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     madeitanyway New member Username: madeitanyway Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.149.191 |
On September 29th, GCC will hold the closing ceremonies on their site in Brockville. I am a 1970's grad, so i know what you guys are talking about. Come and face your tormentors - toothless now for the most part. Believe me most are sorry. Get this part of your life behind you. See some of your fellow survivors and close the door on the place, physically and emotionally. This will probably be the last chance to see the old place and face some of the people you knew, good and bad. I have been there several times since my grad. It made a huge difference to see them now being grown up and in control. Please make a point to be there on Sept 29th. Go to the GCC web page for more info. http://www.grenvillecc.ca/ or connect with GCCAA (Grenville Alumni Association) shown on the web site. | ||
| rozpriceenglish New member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.137.171.21 |
Are there any more specifics on the itinerary, costs etc? I was adamant about not going, I'm now reconsidering. But I do NOT want to be hit up for a donation - my parents paid through the nose for my years - and I do not want to be put it a situation to sit through hours of 'half truths'. I would be interested in knowing more about the plan. | ||
| madeitanyway New member Username: madeitanyway Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.149.191 |
Closing CELEBRATION at GCC Saturday, September 29th Many of you have asked about being able to return to Grenville for one last celebration of all we have shared over that last 37 years. Whether you were here for one year or ten, you are a part of the Grenville family, and we'd love to see you again. We have set the date for the evening of Saturday, September 29th, so mark your calendars, and I'll send you details for making reservations as soon as we've got that worked out. Also some people were wondering if I was still around. (Yes, I'm still here - until Sept. 5th) Last week I sent out a broadcast message from Fr. Mintz and Geoff Jackson and another one from Bob Creighton. You should have received a second message from Bob this morning. These come through me since I can send them to all of you at once. We have 936 Alumni, former staff, and some parents in our directory. If you know of any others in these categories that want to stay connected, have them go to the Alumni section of the Grenville website soon and sign on. This is from the alumni co-ordinator Nancy Smith - nsmith@grenvillecc.ca if anyone wants to connect | ||
| madeitanyway New member Username: madeitanyway Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 149.173.6.51 |
GCC is done, finished and no more, and no staff are asking for any help what so ever. The GEF has responded to requests from many alumni wanting to help but not knowing how to. This is all that is being done. The GEF is made up of alumni not GCC and not influenced by GCC. Those that bear a grudge and cannot get over it, find relief. I pity your pain, Those that either do not have a grudge or had received relief and feel so inclined to help then there is a venue for doing so. Many people sent their money to the organizations that assisted the Tsunami or Katrina victims. For the most part we did not even know who these people were but did it anyway. Today people that gave of themselves, have been left out in the cold. Some may relish in their pain hoping to seek relief from their own unresolved pain. To those people, you are a minority. I believe people generally "do better because they know better". That is why the school over the last few years did change. A change that could have not come soon enough. Nothing would give those people better closure than to rise above all of this and "do better". A lot of people will give because they take the high road not the low road. I choose to give to help as opposed to hurt.These people are so down and out. | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
I hope you are not implying those who do not give are taking the low road, because that would be rather presumptious.It seems to me many people are taking the high road and moving on with their lives in a very meaningful, and productive way."getting over it" as you said takes time, and many people are at different stages when it comes to this, but I don't think anyone is asking for pity. I certainly am not-I see this forum as a celebration of sorts-I can clearly look at my life, and see how well I have done despite such negative experiences.There are as well many ways other than the giving of money to show support for those who are in dire straights at this time.I encourage all to continue on their personal path of healing, and not for a moment feel a sence of gult if they choose not to give money.I would also like to say to Nancy I have much respect for you, and I am grateful for all your devotion towards the alumni. I would think it not an easy task trying to maintain a strong and productive alumni association. I certainly do wish you well in the upcoming months. | ||
| rozpriceenglish New member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.162.210.45 |
I've been doing some looking around regarding accomodations, here's what I have so far (Brockville, CAD currency): Days Inn 70 dbl bd/nonsmok Comfort Inn 126 Royal Brock 108 Quality Inn (Ogdensburg)123 B&B There are a number of these, the cheapest rates I found were 75.00 a night. A few websites I found that were helpful: www.brockvilletourism.com www.bbcanada.com | ||
| davidthompson New member Username: davidthompson Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 202.215.112.34 |
There must be some bed and breakfast places too. Merickville is not far and Ottawa is fast now thanks to 416... Kingston too | ||
| westcedar1 New member Username: westcedar1 Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 12.45.228.13 |
The Days Inn is decent. It does have a bar but it closes early. | ||
| rozpriceenglish New member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.132.143.246 |
The B&B scene is really nice actually. There is one in Brockville that I love - it has a two room suite if anyone is thinking about bunking together to share costs. Try BBcanada for a listing of Brockville - their prices are actually much more reasonable than the hotels. Has anyone heard if GCC will be offering lodging options? Has anyone heard of any kind of itinerary? It would be nice for those attending if they could find out ahead of time what the schedule was in case they wanted to plan their own get togethers... | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.249 |
I think, well I know I have no money to give... I am un employed currently...But, no excuse... I am just not giving and not in position too. But, I think as I said over in facebook, that most of us walked out of GCC with a sense of who God is and what we see him to be for our own personal benefit. I offer my prayers to those who are still there and have to choose a new road and path to follow... Life happens and it is not always an easy one... Like, I also said many still there are followers and chose to be for their own reasons and possibly because they really believed it was Gods will. I know that God will help and support...but, I do caution that God does work in Mysterious ways...and sometimes what we visualize God giving us is not always the way we get it. I pray the transition will be an easy one for them and that they have all their needs met. I sincerely mean that, and honestly it is all I can do. | ||
| former_gcc_staff New member Username: former_gcc_staff Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 137.186.250.226 |
I don't think madeitanyway is trying to say that if you don't give money you are taking the low road. I think he's just trying to emphasize that GCC in it's last years was not the entity that you knew it as. Any resentment that you feel toward GCC is understandable as many of you went threw some horrible things, things that should never have happened. I think most people would understand if you did not give to the school. What I do find a little disturbing is that there is a small group on this forum who seem to have a "serves them right" attitude towards the staff who suddenly find themselves out of a job, and in some cases a home. again this is a minority but I belive that's what madeitanyway was refering too. From what I've read on here the people involved with the abuse had little to no contact with school in it's later years. The vast majority of the staff in recent times were good people that cared about the students, who often times went out of their way to care for the students and would not have tolerated any abuse. To be happy about their troubles makes no sense and does nothing to heal your own pain. Again I think most people on this forum understand that. There just seems to be a small percentage with some misplaced anger. | ||
| mike_irvine New member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.59.81.250 |
i couldn't agree more with former gcc staff. gord mintz has been the headmaster and you'll never meet a sweeter more caring man than him. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.132.141.199 |
Seems like my comments rubbed 'madeitanyway' and 'formergccstaff' the wrong way. I'm half smiling as I write this, because one of the things I've had to work through is the need to explain myself so that I am not misunderstood...  Perhaps if I had worded it more delicately, you wouldn't have the opinion that I'm "happy about their troubles" with my "serves them right attitude". Ahem: rewrite - I am considering attending the celebration but am unsure as to the itinerary and schedule of events. I would feel uncomfortable being placed in a situation in which we are asked to donate monetarily. That said, I and my family have been in direct contact with current staff members with whom we are close friends and we have been assured that the community will be taking care of its members. Additionally, I would be uncomfortable with too much ceremony, as the gift of this forum has been to allow me an opportunity to review some of my feelings regarding my time at the school. There fore, too much 'hooplah' would be difficult for me, when all I really would want to do is sit down with other alumni, drink a beer, and get silly talking about all the good, all bad, all the crazy fun, and all the other stuff no one would believe if they hadn't been there... | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.132.141.199 |
Seems like my comments rubbed 'madeitanyway' and 'formergccstaff' the wrong way. I'm half smiling as I write this, because one of the things I've had to work through is the need to explain myself so that I am not misunderstood... Perhaps if I had worded it more delicately, you wouldn't have the opinion that I'm "happy about their troubles" with my "serves them right attitude". Ahem: rewrite - I am considering attending the celebration but am unsure as to the itinerary and schedule of events. I would feel uncomfortable being placed in a situation in which we are asked to donate monetarily. That said, I and my family have been in direct contact with current staff members with whom we are close friends and we have been assured that the community will be taking care of its members. Additionally, I would be uncomfortable with too much ceremony, as the gift of this forum has been to allow me an opportunity to review some of my feelings regarding my time at the school. There fore, too much 'hooplah' would be difficult for me, when all I really would want to do is sit down with other alumni, drink a beer, and get silly talking about all the good, all bad, all the crazy fun, and all the other stuff no one would believe if they hadn't been there... | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 29 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
OK I have to agree with former_gcc_staff in what he/she says because those who are left, actually at the school, don't deserve to be shat(hey, Brenda----shat doesn't get the "red dots---  on(those you had problems with are long gone). But "madeitanyway" I have to say something about your comment of "these people are so down and out", this is NOT true by any means!! Many of those that are remaining have family in other provinces or cities that they can move to. Some are married with children and can head out "to the real" world and get jobs. So lets try not view them as the "down and out". Yes, they are in our thoughts during this transition time in their lives but they CAN move on, take charge of their OWN lives, make their OWN decisions and be JUST fine(in my oh so humble opinion!!). (Message edited by cryfreedom on August 13, 2007) | ||
| former_gcc_staff New member Username: former_gcc_staff Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 137.186.250.226 |
sorry roz I wasn't actually refering to you I don't know if madeitanyway was or not. the things I've read are from different threads than this. I'm not a big fan of being asked for money either, I agree it can be uncomfortable. I personally would in this situation if I could I'm just living off just above minimum wage at this particular moment and can't. I also think I understand what you are saying about too much "hooplah". I had something pretty bad happen to me in montreal, I don't hate people there, but it has bad memories, so I wouldn't go there for fun. I know it's different, but I think I can help me relate a little. I'm referring to qoutes like (I'm paraphrasing here) "I don't feel sorry for the staff, they're adults they knew what they were doing when the decided to work for that place" "why would help them after what they put me threw?" this is another reason I should probably avoid forums. Cause as I read what I write in my head I'm meaning in a calm concerned voice. But how do you put that on paper Maybe I should use more smileys | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 18 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
When I do have money to give, it will be going to organizations that help 2nd generation children who are displaced in the world after leaving cults. I would like to set up funding to assist kids who choose freedom, yet have no family or support to help them when they leave. A way for them to learn how to live, make choices, and recover from spiritual abuse. I do not wish harm for any of the staff at GCC, but those are people who chose that life and I certainly do not pity them. I still have family in the COJ cult who I love very much. But the ones I would wish to help are those who are kept against thier will, forced into submission, and through spiritual manipulation, raped of the ability to discern how to make choices based on personal truth instead of fear. My burden is for the children. ~DT | ||
| papillon New member Username: papillon Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 24.40.146.45 |
I agree with Dream_truth. I would help the children and survivors first. It's nothing against the staff or their plight, but children, including myself, were thrown out on the street without a thought or care. Choosing to help the vulnerable ones still entrapped or damaged is an attempt to send limited resources where the need really IS the greatest. | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.49.85.152 |
Hey Roz, I remember you well; I think I was in your family before you became staff. I was a little surprised when you did come back as staff, but I am glad that you are doing well now. I am all for getting together over a beer or two. You and Jesse are the only ones that I recognize so far from these posts. I got to find my yearbooks! I am not going to give money, I wish to see a new group start a school there with a clean slate. However I would love the chance to run into some of the people that I used to know. | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
Maybe I could get Oprah to buy it and let me turn it into a safe house for cult runaways. Now that would be cool. alway on d, i must know you if you were on that Ottawa trip. | ||
| former_gcc_staff New member Username: former_gcc_staff Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 137.186.250.226 |
I think those are all very good and valid things to give money too. I think a safehouse for cult runaways would be a great cause. dream-truth I will say that most staff wouldn't be able to tell you what coj is let alone have any involvement with them. I understand why your heart is with cult victims and I honestly don't care what you do with your money, but it sounds like your painting the current staff with the same brush as the staff that were there when you were a student, but they are simply not the same. You say "those are people that have chose that life." As far as I know the only life they chose was that of an educator or a caregiver. I know I never swore an oath to coj and the only thing I ever heard of it was once one of the older people that no longer works at the school was planning a retreat there that no one went to. I never was involved nor was asked to be in a light session as they no longer happened. Nor did I ever sentence anyone to D or witnessed anyone on D as it was also a thing of the past. What I did witness was teachers taking time out of their own schedule to help students with homework, houseparents taking kids out to dairyqueen on their own time. Or staying up till 4am in the emergency room while a student got stiches from a biking accident. What people signed up for was to do a very noble job of raising and educating children, not to be told their job was secure and than be out of a job 1 month later. I am very sorry about what happened to you, but it was not done by myself or my co-workers. | ||
| certavi_et_vici Junior Member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 63.28.33.134 |
Former GCC Staff, In the language of the kitchen, that's a crock! I spoke last week to GCC and CofJ members and know that your statements above are false. Many are still blaming the departure of Father Farnsworth for the decline of the school. To say that people still at GCC are not aware of the Community of Jesus is quite simply farcical. If one checks the website one will find many names from the period that I was at GCC, including 5 of the 9 people in administration and 5 of the 11 board members and 2 of the 2 GGC reps on the board. If the above statements are your firmly held views, then it is time to take off the blinders and stop living in denial. I do not doubt that GCC changed after the departure of FF, but you do have co-workers who are guilty of horrific levels of child abuse and others who were accomplices and facilitators. | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
Former_gcc_staff: I agree with certavi. Quite frankly, it's becoming apparent that you really don't grasp what had actually transpired at that school prior to your arrival as you've apparently not been involved in any of the situations which have caused the most damage to ex-students. I say this with all due respect, but your last post sounds like you're trying to justify your time spent at that school while at the same time washing your hands of the past wrongs committed as much as anything else. You have to realize that informing us of the the ways of the school recently does not rinse away the memories of the past. If you were not present during the late 80's / early 90's, then maybe you should use a little more discretion in who you choose to protect and write on behalf of. Understand that you're conversing with some people who are very adamant about the issues raised and that they've experienced it...you haven't. | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
alway on d: I can't figure out who you are. E-mail me: jes_noonan@hotmail | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.48.52.254 |
Dream_Truth: Yes I was on the Ottawa Trip... I can't remember if it was a class thing, or Wednesday afternoon thing. Were you on it too? | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.48.52.254 |
Dream_Truth: Yes I was on the Ottawa Trip... I can't remember if it was a class thing, or Wednesday afternoon thing. Were you on it too? | ||
| rock_harbour New member Username: rock_harbour Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.100.1.80 |
I am disconcerted by posts I’ve read on this website that allude to people wanting to attend the GCC Closing to “face their tormentors” so to speak. I would ask that those who are unhappy with their GCC experience not attend the Closing Weekend out of respect for those whose time at GCC was meaningful and positive. I ask that those who experienced disrespect by GCC staff not respond in-kind. Two wrongs do not make a right no matter how much it may relieve your distress. The only healing I’ve experienced in my life from hurtful and damaging situations has been to let it go. My own obsessing over things of the past made me a resentful, angry person wanting revenge. I never knew how much those feelings were damaging me the most. To me, this website isn’t about healing. If it was, alternate and dissenting opinions would be tolerated and encouraged. It seems to be about fostering and perpetuating resentment. I don’t intend to minimize people’s experience, however, to quote one poster, I suggest taking your issues “off line” preferably with a professional who can help you move on. Former GCC student | ||
| bluesman New member Username: bluesman Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.79.247 |
Welcome rock_harbour! This site has been in operation for about one year and over that time one thing us old timers have come to value is everyone’s viewpoint. It seems as though your experience at GCC was very positive. I am so happy for you! I know that not everyone was so lucky. My personal experience was one in which I also had many positive experiences at GCC and now have many valuable memories from those years. I would betray my own integrity to pretend that all my experiences were positive however. I would also betray the trust of others by not valuing their experiences, whether good or bad. One of the weaknesses of GCC life was a systemic inability to sustain criticism or less than positive input. From my vantage point, this weakness was one of its fatal flaws. One thing that happened was that the growth of the organization was stunted by not taking criticism and growing from it. Second, people who did dare to act out or speak out were silenced in abusive ways that were damaging, especially if you were in that environment over many years or the method of silencing was severe. A third thing that I observed happening was that people lived in an unbalanced environment of all positives….that environment doesn’t exist anywhere…and besides it is an unhealthy perspective of life. For myself, I have found this site to be one of healing. Despite the many good experiences and memories that I have from my time at GCC, the bad experiences are just as real and were very destructive. I have found solace in knowing and meeting others who have moved on in life, become productive and successful adults, and yet still understand the depth of my pain. The road to healing has been hard and having others help to carry the burden only my validating my experience and expressing their empathy has in itself brought both relief and healing. That is my experience. | ||
| rock_harbour New member Username: rock_harbour Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.100.1.80 |
Thank you, Bluesman for your response. I shouldn't question people's path to healing. That wasn't my original intent. There is so much anger on this website. There are postings promising confrontation at the Closing weekend. My personal hope is that people who are excessively angry about their experience not attend the Closing weekend out of respect for those who are grieving over the loss they feel. | ||
| usedtobethere Junior Member Username: usedtobethere Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 209.47.31.5 |
rock_harbour with a 'u', Canad'j'ian spelling eh! You have to let this forum be what it is, a place that is safe to 'splat' with your thoughts, feelings etc. etc. etc. and maybe it doesn't come out 'all perfect'. It often ends up through the brain and onto the keyboard but this is a place where there should be tolerance for someone breaking out of the 'aftermath' and finding others who have been through similar times and therefore no longer feel they are alone. Others just have to tell it like it was/is or how they see it, plus some of the humour does help to break the seriousness (like they are really going to demo the old place). You don't get from "A" to "C" overnight without going through some "B" and at least on this site you don't have a judge and jury and should not have to worry. Others have had their say, you have had yours, so we are all hanging out here. I am sure those who attend the closing want to reconnect with old friends as this will be the last time to hold anything on campus, they really are not going to start a riot, may surprise you by acting civil  and may actually be pleased to see some staff. I am glad that your time at GCC was good but some on here did not have that pleasure or let's say 'in many cases the bad outweighed the good'. Best regards. utbt | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.133.244.124 |
Rock_Harbour (interesting name): Perhaps you could explore a little bit on why the anger so upsets you... If it's not directed at you, and is not directed at any one person in particular, why does it make you so uncomfortable? If there is the need for people to work through some anger or hurt, would you rob them of that healing? I had a time in my life when I had my own 'confrontation' with FF - in the end, he couldn't give me the healing I needed, but the head of the community at the time could. Yes, it was uncomfortable for a lot of people, but in the end, we ALL agreed that speaking the truth, voicing the pain and working through it was a postive experience. I am positive that there is enough graciousness and tact to handle any confrontations with grace and dignity. But that doesn't mean that healing should be withheld. I am SO glad that you did not experience the emotional trauma that some of us did. Truly I am. It takes so long to get past, so long to heal... I am so grateful you do not have that burden. | ||
| rock_harbour New member Username: rock_harbour Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.100.1.80 |
Thanks, utbt. I am all for people having a place to "splat" but it is sometimes hard to discern what is "splatting" and what is genuine retribution talk like threats of physical assalts on the "tormentors", class action law suits, expose documentaries... the list goes on. The content on FactNET is so hostile, I don't know that going back to GCC for the Closing will be a safe place to go. So, I understand the safe place issue you talk about. | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
rock_harbour------Maybe it was not your intent to question people's paths to healing but is it your intent to advice on who should go to the closing and who should not? Some want to go to just reconnect with old friends, others might feel the need to face their demons and come to some kind of closure. But we need to respect whatever reason it is for those that want to go. I'm sure we are all mature enough on this board and I can't see any BIG confrontation happening. But what if someone on this site feels the need to have a chat with FF or someone else. Well, that is their decision. Who are we to suggest other wise. Lets not be in denial rock_harbour. Alot of •••• happened there and judging by your Candian spelling of "harbour" I'm going to assume you were at GCC possibly as a staff kid? Why not join in on the timeline thread?! I for one am not going to the Closing because I know too much of the •••• that went on in the past and I just don't think I can now stomach all the B.S. that will be flowing freely! And since the postings about the racial comments on another thread I just don't even think I could see FF without saying something---it just makes me sick!! Anyways, just know that everyone has their own experiences and maybe their own way of dealing with the hurt and pain(be it joking, crying, ranting or raving). Dawn | ||
| jc19801983 New member Username: jc19801983 Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.71.22.64 |
I agree. It is good to vent about things. Some people may not have had a chance to. It is also good to talk to people about this that have been there and can relate. I am glad i found this site because i have found quite a few people that I used to know at gcc and have not really been in touch with since then. jc | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.133.244.124 |
Alway_on_d - okay, so I'm stumped. Email me?... Cuz I can't place you... pricenglish at netscape dot com actually, that goes for a few people... including former gcc staff.... mike irvine... (just kidding) | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
rock_harbour-----Can't remember reading anything about physical assults on the "tormentors" but if some are thinking about law suits or expose documentaries then ONCE AGAIN that is there decision!! Come on lets not over react----of course the Closing will be a safe place to be. | ||
| rock_harbour New member Username: rock_harbour Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.100.1.80 |
Roz; I was not spared! I experienced much (and then some) of what you all experienced when I was a teenager and later as an adult at GCC/CofJ. I took a different path to my healing. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.6 |
Thank you utbt, rock Harbour, it is cool you feel that way and honestly I think we all know better than that. I would however disagree that all postings are negative here... in fact I myself started a positive thread... and I stand by all that I have written even it is small in the grand scheme of things... I think in the larger sense that one thing we need to respect is that a lot of these peoples memories are older and implanted while they were still youths and these memories stand strong for them and me. We were impressionable and did not know any better back then and we had to follow and kinda trust in the people who were inflicting this. As adults we have been able to stand back and say hey...wait a minute that may not have been so correct and as adults have the ability to make choices we did not have then. For myself as explainned in another thread I understand myself so much better now and I understand where some of my skewed thoughts may have come from. And, that is POSITIVE! I am grateful for this forum and in the last week I have healed and grasped a totally different understanding... my resentment is pretty much gone. I am grateful for the students after me who did not have to endure what I did. I am sorrowful for some of the ex staff I have made ctct with through this forum because I did not know.... Others have had worse exps than I in GCC and I am not happy for that but, I am happy to know it was not me alone... I am happy for the discoveries this forum has given me. I love more than anything the fact I have re connected with people and begun to build relationships with people I thought I never would. While, I understand your fear that you may have to call the military and riot squad on Sept 29th, I agree with utbt and frankly I doubt that will be necessary. Hey, we all went to GCC and one thing they taught us was decorum!!! We know how to behave...for freaking sure!! In every situation in life we have good and we have bad and momentary lapses of inmaturity... you yourself probaly have a momment now and then when you think to your self you would like to stick a peice of dynamite up your boss's •••. we just vocalize and it is done... it is fun! We all too have our achilies heel and certain things in grainned in our minds that stuck out at GCC...mine is that damn wood chip boiler, got sick of hearing about it. So, we joke about it is all... I am sure you have that in your life... kinda even it is just you hate the colour of your bathroom...and wish it was another colour... My point is it is simple and harmless and I bet nothing will happen. Although, your concern is dually noted I promise... | ||
| rock_harbour New member Username: rock_harbour Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.100.1.80 |
Okay all; Thanks for your responses to me. I tend to overreact -- or catastrophize -- as my close friends tell me. Sorry. I am going through, I don't know what, about GCC Closing -- very emotional for me. Hard to sort it all out. Anyway, thanks for writing your thoughts. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.6 |
Hey rock harbour, all good indeed... and I am sure so many can relate to that.... when I first got the e-mail I was to say the least confused... I did not know how to feel... Over reacting, well...we can all do that too...I know I can... it is all good. Thanks for being open minded though and that again is another positive... | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.105.220.14 |
rock_harbour: Re: your intial post. One of two scenarios usually unfold on this site: 1) someone has had negative experiences while at gcc and vents...agreed there has been talk of an expose (which I am for), etc with these people. I see no problem with that. 2) someone has had positive experiences while at gcc and shares them with the rest of us. Your post however has a very strange vibe to it. There is no emotion towards those who are hurt here (except for your comment of not wanting to "minimalize"). You seem to be suggesting who should and shouldn't attend the closing. Finally, you have the nerve to suggest that people should seek professional consultation. Are you at all aware of just how many people are on this site doing just that? The one thing that this site offers us is understanding...very few who have not attended gcc truly appreciate and grasp what it really was other than those who were there. Since we live all over the world, it is precisely the reason as to why it's "online". A friend of mine whom has close ties to gcc described the school as being spinsters, PR bandits, etc. Your post seems to be awfully close to this. As sure as I'm sitting here writing this, you were (if not still are) gcc staff. If I am wrong, then I apologize. I don't think I'm off on this though. Please respect the thoughts and emotions expressed here. If you are not comfortable with them, then I suggest that you leave the site. Do not try to control the others on it. They have had enough of that. | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.105.220.14 |
rock_harbour: Re: your intial post. One of two scenarios usually unfold on this site: 1) someone has had negative experiences while at gcc and vents...agreed there has been talk of an expose (which I am for), etc with these people. I see no problem with that. 2) someone has had positive experiences while at gcc and shares them with the rest of us. Your post however has a very strange vibe to it. There is no emotion towards those who are hurt here (except for your comment of not wanting to "minimalize"). You seem to be suggesting who should and shouldn't attend the closing. Finally, you have the nerve to suggest that people should seek professional consultation. Are you at all aware of just how many people are on this site doing just that? The one thing that this site offers us is understanding...very few who have not attended gcc truly appreciate and grasp what it really was other than those who were there. Since we live all over the world, it is precisely the reason as to why it's "online". A friend of mine whom has close ties to gcc described the school as being spinsters, PR bandits, etc. Your post seems to be awfully close to this. As sure as I'm sitting here writing this, you were (if not still are) gcc staff. If I am wrong, then I apologize. I don't think I'm off on this though. Please respect the thoughts and emotions expressed here. If you are not comfortable with them, then I suggest that you leave the site. Do not try to control the others on it. They have had enough of that. | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
Hey rock harbor, I dont know of anyone that is planning any kind of assault or crazy behavior, that would be silly! And even though I certainly experienced some of the worst Grenville and the Community had to offer, I am very at peace with my life these days and happy to reconnect with old friends. As I said before, most of my concerns are with helping people recover from abuse, and doing what I can to stop abuse from continuing, but I most certainly do not have any need for revenge or anything like that at this point in my life. I am too full of love! I dont see this site as full of anger, I see it full of truth. Truth just isn't always pretty, but it sure is beautiful. always on d: I can't remember for the life of me when that trip was, but I think the reason I was there had something to do with being in drama class???... former gcc staff: I find your description of the affiliation (or non-affiliation) of GCC and COJ hilarious. You must think you are talking to someone stupid. | ||
| rock_harbour New member Username: rock_harbour Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.100.1.80 |
Jesse; Thanks for proving my point about the unhealthy one-sidedness of this website. In my previous post, I wrote that "alternate or opposing viewpoints are not tolerated" -- case in point. I was prompted to post after reading the exchange between Nomadic and Former GCC staff around the physical abuse story. When FGS tried to give her take on the situation -- she was summarily dismissed. I am not unsympathetic to people's experience here, as I experienced much of it myself. However, I am exercising freedom of speech as are you all. "The one thing that this site offers us is understanding..." I look forward to it. | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
Rock Harbor, If you have an experience or point of view you would like to share, go for it. So far you just seem to be nit-picking about what everyone else is saying, and complaining about the site. I'm sure if you have something to share about yourself you might find some more understanding. Otherwise, if you just dont like this site, I'm compelled to ask why you are reading it. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
rock_harbour I understand you are exercising your freedom of speech but why ask people to not attend the closing if they have negative vibes on GCC. At the closing maybe media will be there and some can share their experiences good or bad. If this is the way some need closure on certain happenings in their lives encourage it. Some felt uncomfortable their whole time at GCC surely one day for others won't hurt to much. | ||
| usedtobethere Junior Member Username: usedtobethere Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 209.47.31.5 |
Help!  I am getting so damn sick of hearing about the exchange between nomadic and former_gcc_staff, that was one bloody incident in 38 years (btw not 37). Okay, it wasn't pretty and you are angry but you guys are adults and were recent staff. The past students, the 2nd gens of CofJ and GCC come first and they need the place and the space, GIVE IT UP. Those who keep drawing this forum back to nomadic and former_gcc_staff, GIVE IT A REST. Can we just PLEASE, PLEASE put it BEHIND US, it is totally taking this board off topic. As Jes said previously, we are micro managing your problem and it is turning into one big •••• pile in my humble opinion. | ||
| bettyboop New member Username: bettyboop Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.205.224.127 |
wow - some really intersting stuff going on here. wish i could attend the closing to see what ACTUALLY transpires. I'm predicting a bunch of really boring speeches and a bunch of hymns. Perhaps some chant. And alot of disturbingly well-behaved people. I certainly hope the Brockville Armoury has been alerted... On another note, Mike Irvine - I remember you. You were a great guy. Unfortunately your experience with Gord Mintz wasn't everyone's. He came across supercool to most. Do not be deceived - he could be an incredibly cruel person equally as susceptible to the thirst for power as many of Charles' more well-known underlings. | ||
| gayatgcc Junior Member Username: gayatgcc Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 65.94.113.25 |
I hope someone tapes the final ceremony. There are not enought drugs ... nor enough booze to get me in that chapel! F**k! Nothing could get me back to that place! GayAtGcc | ||
| bossman Junior Member Username: bossman Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
can we fault those who were groomed by f2 if that was all they knew at the time. | ||
| gayatgcc Junior Member Username: gayatgcc Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 65.94.113.25 |
FF was a sad man. I mentioned before that I dated one of his sons for about 1 1/2 years. Betty, she was a hoot! In their final days at GCC Betty was a HEAVY drinker .... HEAVY! FF would be so pi$$ed when I was over at their place. They eventually moved to Irace Dr (next door to GCC) and I visted ther often. I would do/say whatever I could to pi$$ off that old f**ker! He tortued me for over 4 years ... it was payback for me! | ||
| bettyboop New member Username: bettyboop Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.205.224.127 |
bossman: i find your post incredibly frightening. yes, we most definitely can fault those that were groomed by FF. child abuse is wrong. period. on top of that, mintz was not raised at gcc and did not come there until he was a young adult. he knew the other side. in fact, the majority of people in Ff's administration had experienced the "real world" before coming to gcc. | ||
| former_gcc_staff New member Username: former_gcc_staff Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 137.186.250.226 |
I don't know if I'm wording things wrong, being misread or a combo of both. As it is honestly not my objective to minimize what happened or make an excuse for anyone. I was merely trying to say there are a large amount of people at the school that have only been there a few years, who had no idea about any past abuse or cult involvement. Their only interest was as educators and caregivers. I'm just trying to say that those people should not be put in the same category as those that were involved in abuse or who knew about it and did nothing. That's all, I think that's fair. I apologize if I've come across as unsympathatic or demeaning in anyway. I will probably continue to read this forum but this will be my last post. (I know some of you are disapointed eh?) I hope for healing for everyone here that needs it. Good luck. Chad Poelman sideshowchad@yahoo.ca | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.168.38.92 |
rock_harbour I am so sorry that you did... If you have indeed had professional help, then you are aware that there are many paths to healing. This forum is not a 'show me yours, I'll show you mine' approach, rather, a place where people can go to discuss situations that outsiders may not understand. There is no competition here for the 'most hurt' award. As you said, you are still trying to sort out exactly what you feel regarding GCC closing. I think a lot of us are in the same boat. | ||
| questiongrrl New member Username: questiongrrl Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.156.78.8 |
re: bossman i think it is very difficult to know how to judge the culpability of individuals involved w/gcc. you're right to point out that some of these people were groomed by FF and that has an impact. however, there are SO many former staff members who have risked (and lost) everything in order to take responsibility for their actions - even those actions they did not freely choose. unfortunately, those involved in gcc leadership in later years knew all too well the pain that former staff, staff kids and students suffered. i have yet to see any of them apologize, take responsibility or reach out to those who were hurt... let alone get their input on how things might be improved. while i'm glad (truly) to hear that changes were made, i can't help feeling that it was on the backs of those of us who spoke out, but not to our benefit. the changes came only slowly and grudgingly. i can't help feeling that people in recent leadership knew better and chose not to act accordingly, regardless of the promises they made. | ||
| dan_grant New member Username: dan_grant Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.59.68.139 |
It seems to me that a lot of the people posting on this site are from a later time at GCC than myself and therefore I dont know what you are talking about and have not had to deal with your issues. I am sorry there is a lot of hurt and pain being shared. I want to address a few points. 1) Why spend the big $$$ with a professional shrink if you can let it out on this site where others who have had the same experiences can help you relate. Didn't the school always say correction in not rejection? So why not tell the world your story. 2) I have had several job/careers in my time and as an example I inspected pipelines in northern alberta. I did it for 6 months and the company was sold I was let go and never was there any concern of what I would do next. Nobody cried about me losing the job I simply went out and got another job. If the out going staff at GCC are "adults" then shut up, quit crying and go get another job. How many people posting here have said they are in financial difficulties yet not one has asked for a hand out. 3) If the Staff are teachers they have acredited certificates the indicate they can teach so go get a job as a teacher in another educational institution. If they are not teachers tell them to come out to calgary or alberta in general there is such a shortage of workers here and the pay is great...22.00 an hour for factory workers and the pay goes up for skilled trades. 4) Rock harbour sit back take a deep breath and relax...this is not the middle east and no one is going to attend the closing cerimonies and try to physically hurt anyone. This is a chance for them to finally let go of the past ghosts that still haunt them. These are my thoughts. I will not go because as I have said before it has been 24 years since I was expelled and in this time I have NEVER been contacted by the school or any of its people for any reasons. Later Dan | ||
| usedtobethere Junior Member Username: usedtobethere Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 209.47.31.5 |
dan_grant: Glad to see you on the board, hope this will get you in touch with old friends. The expelling and not allowing students to graduate with their peers was beyond cruel (so sorry for you and others here). It was just one last 'power play' for the old man, how sadistic. When you think of the ripple effect, very sad, student doesn't get to walk down the aisle with friends, doesn't get a diploma handed to them for a photo op by parents and parents don't get to see the reward of those long invested hours in studies and last but not least the $$$ spent often sacrifically to sent their child. Makes me mad and it was a more than a crying shame, it was criminal.  No thought given to this discipline, what was the lesson learned (oh you probably got the lingo and the riot act read to you) but seriously what was the purpose? It caused so much hurt and pain for you all being ostrasized plus the sadness of fellow students not having all their classmates with them when it should have been a day of 'celebration'. | ||
| usedtobethere Junior Member Username: usedtobethere Post Number: 36 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 209.47.31.5 |
P.S. Was there ever a year that this didn't happen, didn't we always hold our breath at grad time, hoping that no one would get the axe. I guess there was a purpose, the last ditch stand to attempt to keep students in line to the very last minute or you could get pulled from the 'walk down the aisle' or even worse from the banquet AND commencement. Now isn't that just the ultimate 'power play' and a 'just to prove who was in charge'. SICK 'stuff'. | ||
| bossman Junior Member Username: bossman Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
At the end of the day we are accountable for our own actions and thoughts. I was there for 5 years till 90-91 so I know about the hard times and paving the way for future students to hopefully have it better then us. I think I benefited from it immensely as it molded me to who I am today. I made a deal to stay there and not get expelled after "roughing" up a staff member. (the term F2 used when he called my parents at 2 am) | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 35 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
Rock_Harbour: first thing's first. The exchange between nomadic and fgs should be handled in private between the two of them as this forum is not the best place to re-count and resolve isolated events. I think that you'll find that was the opinion of most who commented on it regardless of their overall feelings towards gcc. So to that end, I don't agree with your assessment that she was summarily dismissed. Secondly (this under the assumption that you will be attending the closing), I'm a little confused as to exactly what position you're trying to take here. I thought that it was fairly obvious based on your initial post by you asking that those who were unhappy with their gcc experience not attend the closing out of respect for those whose time there was meaningful and positive - I assumed you were one of the latter (my Grandfather always told me never to assume....can't shake that). However in your reply to me, you state that you are "not unsympathetic to people's experiences here, as I have experienced much of it myself" (fyi..."here" is present tense and in this case meaning gcc. You never responded to my statement about you being gcc either current or ex-staff. Apparently, you're still at the school). Your initial post states that you've dealt with anger by simply letting it go. So taking these two posts in tandem, this is what I've put together: You were a gcc student whom experienced enough to leave you resentful, angry and wanting revenge. Somewhere along the line you managed to simply let these feelings go to the point where your experience at gcc has now become meaningful and positive. Am I on the right track? You are one of the fortunate few if I am. So having said all this, I have not proven anything as to your opinion that this forum is unhealthy and one-sided. Quite frankly, I think that the only thing I've proven here is that there is someone with very close ties to the school trying to trivialize the effectiveness of this forum and control who will attend the closing. I'm confident that I speak on behalf of many when I say that if I attend the closing, it will be to see friends of the past at a place which we had, for good or for bad, called home for a period of time in our collective lives. Rest assured that I have no desire to confront anyone who I do not respect nor like. These people do not deserve my time. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 55 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.143 |
To add to and perhaps clarify upon my expulsion the day I was expelled after breakfast that morning FF had a mtg with the senior class. He told them what had happened and asked them if they wanted to graduate with my sins in their midst. Apparently there was a vote or something and they all agreed that they did not want a jezabel in their grad class. Bare in mind I am not present for this, likely on the pot sink or something and I never knew till after. I hold nothing against anyone if this story is true, yes graduating properly is something we all kinda looked fwd to. But, I also understand and validate anyone who would have raised their hand to have me ex-communicated from the grad celebration. Strange times call for strange actions and again as I have said time and time again we were all teens back then and followed. Likely fearing some rath if they did not go with the flow... | ||
| breaker_19_girl Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 56 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.64 |
I think it was just another form of control and instiling fear in a flock all ready so broken and tortured. There is always a scape goat somewhere in life...not that I believe that to be fair. But, to use the phrase if they picked on me, it just meant they left some one else alone. Maybe this is a lil weird but I have kinda always thought that particular aspect of my expulsion to be funny. There was feedback after Grad: Some students telling me what I missed and others telling me what an idiot I was to have done what I had done. Some disgusted with me too... I kinda thought to some of them well you can kiss my ••• and others who seemed generally concerned for my welfare I had some sympathy. Yet I was the one the deed had been done too and put on secret trial and not even been allowed to present a defense on my own behalf. I know I broke the rules and don't get me wrong... I likely corrupted him (in kissing that boy) for life...OR NOT! But, it did seem a way out punishment to me... | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.135.63.149 |
Yuck. Breaker, that's just NASTY. It makes me ill to think of that happening. What was it, GCC Survivor??? Eew. I am SO SORRY. I also think it's so wonderful that Gordon Mintz brought the changes that he did. From everything I've heard the atrocities we experienced were truly a thing of the past. It's really too bad that it's too little, too late. Dan - Absolutely loved your post. The dogs sitting at my feet looked at me funny as I cheered with each point you made. I too have experienced major life changes that involved job change, and while I do not wish the staff ill, I know how those challenges were faith-building, character-building and trust-building. The staff who need to go find jobs are receiving severence pay, living quarters for a year, counseling opportunities, resume assistance: in short, unlike some job losses where people are left floundering, they are receiving assistance. Dan - if I had your address I would send you a gold-embossed invitation, from the ALUMNI saying how much fun it would be to shake your hand, give you a hug and say CONGRATULATIONS - you made it in spite of everything and are doing FANTASTIC. | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.230.9.226 |
This part still hurts me to this day. I was in GCC and in grade 12. I forget what exactly I did but I was on discipline. I was told by Jim McNeil to go to the dorm and pack for the trip to the Lake. I was walking out of the pot area and as you all know its noisy in there and Mrs Bushnell said where are you going? I told her maybe a bit loud but surely not yelling at her that I was off Discipline and went to pack. I was mostly packed when I was told to get back to the kitchen. I was not going on the trip. The next morning I went up to the cottage / lake with the Grade 12's. I was extremely furious. I was like a fireball. We came back from the cottage and I believe the next day or 2 was Graduation. I attended the dinner the day before Graduation but I was pulled out of the line up the morning of Graduation by Mrs Case and Childs. I will never forget the look on my Mother and Fathers face when they heard I would not be graduating with the rest of the class. I left before the ceremony with my parents against the request of the Dean of Men CF and DP. I was at my parents car and it was all loaded up. These men still wanted me to be on D until the end of graduation. This was the first and really only time I heard my father swear... "Get the F*** out of my way" I was actually scared, I never say my father so po'd before. The drive home was quiet. And when I got home I saw my grad picture up on wall next to my sister above the fireplace. And he told me how proud he was of me. I realized then how proud I was to be in my family and how special I was but at the same time, it hurt me knowing that I could not give my father the one thing he really wanted .... to SEE his son graduate high school. | ||
| cyberdo New member Username: cyberdo Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.207.69.129 |
Hey All, seems the best part about this forum is that I recognize some names from the past that would be great to get in touch with again Even thinking of attending the last reunion in Sept - anyone else up for that? Let's chat... Andrew Do | ||
| cyberdo New member Username: cyberdo Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.207.69.129 |
Hey All, seems the best part about this forum is that I recognize some names from the past that would be great to get in touch with again Even thinking of attending the last reunion in Sept - anyone else up for that? Let's chat... Andrew Do | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
hey Andrew....I remember you! How have you been? | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
hey Andrew....I remember you! How have you been? | ||
| mike_irvine New member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.59.81.250 |
andrew buddy...you have to go! a bunch of us, noonan, the ashton's, chris johnson and others are are going. it's going to be strange as hell but it will also be a blast! | ||
| hoperules New member Username: hoperules Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.98.217.186 |
Andrew - where is your sister at? I was in contact with her years ago off the Alumni website and lost touch. Last I heard she was living in Japan or something like that. Hopefully she is closer by and can make it for the weekend! You too by the way. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.166.88.86 |
so... anyone have thoughts on best places to stay? getting ready to book some accomo's and would love to have a chance to sneak into someone's room and smear toothpaste on their toilet seats... or unscrew the tops of their salt and pepper shakers... | ||
| bluesman New member Username: bluesman Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.79.247 |
Tom, Your's is another story of GCC unfairness and obsession over the trivial. Unfortunately you were the receiptant of meaness that was unnecessary. I hope your dad's reaction was helpful in dissipating any long lasting affects and hopefully putting things in perspective. How small GCC's power seems next to a father's pride in his son, especially when he son was supposedly so bad! | ||
| hoperules Junior Member Username: hoperules Post Number: 26 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.98.217.186 |
Roz - Someone told me that Dan Thompson has a pub in Brockville. It might be a kosher meeting place for us all! The Keystorm pub in Brockville. Just a thought. I have yet to contact Dan Thompson, but it might be a good mutual meeting place. I don't have him on facebook either. | ||
| dan_grant New member Username: dan_grant Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.59.68.139 |
Rozpriceenglish- Thank you for your very kind invite...i would attend if I could just to meet you and so many others who have let thier voice be heard. I don't think you and I attended at the same time, but if we did I believe you would have been one of the kinder souls. Tomrossini I know I dont know you, but that story you told makes me sick. I am so happy to hear how your dad handled the whole thing. As a father of two I made a vow when each of my children were born I would protect them no matter what. To this day they are the first and most important things in my life. I think your dad thought that about you. I would be proud of you if you were my son. Keep up the good fight everyone. This is one of the best things to come out of GCC. You are the better, stronger and wiser people for it. Later Dan | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 69.156.77.43 |
Tom, Great story! I can’t believe that they wanted you to go back on D after doing that to you and your family. The Nerve! I remember you although you were a little ahead of me. I am kind of shocked about a lot of the good things that I hear about Gord Mintz. Wow, he must have changed a lot. That guy was cruel. He made my life hell at times, and often told me that reforming me was his personal cause. I hated being his hobby! If I looked sideways, or even was suspected of something by him, I was on “D”. I was always being pulled out of bed to have discussions about my bad attitude late at night. Seems like he always took me to that staff apartment for a group session. I only learned a few months ago that he was headmaster. I would have never guessed. There must have been slim pickings for choosing the headmaster who will be the one to ride GCC down the tubes. I am sure that they knew if there wasn’t some kind of miracle, the school would have to close. The spending spree of F2 in the late 80’s and early 90’s was too much to recover from. I have never seen the inside of the new church, but it must have broken the bank! In my opinion the new church is decadent, and fiscally irresponsible! Serves them right! Gord Mintz was another one of those staff that did a 180 when parents were around. He had my parents fooled! I would explain the situations, and they would meet Mintz, and he would act like a saint. So nurturing and caring, but that changed as soon as he left. After a while I never bothered telling my parents about anything that happened at GCC. Maybe he changed, or maybe his previous behaviours were due to the influence of FF. Either way I hated his computer class, and his little office at the end of the hall on the 2nd floor. Seeing his smiling face on the GCC internet site strongly reminded me of how he would dupe my parents. Am I alone on this? | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 69.156.77.43 |
Tom, Great story! I can’t believe that they wanted you to go back on D after doing that to you and your family. The Nerve! I remember you although you were a little ahead of me. I am kind of shocked about a lot of the good things that I hear about Gord Mintz. Wow, he must have changed a lot. That guy was cruel. He made my life hell at times, and often told me that reforming me was his personal cause. I hated being his hobby! If I looked sideways, or even was suspected of something by him, I was on “D”. I was always being pulled out of bed to have discussions about my bad attitude late at night. Seems like he always took me to that staff apartment for a group session. I only learned a few months ago that he was headmaster. I would have never guessed. There must have been slim pickings for choosing the headmaster who will be the one to ride GCC down the tubes. I am sure that they knew if there wasn’t some kind of miracle, the school would have to close. The spending spree of F2 in the late 80’s and early 90’s was too much to recover from. I have never seen the inside of the new church, but it must have broken the bank! In my opinion the new church is decadent, and fiscally irresponsible! Serves them right! Gord Mintz was another one of those staff that did a 180 when parents were around. He had my parents fooled! I would explain the situations, and they would meet Mintz, and he would act like a saint. So nurturing and caring, but that changed as soon as he left. After a while I never bothered telling my parents about anything that happened at GCC. Maybe he changed, or maybe his previous behaviours were due to the influence of FF. Either way I hated his computer class, and his little office at the end of the hall on the 2nd floor. Seeing his smiling face on the GCC internet site strongly reminded me of how he would dupe my parents. Am I alone on this? | ||
| bluesman New member Username: bluesman Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.79.247 |
Dan G Good point about jobs closing often without warning and without any financial provision. Are the late GCC staff not able to take advantage of unemployment (an insurance policy of sorts that we all put into for just this type of situation....note nontaxable income) also re-training programs at schools funded by the government for those unemployed; financial supplements for families, esp during low income periods......Having the school close is better for each of these folks than if they had decided not to come back and left to seek other employment. In that situation none of these government programs would have been available to them. Like you, Dan, I am not insensitive to their plight, just noticing that not many people have a charitable foundation, or numerous alumni to rely on when things in the employment world fall apart for them. Might also want to mention that these are the moments that families can also be a support. Just that there are some good resources out there for those in this situation. | ||
| bluesman New member Username: bluesman Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.79.247 |
There has many much discussion on this thread about the nature of the culture at GCC during different periods of its history. Some people find it difficult to imagine that various forms of abuse were ever used to manipulate and control staff and students at a school where during their time there nothing of that nature was in evidence. Some seem to find it difficult to believe that anyone could have a positive experience at GCC. Some seem to find it difficult to believe that abuse was happening when they were there. Here is my guess. Like any social unit, history changes the culture of that unit. I can understand all those perspectives because every person's experience in life, even at the same place, is different. This is often true in a family. I think that the true identity of GCC is a collage of all of these experiences and perspectives. HOWEVER, this is not a situation of balancing the bad with the good so that everyone can continue to live happily ever after with their good memories and thoughts of the way it was for them. Shame on you for wanting to protect your own memory at the expense of negating someone's painful story. This is not like saying I like chocolate, I don't like vanilla; or I don't GCC, but I do like....; or I don't like uniforms but ...... We are talking here about inappropriate use of power to control other people. These are stories of abuse. We are talking here about right and wrong. These are not positive or negative experiences. Whether you were affected or not, whether you knew about it or not, whether it is difficult for you to believe it or not, if someone else experienced abuse in a school where you were a student or staff, that is unacceptable. Why are you trying to protect your memory at someone else's expense? Perhaps you should consider that what you have to celebrate is less now that what you knew previously. And if you did knew about these things previously, perhaps you should be making amends instead of celebrating something that is only partially true and pretending that its not. I would like to suggest that many people have protected the reputation of the school in hopes that it would make good. But it didn't. It closed, not because of these "negative" stories; it has closed by its own inability to make good. The closing of the school has allowed for these truths to come out in a way that far surpasses anything any person or group could have planned. Perhaps there is justice in the world. | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
Quote from Dan Grant---- I have had several job/careers in my time and as an example I inspected pipelines in northern alberta. I did it for 6 months and the company was sold I was let go and never was there any concern of what I would do next. Nobody cried about me losing the job I simply went out and got another job. If the out going staff at GCC are "adults" then shut up, quit crying and go get another job. How many people posting here have said they are in financial difficulties yet not one has asked for a hand out. 3) If the Staff are teachers they have acredited certificates the indicate they can teach so go get a job as a teacher in another educational institution. If they are not teachers tell them to come out to calgary or alberta in general there is such a shortage of workers here and the pay is great...22.00 an hour for factory workers and the pay goes up for skilled trades. 4) Rock harbour sit back take a deep breath and relax...this is not the middle east and no one is going to attend the closing cerimonies and try to physically hurt anyone. This is a chance for them to finally let go of the past ghosts that still haunt them. These are my thoughts. I will not go because as I have said before it has been 24 years since I was expelled and in this time I have NEVER been contacted by the school or any of its people for any reasons. Later------end of quote. Just posting these thoughts(incase anyone missed them above) from Dan as I think they are soooo well said!! Good to have you on board here Dan and of course I remember your from our GCC days. You take care--------Dawn p.s---I have read so many posts in the last few days that I can't remember why you said you were expelled. WTF??!!! I can't remember? Sorry!! | ||
| dan_grant New member Username: dan_grant Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.59.68.139 |
Hi Dawn No problem I have not told my story of why I was expelled but since you asked here it is. My grief started early in the school year when a young girl was having a tough time and I wrote her a letter. I signed it "I love you". The staff searched the girls room for whatever and found the letter. I was pulled out of bed confronted and put on pots for about 2 month. I was under scrutiny for months after that and one thing after the other was piled up against me. Fooling around with girls got me into such huge trouble ( it was a hormone induced time) I was suspended for things I didnt do and got away with things I did do. The final straw that got me expelled was when I had a hands on session with a young lady in the old chappel balcony during the G & S perfornamce of Pirates. (I was the original chief of police replaced by Paul Tingley) The girls sister I am told heard about the situation from her sister and informed the staff. The girl was held after grad for a few days and I was expelled. I hold no anger towards the girl or her sister. I hear the girl is happy with her experiences at GCC and read her sister's unhappy posts on this site. I blame myself, if I was stronger and not so influenced by teenage lust I might have been able to go on the grade 12 class trip and walk down the Isle grad day. As it is I grew up outside the school and am a happy healthy red blooded canadian. Later all Dan | ||
| dan_grant New member Username: dan_grant Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.59.68.139 |
P.S Dawn are you on face book at all? I would like to catch up with you on you, hugh and your mom. If so let me know I am on face book under danny grant. I have a simpsonized picture...ugly like me. Later Dan | ||
| tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 69.156.78.32 |
"I blame myself, if I was stronger and not so influenced by teenage lust I might have been able to go on the grade 12 class trip and walk down the Isle grad day." Good grief!! You were being normal!! You were not assaulting these girls, you weren't dragging them there to be with you. You and they were being normal. You were a teenage boy, they were teenage girls....nothing abnormal or to be guilty about. Now yes, you broke one of the cardinal rules, you broke the 6 inch rule. Scrub some pots, ok, trim the grass with scissors, ok. Rob you of your grad....not cool The punishment in this place NEVER fit the crime. That isn't your fault, it's theirs. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.235 |
I think I might stand out and say while I agree that no real public apology has been made to former students and or staff kids and even EX staff who chose to get out, I personally can say I have been apologized to. Okay, perhaps not by anyone who actually tormented me but my a former EX staff who has read several of my postings and this particular indivdual has allowed me the chance to ask questions and share my story. This individual has complimented me and actually helped to build some of my self esteem up. As, mentioned not a former tormentor but still somebody who has seen what we have seen and been through with their family (I might add) a lot of what we went through. Without discussing detail I believe it was worded to me in such a way that I wanted to cry...they said they were "tormented by their friends." While I agree they had no reason to have to really apologize to me and likely were not the source of too many of anyone else's torments I think it was big of this person to ctct me and offer me their kind words and their invitation to feel free to talk to them and ask questions. I respect this indidual and family more and more each day. I might add too that this particular person was a fine educator as well. But, I do agree that perhaps the tormentors themselves ought to see the light and perhaps make and attempt to make ammends and it is not up to former staff and or staff kids to apologize and frankly it picks my ••• when they feel that they have too apologize. When we now know some of the tortures they have been subjected too over their lives. I guess just another fall out where people feel like they are quilty be association and feel as though they somehow share in a burden that is not theirs to carry. The tormentors feel as though they have done nothing wrong and even if deep down inside they know they have.... It is going to take some sort of strange ephipahny or nightmare like Ebeneser Scroooge had to see the error of their ways. Although Jesus taught to turn the other cheek I personally have no problem waiting on what goes around will eventually come around. And, no matter where any of us is in this world I am sure the news will reach every single one of us some how and some way when it does. | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.119 |
Hi Dan, I just read one of your earlier posts, and I must say I am so sorry to hear you as well went through so much crap, but from what I gather you have come along way. Cheers to you!! I remember that time very well, and I remember knowing about the incident in the chapel balcony, because I remember talking to my sis and saying You guys are nuts...if you get caught...I can assure you I did not tell any staff, and I am so sorry to hear you have thought this for so many years.I remember all too well going home that Saturday with my parents, and leaving my sis behind, and thinking this is crazy our parents had no idea they were not bringing home the both of us.I got the grunt of it all the way to Toronto it was awful!!!I can so assure you I never would have mentioned this to any staff, as I would not betray my sis, and it would also be suicide for me. Our parents were so ••••••, and embarrassed at the same time. The whole thing was just so pathetic, and Danny I am so sorry for you, and everyone else who didn;t get to graduate over the years, because of such normalteenage things. P.S. My 18 year old daughter Kesla is staying with my sister for the summer, and working. | ||
| certavi_et_vici Junior Member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.178.135.62 |
Gordon Mintz must have changed, because he was cruel when I was there. He and Don Farnsworth told me in one light session, “You have no human rights!”. This statement inspired me. My first job upon graduating from university was working for the UN as a human rights advocate. What Satan intended for evil, God can use for good. When my parents were visiting I was treated like gold. My mother said, “These Canadians are such lovely people”. Little did they know, the people in question were American cult members. Even more bizarre were the private counselling sessions with Chuck Farnsworth about my spiritual development. | ||
| spain New member Username: spain Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.204.209.196 |
Liane, I am also one of those former staff, and I do apologize also. I remember you well, and I don't think I was ever mean to you, but I don't trust my memory either.... | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
Dan-----Thanks for sharing your story!! WTF!! What a stupid thing to get expelled for--you sinner you broke the 6 inch rule  No, I am NOT on Facebook that is one thing I am staying away from because I barely have time to keep up with this site and other things. But thanks for the offer. My son is on facebook so I'll have him bring up your handsome pic for me. Have a good day everyone | ||
| breaker_19_girl Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.138 |
Spain, Thank you for your apology and frankly I have no idea who you are. If you would like to let me know privately I can keep your secret I promise. But, your apology is accepted. I know the staff that was mean to me... I know too some of them were only doing their jobs and I have said that before. I know some were just followers. If you do ctct me I will let you know.... hahahaha... kidding. It would seem to me though that if you are here and posting here that you were likely pretty cool. I have said before that people who are apologizing to us have no reason to. I appreciate it sooooo much but I think that you all need some apologizing too. My apologies I have made private to some people. I thought honestly that staff kids were out to get us sometimes and I thought that some staff were too and I never realized the terror that you all felt as well. Because we could not share and talk back then. Honesty was a lie... and a lie was the truth... So, many us followed that and believed that. Obvioulsy so many of us knew something was not right but we also had to trust that something was so we fell into whatever we fell into. It molded us to some degree and it made us stronger too... I mean I read the stories of acheivement and the stories of parenting here and I am thankful that so many went on and persevered. I am thankful that people like Purg and Waggy exist and have the lil gifts in their children that they do and that their expereinces only made them love stronger. I walked away as mentioned before with the inabilty to trust especially myself and the inability to love. Now, that is not entirely the fault of GCC as my home life was not any better and it has taken me a long time to grip that and come to terms. It is this website and re connecting with you all and meeting new people that has really helped me...and I thought that GCC was a part of my life I wanted to bury for good. I am so happy it never got buried now. Thats my story, and thanks to every one else for theirs. But, Spain...now I am curious.... if you are comfortable TELL ME WHO YOU ARE privately.. I am on a need to know basis and I need to know everything!! | ||
| breaker_19_girl Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 67 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.138 |
Another thing I think is cool...is that in each generation the school was small enough that we could know everyone and remember everyone. I think it is cool that I was not that insignificent and that so many people including staff do remember me... Spain, lianeross@porchlight.ca | ||
| mike_irvine New member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.59.81.250 |
hey bettyboop! wish i knew who you were but understand and respect the anonymity. a few people have mentioned the other side of gord mintz that i never saw. i really saddens me to learn that as he was always very kind to me. i knew that a lot of the staff showed drastically different sides of themselves to different people but had no idea that he was one of them. on another note it makes me really happy to see former staff, staff kids and CofJ folks on here. i had so many dear friends that stayed at gcc or went to CofJ so it's wonderful to see that some of you have successfully started over. it must have been tremendously difficult to leave and i have all the respect in the world for you for doing it. (Message edited by mike_irvine on August 16, 2007) | ||
| breaker_19_girl Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.115 |
Well Put Mike..... the courage is so evident!! I am glad that they did too and became so successful.... | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.230.9.226 |
hmmm... Now I am wondering who Spain is.... I never had any real issues with my gym teacher Mr P.... but not sure if that is who Spain is. Well I am on facebook if Spain or anyone is willing to tell me who you are | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
So have they announced any concrete plans regarding the September 29th ceremonies yet? Im afraid of booking a flight and then having them cancel the whole deal. | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 42 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
Mike-----Haven't heard any definite plans yet. But I'm sue Bob C. will keep us updated(GOD!). Here is what I'm wondering. How much will they charge a head for people to come because I sure as hell can't see them being able to afford doing this without charging?? | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.131.208.188 |
I have been trying to get an idea of what is going on. I did email Nancy Smith, and they will be needing help. Sounds like it will be a Saturday afternoon/evening event. At that point, no one will be getting paid, and I think it would be great if the alumni were able to be involved. I am a bit disappointed that there hasn't been any kind of communique requesting ideas for what WE would like to do/see. I would hazard a guess that a Sunday service would be in the works, but I would love to be given the option to be involved either through singing or reading etc. After all, it was OUR school too. So far, there is no word on cost, which surpises me as well - how can they foot the bill for the whole thing? IMO, it would be appropriate for there to be some online collaboration and scheduling to garner alumni involvement and support for this special occasion. Many of us are coming from quite a distance, and need to plan way out in advance. Just my .02 cents... | ||
| dignityquest New member Username: dignityquest Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 99.245.112.186 |
WOW! In the day and a half I've been on this site, I'm floored with the number of responses. I was a student but a staff member for a lot longer than a student. I want to respond specifically to Former GCC staff and Rock harbour. I feel I have 13 years of experience and 21 years of keeping in touch and the fact that my Mother still lives there that I can talk with some credibility. Grenville and CofJ created a climate of abuse and oppression that cannot be erased by the presence of some "good" staff (which I hope I was usually one of). Secondly, though the school made significant directional changes in the last several years, it failed to sytematically reach out to its many living corpses that it created. A large portion of their remaining staff seemed to me to apologize for "incidents" but failed to seem the pattern of destruction created by giving God-like power to mere humans with little or now checks and balances. One of my greatest regrets is that after left in 1986 I did not formally charge the people who abused me at a time when it could have prevented others from facing it. So the class action lawsuit is something to be thoughtful about, but certainly not dismissed out of hand. Also, the expose or news story that would contradict the rosy "we're loving Christians" picture would have been a just and right thing to do and still may be. Much more importantly, ANY questioning or critisicm of the path people have taken for their own healing, including the posts on this site is a perpetuation of the abuse and MUST stop. Lastly, as I have mentioned my now 92 year old mother Eva still lives there, but I would strongly oppose any form of encouraging alumni, many of which faced horrors they will never totally be able to fully get over, to be asked for money for staff that are being displaced. If you have a personal friendship or relationship and want to help, that is different, but a GCC lead fundraising campaign, I beleive would be insensitive and degrading. My email is jeffrey.wilkinson@peelsb.com. I welcome posts and any personal responces. Warmly, Jeff | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.162.175.129 |
dignityqust, Welcome!! I have enjoyed hearing from you, and specifically your comment: ...failed to sytematically reach out to its many living corpses that it created.... I so agree with that comment. So much happened while I was there, but my biggest regret was that even after I left, I tried so hard to keep in touch. After years went by, I tried so hard to start being HONEST about how I actually felt about everything. In all that time, no matter how bad anyone felt, how 'convicted' they were about needing to change etc, I received NO communication from ex-staff or current staff asking for forgiveness, looking to set things straight etc. Additionally, even after the lightbulb went on, and they realized that they actually needed the alumni, I did not see any attempts to reconcile ex and current students/staff etc. In short, while there may have been 'shifts' in how things were run, the same secret, 'you leave you're out' mentality seemed to be present. I can only hope that someday CoJ will experience a similar wakeup call - attrition is costly and debilitating to any organization. | ||
| dignityquest New member Username: dignityquest Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 99.245.112.186 |
rozprice, Amazing, I so echo your thoughts. I ask so many times for the outreach to be done that after a while I thought I must just be misunderstanding. My regret is that I left it up to them to do the outreach when I could have done it myself. When did you go, Were you afer I left ('86, though was at the Community maost of '83-86). I think a painful but neccessary reality to understand is that they really didn't want to do the "messy" work. Only one of the people most involved in my abuse ever apologized. Take care, Dignityquest (Jeff) | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 49 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.162.235.200 |
(sorry for all the bolded text - my techbad) Jeff, I was there as a student 89-90, then as staff until 92/93ish (I'm horrible with dates). While it was difficult for me to leave, it was even more difficult to accept that there was no room for me once I left. Over time I went through all the grieving stages, and in the end, people seemed genuinely happy to see me when I would visit. I did get an apology, though not from FF as I had hoped, from Joan Childs on behalf of the community. I was pretty much a fly buzzing around their heads for 10 years or so, and I finally gave up trying to keep friendships - I still have one person I try to keep in touch with, but their lives are not condusive to outside friendships. I have my own theories about that too... I was on staff, Jeff, so in a way I do hold some culpability. I apologize for all those that won't. What happened to you was WRONG. You are to be commended for the life you've built for yourself, and for trying to keep communication open with your mother - I am sure that it cost you emotionally. I also apologize for having my head up my ••• and choosing not to see or speak out against how we treated students and how we treated each other . } | ||
| jc19801983 New member Username: jc19801983 Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.94.116.200 |
Hi I don't come on here all that often, but wanted to leave my email address and would love to hear from people jade9841@yahoo.com julie campbell 1980-82 grade 9 and 10 | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 50 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.162.88.223 |
Something from Nancy Smith regarding the closing: "I am working on the schedule for the weekend, but I’m waiting for some answers before I can send out a broadcast message. We would love to have people join the choir for Sunday and yes, we will have a church service with a coffee hour following…unfortunately we can’t swing brunch (our kitchen will be closed, and we’re hiring caterers for the dinner). I don’t think Fr. Farnsworth will be leading the service, but sometimes he assists. I have no idea what his plans are or if he will even be at the event. We can talk further about the songbook. I think it’s a great idea. Would you be willing to post something on Facebook that says we are very sorry but we can’t use the residences for accommodations, so people will have to book hotel rooms….and that just as soon as I can get enough of a schedule figured out, I will be sending out a broadcast. It would be great if the Facebook people would also sign into the Alumni directory through our website." | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Well, im going regardless. If they cant afford to do anything at the school..then perhaps a bunch of us can hook up at a separate location and catch up!! | ||
| bettyboop New member Username: bettyboop Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.205.224.127 |
hi all - as per usual, too many days have passed since i've been able to make it back on to read what's going on in this incredible forum. this is all very intense. glad to see (well, i'm not glad, but i hope you know what i mean), that i am not alone in seeing g. mintz as something other than a saint. i'm so haunted by the stuff that man did to me... sounds as though many people are planning on going to the closing and it will be quite the reunion. wish i could be there if only to see you guys... on, and bluesman - somehow your eloquent post from a few days ago seems to have gotten skipped over. i found your thoughts on differing opinions, abuse, etc. VERY powerful. if you guys missed it, go back and read it. incredible! | ||
| tabby1979 New member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
Yes, I saw that post by Bluesman...I read it over a couple of times, very well said Bluesman. "Here is my guess." I think your guess is right-on Bluesman. Tabby | ||
| jes_noonan Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.17.84 |
I haven't commented on Mintz yet because I know that the staff at gcc now reads these posts. This is my one post on the subject: When I was a student the two dean of men were GM and JM, and I believe that BillB was the assistant dean. In my situation, BillB was my "good cop" and they all knew that I would listen to him more than the other two because he was my fam head, b-ball coach, track coach, etc. I had one talk in grade 9 with GM and JM which I believed was in confidence and sure enough it wasn't. I completely tuned them out for the rest of my time at gcc and as a result they became the "bad cops". So to this end, my experience with GM at gcc was a forgettable one. His opinion meant nothing to me. Sure, he had put me on D several times which was fine, was involved in light sessions with me which was fine too. But because he betrayed my trust so early on coupled with the fact that I had a problem with father-type figures anyways, I just never gave him a second thought. He was just something that I had to deal with and move on. In hindsight he and JM made an issue I was already struggling with much worse, but that was the extent of it. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 52 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.129.233.63 |
Just wanted to give a shout to anyone who hasn't booked a place to stay... Rooms seem to be in fairly short supply, you may want to reserve ASAP. KRWG and I are staying at the Royal Brock - would love to have others there too... | ||
| cyberdo New member Username: cyberdo Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.207.69.129 |
Hi All, nice to hear from you again - still up in the air as to whether I can attend at the moment but would be good to get in touch with you all anyway - send me an email at andrewcdo@gmail.com and let's chat Catherine is still in HK, has a daughter and husband; Stephanie is also living in Vancouver - plenty more but I don't think everyone else wants me taking up this forum with my personal history... Talk to you soon, Andrew Do (1989-1991, otherwise class of '93/'94(?) | ||
| gcc_bessy New member Username: gcc_bessy Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.97.192.103 |
Hey Andrew, Glad to see you are doing well, I went to school in those years with you but before we had met at St.Francis. I saw on the GCC web site you have a daughter? I have three kids, two girls and a boy. I am going to try and make it to the closing, hope to see you there. How long have you been on the discussion board for? Pretty creepy things going on at the school eh? I never quite knew the severity of eveything although I was aware of the frequency. Many's a day I awoke to another person missing... Does anyone remember when the CofJ took back all the kids , what year? | ||
| jes_noonan Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 74 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.17.84 |
pretty sure it was '91-'92. Our grade 11 year. | ||
| b1acksheep New member Username: b1acksheep Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 65.196.54.199 |
They didn't take me back...haha! Too much of a liability for public school. | ||
| questiongrrl New member Username: questiongrrl Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 67.71.153.159 |
so blacksheep, can you shed some light on this enduring mystery? i mean, what happened?? i hope you are not implying that public school would have been better than grenny?? | ||
| b1acksheep New member Username: b1acksheep Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 65.196.54.199 |
?grrl, I am a little bit hazy on the matter as it was over 17 years ago but will give it a wack. Just one of those community things where the powers that be decided that the CoJ kids didn't belong at GCC. I know at the time we were all taking lots of heat for our attitudes and I think BP pulled the plug on the whole thing. Not sure if there was a shift in allegiances between the community and gcc at the time. I can't speak with any real knowledge because I survived the mid-night massacre and was the only coj kid left up there for another 2 years. | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 47 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
hey BLACKSHEEP---Did they not want you back there? You •••• disturber.  Hey, I went through something similar when I was a Novice(ok stop laughing). I wanted to be at the CofJ but they had me staying at GCC for much too long!! Anyways, do you think the midnight move had to do with just pure and simple CONTROL? Where you CofJ kids just having too mucy freedom and they wanted to keep better tabs on you? God, they are all home schooled now. God forbid they get schooled in a "normal" school and interact with other kids!! Just my thoughts. | ||
| gcc_bessy New member Username: gcc_bessy Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.97.192.103 |
All CofJ kids are home schooled? Wow, what a way to keep outsiders out and the insiders in. While I think the community is a great concept, ( a small community living for God) I really hope the "plug is pulled" so that all the kids have options (and no more abuse). From what I understand the couple of years at GCC there was many staff that moved into town and continued to work at the school and visa versa many staff who chose to live at the Community of the Good Sheppard while working in town. It would be nice if something like this took place at the community. When I was in school any staff kid that left was not talked about...anyone remember Julie Rawson? Speaking of which is there anyone here still at the community? I have been trying to find out about Laura Phelan...any info?? Sorry I am kind of all over here... Has anyone heard if they are allowing any Community kids to come to the closing? If so who? | ||
| lightsout New member Username: lightsout Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.100.140.96 |
i don't remember what year it was that the cofj pulled the kids - it was after my grad - '91 and before i left the cofj in '96 i vaguely remember it was mid-year too - suddenly they were all back at the cofj....i could be wrong though... | ||
| lightsout New member Username: lightsout Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.100.140.96 |
Laura Phelan is married to Peter McKendree and is at the CofJ - to my knowledge. No kids to my knowledge. Works at Paraclete Press. Co-Owns one of the homes at the CofJ. | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 48 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
HEY gcc_bessy----Judging by your past post you were probably at GCC well after me(I graduated in '85). I have put some feelers out to see if there are any from the CofJ coming to the closing. I know there is a Choir Tour during this time so that will exclude ALOT of them. But I hope some of them can make it. Laura is happily married and living at the CofJ. Sadly I do not see her enough!! Julie Rawson married her highschool sweetheart(who also went to GCC)and they have 2 lovely children. And of course the staff kids that left were NOT to be talked about. As we were such BAD examples! God forbid we make our own choices and move on with our lives! I remember walking out of a staff kid meeting one day because they were bad mouthing my brother who had left a few years before. FF said it I walked out the door to not turn back. So I took him literally and got on the first train to TO and spent a wonderful weekend at UofT with a past graduate. Of course I ended up crawling back for more abuse and to finish my highschool years. | ||
| westcedar1 New member Username: westcedar1 Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.218.195.173 |
I never really found out what happend that sent the CofJ kids home in the early 90s. Matt A told me he and Mike L broke into the General Store. But that does not explain everyone. It did not happen all at once. It was over a few days. 25% the first day, 50% the following and the rest of the kids the following. I am surpised I never found out the real story Chris Johnson | ||
| hightide New member Username: hightide Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 199.231.28.56 |
what is this about the closing ceremony being Dec. 31st instead of Sept. 29th? What a horrible time to do that! Most people are visiting family and traveling during that time of year! Sept. is a way better time for such an event. If people really want to go they should make a concerted effort to have that date changed back. I guess if GCC wants to have people choose between the ceremony and their families then there won't be many people there. | ||
| questiongrrl New member Username: questiongrrl Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 67.71.153.159 |
hightide, what is this?? i hadn't heard anything. | ||
| wagener84 Junior Member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 199.214.192.50 |
THE DEC 31 POSTING ON FACEBOOK IS A TECHNICAL ERROR. THE GCC CLOSING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPT 29th FROM 12:00 NOON UNTIL MIDNIGHT. YOU MUST REGISTER AND PURCHASE YOUR TICKET (DINNER) FROM NANCY SMITH AT GCC. | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.230.9.226 |
RE: Closing Banquet.... Cost of each ticket $50 this includes a $25 non tax deductable donation to GCC retirement fund. The Event will be heavily attended by past and present staff / Members of CoJ and GCC. Father Farnsworth, Betty as well as Mr Dargie and Rev Gordon Mintz will all be sharing the headtable while the Mac Neil family will be next to them. The rest of the tables will be filled with the staff of GCC and members of the CoJ. Those Alumni that wish to attend must realize that they will be performing various duties from food preparation, to the dish crew to food put away, and servers ( we still have the black vests and bow ties) Spouses and children of the Alumni will be able to eat behind the kitchen on picnic tables and disposable plastic wear. 1 napkin per person. Alcoholic beverages are free for those in the Dining room but for those out back, there will be a Cash bar available. Visitors will only be permitted entrance to the Dining room and the restrooms. The staff residences, Murry and Case hall will be closed along with the second and third floors of the school,as well as the rest of the first hall. The chapel and theatre will also be closed. Anyone that attempts to take a "souvenir" will be escorted to the head table and subsequently will be involved in a 3 hour light session followed by a paddling. **NOTE** The above is all in jest and should not be taken seriously. Have a wonderful day | ||
| hoperules Junior Member Username: hoperules Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.98.217.186 |
ha ha ha! I started reading it and was taking it seriously. LMAO!!!! I love it. Aside from the $50 ticket cost, it all sounds about right. I'm expecting the tickets to be at least $100, if it's going to be a catered event. | ||
| gcc_bessy New member Username: gcc_bessy Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.97.192.103 |
I was reading Tom Rossini's post to my husband who was unsure if he should believe it!! Okay on a serious note, does anyone have any idea about the cost of tickets? Have a good weekend!! | ||
| gcc_bessy New member Username: gcc_bessy Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.97.192.103 |
I was reading Tom Rossini's post to my husband who was unsure if he should believe it!! Okay on a serious note, does anyone have any idea about the cost of tickets? Have a good weekend!! | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.230.9.226 |
Well I did say.... **NOTE** The above is all in jest and should not be taken seriously. | ||
| pootietang New member Username: pootietang Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 209.190.196.242 |
Tom, You had me going there! My blood was boiling as I read your posting. Then I saw the end. Good one | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.129.236.188 |
Tom, Ha ha ha. Ouch. Isn't it sad that that was EXACTLY (or so close you could spit on it) the experience that so many staff/students had?... They watched from the back of the kitchen doors, and observed how wonderful it was to special. I know you meant it in jest. And I did find it funny. But it also brought back some sad feelings for the people who were always in the 'background', never really complained, and were never truly given the credit or time off they deserved. Instead, they were saddled with young people who were hurting so badly... (D kids) I still remember Mr. Isola - such a beautiful spirit... and Keith B... and Bob B.... they worked the background. I don't remember ever seeing them rewarded... Sigh. Good and bad. Fun and work. Hard and soft. Pain and agony. Joy and despair. I feel like a walking dicotomy. How exhausting. So good to have a place where people understand my dual memories... And I didn't say it before, but Bluesman, LOVED that post you did earlier. | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.238.3.231 |
WOW... what is really scarry is that I made up the above post... being a bit of a Smar A$$... But after readying my post and Nancy's email, I am not that far off Saturday Beginning at 12 noon: We will have a casual time for visiting on the front lawn outside the chapel all afternoon. Please bring lawn chairs, lunch, snacks, and beverages and enjoy reconnecting with old friends and staff. (For those that are coming a long distance, we will have extra chairs; we just don’t have enough for everyone.) The main building will be open during the afternoon, with the exception of Case House and the high school floors, which will be open from 4-5:30 p.m. Unfortunately Murray House has been closed this past year for repairs and won’t be open at all. The gyms will be available for basketball, volleyball and possibly badminton. The river will be available for swimming (at your own risk). 4 – 6:00 p.m. Silent Auction and Memorabilia Sale – Community Room 6:00 p.m. Buffet Dinner/Entertainment – Dining Room Dress: Business casual Sunday 9:30 a.m. Choir practice for any Alumni who would like to participate 10:30 a.m. Worship service Coffee hour following either outside (or in the KFL, if it’s raining) People will be free to use the river again in the afternoon. RESERVATIONS: To make reservations for the event, you may e-mail gcccelebration@gmail.com or beginning this Monday, August 27th at 8:30, you can call Danielle Lalonde at 613-345-5521, ext. 3351 to make your reservation. (Please don’t leave messages over the weekend.) After Sept. 5th please call Nancy Smith at ext. 2227 Cost: $50 per person *Please include the following: Full name of each individual attending Payment method Credit card# Expiration date Phone number Food restrictions Please understand that the only way we can cover the cost of the weekend is to receive your payment BEFORE the event, and this will be the ONLY way to hold your reservation. Reservations will be first come, first served. PLEASE NOTE: The deadline for reservations will be on September 20th or earlier, if we reach our capacity of 350 seats for the dinner. After that names will be added to a waiting list. *ALSO: Invitation confirmations on Facebook cannot be considered reservations. We must have the information listed above at the e-mail or phone number provided. This includes those of you who may have previously indicated to me that you would be coming to this event. ACCOMODATIONS: Unfortunately, since the school is closed now, we will be unable to provide you with accommodations in our residences. Instead we are looking into reserving blocks of rooms in some of the area hotels at discount rates. I will send out prices on these as soon as we receive this information, hopefully early next week. QUESTIONS: Contact Nancy Smith at 613-345-5521, ext. 2227 or nsmith@grenvillecc.ca | ||
| sandrabrownearly New member Username: sandrabrownearly Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 72.66.131.168 |
Is anyone coming into Brockville Friday night? My sisters and I were wondering if we could have a little get together that evening...any ideas from those who know the Brockville area? I know a bunch of us are staying at the Royal Brock. (Which sounds so much nicer than saying the Quality Inn!) Any place nearby to get together? Thanks! Sandra (Brown) Early | ||
| lightsout New member Username: lightsout Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.100.140.96 |
i am staying at the royal brock and will be there Friday. there is a restaurant at the hotel and a bar? i think? i also heard a past student (Dan Thompson) owned a pub - and maybe someone has contacted him about a GTG there? | ||
| cryfreedom Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 54 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
HEY BRENDA, SANDRA AND DEBRA-------I would love to see you guys and meet others. So if you are coming in Friday night for sure give me a call or an e-mail and I might come up Friday night to hang with you guys. There is a bar in town called the Key Stone(Storm-something like that?),which I hear is pretty nice and I think that is the one that Dan owns. I would be up for meeting anywhere. Just don't count me in for Saturdays festivities. Still don't think I can do it. Take care------Dawn | ||
| sorry_wrong_number New member Username: sorry_wrong_number Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.16.97 |
My hubby and I plus my two kids and possibly another ex-gcc'r will be arriving on Friday. We will be staying at the Royal Brock as well..pool for the kids!! I am wondering who else will be bringing their kids/hubby? Also how many people are registered for the Saturday dinner. Am wondering if most will meet off site for dinner as opposed to a formal sit down affair. I hear you cryfreedom...that's why I asked about Saturday night? Thoughts anyone? jayla@cogeco.ca If you prefer to email me directly here's my email address. | ||
| hoperules Junior Member Username: hoperules Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.98.217.186 |
I most definately will not be going for the dinner. I don't think I could stomach it, nor have them ask for money to my face. Hang out on the lawn in the afternoon - yes. | ||
| rozpriceenglish Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 65 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.132.203.169 |
add two more to the royal brock crew. we'll (me and krwg) be in on friday - would love to get together for dinner/drinks! anyone book a massage at the spa at royal brock yet?... i'm thinking it will be a perfect 'treat'... i'm reserving for sat pm at the school, but am flexible depending on circumstances/better offers. ;) all i know is that waggy has promised a tailgate beverage service... woo hoo! | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.71.120.15 |
Does anyone know how the reservations work?? I'm booked at the Royal Brock, and I really want to see my long lost friends in the afternoon at GCC, but as I have told some of my friends I don't think I could handle the dinner. I'd rather sit in my room during that time period wearing my kilt, and getting •••• faced!!! Do you have to pay 50$ to attend the afternoon get together, and enter the Holy grounds of GCC, or is the 50$ just for the dinner???In the memo it says the cost is to cover the weekend events(not just the dinner). | ||
| hoperules Junior Member Username: hoperules Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.98.217.186 |
I think the $50 dinner covers the cost of dinner and after church coffee etc. I mean really, they are asking us to bring our own snacks and bevies! No dinner for me either. My kilt...I burned in some Toronto forest right after I left GCC. Also, along with the ritual was my little boyfriends plaid ties. It wasn't the smartest thing to do in forest, but gratifying all the same! Purg - I have a feeling several people will be joining you or be willing to partake at a local pub! | ||
| cryfreedom Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
HEY CATHERINE----I can't see any reason why anyone would have to pay the $50 just to hang out and visit with friends. You are bringing your own chairs and food for God sake. So I wouldn't even worry about phoning to make reservatations. In my humble opinion. | ||
| current_gcc_dweller New member Username: current_gcc_dweller Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 207.61.101.2 |
Let me just start by saying WOW! I am among a group of past and present teachers who have just recently found this site. We are all part of the "new" certified teachers that have taught at GCC, starting from 1999 onwards. None of us did our homework about GCC before accepting a position there. Although it was one of the greatest jobs I had; great kids, all the resources you could ask for, lots of parental support. You can't find all of that at once in the public system. There are a few things that have frustrated me reading all of these messages; like Kaity S's accusations about the school when she was there in 2002-2005, and about St Lawrence Christian Academy. Kaity you have no idea what you are talking about. You are comparing being given detention for misbehaving, not doing your work, being disruptive in class (all things that I can attest to when I worked there) to these peoples' horrible life altering experiences. Also you talk about your father being brought there to make changes; the changes happened long before your family arrived - you don't know what you are talking about! And your family was not pushed away; your father's contract was not renewed because he wasn't doing his job properly. You mother was moved around from job to job because she didn't do her's properly either, and therefore was fired. Please get your facts straight before jumping into these chats. St Lawrence Academy is a completely different entity from GCC; yes the teachers remain the same, and the students remain the same; however the blue prints of this school are much different. There is an open book policy for all parents, teachers, and board members to know exactly where the money is going. All teachers are making the same amount of money - which is actually a raise for most. The board has no COGS members on it; it is comprised of a vary diverse group of people all with expertise in different areas. The teachers are all qualified with OCT and are very capable positive people. Give it a chance, people can change. | ||
| sorry_wrong_number New member Username: sorry_wrong_number Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.141.16.97 |
current_gcc_dweller: While I can appreciate and respect your own personal views on teaching at GCC and that you found it to be "one of the greatest jobs you've had" I do take issue with the statement that the new school will be completely different. I hope it will for the sake and safety of the students, and that from a monetary perspective they will be sound, my issues stem from the fact that... One of the administrators will be a long standing member of GCC and one that I KNOW knew of the abuse and actively participated in it. IMHO-for any change to occur...a fresh start if you will...there has to be a realization that you need to change...an admission that something was wrong or didn't work. This hasn't occurred... Perhaps this won't be an issue, perhaps b/c it is a day school there won't be any abuse perhaps it will be a fantastic school that takes the best parts of the former and adds something brilliant.... You have to understand from our perspective (those former GCC'rs that suffered) that the LAST thing we would ever want is for the abuse to continue in whatever shape or form. THAT is where our concern stems from... | ||
| wagener84 Junior Member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 199.214.192.50 |
Dawn..are you driving up from Kingston on Friday afternoon? Im flying into Ottawa and renting wheels. Will be staying Thursday and Friday with my mother-in-law in Kingston (Old Colony Rd). If you feel like carpooling into Brockville on Friday let me know. Im planning on going to hang out and then driving back to Kingston. Ill go back to GCC on Saturday and spend the night at the Royal Brock. Is your bro planning on coming? How is he doing? | ||
| wagener84 Junior Member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 42 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 199.214.192.50 |
I reserved a spot for the dinner but am flexible either way. The brochure also said bring your own snacks and bevs so I will have a cooler full of beer and pop in my trunk on Saturday afternoon. I will be staying sober so if anyone feels inclined to get hammered...please ask me or someone else for a ride to wherever you need to go....I will gladly oblige. From what we've all shared on this site I don't think anyone needs anymore tragedy in their lives!! Please be responsible!! | ||
| 87expellee New member Username: 87expellee Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.78.122.247 |
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