly urged/suggested, yes...I know of one for fact. It happened to at least one person during my tenure at GCC and the person confided in my friend. My friend was her roommate in the dorm at the time. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Am doing some research on that particular question right now tabby... And TMW is correct about strongly urged and suggested. They did have to ask permission to date and marry... and it could be denied. If I am not mistaken I am familiar with the person of whom TMW is speaking (well the story anyway) and this person was told that no they could not date the person they were attracted to.....BECAUSE they actually loved one another too deeply and they would be soft on one another.... and it was then set up that this person had to marry another staff. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 150 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Tabby, I remember you.... you were graduating when I was in grade 7. i saw your pic in the yr book today and you have not changed much... The years have been kind to you.... | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.166.19.25 |
Holy ••••! He is such a lying piece of work. Okay, so IF he really is ready to apologize, I'm ••••••• waiting for my phone CALL!!! Years ago I attempted to meet with that son of a ••••• and he REFUSED!!! If anyone wants to refute that, they can talk to BOTH Joan C and B. Bayles Sr. Much egg on the face of GCC for that - SO, CHARLES, if you are truly sorry, contact B. Bayles Sr., he still knows how to reach me, and take it like a man! I want to write this whole message in CAPS - because if I were there I would truly be YELLING!! What a piece of work - he knows EXACTLY who to call if he needs to apologize!!! I'll of course let you all know if my phone rings. And he'd better hope my Dad doesn't get a hold of him - he put our family through the wringer - and as a clan we are LESS THAN PLEASED. Bring it on CF - I don't think you have the balls to take us all on. PROVE ME WRONG. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.166.19.25 |
um. okay, so i might be a little upset. sigh. | ||
| tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.112.147 |
roz roz roz.... he can't apologise, because he didn't do anything wrong. Had he knaown about the abuse (if the abuse realllly happened), then he would have stopped it. He is a man of the cloth after all, and we alllllll know that men of the cloth are infallible. If he were to apologise, it would be a lie, and we allll know that FF doesn't lie, don't we? Excuse me, I need to go toss my cookies in the bushes now. | ||
| tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 38 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.112.147 |
breaker_19_girl when were you at GCC again??? You have pegged the story but I don't recall you being at GCC when I was there. Makes me think there was more than one story with the same tone. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 151 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Hi tmw, I likely was long gone by your arrival.... left in 84. I researched a bit about marriages at GCC... and I believe the same person who told you that story told it to me. Then, I went searching for confirmation. When, i heard GCC was closing... I opened a facebook account... (or whatever it is called)and I found the GCC page on facebook, and was impressed with something a young woman had written and I e-mailed her. We connected and talked a bit via E-mail. And, she is actually the girl who directed me to this forum. Anyway, one day I asked her if she thought the marriages had been arranged and she told me the story. I then went on a fact finding mission. So, yeah we are likely on the same story.... e-mail me if you want to stop talking in circles... just tell me in there somewhere you are tmw. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 152 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Roz, It's all good and no danger... You can be angry and vent... we are here for you and to support you. Liane | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 153 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
tmw, this might help lianeross@porchlight.ca | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.132.173.95 |
i am wrong i am wrong no matter what i say or do i will always be wrong  | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 154 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Stop that.... even if you are kidding... Silly rozenglishprice | ||
| tabby1979 Junior Member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
Hi Breaker - yeah the years have been good to me lol...guess it is in my genes. Yes I do remember you. Was the yearbook blue? I think that was the first year book we had under the name Grenville if I am not mistaken. I thought there may have been some kind of control on the staff relationships there, as far as dating etc. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.130.15.11 |
<laugh> i WAS just kidding. just seemed funny to me when i thought of it. although, i did have this half-serious thought of driving up there and simply tailing him all over town, taking back all his cards, and dropping them off at his house. see how HE likes living in a fishbowl... | ||
| hoperules Junior Member Username: hoperules Post Number: 39 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 72.136.252.197 |
Roz , good for you. I love it. C | ||
| wagener84 Member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 55 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Yes..there was control over which staff kids were allowed to date and which were not. FF also had to approve which couples were allowed to have children. | ||
| quietgrl New member Username: quietgrl Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.102.190 |
Just got back... I have yet to speak to my husband about the card thing... he is at work... but what is your take... Do you believe in coincidences? I spoke to my neighbor and he also got a card... so... it could be like FF said... that he just does this ... saving souls and the like... on my street... yesterday.... of all days... but... I can't get my head around why he would be doing that yesterday... with all that is going on in the press...ie ...his entire career being called into question... nationally... and it is an incredible coincidence that he was doing it on my street.... ie the day that the story breaks re the attempt to break the story in the 80's ...and my involvement in part with that... (and he knew I was involved... I was banned from campus... (smile... that was actually nice...) and mr. o threatened me... I don't know what I believe about coincidences... some say there is no such thing... if that is true.... what has come from the coincidence of this card ending up in my mailbox... delived by the man himself??... for me anyway...some more truths... ie. The "I'm sorry IF" BS... ( he sat in on my first little 3 on one session ...) and well... you know... I don't even need to tell any of you the stories...ie... he was there when this or that happened... we all know how insane that statement is... One part of me has always held in my mind ...that he at least believed what he was doing was right... I had hoped when my husband spoke to him... that seeing the response from the public... and reading the stories of those that were hurt... ( and I am sure that he is reading this...) he would see the errors in his way and come clean... allow some healing to happen... apologize for that which was abusive... BE TRUTHFUL and trust in god that truth is always the better path... but... he is showing me his true self now... he knew what went on... we know that...we know what went on and while verification from an abuser can be helpful.... I don't need him to tell me what the truth is... He is showing me that he is a pathetic coward.... a true leader and a true person of the cloth... would tell the truth... would help those that they harmed... "would repent their sins...rather than perish under the wrath of our maker" (the last part... I took that from the card he put in my door... I do not believe in the christian hell.... another post... another day...) Ok... I still have to chat with my husband ... I will post the full details when he gets off work... I will also post what FF has on his card.... for those that are interested... | ||
| quietgrl New member Username: quietgrl Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.102.190 |
Here is what is on his card: Front of the card: Reverend Charles R. Farnsworth Anglican God suffered severely so that we who love and follow him would ot suffer eternally (then the word over with an arrow... and the word over is underlined in red.) Back of Card: A VERY SUCCESSFUL person in our world and on our planet can make big gains and yet be only a blip on the screen of time, missing the entire program of life, which really is eternal. Whether he is preacher, president, physician, or philanthropist, he could be an eternal loser of the saddest sort. Also an unsuccessful or poor person can actually have our creator's presence and help both in time, and for all eternity be the honored son or glorious daughter of almighty God. All this can be yours and mine by our repenting of our sins and sinful nature and by declaring our love and gratitude to our Heavenly Father for giving his only son, Jesus. Jesus gave his own life to make us eternal children of God with himself rather than perish under the wrath of our maker. (note: eternal children of God with himself...is underlined in red) PLEASE FEEL FREE to call for prayers. Signed by CF and he gives his phone number... (which I will not post here...) (there is also an over with an arrow at the bottom of the card... directing you to the front...) | ||
| staff_kid_survivor New member Username: staff_kid_survivor Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.230.42.74 |
This is all so disturbing. It sounds like FF has lost his marbles. Of course, after reading about this last night - I had a nightmare that I was in a parking lot late at night and FF approached me out of the darkness with his prayer cards.....LOL. I just can't seem to stop dreaming about this stuff! | ||
| strength New member Username: strength Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.116.209 |
Folks; He's gone mad. He could be dangerous. At very least he's being totally inappropriate. He's an Anglican Priest. Write to the Bishop of Ontario, and ask the authorities to take some responsibility for him. email: gbruce@ontario.anglican.ca (Bishop of Ontario) | ||
| quietgrl New member Username: quietgrl Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.102.190 |
Sorry ... staff kid survivor... I did not want to worry anyone... I still don't know what to think... beginning to stack it up to a bizarre coincidence... have decided I can't figure out crazy... so why try... But ... it is still good info anyone local...ie... he is not hiding... Great idea strength... | ||
| tabby1979 Junior Member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
Hi quietgrl - my take on the handing out of cards is to see how people would react to him, it has nothing to do with prayers, it has to do with what people are thinking of him outside the school boundaries to see if he sees reactions in people (i.e. getting support or not getting support). He is getting boxed in and he knows it...he's desperate in my opinion. As far as what it says on the card, well that just blew me away...it is very very disturbing and how many anglican priests do you see today going door to door asking people if they need prayers??? He is out to lunch and yes I think he has lost it. | ||
| quietgrl New member Username: quietgrl Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.102.190 |
I just got back from being out of town... but I checked the local paper and the gcc thing is not there... ( I thought it would be...) I don't know how many locals read the globe... most read just the rip and tear.... I think he is maybe doing a blitz...of the locals .... desperate times call for desperate measures... (Again... my area of town is not posh... very mixed community...) not going to figure it out... just going to report what my husband tells me... he is still working... I don;t want him to tell me bits and pieces so... I am waiting for a sit down with him tomorrow... I have to say though... I am very pleased with the way he (my husband) stood up for me... and I am glad to hear the responses FF gave him... shines some light on things... I feel some relief that my husband let him know that my treatment was not ok... I feel like... this is all helping put the past to rest.... so... if a coincidence... good came of it for me... if not... truths came out about him.... Karma has a way of setting things right... smile... | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 157 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
I am agreeing with Tabby, and Staff kid, and quiet girl... all of it is amazing... Freaky freaky though.... | ||
| jes_noonan Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 98 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.104.186.5 |
quietgrl: my initial reaction to your story was one of rage. Absolute, blind rage. I am literally lacking the ability to even understand where the man may be coming from. FF to me is the devil. Point blank. I hope he reads this and I hope his kids read this. Payback's a •••••. Please come to my house and ask me to pray for you....please.... Jesse Noonan if you need my address, e-mail me at jes_noonan@hotmail.com | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.99 |
Oh I think I understand where he is coming from. My take on it is that he is attempting to get inside our heads by once again threatening us with eternal damnation. The idea is that you can either "repent" by having him pray for you and be an eternal child of God with Jesus or "perish under the wrath" of God. It's his little fire and brimstone revenge fantasy and to me the whole thing fairly reeks of the Farnsworth I remember. You know, believe it or not, I was almost beginning to feel sorry for the little weasel and then I hear this and I'm reminded of just what a wicked, unrepentant old devil he truly is. Btw, this robbed me of my sleep tonight as well. It brings back alot of terrible memories of his threatening behaviour. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 77 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.165.78.215 |
glad to see it wasn't just me. another night with almost no sleep. i'll be a zombie by closing... | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 42 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.99 |
And obviously I was dead wrong when I said he was doing this under the advice of a lawyer. It was a very stupid move on his part. | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.99 |
Yes me too. I didn't sleep a wink. He'll probably be happy to hear that and think to himself "there's no rest for the wicked yadda yadda" but there it is. | ||
| tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 39 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.48.54.165 |
Me three....tossed and turned all night. I think Sheila is right. I really do not think this was a coincident. He's doing what he does best, trying to intimidate and threaten us all with damnation. "If" he has been reading this site, he knew his prayer card would be posted. He probably thought that if we heard he was on the prowl that we would become intimidated and try to stop the presses....pfffft..not frickin likely padre. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 78 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.165.78.215 |
in my gut, i truly believe that he has gone off the deep end. i think it translates itself in that he craves attention and at this point is grasping for anything he can get. when he left gcc, i heard he went to work at a youth center - the man survives on energy from other people. it's the only way i can think to express it. i have a feeling that the card thing is a direct result of the stories in the paper. think about it - gcc getting all this press, did a reporter go to his house? if not, i bet that just roasted him. he's a sick man, completely delusional, and believes that he is 'called' to save people. there's no excuse for him, yet i worry that he has not been diagnosed with some mental illness. then again, it's probably the reason they stayed in brockville - he has more contacts there... | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 44 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.18.8 |
He thrives on dominating and intimidating the vulnerable. I once had a dream that he was a vampire come to suck my blood (so yes I understand what you mean about him surviving on the energy of other people, Roz). In my opinion, he has always been waaay off the deep end. To me this isn't any crazier than what he used to get up to. | ||
| bluesman Junior Member Username: bluesman Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.79.247 |
I don't think you should ascribe more intelligence and planning to the man than he has. He's been passing out this particular card for months in Brockville, long before the factnet explosion. I am sure this triggers fears everyone had as students. My take is that he has to have a "congregation" of people to preach to/at, even if it means going door to door to get them! | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.18.8 |
Are you serious? He just goes and passes that card around? How very-- um *quaint* of him. Lol. Well thanks for that laugh, Bluesman, I needed it. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 158 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Agreeing here that he is not a well man.. In a way, I feel sorry for him. What a nightmare to be that sick. What I think is someone should grab him and get him off the streets before he does more dammage. Next thing you know he will be standing at the mall doing his evangelical Snake Oil routine at the Brockville Mall. I have to be honest and say I think he ended up on quiet girls street by accident, what he is doing is not accident. Indeed....frightening and a wee bit interesting! | ||
| spain New member Username: spain Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.204.218.39 |
FF is completely computer-illiterate - doesn't own one, doesn't know how to use one. So - I'm sure he's NOT reading this stuff at all and I can't imagine anyone is telling him about it; I doubt his sons would.... but who knows. I think he's slipped back into his old Southern Baptist routine. | ||
| bluesman Junior Member Username: bluesman Post Number: 29 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.79.247 |
Actually, breaker_19_girl, FF has been doing his bit at the Brockville Mall for years now. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 161 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
That is just toooooo Damn Bad .... I wished he could see it..... Awe... Way to go... ruin my day Spain.... Thats it your off the Christmas card list!...Kidding... | ||
| strength New member Username: strength Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.117.18 |
It doesn't matter that he's been handing out the card for months. What matters is that he is completely oblivious to the pain he HAS caused, and IS causing now. Even the articles in the paper have not moved him! He just keeps on keeping on, no matter what. No remorse or change in behavior, despite national media condemnation. That is incredible, and to me, shows a dangerously egotistical mind. Also, this is a delicate and stressful time for us. Everything is pouring out, and there will be more to come. Father Farnsworth's tactics, (whether they are new or not) re-victimize people. The Anglican Bishop, (and perhaps the police) should be contacted. | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 46 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.129 |
Next time we see him he'll be out on the street, all dishevelled, wearing a sandwich board that says "The End is Nigh" and screaming "REPENT, REPENT"  | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 163 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
hahahahaha Sheila, That is not christian like...but funny! | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 47 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.129 |
I actually don't think he is on a mission to to "save" souls. I'd have more respect and sympathy for him if I thought that. Granted he's convinced himself he is on a mission for God but the mission is not to save us but to condemn us all. He wants to be able to look down from Heaven and waggle his finger at those outside the Gates and say "I told you so" with that familiar gleam of self-righteous indignation in his eye. As I said earlier, his little fire and brimstone revenge fantasy. | ||
| sheilac Junior Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.129 |
Now I'm just waiting for Bluesman to say "Well actually, Sheila, FF has been doing his bit with the sandwich board for years now." | ||
| tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.49.85.240 |
LOL Sheila......you really crack me up sometimes I am just picturing him wandering around court house square now where the fountain is LOL | ||
| kathleen_millar New member Username: kathleen_millar Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 70.66.197.66 |
A few years ago - 2003? - I contacted Don Farnsworth because I remember liking and trusting him. I don't remember what the reason was that I contacted him....just ready to face the GCC memories I guess. He gave me his Father's phone number but I never called. What he did say was that his parents were aware that they had hurt people and they were sorry. Why am I seeing such a different story now I wonder? Kath | ||
| sheilac Member Username: sheilac Post Number: 51 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.54.16.129 |
Glad I could provide a little levity, guys  . | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 167 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
When he does Sheila, take him off the X-mas card list! | ||
| dream_truth Junior Member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 48 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
FF wants prayers? Here's a prayer for him. I pray for truth. The truth of all he has done to be revealed. Peace. | ||
| grenvillan88 New member Username: grenvillan88 Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.99.246.147 |
FF should be hung on that upside down cross from those damned Christmas cards in the 80's. He and his spawn isn't attending "the last supper" at GCC {or just not listed possibly in the style of the powerful (in their minds of course)} Isn't FF a southern folk from Texas? He know his history of the KKK and I wont be surprised if his ancestors and kinfolk is tied to the KKK, yee-ha! GCC must be a loser organisation if you have to stack the Board of Governance with your staff. This alone makes me laugh at how power hungry or perhaps desperate they have been. Damned beggars! Get a blasted windshield in Toronto to clean! STUPID STUPID STUPID or perhaps I should pity them? Fat Chance | ||
| himalayan New member Username: himalayan Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.52.59.60 |
I was told that he was from Georgia | ||
| tabby1979 Junior Member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 46 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
I was under the impression he was from Texas originally. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Intermediate Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 184 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.77.179 |
Me thinks Mrs. F is from Georgia | ||
| grenvillan88 Junior Member Username: grenvillan88 Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.99.246.147 |
Its all about their kinfolk and destroying the soul of people like the KKK did. yee-haw! I don't feel sorry for Americans trying to dodge serving in their army, after all how many draft dodgers at GCC have affected us. | ||
| jes_noonan Intermediate Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 104 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.204 |
strength: could you please contact me at my private e-maill addy -> jes_noonan@hotmail.com Nothing bad, but I need to ask you a question. Thanks | ||
| pax1 New member Username: pax1 Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 74.99.3.182 |
I would strongly encourage people on this board to give FF a chance - for your own sakes more than his. I can understand that this might be extremely difficult, but it may be a big key to inner peace. As the leadership was changing at GCC in the late 90s, Joan Childs facilitated meetings in which staff could "confront" FF privately. One of my family members brought at least one serious accusation to his attention, which he denied. Joan confirmed to him that that was something that he would have done. From this experience, my family member's assessment was that he/she thought he was literally crazy. However, in the past year or two, my family members (who were some of the "lowest", most abused in the community) have arrived at a certain degree of reconciliation with him. Knowing many of their pains, I have been surprised at their level of contact with him (or at least their willingness). He has become much more "mild" (for lack of a better word), even broken. A major breakthrough came when they met him accidently after or during a period when he was going through a debilitating medical ordeal. He realized that he had wronged them, although he was not quite sure what he had done to them in particular. He offered a heart-felt apology, and I'm quite sure that my family's forgiveness has been important in their long, arduous road to healing. | ||
| survivor1101 New member Username: survivor1101 Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 76.65.199.38 |
Kathleen and Sheila, can you email me? marion.morton@gmail.com shh my name is a seekrit. One thing, not at ALL in support of FF maybe though to shed a light on his behavior. Sometimes looking at the pain you caused is too big a job, especially when you are convinced that you started off meaning to do good. Perhaps, in order to remain slightly sane, and for his own egos safety, FF is not looking at the truth. One second in his shoes. I hope I am never there. One quick memory too, I remember Mrs. F, in a 'light session' telling Penina C that "I believe you have the devil in you." Now if you know PC... you know that is the farthest thing from believable ever. They are sick sick people. | ||
| tabby1979 Junior Member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 50 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 207.216.241.43 |
Hi Pax1 - People were affected by FF and his staff under his control. Students left the school 20+ years ago with alot of scars to carry. Some have worked through this and some are still in the process of healing, but to say give him a chance because he has gone through his own pain and medical ordeal? He is still in denial. | ||
| cryfreedom Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
PAX1---I too know that staff were able to confront FF years ago(and I was even offered to do this----I declined the offer). But I know that often he either denied it or said :"well, if that happened, I am sorry." Saying "if that happened is like saying "are you really sure that happened, because I sure don't remember it." YES, he is in denial. And maybe so much •••• has happened and he doesn't remember it, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I for one am disgusted with the inanppropriate way he was with so many of the students(during confession or other times) and I can not bring myself to even look at the man right now. pax1-----I am glad you have a forgiving heart and that your parents were able to have some kind of reconcilation. But others are still tormented by the pain he caused them. Pax1 ----what is your name------you can post it here, you know!! Take care----Dawn | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.164.76.180 |
pax1 - I tried to speak with FF years ago while up at GCC for a wedding. He was so available - right up until I informed him that I would want another clergy (of my choice) present. Not only did he refuse to speak with me if not done just the two of us, for the entire visit there he literally hounded me - finding out where I was and calling me. Sending staff to find me with a message to call him. Trying to corner me in different situations. All in an effort to impose HIS will on me. He even tried to corner me into a private conversation at the wedding reception for pete's sake. We never did meet. I didn't back down for wanting to be safe. He wouldn't back down to being wrong in front of anyone. now let me put it this way: Jesus himself was willing to experience pain in order to bring healing. Why is it that excuses/explanations are allowed to let FF off that hook? He actually HURT people. How is it that he is ABOVE GOD? | ||
| quietgrl New member Username: quietgrl Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.102.190 |
I do not think he has forgotten at all... does not want to admit it... yes... but forgotten ...no... Bluesman is right... I have been asking others about the cards... and apparently ...he has been seen giving them out to people outside the Dollar Store... Roz: your wedding story reminded me of when it became known that I was going to leave the school... I knew in January but my family did not tell the school until May... FF had me up to his office... wanting to know what he could do to make me stay... I told him there was nothing he could do... I had made up my mind... that was it.... He then tried with my mother... she describes him as " dancing" while asking her "what can I do to change your mind? what can I do? Tell me... Tell Me..." She said the same as I did... nothing... chance was blown a long time before... ( My mother defended me often there... I remember seeing her drive up the driveway and marching up the steps... smile... it stopped me from going on d... but did not stop the 3-4 on 1 sessions... ) He was nice to me for a few more days and then... I got nailed for a relationship that I had been having .... 2-3 hours with Miss J and another... wanting confessions ... you all know the drill...... I figured that they had given up trying to be nice... That summer... a friend of mine stayed at the school.... she called me numerous times... begging me to return... she told me that FF had told her it was "God's will" that I return to the school and that it was her job to get me to return... Over the series of desperate phone calls... she tried to bribe me saying that FF wanted me to be a "leader or a prefect" if I returned...( like I wanted to be that... wow) that I "was needed at the school"....blah blah blah... he put a terrible pressure on her... she was in tears everytime she called... ( my interpretation is that I think he knew he blew it with me... my family was local ... and I was not afraid to tell anyone who would listen my story... ie... I might have potential to affect their enrollment ...) The man was persistent... I felt terrible for my friend... She eventually broke down that summer... she asked me to come and visit... so I did... with another friend of hers / former student... we sat for 2 hours with her and a staff member drinking Lemonaide ... while my friend told us how much she had changed... was no longer rebellious and willful.... how she had finally had found god... and knew how much she had sinned... etc... then the staff member left to go to the washroom... At that moment...my friend lunged across the table at me and grabbed my arm... she looked me straight in the eyes and said... "get me the F$@% out of here! I am going crazy.. they never leave me alone... I can't take it anymore..." Well to make a long story short... my friend and I got her out... ( a day or so later...) I remember driving up to the dorm... and picking her up... we drove off with out saying a word to the staff that were standing with her... ( there is more to this story but... the info is not mine to tell... ) Note: If my friend recognizes this story... let me know some how... via here.. I would love to speak to you again... I have missed you and can not think of GCC without thinking of you... | ||
| badkid New member Username: badkid Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 209.53.125.89 |
Hi erveryone, fresh poster. I wish you people all the power you deserve, and found this thread enlightening for sure. No doubt FF is shakin in his boots, or should be, trouble is with people like that, as you have shared in your truths, may never get it. I would love to be there on the 29th but being out west I will have to allow you guys to speak for me. I certainly feel more comfortable with you guys doing it than rjc. What the hell did he know about getting the shaft anyway. Getting in trouble for a kitchen raid is not the same as being humiliated for love, or music, or beleifs. I was at gcc from 84-87 never a prefect, go figure hi survivor, hows your bro? all the power to you | ||
| pax1 New member Username: pax1 Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 74.99.3.182 |
Tabby - There's no need for you to explain the workings of "FF and his staff under his control" or the scars left on people. I was a staff kid in the 80s and 90s. I in no way implied that people should "give him a chance because he has gone through his own pain and medical ordeal." I was trying to explain that his 'brush with death' seems to have broken him somewhat and he's become more conciliatory. He has certainly reached out to my family. That being said, I certainly don't think that he should be let off the hook! There are no good excuses in this case. | ||
| tabby1979 Member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 51 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
I apologize if I misinterpreted your posting pax1. In my opinion, this man gets no second chances for the harm he has done against innocent children that attended the school. | ||
| wrowe New member Username: wrowe Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 69.55.41.190 |
Wow, your attacks on Fr. Farnsworth are similiar to my feelings of religion in general. I don't think any of you dislike or hate FF - you are disliking religion. I have had my share of bad experiences directly from family members trying to tell me they are Christians. Christians, those that have accepted Jesus into their hearts and want to follow his ways. Well, unfortunately my family forgot the part that says - Care for the poor, Help those that need it... I was in dire needs, homeless after being ordered out of the house by the courts... I lived with my Aunt and Uncle for awhile until they decided - we have friends coming you need to leave. I told me dad I would need to move in with him for awhile... I was again told that I couldn't stay long as he had friends coming over. I think you need to direct your approach against religion in general not FF. Maybe the entire discussion is not how bad Grenville was - but each individuals realization that except for a personal committment to believe God / Jesus - religion as a whole is controlling. Before, you suggest I am wrong - think about it check out any religious group. Check out your church if you attend one... I won't be anymore specific than that - religion is control... and filled with hippo-crites. Wayne Rowe Grad 1981 wrowe@ruggedwest.com | ||
| purgatory Junior Member Username: purgatory Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.50.76.66 |
Wayne, Once again you seem to be way off base.Have you taken the the time to truly listen to what people are saying?? I have never said I am against religion, but I am against people who corrupt in the name of relgion. FF is a perfect example of someone who used his authority hid behind the collar and reaked havoc on many lives. All in the name of religion.!!! I myself value dearly the teachings of Christ, and many other founders of the world's great religions, however I am discouraged by the many people throughout history who have abused their power in the name of religion. You seem to feel you can continue to tell people on this forum what we should be doing, and what not to be doing. Please don't tell me I need to direct my approach to all religion-this is not your choice to make. I will direct my concerns to those who have tarnished the teachings of great religion. I will not be so simple minded to discredit an entire religion, because of a few who have done wrong in the name of ....To correct youor at least speak for my self I do dislike FF-not religion. Catherine Goss Forsythe | ||
| himalayan New member Username: himalayan Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.52.59.60 |
Wayne, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| mike_irvine Junior Member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.161.37 |
wayne, either you haven't really read what people here have written or you are just an idiot. i think it's probably a bit of the former and A LOT of the latter. well done! | ||
| bossman Member Username: bossman Post Number: 57 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.32.208.232 |
Wayne, your views are just that, your views. I have a problem with F2 due to the fact he treated so many badly and did it using his twisted religous values. How long did you spend at the school anyway? | ||
| cpv New member Username: cpv Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 24.226.63.128 |
hi bossman send me an email. I would like to speak with you. couchpotatoe5@hotmail.com cheers chris v 87-89 | ||
| wrowe New member Username: wrowe Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 69.55.41.190 |
I am trying to understand this lunacy but really what I am seeing is adults complaining to adults who in return complain... I don't see any healing. I was at Grenville from 79 - 81. |
