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the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Intermediate Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 333
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:27 am: | 
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My Second Fav pentecostal quote.
According to Benny Hinn, before the fall in the Garden of Eden, babies were removed from the woman’s side! Honest indians! On national tv, Benny Hinn explained that when Adam wanted a new son, he lifted Eve’s arm and removed the child from her side. After the fall, God re-designed Eve so she would have to suffer in childbirth.
See! And you called tv the boob tube! |
hardbones
New member
Username: hardbones
Post Number: 14
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 65.93.30.116
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 12:52 pm: |
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Well personally given the choice between some denominational church with a 20 min sermonette once a week practicing tea party christianity or the charismatic/pentecostal type church with the zaininess & craziness that too many of them are full of . . . I'll take the charismatic /pentecostal |
jeff_franklin
Intermediate Member
Username: jeff_franklin
Post Number: 458
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 67.9.9.73
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 1:29 pm: |
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Heretics like wofer Benny Hinn are very sly. They make minor stuff up just to see if people will bite. Once they do they increase their speculative non scriptural fantasies testing the waters some more. And if people aren't standing up and leaving in droves then the heresy gets deeper and deeper until the sheep will believe anything the false prophet says.
Copeland is notorious for this. All of the wofers are. Why do they do this? What is their motivation? To stand out in the crowd of pastors, draw attention to themselves. Make people believe that God gives them some special divine revelation and then the money rolls in. Money is all the Word of Faith heresy is all about. Same as all heretics. |
oneway
Intermediate Member
Username: oneway
Post Number: 290
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 69.30.157.124
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 1:53 pm: |
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"According to Benny Hinn, before the fall in the Garden of Eden, babies were
removed from the woman’s side!"
The thing with me is, I keep getting that guy mixed up with Benny Hill. They're both hilarious, except one is dead and the other one worships the dead, ie:Katherine Kuhlman. |
arron
Intermediate Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 252
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.206.202
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 2:20 pm: |
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i do not listen to benny hin nor kenneth copeland. i am holiness and i will never give up mu faith in holiness. sure we have had our share of fanatics, of people who got into it for fifthly lucas sake but holiness is the rigth way for me. and i will always go there |
xman3
Intermediate Member
Username: xman3
Post Number: 180
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 216.163.56.92
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 10:24 am: |
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I partly agree with you there Jeff. I think there is a subtlty to the message that does indeed at times do just what you say. I am not able to judge the motivation of the ministers, however. I do not think very many of the well know ministers mentioned such as Copeland or perhaps, even Benny Hinn are actually consciously motivated by self glory or money. Though I do not agree with many of the tactics and practices, especially in raising money, I believe that for the most part they are doing what they believe is the right thing for their ministry. I would say that many are deceived, but not all that different than ourselves in their desire to serve God.
I can't really name names too well though, because I honestly believe that God desires that where I am not sure, I believe the best. Of course, I don't have to buy into the stuff to believe the best in their motivation. I just believe we (me) must be very careful in judging the heart, which we almost always have no special insight into in regards to others.
My wife always mixes up Benny Hinn and Benny Hill also. It does make for a ready made comedy routine for a Benny Hinn detractor. |
rachelengland
Intermediate Member
Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 364
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 4.159.113.4
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 12:33 pm: |
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"I just believe we (me) must be very careful in judging the heart, which we almost always have no special insight into in regards to others".XMAN
You know in life we judge many things, I usually think it would be better labeled deciding but nonetheless... We judge which politicians we want to support based on campaigns and morals, we judge which college is best for us to attend-we even judge restaurants and the service we receive in retail environments....and we do the same with ministers and religions in general. We must do that to protect our minds.
When the Jesus of the Bible spoke to the radicals and said "hey judge not least ye be judged" he was speaking to a crowd of men who were ready to kill a woman!! There is a big difference between that and Benny Hinn and Arnold Murray preaching fairytales-we have a right to judge these scam artists.
Hinn and Copeland are very motivated by MONEY -my heavens they talk about it so much(prosperity)-anything that consumes most of your message is obviously....your downfall. Stop putting your heads in the sand like an Ostrich and look at things logically here-if we let ministers just run wild without any critic-many vulnerable people will suffer.R
(Message edited by rachelengland on August 27, 2007) |
xman3
Intermediate Member
Username: xman3
Post Number: 183
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 216.163.56.92
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 6:51 pm: |
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Hello rachel. Saw your entry at the nest. Glad to see you there. I actually have listened to little if any of Benny Hinn's stuff. As for Copeland, I have heard a lot through the years. I personally do not believe he is motivated by money, but like I said, I have no special insight.
People can judge all they want and anything they want. I don't use that misused scripture to judge not, lest you be judged as we are told to judge many things. Scripture says NOONE knows the heart of a man except the spirit of the man (and of course, the Holy Spirit). Scripture also tells us that men judge according to appearance, but God sees the hearts. I don't quibble with anyone's right to expose things here whether I agree or not, but I do not believe anyone here is qualified to judge the motives of another's heart. I'll join in many of these discussions especially about financial stuff, but I believe it is wise and proper to leave that aspect to the one who we will render an account to, and that isn't me.
Except for that, I don't disagree with anything you say. The stuff you refer to is not judging their motives, but more their teachings, actions, etc... Go for it. That's what factnet is all about I suppose.
If anyone is so confident in their judgement of another's heart (like has been misdirected towards my own here several times) that they can confidently stand before God's reciprocal judgement of their own, good for them. I'm just a litle leery of the infallibility of some of my judgements. I make them like most do, but I usually rant to my wife a little and keep 'em to myself, because I really don't know. |
jeff_franklin
Intermediate Member
Username: jeff_franklin
Post Number: 479
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 67.9.9.73
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 7:02 pm: |
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Matthew 6
19 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:"
21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
That says it all as to Copeland, Hinn and the rest of the wof heretic's hearts. They all lay up for themselves treasures upon earth. That scripture alone judges where their hearts are. Not with God. |
xman3
Intermediate Member
Username: xman3
Post Number: 185
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 216.163.56.92
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 7:06 pm: |
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That's a good point. I have no problem with laying out scripture and letting it decide. Solid example in my opinion. |
trsrinheaven
Member
Username: trsrinheaven
Post Number: 63
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.194.182.119
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 7:14 pm: |
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xmman,
There are many scriptures giving directions on how to know a mans heart.
One is "Your heart is where your treasure is"
another is "you shall know them by their fruit" just to name a few.
See where a person does with the majority of their money and you will know their heart. Their heart is tied to their money.
He that is not faithful in little (money-mammnon) shall not be faithful in much (Gods Great commission of the ministry of reconciliation - Mk 16 2Cor5) Luke 16
"Pride comes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall"
So you can know a persons motives and heart. The Holy Spirit will also show you and give you direction in this. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Intermediate Member
Username: the_apostolic_truth_ministries
Post Number: 351
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 12.217.145.168
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 8:16 pm: |
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M(r)(s). trsrinheaven:
Quoting: "There are many scriptures giving directions on how to know a mans heart."
End quote.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9 (KJV)
Obviously, God should have checked with you before opening his big mouth! |
jeff_franklin
Advanced Member
Username: jeff_franklin
Post Number: 549
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 67.9.9.73
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 8:26 pm: |
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Right! As if a man who spends the majority of his money on drugs, alcohol, pornography, prostitutes and dog fighting is really a moral person.  |
rachelengland
Intermediate Member
Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 374
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 4.159.113.223
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 8:27 pm: |
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Xman, I know from some of your writings you are seeking to learn just like me. I too hate to put all ministers in the same catagory-some have very good hearts and motives and even though I may not agree with their ideas- I know they mean well..But on the other side of the coin-there are some real losers and I have no fear of helping to expose them a bit;)
I also wanted to say-I(that hatter is a hoot). Lots of great humour and I love humour...
I'm in the middle of moving into a new home and starting a new job-but I will get on board more later..Take care R |