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gayatgcc
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Username: gayatgcc
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.156.79.128
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:25 pm: | 
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What are your thoughts on compiling a documentary on student’s experiences at GCC?
}GayAtGcc |
tabby1979
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Username: tabby1979
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.69.121.31
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 11:42 am: |
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I think this is a great idea...I think exposing the school for what really happened to many students and staff should be documented. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 7
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 72.45.165.10
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I would love to be involved - once I finish school in September |
tomrossini
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Username: tomrossini
Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 71.238.3.231
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 11:10 pm: |
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I am so in.... Hmmmm. I wonder what the school will do with the following
1) Transcripts
2) vital records
3) photographs and movies that were done there. |
bossman
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Username: bossman
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.64.223.204
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 1:16 pm: |
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I'll help out I love Dramas and Comedies!! |
nomadic
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Username: nomadic
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 66.78.123.227
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 2:57 pm: |
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Just make sure that your *** is covered. You will not be the first to try and expose the evils done here. There are others who have been muzzled legally. |
tabby1979
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Username: tabby1979
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.69.121.31
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 3:07 pm: |
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If there is such a documentary in the works or a book, I have been working in the legal community for the last 27 years and could help refer anyone who may decide to take on this project. I live out west now, but have also worked in the legal community in Ontario as well. Of course, our butts should be covered. Anyone wishing to talk to me privately, you can email me at tabbytabby2000@hotmail.com. |
banjax
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Username: banjax
Post Number: 3
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 85.210.30.173
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 5:42 pm: |
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Given that a documentary reflection/expose of GCC would require a substantial amount of money to produce, whatever the media (book, tv), would anyone (apart from those who have been involved in GCC) realistically be interested enough in this topic to justify such a project. I appreciate the hurt that many have suffered but I am wary of using such necessary effort on this form of response. |
pandersen
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Username: pandersen
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.86.94.128
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 7:31 pm: |
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There are excellent Canadian investigative news programs such as The Passionate Eye; The Fifth Estate, or CTV's W-Five, who might be interested in reporting on the abuse at GCC. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 11
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.233.112.97
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 7:33 pm: |
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Hey Peter, I havent heard from you in a while, would love to reconnect. I am glad you are here. I want so much to be active but I swear sometimes I just feel paralyzed. |
quietgrl
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Username: quietgrl
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.226.102.190
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 8:15 pm: |
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Count me in... I kept some paper items from that time...ie phone request sheets... may be of help... I spoke to a reporter years ago... did not go anywhere |
jes_noonan
New member
Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 13
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 67.70.18.124
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:00 pm: |
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I want to be involved as well.
I actually hope to be speaking to a journalist within the next week or so. I would like to have this person read these posts and give an impartial opinion on whether or not it would even be worth doing. It would be somewhat redundant if there is no audience. Maybe some of you could seek similar opinions so we can establish this? |
tomrossini
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Username: tomrossini
Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.230.9.226
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 2:39 pm: |
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Anyone here have ties with Michael Moore?  |
former_gcc_staff
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Username: former_gcc_staff
Post Number: 2
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 137.186.250.226
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 9:39 pm: |
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I would be interested in seeing this. My involvement with the school was more resent and as far as I know there was no abuse going on during my time there. I am genuinely shocked and appalled at some of the stories I've heard and sadly I get the impression there is more that is not being said. I have strong doubts on it being viewed by many, but at the very least it could be thearaputic. |
nomadic
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Username: nomadic
Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 66.78.123.227
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 10:53 pm: |
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Perhaps not abuse as stated in these threads, but there certainly was favouritism. Certain staff got their children's tuition/childcare free while others sacrificed to have their children at gcc. I personally was assaulted and nothing came of it except a settlement with lawyers and police involved. It involved another staff and he was covered 100% by GM and SF. My lawyer said that I got the best deal available even though I was angry enough to pursue it. I felt that in the best interest of my family and my own emotional health, that I needed to walk away. I am now legally bound to stay quiet.
There also was a well known teacher that left my first year on staff because of a certain problem with a student.
I would say that abuse still existed. I have also referred many people to this website in hopes that they will learn the truth. |
former_gcc_staff
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Username: former_gcc_staff
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 137.186.250.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 2:09 am: |
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I did see some things there that were questionable. Not in an abusive sort of way, but more of a bad judgement/ wrong mindset type way. I will say tho, that I was not highly involved with the teachers or most of the administration. As far as the assault thing, I know the man that you accused of that quite well. I have to say if they're was any assault or abuse in that situation it was coming from you. Your behaviour was disgusting and immature. He pushed your hand away because you were verbally and physically assualting him. He was willing to forgive your behaviour but instead you tried to get him arrested in front of his children and tried to get him fired. Your own staff was disgusted by your behaviour and were relieved when you were let go. And to top it off you left by stealing things from the school. I also remember hearing you cursing up a storm while in meeting loud enough for any student on the same floor to hear. I'm not discounting negative things that have happened to you or others threw the school. But don't try to play the victim in a situation where you were the abuser. |
nomadic
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Username: nomadic
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 66.78.123.227
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Clearly you only know one side. If you feel so passionately about it, why have you not gotten the whole story? I stole nothing. They used all my materials and supplies for over 3 years. That man you are protecting is a convicted felon( assault). How he got hired to be around children amazes me. I have moved on - despite being slandered. You obviously know who I am, have the balls to have a direct conversation. Clearly I touched a nerve. |
usedtobethere
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Username: usedtobethere
Post Number: 18
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 209.47.31.5
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 9:23 am: |
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OKAY GUYS,'nomadic/former_gcc_staff:
This forum CofJ/GCC was initiated as a place for anyone involved in either place to tell their stories when others wouldn't believe their traumic times, all the feelings and aftermath of leaving a cult, the doubts, the fears and to have a back and forth with other survivers and to help each other move on with life. Also many have been able to receive some validation (like they weren't the only weird one or the only one that went through ordeals - often similar). I am not discounting that there have been 'testy' posts here and there but it is very hurtful to hear you as adults going at each other . I would suggest that you get in touch somehow and take your battle out in the 'backyard' (via e-mail or whatever).
Sorry, in a rush, just my thoughts and humble opinion. |
usedtobethere
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Username: usedtobethere
Post Number: 19
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 209.47.31.5
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 9:27 am: |
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Sorry 'nomadic', didn't see your post before I posted mine, you're quick. Seems like you have opened the door for dialogue and hopefully a resolution. The best to both of you.
Take care.
(Message edited by usedtobethere on August 08, 2007) |
former_gcc_staff
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Username: former_gcc_staff
Post Number: 5
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 137.186.250.226
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I realize that this is not exactly the place for this conversation but I now live in a different province and do not know your email address. I saw you slander this friend of mine could not, not say anything. if you want to further discuss this my address is sideshowchad@yahoo.ca |
tmbkaity
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Username: tmbkaity
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 66.78.123.227
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 3:23 pm: |
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Its unbelievable, that man who assaulted nomadic did it in front of children!!!! That clearly makes him okay. |
former_gcc_staff
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Username: former_gcc_staff
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 137.186.250.226
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he pushed your mother's hand away while she was stabbing her finger into his chest. again if there was assualt in that situation it was by nomadic. But I agree with usedtobethere this is not the best place for this discussion feel free to email me. |
jes_noonan
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Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 14
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 67.70.18.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 4:17 pm: |
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former_gcc_staff: you already posted your e-mail addy for nomadic - take it up privately. Why are you posting on the same issue again? Let it go. Then again, I guess one of the big issues on this site is that people are having a hard time doing just that... |
jes_noonan
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Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 15
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 67.70.18.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 4:20 pm: |
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former_gcc_staff: you already posted your e-mail addy for nomadic - take it up privately. Why are you posting on the same issue again? Let it go. Then again, I guess one of the big issues on this site is that people are having a hard time doing just that... |
former_gcc_staff
New member
Username: former_gcc_staff
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 137.186.250.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 7:12 pm: |
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jess did you not read the second sentence I offered for her to discuss this with me privately. I didn't bring it up again tmbkaity did. |
jes_noonan
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Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 18
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 67.70.18.124
| | Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 11:01 am: |
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former_gcc_staff: yes, I read it. My point was you offered your e-mail addy and that should've ended the public discussion right there. I'm not a fan of the "I want the last word"...very grenville-esque.
Anyways, I shouldn't even have involved myself in your discussion - it has nothing to do with me. My bad. Good luck in resolving your issue. |
nochor
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Username: nochor
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.226.102.187
| | Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 8:05 pm: |
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First time poster. This whole exchange made me want to post.
I think that if former wants to respond to something that someone else says then it's fair game. As you said jess take it to a private forum, however if I feel attacked, I would certainly want to ensure that people heard my side of the story (nothing grenville-esque about that; just how the real world works unless you're dealing with a boss at which point you stfu).
Both sides of the story should be able to be heard if it's in a public forum. Not saying which is right, just saying that both should have a chance to express, and if a third party says something, to again rebut.....
Just my $0.02 |
tmbkaity
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Username: tmbkaity
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 142.46.8.6
| | Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 10:12 pm: |
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I agree with nochor. Free speech, isnt that what this whole forum is about? |
former_gcc_staff
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Username: former_gcc_staff
Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 137.186.250.226
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 12:18 am: |
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thank you nochor and tmbkaity. I would like to apologize tho. I have a different view of the situation as I am related to the man's wife and have spent a lot time with him and his kids. I still don't see things the same way as you (nomadic) and unless I see or hear something convincing I probably won't, but I should not have attacked you personally and in all fairness I should have asked for your side of the story. I do believe that you at the very least believe yourself to be wronged. I honestly would like to hear your story, so if it's not too hard for you please email me at the address in my previous post. I promise to be civil 
To everyone sorry for hi-jacking this forum. regardless of what is said after this I promise this is my last post on the subject. |
jes_noonan
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Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 19
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 74.105.220.14
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:59 am: |
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Fair enough. Free speech it is.
Taking a micro stance on gcc (i.e. situation specific) is not what I nor many others posting are doing. We're taking a macro stance on how the school was run on the whole in our time there.
Quite frankly, I have GOOD reason to believe that this site has been forwarded to gcc and cofj staff and I have no desire to discuss these issues with them.
This is not the only forum which affords us the luxury of free speech. Unfortunately I have a skewed sense of consequence (go figure) and as such I'm more than happy to take this "forum" to a bigger stage.
Free speech was a b$tch for me at gcc and I hope that it's a b$tch for that school now. I intend on finding out. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 12
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 72.45.165.10
| | Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 10:33 pm: |
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Back to the topic of this thread... I would like to be involved in a documentary. Have lots of stories to tell, but would take up too much space here.
I always wondered tho, if there were any child laws regarding the fact that I was sent there from CoJ and told the reason I did so much work and the work program in the summer and got no pay was because my parents couldnt afford my tuition. I didnt want to be there anyways, but they had a customs officer take me in a room at the border and tell me they would throw me in jail if I tried to run away. |
tmw
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Username: tmw
Post Number: 26
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.70.70.174
| | Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 4:28 pm: |
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Yes the Recorder and Times is a newspaper which is owned by the Sun Media. Do not confuse this with it being a Sun Newspaper ie Ottawa Sun Edmonton SUn etc....it just is owned by that Media outlet now as opposed to being independently owned, a subsidiary.
On a personal note and having grown up there (brockville), I am pretty sure you will not get a warm reception from the Recorder and Times......no harm in trying....just dont bet the farm on it. |
gayatgcc
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Username: gayatgcc
Post Number: 47
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 65.94.113.25
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 1:50 am: |
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Do NOT ... NOT ... go to the Recorder & Times with this story. They are sympethetic to GCC. Always have ... always will be!
It has to be National! |
breaker_19_girl
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Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.187.49.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 7:47 am: |
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I think exposure is good... I have often wondered over the years about class action law suits. I am of the impression and could be wrong that there is no statue of limitation on child abuse.... |
jes_noonan
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Username: jes_noonan
Post Number: 39
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 67.70.18.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 12:37 pm: |
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I agree with gayatgcc. Recorder and Times is not the way to go. It's too small anyhow. I don't know if this would get national coverage, but a larger paper out of Toronto or Ottawa might be a very realstic goal. I'm currently speaking with a journalist who's worked for one. |
mike_irvine
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Username: mike_irvine
Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.59.81.250
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 1:03 pm: |
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half of my friends are journalists - i think the toronto star would be the most likely to publish a story like this. i'll forward this link to my peeps and see what they all think. |
amanda
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Username: amanda
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 209.195.65.133
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:01 pm: |
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I imagine different people have different reasons for wanting to document/expose what really happened to the students and staff at Grenville. If it’s a need for the truth to come out, a way of connecting and sharing with people who suffered the same maltreatment, an aim to truly understand and make sense of what you experienced there, and a desire to know you were not alone and to heal, I’m not sure involving the media would be the best way to go about it. Will a newspaper article or a Passionate Eye report adequately cover the many complex layers of Grenville life?
Although I always feared some of my secrets at Grenville would be found out - they seem so trivial now - and I would be disgraced, I can’t say I ever endured the abuse that some of you have mentioned. In fact, most of my experiences there were quite happy. Yet, I felt enormously guilty until recently for the suffering and anguish one of my friends endured, not because I had anything to do with her being put on D for a month or two, but because I was the reason she came to Grenville. I’m saddened by some of the stories I’ve read here and my heart goes out to you.
There are a lot of poignant stories to be told and I think we could weave them into a book. I’ve always been interested in understanding the many different sides and perspectives of events and I would be happy to take on this project with a bit of help.
Why involve outside journalists when we can tell our own stories? |
bluesman
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Username: bluesman
Post Number: 20
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 68.83.79.247
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:21 pm: |
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You make some good points, Amanda. Perhaps one of the reasons for some wanting to involve the media is the hope for some form of "justice". Or perhaps it is an attempt to counter-balance the spin coming from gcc -- everything was always great. That spin minimizes or invalidates many people's experiences, which is a tough thing to take. Since the "celebration" is scheduled for Sept. 29, I believe some wanted some of "the truth" to get out before that event, and a book would take a long time.
However, you are very correct in saying that the "gcc experience" was a complex, many-layered thing, and a book would certainly do it more justice than a news article. You're a brave person for volunteering to take that on!
btw, if you are the amanda who was once an AD editor, please email xgcsquared@gmail.com. |
sam83
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Username: sam83
Post Number: 9
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.121.18.151
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:30 pm: |
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bluesman,
I doubt a documentary can be produced, distributed and aired before Sept 29. Believe or not, most stations will have their Sept 29 programming already locked and loaded. Instead, I suggest using a webcam to document your own testimonials. Post the clips on YouTube, CNN iReport and CityTV "It's your story". |
certavi_et_vici
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Username: certavi_et_vici
Post Number: 28
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 71.178.135.62
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:35 pm: |
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I am having lunch with my contact next week. Media exposure could lead to more justice and vindication in the form of a public/judicial enquiry. Survivors need to know that they are not alone and be vindicated. The guilty need to be held accountable and it may even save their soles. The truth can set everyone free. |
certavi_et_vici
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Username: certavi_et_vici
Post Number: 29
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 71.178.135.62
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 9:40 pm: |
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The story is very sexy in media terms. This will be a very easy pitch. I am not worried about getting it out before 29 September. |
quietgrl
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Username: quietgrl
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.226.102.190
| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:31 pm: |
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Late getting into this discussion:
Just want to set the record straight... The Recorder and Times...I don't think that they have been on side with GCC so much as their hands were tied.. there were conflicts of interest with the staff ...ie people on staff had children who had been abused there... from my understanding ... the local paper wanted to run a story years ago and got silenced by the papers lawyers... (too close and issue)
Mike Morallis... he is the one who has my year book...if anyone knows him... tell him I would very much like it back... he should know who's it is... my name was on it... smile ( I won;t be mad at him... time heals ...) |
rozpriceenglish
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Username: rozpriceenglish
Post Number: 66
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 172.130.10.111
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 8:21 am: |
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Major THANK YOU to all that contributed to the article in the Globe and Mail today. I'm overwhelmed with gratitude for the soul-baring - it's so balancing to have the 'rest of the story' out there... |
tabby1979
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Username: tabby1979
Post Number: 24
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.69.121.31
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Having the Globe and Mail expose GCC for what really went on there, perhaps someone (ie, media producer) may get wind of it and may be interested in doing a documentary. There are so many stories out there that need to be told that I think a documentary is in order and could be therapeutic in some cases. What do you think? |
hoperules
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Username: hoperules
Post Number: 38
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 72.136.252.197
| | Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 2:16 pm: |
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tabby1979 - I agree and would have no problem participating. People need to speak for those that have too much at risk. Such as those with families still living at CofJ etc. |
jonnymac
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Username: jonnymac
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 99.245.142.243
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 9:52 pm: |
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Re Documentary
Hey all,
I have produced documentary films - I was also beaten up and all that goes with it at GCC between 1978 and 1981.
Been looking for a new project.........
How about "Dan Ortolani meets the Taliban"
JMc |
gcc_1981_grad
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Username: gcc_1981_grad
Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.15.67.159
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 9:54 pm: |
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Hey jonnymac - that is an interesting concept. my e-mail address is rhv@sympatico.ca. It would be good to connect |
breaker_19_girl
Intermediate Member
Username: breaker_19_girl
Post Number: 179
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 24.141.77.179
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:31 pm: |
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Hahahahahaha...
I must be getting tired... Dan Ortolani meets the Taliban..... |
bettyboop
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Username: bettyboop
Post Number: 48
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 69.205.224.127
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 2:40 am: |
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jonnymac -
do you have an email you're willing to share?
i'd love to get in touch. |
jonnymac
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Username: jonnymac
Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 99.245.142.243
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:14 am: |
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bettyboop
jonathan@joboda.com
should do the trick
JMc |
survivor1101
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Username: survivor1101
Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 76.65.199.38
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:24 am: |
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I still think a book needs to be put together. And actually I have been toying with a few ideas.
Anyone want to contribute some ideas, submissions...
working titles?
Being a writer, I would love to take this on.
Anyone? |
priest_of_satan
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Username: priest_of_satan
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.114.251.86
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:33 am: |
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ASSAULT??? Give me a break - you poor, poor victims for deserving THE DREADED FINGER TO THE CHEST from Ortolani.
Grow up - i was informed about the finger to the chest and how to avoid it - but I got it a few times - and trust me, I deserved it - and so did anyone that got it - THAT I know 110%
my name here is poking fun at moniker that was given to me by the Padre one time...and by god I SURVIVED being called that...I shouldn't have, but did. What I spend my time doing, 19 years later, is belittling and disrespecting my parents (like I did to get to GCC) and the staff of GCC. THAT my friends is my mission in life!!! <tongue>
Once again - will be at the GCC closing and would love to have this conversation in person -Jason Price, alum 83-89 |
priest_of_satan
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Username: priest_of_satan
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.114.251.86
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ASSAULT??? Give me a break - you poor, poor victims for deserving THE DREADED FINGER TO THE CHEST from Ortolani.
Grow up - i was informed about the finger to the chest and how to avoid it - but I got it a few times - and trust me, I deserved it - and so did anyone that got it - THAT I know 110%
my name here is poking fun at moniker that was given to me by the Padre one time...and by god I SURVIVED being called that...I shouldn't have, but did. What I spend my time doing, 19 years later, is belittling and disrespecting my parents (like I did to get to GCC) and the staff of GCC. THAT my friends is my mission in life!!! Tongue firmly in cheek
Once again - will be at the GCC closing and would love to have this conversation in person -Jason Price, alum 83-89 |
gcc_1981_grad
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Username: gcc_1981_grad
Post Number: 16
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.51.146.194
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:35 am: |
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survivor 1101 email me if you like
rhv@sympatico.ca |
jonnymac
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Username: jonnymac
Post Number: 9
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 99.245.142.243
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:46 am: |
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Re Documentary viability
As a writer and film maker, I am not sure how compelling the story would be. At first glance it appears great - all of our combined experiences make an unlimited story resource. But how would the visual be? Without interviews with the “other side” and believe me that won’t happen – the interesting ones anyway and footage and photos from back in the day the film becomes 44 minutes of talking heads whining about their high school experience. An exposé film needs a visual back drop of the “horrors” for the “survivors” to tell their stories over. Consider any film that you may have seen about genocide or death camps etc – they are packed with horrible visuals (piles or corpses burning buildings and the like) and that is what captivates the audience visually as they take in the audio information. Somebody mentioned a car wreck – you know you shouldn’t look but you can’t stop yourself.
I am all for a doc but all of the elements necessary for compelling documentary film making must be in place for a broadcaster to buy it, air it and an audience too watch it.
If anyone can pull these elements together let me know. It’s a big undertaking which I just can’t bite off right now.
JMC |
gcc_1981_grad
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I think it can be done and would be willing to give it a shot. It was I who mentioned the car wreck. I would be willing to at least meet and explore possibilities.
email me at rhv@sympatico.ca |
cryfreedom
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(ASSAULT??? Give me a break - you poor, poor victims for deserving THE DREADED FINGER TO THE CHEST from Ortolani.
Grow up - i was informed about the finger to the chest and how to avoid it - but I got it a few times - and trust me, I deserved it - and so did anyone that got it - THAT I know 110) stated my POS above)}}
--What an in appropriate thing to say on this site!! I have just caught up on all the posts from today and I can't quite get a grip on you. I remember you well from GCC. Maybe you can look back and shrug it all off, but some of us CAN NOT. I wasn't even sure if you were joking with some of your comments(use the damn smiley faces if you are joking). Assuming you are not joking I am shocked that you would say you deserved the abuse(and others did also) at the hands of Dan. Do you think so little of yourself that you think you deserved this!! You were a young impressionable kid and I think if you let yourself truly think about it you would realize it wasn't right!! ABUSE----damn right!! And this forum is for people to share, heal and move on, so PLEASE don't make light of it. I wish you well and I know you will behave yourself at the Closing.
Cheers=======Dawn |
fearlessjdp
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Well, journalistically, if the documentarians request to interview the staff, and they decline then at least they tried and they can say so, it covers their butts in that regard.
and if the Staff refuses to comment, then people (like myself) who had a more-or-less good time can comment as well, it does offer some balance.
BTW, you will need someone more-or less impartial, or at least un-emotional to do the interviews....just my thoughts. |
jonnymac
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Howdy Fearlessjdp
Absolutely correct on the interviewer - an impartial person is a must
JMC |
priest_of_satan
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Sorry to ruffle too many feathers here. Not my exact point - I do get crusty when there are individuals that PURPOSLY bucked the system and are still gripeing <sp?> about it - THEY SEEM TO BE LEADING THE CHARGE HERE.
All others, please accept my apology...if you know me, I do tend to react, ponder and retract where I am wrong.
Sorry Dawn - which Dawn...from when I coached Junior Girls Basketball S.Ashton and the crew?
No doubt - I cannot speak for the ladies and what JJ, JC and company did to you at all.
I do not think lowly of myself in the least - anyone who knows me will argue the complete opposite  Here is one GCC perspective to consider - we were all 16-17 year olds going on 21, with mouths to boot, and thought we knew everything. The staff tactics at GCC were without a doubt questionable - but what pseudo parents would...especially raising 225 kids? We were given rules to follow - our choice obey or disobey - and the punishment was there for all to see. Once again, I cannot speak for the females at all - but I do know how JJ was and felt that wrath once or twice...not fun.
I guess the girls had their nemesis' and so did the boys.
Dan Ortolani was in a position of power, no doubt and he is a person who unfortunately get physical but very infrequently. I spent time away from the b.s. with Dan Ortolani as I tried to do with most staff members - communicate, make an impression and let them know me on a level away from the typical GCC b.s.
If they understand you and like you...keeps you out of the line of fire.
HEAL people, heal and I am sorry for being narrow sighted with some of my posts.
****I am not sorry to the dumbasses, who know who I am referring to.
Bahave - of course! ;) |
jonnymac
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Re Priest of Satan's sarcastic post
Dude we don’t know each other so I’m not going to judge your post by any means.
I acknowledge the fact that a finger in the chest does not really constitute an assault. Having sex with a woman does not constitute assault either. However if either act is committed under conditions where the receiver is vulnerable, afraid or unwilling to receive “the poke” one might consider it so.
I was at the receiving end of the Ortolani finger on several occasions, I was not physically injured. The point is that he really enjoyed and thoroughly “got off” on bullying. The fact the you call it “the dreaded finger to the chest” validates that fact that this was this guys “thing” and everybody knows about it. Assault? Probably not. Intimidation and bullying – for sure.
As I mentioned, I don’t know you and therefore have no idea what kind of a teen you were. You may have been a pretty tough guy. But please respect others who may have been afraid of Dan. I was about 125-130lbs when I was at Grenville – not really formidable. Dan never actually hurt me but he did threaten to take me into the gym and “beat me within an inch of my life”. Dan Ortalani was a cowardly goon and that is all I have to say about him.
I also agree that many times I deserved the discipline that I received. But correcting bad behaviour and mentally f*cking with people are not the same thing and I think that is the real issue. I was not afraid of washing pots doing dishes mopping floors hammering nails or what ever; I think that this kind of thing is excellent for troubled teenagers like I was. But waking me up in the middle of the night and then beating the crap out of me is a totally different ball game guy. I was totally “assaulted” one night. Five men circled me and gave me the beat down – it was terrifying.
Change of gears for a second. Does anyone remember Troy and Robert Custodio from Bermuda? My recollection of those two brothers is that they were pretty big muscular dudes for their age and pretty cool guys. I also remember that the staff “tough guys” weren’t so quick to physically challenge them. I do recall Farnsworth berating them in a boy's dorm light session by saying something like “you are men of muscle and little else”. I think he was hiding behind Dan at the time when he said it (ha ha).
Anyhow, let’s respect each others experiences I can handle the sarcasm but others may not appreciate it.
Cheers
JMC |
sandrabrownearly
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Johnnymac...
At first when I read your post, I got upset that anyone (especially a teacher) would threaten to beat you within an inch of your life...
But then I got to the part where five men beat you! Some where else I read of three men beating someone...what in the world! How could anyone think that any good comes from that?
I'm just speechless...and that's not easy to do! |
wagener84
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Well, thats what they did. I tried to stay out of •••• and never did anything real controversial. However, I got paddled 6 times by Ortolani for simply playing a harmless and stupid prank on a roomate (salt and pepper on his pillow). I also witnessed him beat the •••• out of his own son (David) on numerous occasions in the hallway when he thought nobody was watching. O loved violence and intimidation and I'll bet he was likely beaten himself as a youngster. Its called the circle of violence. I made sure that the cycle stopped with me when I left the place. |
jonnymac
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Wagener84 is correct and brings up a very good point that he (Danny O)and others like him were most likely abused as children. All of them were little boys and girls once upon a time and it’s sad to speculate on the events that may have got them started on their life’s path.
In a way one has to feel sorry for them. We are fortunate enough to recognize that what happened to us was not normal and have dedicated ourselves to not repeat the pattern.
I’ll put this out there right now. If Danny O or any other of GCC Gestapo were to stand up and apologize in a public setting and perhaps share their childhood stories I’d be willing to put aside the past, shake their hands and give them a genuine hug – not those phoney baloney ones we had back in the late 70’s. Now that would be a miracle!
Until that day if I ever see him he’s getting a Glasgow kiss – well probably just some stern words; I don’t need an assault charge, how’d that be for irony eh?! |
cryfreedom
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HI again Jason---Yes, Dawn from the basketball team(and this old lady still plays 2 nights a week on a competitive team).
Yes, you are right we all need to HEAL. And I have certainly moved on and done alot of healing. But reading what so many others went through tends to bring it all back to the surface again. So we need to be patient, and excepting and let everyone heal in their own way and at their own speed, ok!!!
You take care. |
survivor1101
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Just so the men know, D Ortalani did not just bully the boys.
There was one early morning on 'cold grits' running time, that D was in the gym pushing us girls. I ran to near exhaustion that morning and nearly threw up. I stopped and tried to catch my breath against the wall in the unfinished new gym. D would not hear of it, I was pushed from behind until I started running again.
When another one of the girls refused to run due to exhaustion, she was pushed into compliance as well. And then D yelled at us, until he got us to push this poor girl as well. The bully got us to bully someone else. It was horrendous. And to see the glee in that man's eyes that morning. |
priest_of_satan
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well that is some serious dirt on Dan O - probably right regarding his upbringing...
JMac - did not try to be sarcastic...BTW no I was just a stupid 140lbs I guess
Dawn - agreed, BTW that team was a pleasure to coach 1 win and 13 losses if i recall correctly - but the best team I was ever a part of...lots of HEART on that team. |
cryfreedom
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Jason------Have to respond just because of ego!! I was not on the junior team. I was 2 years ahead of you on that Senior team that won the League Championship that year!! I would say definitely more wins then losses.
Hey, JMac was not trying to be sarcastic. He was stating that he only weighed probably half of Dan's friggin weight and was probably scared shitless!!! Give the guy a break.
"survivor1101" -----Thank you for your courage for sharing your story also. That is heart breaking!! |
quietgrl
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Survivor 1101 ... I remember when those girls who were put on cold grits...
Remember school cancelled for the am ...boys watching "Paton" to learn how to be real men... while we had hours in the chapel ... with 8 or 9 girls being humiltated by deans first... then prefects then leaders then anyone else who wanted to say something.. anything
I remember a friend of mine... being threatened by JJ ... she asked her why she did not sing during while she was running laps that am... (She said she did not like the song.. a brave girl.) and then JJ threatened to tell all the girls in the school her life story... ( not something she wanted everyone to know...) Then JJ told her that is she did not want everyone to know... she had better sing ... and JJ then got right up in her face and made her sing infront of everyone...
Remember" Mom and Dad I'm on cold grits... for being bad and throwing fits...I'm not for long you've got my word... cause up at 5 is for the birds"... then " onward christain soldiers... " ( of course... smile)
The thing was... I don;t remember these girls being "bad".... they had not broken rules... they just did not like the place... and all things considered... that was a pretty sane way to be...
As a teacher now... I am horrified ... knowing some child psychology... I am sickened by days like this... any psychologist would tell you that this can have lasting effects on people... I hope that people realize that they are normal if they are upset by this..
I am posting this to validate the memories of others... people who were younger and thought that they might have been dreaming...
I was old enough to understand that it was messed up ...and it was...it was not reasonable discipline... kids were not asking for it... in fact the cold grits girls... had not even broken the rules by FF;s own admission "These are girls are not girls who are breaking the rules.... technically... but they are breaking the rules in their minds... they have bad attitudes... which is just as bad...Grits taste good when they are hot... and like •••• when they are cold...These girls have the potential to be good but they are choosing to be bad...they are cold grits"
POS..... I am a bit worried about you... please keep listening to the experiences that others had... please try to have empathy... I am concerned that the tone of your posts are going to intimidate some people who are reading and wanting and needing to post from doing so... you are entitled to your opinions and feelings... but please be mindful that others do seem to need this site and what it offers... |
cryfreedom
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quietgrl------My heart is aching tonight and I can't stop crying when reading so many of these posts. I am not crying for myself----that is long ago.I am crying for you all and what you went through. "quietgrl" thank you for your insights and prospective on all of this. Anyone reading this should be heartbroken and realize that this was NOT normal behaviour to be forcing on children. We need to all remember that that is what we were----young children. We were not adults but young impressionable children.
Thoughts, prayers, good karma----whatever you believe in ------coming your way!!!
Dawn Roberston(Vickery) |
jonnymac
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Cheers Priest o' Satan
That's cool bro
JMC |
breaker_19_girl
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Survivor,
Thank you for all you share... I am soooo sorry for you..... I remember when you were a little girl.... I was a lot older than you and I graduated in 84. You always laughed... and then when you cried you were so heart broken.... You felt your emotions... I was jealous of that. But, obviously you are a bright and intelligent woman now... welcome here... and know you are not alone.....
I remember you trying so hard to fit in.... Know you always have a place here....
Liane Ross |
survivor1101
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Quietgrl,
Thank you, I had forgotten that day. Probably I really needed to.
Breaker,
I remember you. And THANK YOU. This has been so hard, but really important. |
priest_of_satan
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people...I do empathize with the stories no doubt
Dawn - now on the same page, I was mistaking you for another Dawn that came along after the Dawn Robertson of the senior bball team...I remember your team - Charlene Tingle no? BTW - Great outfits you had to wear!!! Too bad my memories are so positive...Jerome Fitzgerald and the boys must have looked after my best interest more than I know. |
priest_of_satan
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people...I do empathize with the stories no doubt
Dawn - now on the same page, I was mistaking you for another Dawn that came along after the Dawn Robertson of the senior bball team...I remember your team - Charlene Tingle no? BTW - Great outfits you had to wear!!! Too bad my memories are so positive...Jerome Fitzgerald and the boys must have looked after my best interest more than I know. |
priest_of_satan
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people...I do empathize with the stories no doubt
Dawn - now on the same page, I was mistaking you for another Dawn that came along after the Dawn Robertson of the senior bball team...I remember your team - Charlene Tingle no? BTW - Great outfits you had to wear!!! Too bad my memories are so positive...Jerome Fitzgerald and the boys must have looked after my best interest more than I know. |
sinderella
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I hear people go on Maury Povich or Springer to get attention. Attention to their sad story. Why is that? What value does public knowledge add to the healing process? I know there is pain here. I read it all. But why a documentary? How about getting everyone on Dr. Phil?
If I need to sort out the mush in my head, I see a shrink. She asks me the right questions to help me come to a conclusion. I don't ask her to make it public, in fact it would be illegal for her to do so. Nothing illegal here at all. But the whole thing smells revenge not healing. Revenge with a huge collateral damage wake. But of course no one here cares about that. They all deserve what they get. Does it feel good to see others in pain? Were you all aware that your quest for public recognition would cause this pain? Does it take your pain away?
Just curious that's all. |
purgatory
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As a mother of two if I ever found out that someone abused one of them I can promise you I would seek justice through the courts, and have the perpetrator given a fair, and just trial, and held accountable if found guilty. Would this take away my painof course not!!Would it take away my children's pain of course not, but justice in the eyes of our manmade law would have been served. How is it revenge to have those who wreacked havoc on young lives held accountable?Revenge with a collateral damage-unfortunately we all live in a society where money is used as restitution.To say no one cares on here is rather a blanket statement, and for someone who is so against the whole being painted with the same brush instead of just the guilty--you seem to be doing the very same thing on this forum-painting us all as money hungry/revengeful people without any regard for anyone else. Seems rather simple minded, and no I don't think you are just curious you seem to already have the answers, and have told all of us on here what we are doing(or shall I say what you think we are doing) |
wagener84
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My only regret with the whole Grenville legacy is why nobody in the staff found the courage years ago to stand up to Farnsworth that he was way over the top and that enough was enough. Interestingly enough..that is the common threat shared by many well-respected former staff who I have had the privilege of reconnecting with. The legacy is forever tarnished because of the allegations against one man and a few henchmen. I am confident that the legal processes currently underway will result in "the spirit of truth prevailing". I just hope the movement to justice does not result in "scorched earth" that harms innocents. |
strength
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You are exactly right wagener84. This whole disaster could have been dealt with years ago.
However, people in the staff did come forward to Bishop Mason. But it seems to me that he did nothing about it.
That's why it is so important to push the church authorities to be held accountable for how disclosures of abuse are managed, (or mismanaged). |
wagener84
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Well, from my perspective thats one of the biggest problems and hypocracies with the Christian church...they defend and protect their own regardless of the circumstances. The Catholic church essentially turning a blind eye while some members of their own church quietly supported the massacre of the Jewry in Europe during WW2 is a prime example. There are also countless examples of child/sexual abuse in several Christian churches where higher authorities were well aware of incidents of abuse but chose to do nothing. |
strength
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Right you are, wagener84. The biggest heroes of the Holocaust were individual (powerless) people who did what they could to take a stand against evil. There is a lesson for us in that. |
poormanspudding
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Wagener84 said:
"My only regret with the whole Grenville legacy is why nobody in the staff found the courage years ago to stand up to Farnsworth that he was way over the top and that enough was enough."
I would like Bluesman to comment on this as I would like his opinion. My take is that when Valpy says "cultish practices" -- he hit the nail on the head. The C of J and GCC are/were cults. People were brainwashed into believing what they were doing was right. They may not have liked it but they believed whole heartedly that what they were doing was God's will because this was the doctrine they were fed. And that doctrine was backed up by threats of going to hell if one didn't comply with the teaching. The GCC staff were victims of brainwashing. The staff were separated from their birth families if they were not community members. They were not encouraged to associate with anyone outside of the GCC community -- although this did shift in the later years. The GCC staff were broken down in the same way (if not worse) than the students were -- remember the all day staff meetings where the students had to cook the meals, answer the phones and generally run the place? That was because the staff were in their own light sessions. I remember lying on my bed in the girl's dorm and hearing two staff women coming up the stairs crying and talking about what happened in the meeting. It scared the **** out of me and I felt so sorry for them. I saw more staff walking around with red eyes than I care to remember. If you were caught in this web at a tender age, it is all the more difficult to re-program your thinking today. As a result some former staff may be having difficulty accepting what is happening now. It takes a long time to undo thought patterns that took years to cement in their minds. |
