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     worriedmom1276 New member Username: worriedmom1276 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 167.102.134.1 |
I think we need to explore what the children are being taught at GGCA. I had concerns five years ago when Mrs. Medeiros had my son's 4th grade class pray to God to kill enemies overseas. Pastor Baker was no help when I approached him about concerns. Right after the teacher maliciously went after my son and ridiculed him on more than one occasion. He was moved to another class but it seems that when I went to Pastor Baker and his wife their response was to blame my son and defend the hatred of this teacher. My son's self-esteem suffered greatly and I had to put him in therapy. I went to Pastor Paul for help and he and Pastor Baker had already discussed me and was given each other looks across the room. When Pastor Baker was caught in a couple of lies he went ballistic and started yelling. I have never seen him like this. Pastor Paul had to calm him. I wish this board was available to me when me and my son was going through stress at GGCA. I felt alone and helpless. I left the church at the end of the school year and have not returned. | ||
| ericlaw New member Username: ericlaw Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 192.44.136.113 |
I am very sorry to hear this. How is your son now? | ||
| louise_connolly New member Username: louise_connolly Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.174.137.27 |
Children are resilient. Way more than their parents. The important thing is your family and you have left that awful place. There is a lot of debris to sift through on this board but it is worthwhile if it helps you understand the reality of what a cult GGWO is. The folks who ran it were opportunists who fled when their opportunities began to dry up. The sad thing is the Bakers are now in Florida reeling in a new bunch of suckers without skipping a beat. Someone posted the web link of their Florida school somewhere on factnet. Imagine spending most of you entire life promoting a cult that masks itself as Christianity then leaving the cult and continuing in a similar vein and actually believing you have something healthy to offer mankind. These folks learned there is good money to be had by reeling in Christians. It has very little to do with the Spirit of Christ and everything to do with exploiting Christ for your own purpose. They worshipped at the feet of Carl for decades and he has trained them all well. | ||
| dancer Intermediate Member Username: dancer Post Number: 192 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.211.238 |
My kids are there. I won't start preaching. Its not fair to them. As far as the Bakers go its a double edge sword. Why did they leave? | ||
| whatsup Junior Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.61.30.105 |
GGCA was just another example of how GG closed its eyes to any problems. When confronted with a legitimate school problem, Pastor Baker's MO was to smile, pat your back and humor you into thinking it would be taken care of, or that it was not even a big deal. If you approached him again when it was not dealt with, he would say something like "Do you have a praise report for me today?"....implying that you were unspiritual or negative for bringing up a problem. The only way you would be taken seriously is if you took your children out of the school and they would lose tuition $$$. I did just that, and it was one of the best decisions of my life. Take heart, worriedmom1276....they are the ones with the problem, and you are far from alone or helpless. I don't know who is running GGCA today, but somehow I don't think it is much different than it was. | ||
| dancer2 Junior Member Username: dancer2 Post Number: 45 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 62.248.146.27 |
Just out of curiosity, and for the record: 1. Who here besides Laura, the "founding father" dude and myself has actually attended SMCS/SCS/GGCA for more than a third of their primary and secondary education (or even all of their high school education)? 2. Approximately how many children have been through these school systems in the past 30 years? 3. Approximately how many of these young people went on to voluntarily attend SSB/MBCS? 4. What sort of sort of socio-economic profiles can be constructed for the graduates of this system in general? 5. Is there any evidence of quality control in terms of teachers' subject competence and monitoring of, e.g., student performance in PSATs/SATs there in the past 10 years? (There never was in my day.) 6. How many GGWO/IAGM pastors are in this respect "home grown": having risen through the team's own farm system? IOW, have any kids who grew up in this system actually become leaders there? 7. What sort of percentage of SMCS/SCS/GGCA graduates are still members of GGWO/IAGM, etc.? What sort of percentage are still professing to be "Born-again Christians"? These are important questions in terms of addressing the OP here. Opinions, both for and against the institution in question, are like rectal orifaces... Has anyone actually analyzed the situation in concrete terms that would produce credible sociological evidence about the situation? IMHO someone should, but probably no one has yet. | ||
| lmao Junior Member Username: lmao Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.251.144.6 |
Dan Dunbar is the new principal of ggca. I am fairly certain he grew up in their system and attended their schools. He is the only person I know of who is in a remotely leadership position as school principal that grew up in tbs/gg schools. He does have a real masters degree but I am not sure what area of study it is in. I know of kids who have had very good SATs as well as some who are average. Some have gone on to real colleges, though most that I know of at least go to mbcs part time while attending Towson University or Community College of Baltimore County. All I know is anecdotal and I agree that it would be good to see some real statistical analysis of tbs/gg school students. | ||
| cordell Intermediate Member Username: cordell Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.124.124.36 |
...are like rectal orifaces... Has anyone actually analyzed the situation... ROTFLMAO!!!! | ||
| cordell Intermediate Member Username: cordell Post Number: 124 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.124.124.36 |
D2, I am positive that you are the man to ANAL-yze the situation! | ||
| dancer Intermediate Member Username: dancer Post Number: 193 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.211.238 |
Talking about kids, including mine. Be a little considerate. | ||
| dancer2 Junior Member Username: dancer2 Post Number: 46 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 213.214.155.64 |
Dan Dunbar was the valedictorian of my graduating class from SCS. He got a full scholarship to SSB, but I'm not sure he ever used it. I'm sort of surprised that there are NO pastors who came up through the system. (Can someone confirm that?) Cordell, the cheap freudian clichés about anal fixations might be appropriate in your case. Neil, in all sensitivity, the school may be the least of the problems your kids are facing. | ||
| bonniescott New member Username: bonniescott Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.60.183.196 |
D2, These are interesting questions. I've wondered about this for years: what really has become of all of those thousands of kids. There were 7 kids in my family who this applies to so I'll answer for the 7 of us. Don't know if we're a representitve sample but here goes: Approximately how many of these young people went on to voluntarily attend SSB/MBCS? 2 What sort of sort of socio-economic profiles can be constructed for the graduates of this system in general? Not a pretty picture here, I can't answer with exact numbers, but I am the only one with a college degree. IOW, have any kids who grew up in this system actually become leaders there? 0 What sort of percentage of SMCS/SCS/GGCA graduates are still members of GGWO/IAGM, etc.? 1 What sort of percentage are still professing to be "Born-again Christians"? 5 | ||
| worriedmom1276 New member Username: worriedmom1276 Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 167.102.134.1 |
Thank you, Ericlaw. He is doing extremely well at City College. He recently completed his first college course at BCCC (he just turned 15 years old) and have 3 credits. The first year after Greater Grace was difficult because of the stress. It was the first time my son's grade ever dropped below a B+. But he is doing great now. I am surprise and disappointed to hear that the Bakers are in Florida with another school. They seemed to enjoy the priveleges at GG. I wonder why they left. | ||
| dancer2 Junior Member Username: dancer2 Post Number: 48 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 62.248.146.27 |
Thanks for your interest, Bonniescott. To be as transparent as you were in reference to my own mother's 5 children: Approximately how many of these young people went on to voluntarily attend SSB/MBCS? just 1 (me) What sort of sort of socio-economic profiles can be constructed for the graduates of this system in general? 4 out of 5 of us now have degrees. All somewhere in the middle class. How many GGWO/IAGM pastors are in this respect "home grown": having risen through the team's own farm system? IOW, have any kids who grew up in this system actually become leaders there? None of us anyway. I often wondered if my failure to reach that status had something to do with the system not working that way for those who started as kids. AFAIK the only "beeker kid" ever to get ordained was Paul Stevens. What does that tell you? What sort of percentage of SMCS/SCS/GGCA graduates are still members of GGWO/IAGM, etc.? AFAIK 1 out of 5 (sort of) What sort of percentage are still professing to be "Born-again Christians"? Again, AFAIK either 3 or 4 out of 5 (only one dogmatic atheist among us; the others occasional church goers at least) But I don't think either of our families is representative of the thousands who've gone through the system -- or would it be that many? Average of over 30 per year for about 33 years now? Someone closer to the Maine-Maryland axis really should do a study on this. It was Gary Baril Jr. who was coordinating the SCHS reunion thing some years ago. They could start by asking him. Cheers, D2 | ||
| ericlaw New member Username: ericlaw Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 68.55.73.66 |
worriedmom, Good, I am glad to hear that he is doing well after being in GGWO. I hope your are doing well also. Simply, the Bakers were on the wrong side. They cast their lot with the reformers and lost. Once schaller set himself on the throne, he put all his backers and buddies in the prime positions. Look at Andrilonus (spelling) for Gods sake. The guy was a nobody, and nobody could have cared about him until schaller installed him in s position. Now he is an "amazing" pastor giving messages on brain patterns an reprogramming habits. schaller giveth and schaller taketh away. | ||
| sidethorn Member Username: sidethorn Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.191.65.166 |
Mom, I'm also very glad your son is doing much better and you're both out of GGWO. Hope you're okay also. What these people did to your son is disgusting and an abomination. Its so typical of GGWO's attitude towards anyone including children who challenge, disagree, or question the leadership or those appointed by that leadership. While I never attended GGCA, I was a youth worker for years in John Love's youth "ministry" which mirrors many of the same problems in GGCA. I've also seen how those who don't play the game and challenge GGWO's teaching and leadership are cruely alienated, slandered, shunned, isolated from friends and loved ones, and ultimately forced out. That goes for kids and adults alike. The whole system is based on conditional love, servitude to a selfish and unaccountable leadership, and a cruel clique system to force GGWO beliefs down peoples' throats. Those who kiss up to the leaders the most and act "cool" enough in their opinion get admitted to the cliques with the most status and influence. Those who don't go along are alienated and shoved aside. Those with the power and influence at GGWO feel like they can do whatever they want to the "unsubmitted ones" and have their actions covered up. GGWO loves to teach about covering and never repeating a matter. Why? To cover up for themselves and keep people from questioning them. This commanding of the 4th graders to pray for God to kill enemies is totally disgusting and contrary to the nature of Christ. Jesus didn't go around telling His apostles to go out and kill the Pharisees, tax collectors, Roman soldiers or others around Him. He didn't have His apostles ask Him to kill them either. Not at all!! Makes me wonder what else that teacher or others in GGWO would have wanted your son to pray for if he stayed. Very, very scary. Anyway, I'm glad you're out of GGWO and moving on. May God give you and your son more and more of His best and even better days ahead. God bless. SIDETHORN | ||
| cordell Intermediate Member Username: cordell Post Number: 125 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.124.124.36 |
D2 apparently you don't read your own drivel, YOU are the author of the references. But then I'm sure you can RECTify the situation. | ||
| dancer Intermediate Member Username: dancer Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.211.238 |
D2 email me please. neilpatrickcarrick@gmail.com I have something I like to share with you. Jim stop with the anal statements. Its bad enough dealing with the jokes about Senator Craig. Gays were making jokes from his speech. Like I am glad to have Gov. ...standing behind me today... | ||
| sonshine New member Username: sonshine Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 216.246.137.21 |
D2 Those are pretty interesting questions. Looking back at the 7+ years I was at SMCS and all the kids I knew I dare say only a handfull have done anything further with their lives and most have nothing to do with church today. I do know of one couple who went on to graduate from Balt. and he is a "pastor" now with the new regime up in this area. There are a few kids we both knew that are still active with the church in SB. It would be interesting to see the results of a survey to those Q's | ||
| cordell Intermediate Member Username: cordell Post Number: 126 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.124.124.36 |
You'll need to have D2 do a PROBE to get to the BOTTOM of things... | ||
| cordell Intermediate Member Username: cordell Post Number: 127 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.124.124.36 |
...just make sure your arguments are not "a POSTERIORI"... | ||
| shat_happens Junior Member Username: shat_happens Post Number: 35 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 72.228.98.159 |
Cordell, you mean getting to the bottom of things like this... http://liquidwaves.blogspot.com/2007/09/d2s-probegetting-to-bottom-of.html | ||
| dancer2 Junior Member Username: dancer2 Post Number: 49 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 80.186.155.118 |
Thanks for your input, Sonshine. Was the fellow you talk about who made it to the pastorate anyone I might know? Why don't you initiate such a survey? You're in a good geographical place to do it, you are in a fairly neutral political position on the subject, and you don't have to contend with the distraction of Cordell attempting to crawl up your a$$. | ||
| cordell Intermediate Member Username: cordell Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 71.40.2.121 |
D2 has to pull his head out, but then he still has a shitey (sp) outlook on life... |
