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praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 277
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 7:01 pm: | 
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Crawly, Inkorrekt and Junefever:
I find your collective similar styles to be of interest, just not to me and so therefore, I wanted to share with you some words of wisdom; “Don't argue with an idiot; people watching [I’ll add reading] may not be able to tell the difference.”
John 8:42-47 (with emphasis on 43)In any Bible you wish!
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crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 127
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.18
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:42 pm: |
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hi preatorian,
huh?
we all know that jesus didn't return in 1874...errr ooops ok, it was invisible in 1878 errr oooooops, ummmm ........errr, ok it is now 1914 errr.... ummm, ooooops, errr
so, ........ wicked false prophets who self-appoint themselves must die according to the bible....... may they die in jesus name.
they should die like jim jones, and also wacko stuff, and die like arrons two sons who offered up fake insence.
wicked liars with a fake coming of jesus are just snakes... matt 24;24
you agree, right preatorian? |
junefever
Junior Member
Username: junefever
Post Number: 37
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.172.116.155
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:42 am: |
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"I find your collective similar styles to be of interest, just not to me and so therefore, I wanted to share with you some words of wisdom; “Don't argue with an idiot; people watching [I’ll add reading] may not be able to tell the difference.”"
Why are you so concerned with what people who are reading think? Let them decide for themselves. And that includes whether they even want to read it to begin with.
Your odd comment simply underscores JWs obsession with appearances. They also think they can control--or direct--people's opinions.
Most of us don't have that burdensom responsiblity of perpetuating a belief system that's filled with hypocrisy and lies. Thus we don't need to employ smoke and mirrors and deceptive words. It's a great freedom. One that a true JW will never enjoy. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 279
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 2:18 pm: |
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Junefever:
I made a statement and then provided you with a saying.
Your going past this is what you do in response to all of my posts.
How you get the audacity for your reply, to my words above, demonstrates your manner of reasoning that I do not care for; that’s as plain as I can state it, no more and more less. If you add to this, you are doing so of your own originality, but then again, this is what you and yours regularly do!
You post is wrong, I am not concerned about anything remotely connected to you and yours. I expressed my view, and gave you sound advice, that applies to all. The obsession is yours and that of your associates, not mine, and what you imply is from your own originality and those who think like you, while millions of JW's and non JW's, do not agree with you and yours, and are "free" and "happy" to express this to you; so consider it expressed patently clear here!
Good bye.
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crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 130
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.6
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 5:42 pm: |
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omg!!... hey preatorian........ gosh, are you kidding me?...... you dismiss junefever with insults?........ hahahahaha
are you afraid to talk about false prophets?
are you one of them? |
inkorrekt
Intermediate Member
Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 179
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 71.211.180.106
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:33 pm: |
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JUNEFEVER and CRAWLY: As usual, our JW theologian in disguise has begun an attack on all the messengers because, he cannot answer any question. This is also the tactic of all liberals. If they cannot answer anything, then send the attack dogs. Example: Hillary Rotten Clinton who always accuses the right wing conspiracy for all her sins and transgressions. It is always someone else and not me.!!!!!!!!
Well Praetorian, what have you accomplished in this forum by attacking all of us who question your beliefs and your understanding of the Bible(whose)? |
crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 131
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.66
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:53 am: |
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preatorian is jw leadership........ the higer up ones are expert at tricky talk, as they try to assure everyone that they are ''god's prophet'', while at the same time denying they ever claimed that when it comes to all of their fase prophecy.
it really takes a lot of skill at being a smooth talker to do it.
praetorian is good at it........ matt 24;24 |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 280
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:54 pm: |
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Craw:
Since you stated it, it just "MUST" be true.
Wow, your insight never ceases to amaze me!
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Matthew 24:24 |
junefever
Junior Member
Username: junefever
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.172.116.155
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:33 am: |
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"How you get the audacity for your reply, to my words above, demonstrates your manner of reasoning that I do not care for"
Yes, it's clear you don't care for logic and objective reason. Changing the subject and insulting the deliverer of the message, as you do, plainly demonstrates that.
"that’s as plain as I can state it, no more and more less. If you add to this, you are doing so of your own originality, but then again, this is what you and yours regularly do!"
You start a thread directed to two specific individuals and post a message about not arguing with an idiot, and then claim someone is "reading into it." Too funny.
"and what you imply is from your own originality and those who think like you"
It's called independent thinking. You might try it sometime. Wait, you can't--you're a JW. They use the term "independent thinking" as a code word to describe something very, very bad.
"while millions of JW's and non JW's, do not agree with you and yours, and are "free" and "happy" to express this to you; so consider it expressed patently clear here!"
I don't know about the "millions" of non-JWs not agreeing with me: most of the world doesn't give a rat's behind about the JWs, except being annoyed when they knock on their doors on their days off. They know little about them except when the read about a mother dying and leaving behind children because she refused a blood transfusion; or a hospital being forced to get a court order in order to administer blood to a 2 year old who's parents would rather see the child die than accept. Or the kid at school who can't celebrate Christmas or birthdays. Or the family down the street that keeps to themselves but drags their kids, dressed up in suits and ties, to 3 meetings a week; 2 of them on school nights, and door to door on Saturdays. Not much attractive about them; they're just a little strange. But hey, it's a free country.
As to portraying JWs with live and let live attitude, that's rubbish. They're so adamant to prove they have the only legitimate way of life and beliefs that they must relentless peddle them door to door. And they disfellowship and shun members who question or challenge their beliefs. Those are just two prime examples of their insecurity and inability to entertain other ideas. Also examples of tactics used by controlling cults. |
crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 132
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.253.120
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:55 am: |
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you can tell jw leadership by how good they are at dragging the red herring, when it comes to them being false prophets........it takes some trainning and skill to claim to be ''god's prophet'', ''god's visible organiztion'', ''god's only channel''... while at the same time claiming they never really said that......... jesus warned about how trickey they would be in matt 24;24.... 2 thess 2;2
as they claim unless you obey them, you will die at armageddon..... while they also claim they don't claim that either......... it's pretty tricky. |
oneway
Intermediate Member
Username: oneway
Post Number: 281
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 69.30.157.124
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 5:35 pm: |
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"Or the family down the street that keeps to themselves but drags their kids,
dressed up in suits and ties, to 3 meetings a week; 2 of them on school nights,
and door to door on Saturdays."
It's interesting but true, that you should state this. But do we ever consider beyond what we observe?
A co worker of mine happens to be a jw. He got divorced 10-12 yrs ago, met a JW, remarried, and now he's a devout JW. He has sev children from ex wife and sev children from current wife, not biologically his tho.
I'm going to focus on one of his two pre-teen daughters from his first marriage. But first a little background on his ex wife. She is a known meth user/abuser. Even served time in prison for dealing.
The courts set it up where these kids are to spend time with their mother on the weekends. On a cpl of these occasions the mother lost it, one time she came running after the children with a butcher knife, just totally freaked out. How no one got hurt in that incedent is beyond me.
I asked my co-worker if the children still went over there on the weekends. He said yes.
That doesn't make sense to me at all. What kind of father is he that he would allow this and act like it's no big deal?
Now to get to what I'm really trying to stress, a few months back, one of his pre-teen daughters' decides she wants to move in with her mother. He couldn't understand why.
Well I believe I can. His daughter was probably tired of being forced into being a JW against her will. What could she do tho? She was under age.
It's really sad when one doesn't have anywhere to turn to for support at such an early age. All said and done, his daughter would rather take chances with her sometimes deranged mother than be a JW. This is the way I see it. His daughter has been a straight A student, but who knows how she may turn out now. Perhaps strung out on drugs like her mother.
And if this is not bad enough, I believe the father has pretty much nothing to do with this daughter anymore. Disfellowshipped, I guess it's called.
So when we see that family down the street, esp with small children, we need to consider what the children might be going thru.
(Message edited by oneway on August 25, 2007) |
crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 134
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.248.65
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 10:47 am: |
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well, you have to give them credit for knowing how to dress up.
i learned a lot about wearing a suit and tie while i was a jw.
it works really good......... all of a sudden people think you are respectable.
at the kingdoom hall everyone looks so respectable......... and the love bombing works good too. |
junefever
Junior Member
Username: junefever
Post Number: 41
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.172.116.155
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:42 am: |
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"So when we see that family down the street, esp with small children, we need to consider what the children might be going thru."
Of course. Most people I know feel sorry for the children, esp when they can't participate in normal things that other children delight in. The problem is that's typically all you can do is feel sorry for them. People are free to bring up their children as they see fit. Unless they are being physically abused or emotionally/psychologically damaged, there's not much outsiders can do about it.
I personally would make a case that the children are being psychologically, socially, mentally, and emotionally deprived in a JW household, but it's a tricky issue proving it. Esp since JWs are extremely deceitful and adept at using mind control on their children. When challenged with their way of life, the JW will go to great lengths to say what a loving, positive environment they offer and completely downplay the deprivations the children actually go through.
Sad indeed. Which is why many of us who understand the real JW way of life want to expose the negative affects they have on people and families. They entice people based on their clean-cut reputation. Once people are sucked in they find a different reality. Due to their guilt-tripping and other mind-control tactics, it's very hard to leave. |
crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 140
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.252.90
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:42 pm: |
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what happened preatorian?
in your post no. 3 you referred to yourself as a disfellowshipped jw.
now you started this thread calling us ex-jws ''idiots''.
what is the deal?.......... are you just jw leadership pretending not to be a jw as you call ex-jws names?
i'm familiar with jw leadership cult tactics. |
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