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praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 191
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 5:29 pm: | 
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Crawly:
I am no longer willing to abuse this board with repeat postings of the same thing over and over again. It shows a lack of respect and consideration for this board and the costs associated with administering it.
Crawly, if you or anyone else wants me to address something specific, I will be more than happy to do so, to the best of my ability however, this repeating of information is simply not productive and is unnecessarily taking up space on this board that can be better used by those who truly wish to engage in the exchange of thoughts on a particular subject matter, even if they end up agreeing to disagree! And while you may not be considerate of this board or of anything else, I for one do not wish to abuse it.
I have addressed your postings repeatedly, and in the end, I and others simply don't agree with you despite the fact you are entitled to your opinions, whether stated correctly or not.
I am sorry you are so angry as that helps no one.
Sorry you feel that way!
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crawly
Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 51
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.161
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:53 pm: |
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notice how the wicked jw leadership can't talk about matt 24;24 and must beg off in a hurry as they are exposed as wicked false prophets working the matt 24;24 scam by their own history.
deut 18;20..... matt 24;24....... 2 thess 2;2,
num 16......... rev 11. |
crawly
Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.161
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:58 pm: |
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notice how the wicked jw leadership can't talk about matt 24;24 and must beg off in a hurry as they are exposed as wicked false prophets working the matt 24;24 scam by their own history.
deut 18;20..... matt 24;24....... 2 thess 2;2,
num 16......... rev 11.
in the jw publication, "revelation, it's grand climax at hand" book pages 166 or so as they claim to command fire from heaven against all of christianity, as they claim to be the two prophets of rev 11. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 194
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:12 pm: |
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Crawly:
I and not JW leadership etc. nor I am speaking for them. I have enjoyed responding and bantering with people on this site regarding this topic. You instead do not discuss or exchange thoughts, as evident by your postings, wherein you repeat your position over and over again which you consider appropriate and I do not!
There is nothing to notice other than what you do!
I disagree and there are many others that do also! We are in a fixed cross road position on this subject matter!
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crawly
Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 59
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.197
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 2:41 pm: |
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no praetorian, what i'm saying is true and is not a matter of opinion.
the jw leadership are nothing but false prophets working the matt 24;24 scam as they claim to be prophets but yet deny it at the same time when it comes to all of their false prophecy.
the jw book "revelation, it's grand climax at hand" on pages 166 is just a small sample of their gross lies.
and also, i am very familiar with jws who claim not to be jws as they support their false prophet leadership, since the leadership has forbidden the rank and file jw to be on the internet talking to ex-jws.
so, of course i understand that jws working this site, and other sites will claim not to be a jw.
but, i'm glad you decided to beg off...... it's normal for a jw to do that.
next, usually if they don't leave, they do the "name calling"......... jw cult members are very predictable. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 202
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 4:36 pm: |
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Crawly:
I appreciate your response. Perhaps I am not making myself clear and adding to some confusion. I say opinion as opposed to fact, and no matter how strongly you feel about something, it is an opinion unless it can be proven to a certain specific manner as a fact, thereby differentiating the terms “fact” from “opinion”. If you can have two people with their own views of things that cannot be proven from an “exact” “precise” standpoint, other than their strong feelings and observations, than it is an opinion. You “feel” therefore you “know” certain things you feel strongly about them and there are others who have experiences with them, and or are them that “feel” totally different than you; this “fact” (the situation used as a comparison) shows your views are opinions and this is what I have been trying to say. The best way to see this difference is to look the words up.
I hear and read what you “feel” about them, being false prophets and their leadership and their being a scam etc. and again submit to you that there are many of them, including formally disfellowshipped people who “feel” differently than you, and this makes it an opinion.
Your reference to the “two prophets” is incorrectly stated, when it is the “two witnesses” and this is a fact, not an opinion because you can state this with precision regarding this by turning to the book and; you can do one better, you can turn your Bible to Revelation 11:3,4 and you will see that it speaks of “two witnesses” (NIV) and that they do speak about these scriptures in the pages (and there about) you refer to in the Red Revelation Book. The JW feels that this applies to them, and you fully disagree, and I clearly respect your opinion on this.
I am sorry but I am not sure what you are trying express in your next paragraph however I can tell you that their literature recommends (does not order) against the practice of many things and one of those things is not to engage in dialogues or internet exchanges in argument of their faith etc, especially when one can run into disfellowshipped people. Your “understanding” belies the fact that one can know about many disciplines in life and not practice the discipline they speak of or support! Many professors do this!
Crawly, I find that throwing out names, as calling people a cult etc is as derogatory as expletives to those to whom it is hurled.
In the end, I personally enjoy the exchanges and banter, when they appear meaningful.
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crawly
Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 65
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.252.151
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:35 pm: |
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thank you for returning preatorian jw supporter,
now the jw leadership are working the matt 24;24 scam and you know it, right?....... or not?
don't you know that yet?
they claim jesus arrived in 1874 and appointed them to rule.... oooops.
wasn't that nice of russel and rutherford and franz to claim that?
were they really 'gods only voice'...?.. as they told lie after lie after lie, ''and cover up after cover up'', until they finally died as they still claimed the wicked demonic numerology appointed them to rule?
later the jw leadership changed it to 1914 and told huge lies about rutherford's group being the ''two prophets'' of rev 11, and how they commanded fire to come down on all of christianity, because they refused to obey the jw leadership.
wasn't that nice of them to tell such huge lies, and claim that they were the two prophets of rev 11 comanding fire on all christians who disagree?
jw red rev book, pages 166 or so |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 216
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:41 pm: |
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Crawly:
Since you are good at repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is!
One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’
Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board.
I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.”
You have my email address now don't you?
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crawly
Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 81
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.45
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:37 pm: |
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pratetorian, please read the above post by me again.
thank you in advance.
and always remember, false prophets liars are going to gehenna, the lake of fire.
that is where the wicked gov body of jws is headed.
matt 24;24...2 thess 2;2 |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 226
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 7:03 pm: |
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Crawly:
Since you are good at repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is!
One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’
Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board.
I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.”
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P.S. Be sure to send the address and directions when you get there! The hate you have can be felt through the computer..Hey get a martini, you "might" feel better! |
crawly
Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 87
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.253.69
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 6:57 am: |
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one of the tactics of the jehovah's witnesses is to claim that since they are "god's organization" the decisions their gov body makes are from god, and so everyone must be submissive to god's leadership.
then if you ask them when exactly did they become "god's organization" they try to change the subject or discredit you, or call you names, or flood you with jw propaganda.
the reason they do that is found in jesus words at matt 24;24....... those wicked men who claim jesus already arrived and appointed them to rule get into a bind, because history and all the scriptures prove them liars........so they have to sorta change the subject. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 267
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 7:06 pm: |
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Craw:
Duh!
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crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 122
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.58
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 1:46 am: |
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notice how praeatorian, who claims to be a disfellowshipped jw in his no. 3 post, and also not a jw at all later, keeps posting jw propaganda!
do you notice it? |
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