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     gayatgcc New member Username: gayatgcc Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 70.48.53.192 |
This site is fantastic but all too anonymous. If you’re willing, share the dates/years you were at GCC. Sometimes I think I know what someone is talking about, but I’m not sure if they were at GCC during the same years. GayAtGcc: 1982 – 1985 (as an elementary/day student) 1993 – 1996 (as a high school/boarding student) | ||
| former_gcc_grl New member Username: former_gcc_grl Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.231.100.233 |
gayatgcc - I agree with you former_gcc_girl 1985-1988 (as a boarding student)} | ||
| former_gcc_grl New member Username: former_gcc_grl Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.231.100.233 |
oops, I forgot to say...that would have been grade seven, eight and nine for me. | ||
| hoperules New member Username: hoperules Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.98.177.116 |
I believe 89-91. My last year was grade 12. I remember Geraldo.  | ||
| tmw New member Username: tmw Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.71.154.211 |
1984/85 - 1986/87 Day Student 1987/88 - 1988/89 Boarding student | ||
| exmonk New member Username: exmonk Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.163.52.88 |
1972 - 1981 Staff kid | ||
| lightsout New member Username: lightsout Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 76.100.140.96 |
I used to be krwg on here - and posted as that person - but I can't get the account to work anymore... 1989-1991 - Boarding student I remember Geraldo and the all day chapel day!! | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.238.3.231 |
Well My name should be self evident... I was there from 1985 to 1989. And I will be there the day GCC closes its door for good singing the wicked witch is dead!!!!!!! | ||
| tabby1979 New member Username: tabby1979 Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.69.121.31 |
1976 - 1979 (Living out in BC now, so more than likely won't be attending the closing ceremony). | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
I was born at CoJ and sent to GCC for trying to run away attended GCC 1987 - 1991 | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
1985-1990 I think. I remember Geraldo. Almost as funny as the Johnny Cash movie of Jesus when the Austrailians were visiting and running from 12pm to 2 am for laughing during it, (pre obstacle course days). | ||
| westcedar1 New member Username: westcedar1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 12.45.228.13 |
1988 to 1994 Gr. 7-12 From Orleans,MA but not from Community | ||
| certavi_et_vici New member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 63.164.145.85 |
1998-1990 Boarding Student grades 11 and 12 | ||
| quietgrl New member Username: quietgrl Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.102.190 |
Oh man... I am sorry if I have posted this somewhere else... just getting the hang of it... I was at GCC for Kindergarten (1976ish) (Mrs.J was my teacher... agh!!) then again for gr. 12.. 1987-1988 ... Bossman: I remember that movie like it was yesterday... may even have scars on my hands from my nails digging into them to avoid laughter... ( could see the staff taking names of people who were "laughing in the face of god!" ie the movie.. I would love to know the name of the film... just to see if it really was as funny as I remembered it or if it was just the context... those poor, poor Australian's... they must have thought that they had ended up on Mars... | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.231.2.103 |
I was at GCC in grade 8 in 87-88 and left in after grade 11 in 91-92. I was there for the first Year they did the aids test; I lived in the new boy’s dorm, they almost exorcised me during the Geraldo era; there for the first time they did the biking across Canada, I built the obstacle course while on D, got in trouble at the Sky Dome… and then moved on! | ||
| hightide New member Username: hightide Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 71.235.107.213 |
let's see, grade 9 1986, grade 10, expelled, brought back, expelled, shoulda graduated in 1990 | ||
| davidthompson New member Username: davidthompson Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 124.110.150.80 |
Jan. 1980 - Half way through Grade 5 to June 1988 Grade 12 grad. i think i started living in the dorm in 1984 - cant recall | ||
| jes_noonan New member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
boarding student '89-'93 There seems to be an awful lot of representation from this general period of time... | ||
| d_twin New member Username: d_twin Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.15.2.51 |
I attended from 1983 - 1988 from grade 8 through to 12, I was constantly on D, had a twin brother and was the first person in 11 years to be paddled by FF, in 85/86. Anyone remember me? Mr. Thompson will. He and I also went to Humber together. lol | ||
| tmw New member Username: tmw Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.48.52.87 |
d-twin......I know exactly who you are, I remember the incident well. how are you btw....I was in grade 6 in 1984/85 year. I used to hang with you and matt sparks and dave mackenzie on the merry go round in the back BEFORE the new boys dorm and the lounge and the gym. You guys used to spin it so hard to try and make us fall off LOL. I was the one that snuck in the walkman for dave. lol I have wondered about you both from time to time. | ||
| grenvillan88 New member Username: grenvillan88 Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.99.246.147 |
d_twin: who can forget you two? i was also at humber cottage and we were roommates briefly. badinfluence70@gmail.com (Message edited by grenvillan88 on August 07, 2007) | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.230.9.226 |
Hmmm... i know who grenvillan is... but not sure on the other two... surprising cause i think i was on D more than anyone else except for GB but we wont go into that on here. Hey Grenvillan. Can you fill me in?  | ||
| d_twin New member Username: d_twin Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.13.81.111 |
Tom, I think you and I were in the same room in my grade 12. By that time I had learned how to blend in better. I think that I may have been your room leader till they (staff) came to their senses. You were still bucking the system. Grenvillan, were we room mates at GCC or in T.O.? I cant figure it out yet. | ||
| pootietang New member Username: pootietang Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 209.190.196.242 |
d_twin was your family in the mortuary business? | ||
| d_twin New member Username: d_twin Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.15.2.103 |
yes, that was us. My brother and I still work in the family business. | ||
| hoperules New member Username: hoperules Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.98.177.116 |
d_twin - I remember you. That incident was before my time, but I still remember the rumours. Both of you seemed well "reformed" or at least good at playing the game. P.S - Your business served both my grandmother and great aunt very well ;) | ||
| tomrossini New member Username: tomrossini Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.238.3.231 |
dtwin email me.. i have to know who you are.. i have an idea.. but dont want to say ... plyman69@yahoo.com | ||
| cryfreedom New member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
1969-1985 Ok, I was only 3 when I arrived at GCC. Can anyone beat that?  Throwing out a challenge there. :-) Dawn(Robertson)Vickery (you would have, of course,realized that I was one of those dreaded "staff kids"? ). I have been married for 17 years and have 13&15 year old sons(as stated in another thread). Happy seeing you all on board here!!! Cheers-----Dawn | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
d_twin gald to know all is well with you both. Use to room with you as well. I think Jes was in there as well, I believe he was my little "brother" for the first few walks of the halls and down the drive to freedom only to turn at the end of it and stare at the flag pole and the 2 wooden doors all the way back hoping it would all disappear. Quietgrl me thinks you were loud. Can't remember the name of the movie but could sing a song to you from it!! | ||
| d_twin New member Username: d_twin Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.15.11.148 |
Thanks Hoperules. Im glad to hear that we could help your family at a difficult time. Say hello next time you are in town. Im always in for reminiscing a bit. lol. Bossman, I am still having trouble figuring out who you are. I am working on it though. Same with Grenvillan. | ||
| davidthompson New member Username: davidthompson Post Number: 12 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 163.139.48.113 |
The D-twins of GCC and Humber. Im drawing a blank guys, sorry. There were just so many evil twins starting in gr. 9 | ||
| davidthompson New member Username: davidthompson Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 163.139.48.113 |
Dawn, I always thought you were a class act. Im glad to hear you are doing well. | ||
| alumni73 New member Username: alumni73 Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.52.64 |
cryfreedom; Dawn, maybe you will remember me. I worked with your mom in the summer day camp and when you were small, you actually came home with me and stayed overnight. I was the first day student back in 1971. I believe that we both now live in the same city. Lisa Throop | ||
| alumni73 New member Username: alumni73 Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.226.52.64 |
I attended "berean school" for grade 10 1971-1972 and grade eleven.1972-73 | ||
| westcoast_gcc New member Username: westcoast_gcc Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.103.47.60 |
I started grade 10 in 1987 and left after grade 12 in 1989 ... i remember you d_twin ... didn't one of you boys end up out west as well for some time? i don't think i'll be able to make the closing as i'm out in BC | ||
| westcoast_gcc New member Username: westcoast_gcc Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.103.47.60 |
I started grade 10 in 1986 and left after grade 12 in 1989 ... i remember you d_twin ... didn't one of you boys end up out west as well for some time? i don't think i'll be able to make the closing as i'm out in BC | ||
| westcoast_gcc New member Username: westcoast_gcc Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.103.47.60 |
I started grade 10 in 1986 and left after grade 12 in 1989 ... i remember you d_twin ... didn't one of you boys end up out west as well for some time? i don't think i'll be able to make the closing as i'm out in BC | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Westcoast_gcc wondering where you are at. I am on the Island. | ||
| westcoast_gcc New member Username: westcoast_gcc Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.103.47.60 |
I started grade 10 in 1986 and left after grade 12 in 1989 ... i remember you d_twin ... didn't one of you boys end up out west as well for some time? i don't think i'll be able to make the closing as i'm out in BC | ||
| westcoast_gcc New member Username: westcoast_gcc Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.103.47.60 |
holy geez .. could i have posted anymore times!? i'm in vancouver | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Michael Wagener GCC 1977-1984 Paddled within 2 weeks of starting school for putting salt and pepper on a bud's pillow as a practical joke. Haha..cruel and unusual punishment in hindsight!! | ||
| former_gcc_grl New member Username: former_gcc_grl Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.231.89.212 |
Since others are sharing, I thought I would share my name as well. I don't have anything to hide (at least nothing I can think of at the moment!) Erin Bloch GCC 1985-1988 erin_813@hotmail.com if anyone would like to chat | ||
| former_gcc_grl New member Username: former_gcc_grl Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.231.89.212 |
that's erin underscore 813@hotmail.com, since you can't really see it up there  | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.28.249 |
I shared a bit of my truth (story) on the thread How Have You Been Affected, and gave my name Catherine Goss Forsythe. I suppose I have hidden myself for so many years, and in so many different ways. Maybe it's time to stop hiding. I left after Gr.11 in 83, but my sister was allowed back for Gr.12. After Gr. 11 I begged my parents to not send me back for Gr 12&13, but they insisted I continue at GCC. I felt my only option was to move out of my home so as not to have to go back there in the fall. I moved out on my own and began working at an early age of 16.My parents were disgusted with me, and embarrassed, because they had to explain to GCC that I would not be coming back, but my sister would be.I remember my mother telling me if you walk out that door you will never be welcome here again. I did walk out, and sadly have never slept in my "home" since that day so many years ago. I do know I made the right decision as hard as it was in the early years on my own living at Grenville another year or two would have killed me or at least stolen my sanity. Thanks again to this forum Catherine Goss Forsythe | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Thanks Catherine. This forum is certainly going to help alot of us who went through some very difficult times. Its amazing that after 23 years, the memories are as if we went through the hell yesterday! Keep on posting! | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.28.249 |
Is that you Michael???? Did you not come to my home the day we had to go back to school after a visit home?? I think we had lunch, and my Mum was so worried we would get in trouble for having a "boy" from school visit us on our home break. I remember fearing the wrath of the staff if they found out we had you over for lunch. Looking back , and seeing how innocent it all was, inyet feeling we did something sooooooooo terrible just makes me cringe.We really did become warped in our way of thinking. | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Yes..its me! I remember that day well. I also remember we had a crush on each other at the time and were in constant terror over what would happen if the staff found out!! How pathetic and sad. I went through hell a year later when I dated Jeanne Albert and was subjected to hours of verbal and mental torture in a "light-session" over the error of my ways. My way of thinking was warped for years after leaving Grenville. Even after getting married in 1990 and having kids, it was common for my to feel guilt after experiencing intimacy with my wife. Its taken lots of counselling but I have overcome this. That has been the legacy Grenville left me...the inability to experience healthy sexuality without tremendous guilt. | ||
| pootietang New member Username: pootietang Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 209.190.196.242 |
D_twin, I remember your bro T. He was in his last year my first year. I do remember you coming by for those special occasions. I wondered why you had not returned but your brother did, of course you could never quiet get close to people for them to tell you the truth. I find it interesting how many of these negative incidences, particularly physical abuse by some of the staff where never discussed or where swept under the rug. I wonder if you or someone close to your time caused the powers-that-be to reconsider this practices. If it really went away at all.... Looking back and reading the messages on these boards I now see there was a lot of crap that went on but was always under the category of the student had a "bad attitude" and off-course if you were kicked out of GCC it had to do with illegal substance, the was the only explanation. | ||
| brendabrown New member Username: brendabrown Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 72.45.9.230 |
Hi Everyone - new poster here! Brenda Brown Olds 1981-1984 Just celebrated 20 years of marriage and have two daughters, 17 and 14 years old. I am an office manager for an orthodontists office after 15 years in the banking industry. (Long story) Many of the folks here I don't recognize, but I have to give a shout out to Catherine Goss and Dawn Robertson! Hey Ladies! Catherine, girl, speak to me! I loved every minute you and I spent together. If it hadn't been for you, I probably would have thrown my hands up and serendered when it came to academics! You were incredibly smart, muscially a genius and a BEAUTIFUL girl! Your story of being pulled into the hallway at 10 pm is missing something. How did you get to that point? I remember when you didn't returnto GCC for your senor year, I felt very much in the dark. (Actually I feel that way when I read alot of these posts. I must have been very nieve to alot of things.) I do remember keeping in touch for quite some time after you left and still feeling like I was missing something. I do remember feeling worried about you and have many times wondered what had ever happened to Catherine Goss. (remember all of our little pony scented erasers! I still have some. How old am I?!) Dawny - What the???? Hey girl! You were the glue that kept our class together! I remember hearing that you had left GCC in 85, the year after I graduated and again I felt like I never saw it coming. Glad to here that all is well now with the hubby and boys. I remember that you were always upbeat and always laughing. I will say that I always admired your ability to not take things so seriously. If I could go back in time, I would do so many things differently. (this Mabel would have run off stage!)I walked a very straight and narrow path, trying to fit in. For what?! I could really go off on a tangent...but I won't. | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.28.249 |
Brenda, My darling Brenda, You were probably the one good thing that came out of Grenville for me. I too have thought of you often, and remember all our late night talks, and hugs. Remember we "camped out one night in the sunroom in the dorm where we had to iron everything? I have never had a best friend like you since those days, because I always compared everyone to you, and no one ever came close. You were my one true friend, and I can't tell you how happy I am to hear from you. You speak of me being so smart, and all those great attributes, but Brenda Grenville staff made sure I didn't feel that way about myself. You know I have never worn a bathing suit since Grenville, because I still feel my body should be covered it's ugly, and should not atract attention. Crazy stuff I know, but so much damage was done there it just sickens me. Brenda you my dear have made my day!! | ||
| rozpriceenglish New member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.129.75.137 |
Hi All, Rosalyn Price English Student 89 - 91(ish) Staff 91 - 93 (ish) Did the 'transition' from student to staff by going to school part of the time and being on staff part of the time. Graduated from 12th, then worked through 13. I don't see many from that era around... | ||
| himalayan New member Username: himalayan Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.52.59.60 |
1985-1987 | ||
| oneflewover New member Username: oneflewover Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 216.191.155.82 |
Re: timeline. "Staff kid" Jan. '70 until July '75. Hunting high and low for fellow '70s people and feeling very sorry for those who suffered through the '80s. | ||
| brendabrown New member Username: brendabrown Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 72.45.9.230 |
Cathy - contact me at mbmlolds@hotmail.com It will be great to catch up! Brenda | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.15 |
Oh my god, you all keep coming out of the wood work! You know Catherine I was talking about you the other day as someone who was with us in those days was asking about you and your sister. I must say girl, I am shocked always thought your sister would be the rebellious one and not you. As for you Miss Brown, cheers girl, and how is your sister? If you are interested I am Liane Ross... and you all can reach me at lianeross@porchlight.ca Mike wagner... I remember you too... I think I was there with you since the 70's I was in 7th grade and you in 8th... you are from Brantfor originally I think... right? | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.15 |
Hi all, I am not certain how I feel when I read these posts. But, my lack of knowing my own emotions is part of my souvenier collection from GCC. I know I have carried a lot of hell with me for 20 some odd years and suffered greatly in relationships and friendships of all kind because of my inability to trust and talk about how I feel and even recognize it. For a place that always wanted us to talk and say how we felt, you learned to clam up and deny things right quick, because as soon as they got into your brain...man you were cooked. For a place that preached love, I became judgemental and mean after my time there. I was naieve and lacked a lot of social skills, sure I had manners and can easily dress for dinner and a banquet of large numbers... but, I did not know how to connect with people and share any kind of intimacy. I am always ready for the photo op and press release kinda deal... I am sure you know what I mean...but, intimacy and being real that is a struggle. For years I thought it was me and me alone who had the nightmares and that something was wrong with me... I was "wrong"..maybe "I needed to pray!" Maybe, I really was this horrible rebellious loser. But, I see now that so many have fall out from that place. I am sorry for your pain and I am sorry for your dysfunction because I know how I am. But, as I say I am glad I am not alone and that people are finally begining to speak about it. I am begining to see too that some of the friendships could have been stronger while we were there too...but, you never knew who to trust. So, I thank you all for coming fwd, and thank the person who created this forum... sincerly, Liane Marie Ross | ||
| papillon New member Username: papillon Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 24.40.146.45 |
That's nice LMR, thanks for posting. Welcome to you and all of the recent posters ... | ||
| cryfreedom New member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 20 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
Liane---------So well said!!! I can't agree more with you about a place that encouraged you to "be honest" and talk about your emotions but the minute you did you were shot down or "corrected" for those feelings. So that taught us pretty damn early to keep quite and not express how we felt. Therefore not really giving us good life skills in the long run. I just dusted off some yearbooks from the back of the closet and have been having a "blast from the past". Liane and Brenda I sent you a P.M so not to take up too much space over here. Wonderful to see so many sharing and voicing here-----love that freedom of speech!!! Cheers------Dawn | ||
| bluesman New member Username: bluesman Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.83.79.247 |
My heart is breaking Liane as I read your posting. How many years you have carried such sadness in your relationships! Not long ago I was forced by circumstances to face what my time at Grenville had done to me....most all of me....my thought patterns, my emotions, my relationships to others, etc. Like you I had lived in fear that crippled many relationships, but mostly I was unable to be "honest". I have been fortunate to have had the opportunity to receive some valuable professional help that has really changed my life. I feel so completely overwhelmed to know that so many individuals who were students at GCC have carried this burden for so many many years. For any of you, please let me know if there is anyway I can assist you in finding help in getting rid of these demons...because you now know that it is not just you, and that there is hope for something better. | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Hey Liane! Yes I remember you!. You were a year behind me and had the likes of Kyle Dowling, Andrew Lamb..etc. in you class. Those were interesting times back then! I remember constantly getting stuck with shovelling •••• in the barns....I hate horses to this day..ahhaha. Anyways..good to hear from you. Hope you make it to the official closing in September! | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Hello Brenda Brown!! Long time no chat! So you still a George Bush supporter??...hahahaha..well, we won't hold it against you if you are...well, i'll try anyways!!! lol | ||
| brendabrown New member Username: brendabrown Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 72.45.9.230 |
Liane - so good to hear from you! Funny how just a name can take me back. I have to be honest guys - my first reaction when thinking of all of you is good times! And keep in mind that feeling "dysfunctional" is not just an after GCC thing. Welcome to the world! And I love ya anyway! And as for Mike - Do my views sound conservative or liberal? maybe Christian? ;) Truth be told I hate politics. It can be so black and white. As for being a supporter...I support you! Brenda (My daughter is looking at yearbook photos! What a hoot! That's MR. Pirate King!) | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.240 |
well Miss Brown, it is all good and you are right... welcome to the world! I am not saying it was all bad but it certainly did change a lot of us... Hey, I liked some stuff there and lets face it for many of us it was home. I loved the food we ate, and still make some of the recipes, I liked Friday night activites and things like that. But, it did warp a lot of us too. Mike, yeah that is right I was with Kyle Dowling, and Andrew Lamb and Stephen Pehar..now that kid was funny as was Chris Maracle... I like horses to this day and again that is something positive I had at GCC. I loved riding. brenda you are right names take us back, and sometimes it seems like a million years ago and somethings for me seem like yesterday. I am so glad to hear from all of you. My e-mail was included in a post and anyone is welcome to use it.. or find me on facebook...it is under Liane Marie Ross. | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
Wow what a busy night/day, but this is agood thing. Speaking of freedom of speech what a joke that was. I tried freedom of speech, and just got knocked down so much that even today I still am very cautious, and guarded when it comes to being honest. I think I learned to shut up, and put a smile on my face, just to be left alone.I remember writing a speech on Problems Jews Have Living In A Christian Society. I told the audience Martin luther although a great Christian had ordered the slaughter of Jesw during the reformation, and all in the name of God. Well Holy S*** this was just not acceptable I was ordered to take it out or I could not go to the semi-finals competion. Free Speech my •••-I never did go to the semi-finals. | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Is anybody out there going to the closing ceremonies or whatever theyre calling them in September? It would be fun to talk about old times..good and bad..and maybe get some closure together!! | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.152 |
Doubting very much I am going... although, it might be good to finally get that closure that you speak of. Un employed right now and money is tight and not sure I can afford it... I am not sure either I am entirely ready to see the old joint...but, it is something I am open to possibly thinking about... But, in all honesty..I doubt it. | ||
| rozpriceenglish New member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.168.56.93 |
i have decided not to go, but was thinking about trying to get a reunion of sorts together for the new england/ny/pa region. i don't need to go back for closure, already did that, and am not sure i can stomach all the hooplah that will be going on without a balance of truth. also, the staff will be going through a VERY difficult, emotional time and i'm way too sensitive not to be affected by it. all in all, emotional health first. | ||
| certavi_et_vici New member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 63.28.37.166 |
I will be there for closure and to see old friends. I think God is at work in all of this. | ||
| staff_kid_survivor New member Username: staff_kid_survivor Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.230.4.19 |
I was at GCC from 1970 - 2000. YIKES! (But the last two years I was not living there anymore...which was revolutionary for staff at the time) I will be going to the closing ceremonies because there are a lot of staff who I admire for their loyalty and dedication (albeit misguided). Even though I endured decades of mental abuse, brainwashing and subjugation, there are some good memories - especially of the many amazing students that went there. I'd love to reconnect with anyone that feels so inclined. I'm finding it so fascinating to see how everyone managed to move on after such strange and difficult experiences. | ||
| brendabrown New member Username: brendabrown Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 72.45.9.230 |
D-twin with a bit of detective work, I have pin pointed what class you were in. (not to mention the fact that being a twin myself, we tend to remember fellow twins!) Need an update on Hal Dumbrille. Although there was several years between us, we were buddies. Did he graduate from GCC? Any news? Probably not the right forum for this kind of info - just curious. How about Tim Landon? He kept in touch for a while after I graduated. I must have been pretty involved with me in 83-84. I don't remember you (either one of you) as being the D type. Didn't you find having your brother with you comforting? What on earth could you possibly have done for FF to paddle you? I was actually paddled within my home for attitude problems until I was 17-18. And looking back, I've got to laugh cuz I was a GOOD kid! Again - if I could go back, I definately would have raised more hell. (Message edited by BrendaBrown on August 11, 2007) | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Staff kid survivor...for the life of me I cant figure out who you are!! I went to GCC from 77-84. Who are you? If you not comfortable revealing yourself on this thread..email me at michael.wagener@gov.ab.ca | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.21 |
I am sorry, please believe me: Staff kid, I have a feeling I know who you are.. and I think you were a bit younger than a couple of us recent posters. I am curious though who you are as well... you can e-mail me at lianeross@porchlight.ca I would again like to apologize to the staff kids and COJ kids as I too was ignorant enough to believe that you had it easier than us. I guess a lot of you just figured the game out and went with the flow. Albeit I do remember times when some of you went through silent periods and or disappeared for a bit and we figured you were in trouble for something or another. | ||
| pootietang New member Username: pootietang Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 209.190.196.242 |
I'll probably be there for the closing ceremonies. After years of telling my husband stories about the place, I'd like to show him the place and take a last look around before it all goes away. There are people there I want to say goodbye to as well. Josephine/Jo Lavuna (I go by Josie now) '88-'91 | ||
| certavi_et_vici New member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 63.28.88.165 |
Josie, I do hope you can come to the reunion. Some of us are organising our own reunion on Facebook. We were in the same grade and in X Country Running together in 88. I have missed you ever so much. (Message edited by Certavi et Vici on August 11, 2007) | ||
| usedtobethere New member Username: usedtobethere Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 209.47.31.5 |
I can't decide whether to attend or not, I am keeping my options open for a little while. I would go mainly to see you all (alumni) as the reunions on campus will now be a 'thing of the past'. The last get togethers with the dances were fun, quite a change indeed! I think I would have to sit close to the door so when the real BS starts to flow, I could fake food poisoning and exit for awhile. I honestly don't think I have the stomach to listen to the 'Grenville spin' on everything, knowing (and learning more daily) what long lasting trauma a lot of you have endured. I had a thought that if I go, I should wear a wrist band with my username emblazened in it to identify myself. | ||
| trashyking New member Username: trashyking Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.163.29.166 |
i was there 89-91. I will go to the closing i think. perhaps it will lend some closure to a moment that completely changed my life. I'll be glad to see it go. that place was hell for me. | ||
| trashyking New member Username: trashyking Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.163.29.166 |
oh boarding student. | ||
| grenvillan88 New member Username: grenvillan88 Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.99.246.147 |
last week when i told my mum about gcc's closure, her tone turned to disgust as she said "oh, i just got another letter from them begging for money" i do have a feeling that it will be a begging session and if i do go i'm walking with petty/ party cash only and all credit cards locked up in my safe. the begging has already started on the gcc facebook site anyone marketing foil caps to deflect brainwashing? hehehe | ||
| cryfreedom New member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
••••, don't get me started about the begging thing!! I just don't have time to even go over to Facebook to hear the B.S over there(as it is all I can do to keep up over here). I can't tell you how many phone calls I have received over the years(mainly from the CofJ)asking for money. It is shameless!! One Sunday morning I received an early morning call and mumbled that I was really hungover and hung up. Needless to say I didn't hear back from them. But honestly, for those of you considering going to the Closing-----leave your credit cards at home!! You don't owe them any money and they should be ashamed to be asking for it. WTF??!!! | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 15 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
After reading this and seeing all you here, I think I really want to go to the closing. I don't have a car right now, and have a broken foot so maybe if anyone is cruising through Maine on their way up I could hitch a ride? I would love to see some of you, and celebrate the victory of the end of what, for me, was dantes inferno. I guess I really have nothing to hide, and don't feel the need to stay anonymous anymore. Why continue to be afraid after all these years, right? Although sometimes it's hard not too. I actually found myself thinking when I broke my foot the other day that they had somehow cursed me because they don't like what I have been saying about them on the internet. It really irks me that I still have mental residue from that place. Anyways, this is Ruth B born at COJ in 1973, sent to Grenville end of my 8th grade year in 1987, graduated 1991 and ran away from COJ in 1991. Spent lots of time on D, lived with the Childs for a lot of that time, and saw the devil in Joan's eyes more than once. I really look forward to seeing people at the closing thingamajiggy if I can get up there! This forum and everything you all have been writing has been so helpful to me. Thank you so much. | ||
| grenvillegrad New member Username: grenvillegrad Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.49.109.93 |
I was there from 1992-1995, boarding student. I've just been discovering this forum and am so glad to have found a place to work through some of the things I witnessed and experienced with people who understand. | ||
| rozpriceenglish New member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.135.162.148 |
Dream-truth, I wish I could give you a great big hug. I remember how difficult a time you had of it. Isn't it so sad that instead of teaching us to truly care for each other all they did was pit us against each other??? There was no encouragement to bear each other's burdens... I love the quote from Dune (I'm sure I'll botch it a bit) "Fear is the mind-killer. I will face my fear and allow it to pass through me and when it is gone, I will remain." You have nothing to fear because you did nothing wrong. Sigh. Just breaks my heart thinking about how tough it was for you. I'm so glad you had the courage to get out, and so sad no one supported you. <hugs> | ||
| mike_irvine New member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.59.81.250 |
i was there from 89-94 grad 9 to OAC...although with my top secret name you'll still have difficulty figuring out who i am. i would also like to see peoples names if they feel comfortable doing so. or if you feel like reconnecting you can email me at thebigm@gmail.com this forum makes me actually consider going to this closing thingy - perhaps just so that i can try to find FF's portrait(if it's not already in the trash) and steal it. something about about that place brings out the juvenile delinquent in me... who want's to go with me? noonan? gayatgcc (pretty darn sure i know who you are)?anyone else who i have yet to have deciphered? | ||
| sam83 New member Username: sam83 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.121.18.151 |
Boarding student from 1980-83. Left after grade 12. Hi Dawn, I remember you in grade 9. | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
Hey roz, thanks for your kind words! I remember you well and how you really had a time of it as well. I remember there were some things I really liked about you and was sad when it seemed like they had roped you in and kinda "caught" you. I am so glad that you are happy and free now, and here on this forum! Yes it is sad how many of us were pitted against each other, but we were pretty much forced to do it. It actually makes perfect sense when you read the dynamics consistent in mind control environments, makes one think certain people in authority were very aware of what they were doing. I found the writings of Robert J Lifton and Margaret Singer to be very interesting and shed a lot of light on the stuff we experienced, especially in those wonderful luncheons (ugh) and "light" session. | ||
| dvlpstrgth New member Username: dvlpstrgth Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.98.139.248 |
I have to say I have learned ALOT from this forum, only having been directed to it after learning of the dimise of GCC. I can't honestly give you a straight emotion on that - my time there was what it was, a means to an end - an education, discipline for someone who was more interested in her EQ than IQ. There were plenty of us there who were sent by parents who believed that boarding school was a good place to grow up, I don't negate this - however I flew under the radar for the most part - I quickly (within a few weeks of arriving) learned what the game was and played it. We all arrived, unless you were otherwise enlghtened with further knowledge of - a staff / staff child / COJ Member - what GCC was about. We need to look a little deeper into why some are holding the staff accountable for what you see as the shortfalls in your life years later. I agree , the place was not perfect but we went of sound mind and were influenced one way or another. I DO NOT agree that everyone's trials in life can be held accountable to GCC. For the staff, staff kids, COJ members who were a part of what I have been reading - I do feel for you, this is a different scenario all together and I realized everytime I went home, I had some normalcy to go to, or at least access - that was then in my control. i am not venturing to minimize anyone's emotions but in some regards you need to look at that bigger picture and relize that in 2-3-4 years of your life there were worse things happening to other people on this planet. You had to wake up and have a 5 minute shower, clean a toilet and obey the rules. We now do that in our every day life - albeit - you chooose to oversleep and take a 5 minute shower, nor hire a cleaning lady and report to a boss that you don't love. Best to those who were directly related to the COJ or GCC as I do believe that you were exposed to much that the regular students were not - and I am generalizing as there are families that were of the same mindset but not directly connected... for the rest - move on. | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.221 |
Hey Sam, you must have been there with me too... I would be interested to know who you are and if you like... you can e-mail me at...lianeross@porchlight.ca | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
Wow!! I am sure the last post will get alot of feedback, and thank goodness for fredom of speech. Mnay of us have been silent for far too long. Whe you speak of our emotions let me just clarify these are not simply emotions. Awful things did happen to us, and at a very young, and impressionable age. I cannot speak for others, but I know for myself I take full responsibility for all my actions, or lack of actions in my adult life. I do not roll over, and play dead because of GCC, but instead I have used my experience as dreadful as it was to strenghen me as an individual ,and make me a better person. Never have I said all my trials in life are directly related to GCC. I have however spoken about the experiences-NOT EMOTIONs that have affected me. I cannot take responsibility for the things that happened to me there when I was a child. I can however take responsibility for how I am going to deal with what happened. I think if you take some more time, and read these posts you will see many of us are taking responsibility as adults, and healing ourselves with the goal in mind to overcome and be better persons to ourselves, and our loved ones. One last note yes worst things have happened to other people, but please don't take away what has happened to us. I have a son named Scottie, who is severely retarded, and has had so many brain surgerys it sickens me. We have lived at sick kids for months at a time, and yes I am always reminded that someone else is worse off than Scottie other parents are hurting more, but that does not take away from my pain. I have every right to be acknowleged, and at the same time have compassion for someone else who may just be hurting more. Just something to think about, but I do appreciate your honesty, and viewpoint. Respectfully Purgatory | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
develop strenth---You never did give your GCC timeline under the thread GCC timeline??? | ||
| mike_irvine New member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.59.81.250 |
hey dvlpstrgth, you said you were not trying to minimize anyone's emotions but our entire post does just that. this the first time many of us had had a real chance to talk about how life at gcc effected them - an exercise i feel is cathartic and healthy. and comparing the stories we are telling to the experiences of "other people on the planet" is just umm... plain stupid. | ||
| dvlpstrgth New member Username: dvlpstrgth Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.98.139.248 |
Purgatory - this is not about being contentious.. freedom of speech as you said. Don't think I was above what went on, I was stood up, singled out, running the property at 6am for a bad attitude... prefects falsifying stories to get me in further trouble.. discipline, suspension, being hauled out of bed in the middle of the night to be hollered at by FF with the rest of the "cold grits" - sitting in a separate part of the dining room for weeks at silent tables. I also experienced a list of things that I could go on with, my point being it was 3-4 years of my life that I will forever refuse to impact the rest of my life. I am in control of my life not them. | ||
| mike_irvine New member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.59.81.250 |
hey dvlpstrgth, you said you were not trying to minimize anyone's emotions but our entire post does just that. this the first time many of us had had a real chance to talk about how life at gcc effected them - an exercise i feel is cathartic and healthy. and comparing the stories we are telling to the experiences of "other people on the planet" is just umm... plain stupid. | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
I'm glad to hear you are in control of your life, and as an adult I would expect you would be. Wether you chose to believe it or not your childhood does affect who you become.As stated earlier many good things can come out of awful situations, and from many people who do know me now, and knew me then know I am a very positive person full of hope despite certain experiences. I'm not sure where you got contentious from, because I most sincerely do mean I appreciate your opinion, because I do value freedom of speech.I as well never thought you were above anything-I wouldn't because I do not know you. And so I am done with this particular discussion-anyone else want to weigh in?? | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.221 |
You know I am sitting here and thinking do I or don't I want to get involved in this one?? I think one thing I have learned (albeit a hard one to learn) is when to pick something worth getting excited about... battles.. I am not battling though, but I gotta take Purgs side here... A lot of us that I am familiar with on this site are in our 40's (sorry to out some of ya) and I do not think we are blaming anything on anybody... we are not whining... just simply sharing experiences... and it is a journey to self discovery as well... I have sat back after reading postings on this and thought... ••••, Leigh.. that is where that came from... good to know... and get some help changing that. It is a validation to some of us that we did not dream it... It is 20 years later or a life time for some and we have the right to talk.. it is a part of who we are and where we have been and it is our story, our history. You know what there are worse off out there... I know that... I worked in social serivces for a while and worked with severly mentally ill people. And, I thank God I was strong enough to over come and make it... because I saw so many struggling with a disease in their minds... I know people are obviously struggling like purg with family issues... I know people are poor, I live in Hamilton Ontario Canada...take a drive here and you will see poverty at it's worst!! But, what we are doing is sharing ourselves in the hope of making a connection with someone else... the idea is to heal and move on... Life ain't freakin easy, people are not meant to be alone and pain is meant to be healed and if sharing it heals... I say go for it!... It has also been a way to re connect for many of us after so many years... and wondering...hey what about so n so??? I think I have had fun here too... Another thing I have learned is to minimize somebodys pain is a put down to them... I would not minimize anybodys... We are all equipped differently, some stronger some weaker... some of brown hair others have blonde... some have green eyes and some have blue... we are different, and just because an indivdual is not effected by something that another is... does not mean that down the road the original indivdual will not be effected by something...so having your friends to share with and bounce ideas off is a GOOD THING! I am an idvidual and these are only my thoughts... I am grateful that there were those who had an excellent time at GCC and enjoy their life at the community... It did not happen for me and that is okay... If you read some other posts I have made I have some good memories too... | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
Mike, I think you might have meant to say "you were not trying to minimize anyone's emotions but YOUR post does just that" Sorry Mike, but I didn't want anyone thinking this forum is all about minimizing "OUR" forum. And thank-you Mike for weighing in, because that one post just kind of got to me. | ||
| certavi_et_vici New member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 63.28.51.211 |
Ruth, I would be happy to drive you to the closing ceremony. Some of us are also organising a reunion. I can fly into Boston, hire a car and drive up to collect you on my way. I do plan to stay in Brockville for a couple of days. Would you need to get back to Maine right away? All the best, | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.221 |
okay this is the 2nd or third time I have heard "cold grits"... somebody pls explain!!!Also yeah... what is your time line...develop strenght....only because it seems that some of the Discipline got a lil harsher after my time line. Never had to run a track, I cleanned a lot, did a lot of pots... and did the slilence thing for a weekend...man, that was the only discipline that hurt... and to this day I don't understand what it was supposed to teach me... It seems the only diff being... that when I was silenced, I was the only one and had to carry on with my day to day and eat at my table and hang with my roomies...only I could not talk. I was not ostracized and outcasted to a separte area, I had to be silent in a vocal world... and it was hard! | ||
| usedtobethere Junior Member Username: usedtobethere Post Number: 29 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 209.47.31.5 |
certavi_et_vici: Hurray for you, so very kind and thoughtful - I have been racking my brain trying to figure out how to get 'dream_truth' back to GCC for closure and the acknowledgment that is due to her for starting this forum last year. Best wishes to you certavi_et_vici for all your support and insight. | ||
| westcedar1 New member Username: westcedar1 Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 12.45.228.13 |
mike- I plan on attending, if nothing else then to catch up with old friends like you and reminise about the good times (like when we made you the Rudy of the Sr. Boys BB team). Chris Johnson, 94 | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
On a positive note three cheers to the one who is helping to get dream truth to the closing.As i have said earlier, and strongly maintain some good can come out of such difficult times, and this is just one example. I see on this forum much compassion for old friends, and strangers alike. This is Christianity at it's finest! Dream truth I am so grateful to you for starting this forum, and hold you in the highest regard Most Sincerely, Catherine Goss Forsythe | ||
| jes_noonan New member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
Miketh: you KNOW I'll go with you. That'll be good times right there kid. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Cold grits was a term used for a group of us that got into trouble and had to run every morning before wake up. I can't remember what movie or where F2 got it from but he use to say the worst kind of grits (southern food) were cold grits. Anyone remember cutting the front grass with scissors in 86? | ||
| breaker_19_girl New member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.46 |
Hey Bossman, thanks for defining that for me... I am sorry I have to laugh cutting the front lawn with scissors... hahahaha... That would have been an excellent D. I wish that they could have been more creative with me... that would have been fun. Sorry, if it was misery for you though. I got to scrub pots, and clean and stuff... We did not have run, I dont think. | ||
| mike_irvine New member Username: mike_irvine Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.59.81.250 |
roger! jesseth! this thing could actually be really fun! | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.49.85.152 |
Bossman, I can remember F2 sneering that phase at me, I had forgotten all about it… at the time I had no clue what he was going on about when he was talking about cold grits… having not being from the south and all. dvlpstrgth – I find your post self-righteous and a little disrespectful for a lot of the people that have posted here. You really rubbed my fur the wrong way. I feel strongly that GCC treated the students in a degrading fashion that really walked the line on being psychologically abusive. I am pleased that this clearly didn’t impact you, but why judge others if it impacted them. | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
QUOTE FROM PURGATORY I have a son named Scottie, who is severely retarded, and has had so many brain surgerys it sickens me. We have lived at sick kids for months at a time, and yes I am always reminded that someone else is worse off than Scottie other parents are hurting more, but that does not take away from my pain. I have every right to be acknowleged, and at the same time have compassion for someone else who may just be hurting more. ------END OF QUOTE HI CATHERINE-----Have been thinking of this post today! Was wondering how old Scottie is? He has been in my thoughts and I hope all is well with him. I'm sure you are a wonderfully strong mother and Scottie is lucky to have you!! Love to you and your whole family!!! | ||
| sildag New member Username: sildag Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.48.198 |
anyone from class of 90? | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
I was there in 90. | ||
| alway_on_d New member Username: alway_on_d Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.49.85.152 |
I was there in 90 as well | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
sildag: I was class of 91.. Thanks certavi_et_vici!!! How do I get in touch with you? | ||
| sildag New member Username: sildag Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.48.198 |
anyone remember a guy who was not happy? If you knew him, you will get it. | ||
| dan_grant New member Username: dan_grant Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 142.59.68.139 |
Hello everyone. My name is Dan Grant. I was a boarding student at GCC grade 7 in 1978 and after 5 years grade 12 in 1983. I was expelled from Gcc 2 weeks before graduation. I have had the pleasure of reading the posts submitted by other former students. Thanks to Mike Wagner for letting me know about this forum. I am so very sad to hear the hurt others have had to suffer and work through. I would like to tell you all a bit of my story. As a child I was "given up" by my biological mother when I was 9 years old, and luckily addopted when I was 12 by my parents. They felt it was in my best interest to attend GCC. So after huge dollars were paid out I was enrolled. Now believe me that a child of 15 is not mature enough to be thrown into GCC(just my Feelings).I was not one to tow the party line, I was given pots for months at a time. I think I was most confussed when puberty started the hormones up and the girls started to look pretty good. I had such a crush on Dawn Robertson, Julie Entwisle her sister Vicky, Beth Levering and so many others. Yet GCC told us it was sinful to look below the neck. I still remember the "boys meeting" in that new dinning hall all of us in our pj's and slippers. Well needless to say I was so screwed up when I was expelled. I had never kissed a girl, gone on a date. So I did the only thing I could think of I joined the Army. I did three years and grew up. I left the army and became a calgary police office. I have left the service now going on 12 years. Now I tell you this only to let you know I am ok. It took me a long time to get over it. I have a lot of great memories about GCC. Most were the social events, square dancing, treasure hunts, family night. The banquets and grad cerimonies. So many good memories and so many more that are not so good. I will NOT be going to the closing event. I am actually glad the school is closing. I would never send my kids there not if it was free. I have been married to the same beautiful woman for the past 18 years I have two beautiful girls, 12 and 8. I love what life has given me. I have never in the past 24 years received an invitation to attend the allumni weekends, a request for money or even a hello. I have attempted to get e mail addresses for allumni but Andrew McNeil has never responded. I guess when GCC kicks you out you are out for good. From what I hear after I left the school got really bad. There were never early morning running. I was paddled, but that occured in my first year. Farnsworth seems to have lost it, have not heard about Haig, but I am new to this site. Hope someone will fill in the details. Thanks to all of you for sharing on this board. Thank you for letting me share my story. If I could change anything I would like to go back in time to participate in my grade 12 grad. I hope to chat on this site more and maybe if any of you are from my era one on one via e mail. grannydant@hotmail.com Goodbye Dan Grant | ||
| sam83 New member Username: sam83 Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.121.18.151 |
Danny! If you have the 1983 year book, you will see you and me in a picture on p8. The picture captures for me my defining moment at GCC -- scrubbing pots while in our uniform. But we were laughing our heads off. I never understood why students would get kicked out right before graduation. During my time there, I remember there were others too (e.g. Paul Z?). Edmond (edsam at yahoo.com) | ||
| wagener84 New member Username: wagener84 Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 68.151.117.98 |
Wow Cath...your story has hit home with me too. My 8 year old son Cody was born with a massive brain hemmhorage and suffered significant brain damage at birth. He had about 4 surgeries during his first months of life to drain fluid, and install a catheter shunt. He didnt walk until he was 3 but he has truly become our miracle baby. Not only has he survived but he has developed into a healthy, happy child. Yes, he has ongoing issues and requires a personal aide in school..but we love him dearly nonetheless. Yes, the first few years were difficult and my wife and I were both overcome with depression (nothing a little Paxil couldn't cure..lol)but we are very blessed. I hope you are able to experience the joy of your son and are getting the support you need to cope. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Mike W. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
"Sadly" I remember the guy who was sad!! But do you remember me. You had to get the balls out of the net when I kicked them. Did you ever find your watch? | ||
| certavi_et_vici Junior Member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 63.28.34.168 |
Ruth, The pleasure is all mine. Do you have an email address that I can contact you on? If you prefer, I could leave a telephone number. sildag: I was in the class of 90. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.216 |
Hey Danny, I remember you and I just e-mailed you... Hahahaha.... I was booted two weeks before grad too.... And, Edmund I had forgotten about Paul Z, but yeah he was booted wasn't he? I think it likely had to do with a girl I think.... He was kinda neat though and well liked...But, always on "D" too as it were... I was booted because I kissed a boy too... it was real short and quick. Somebody saw or had the intutuion and told... and whamo Liane was gone... the boy got to stay and he was not even disciplined to my knowledge. | ||
| purgatory New member Username: purgatory Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.229.31.197 |
Hej Dawn, and Mike, Scottie turned 12 in April. He "graduated" from Gr6, and has been in a "special"day camp this summer. He is such a happy boy, and I learn so much from him about life, and about myself.He has been seizure free for almost a yr now (with medication) Last summer was brutal he was having up to 15 seizures a day, and finally after spending another holiday at Sick kids we got the med's just right. He started walking at the age of 4, and was non verbal till 5, but now he is always talking!!!I think we went over board on speech therapy cuz now he won't be quiet.He may not know what day of the week it is, or where he lives, but man I have a better converstion with him sometimes than I do with adults. Dawn--thank-you so very much for your kind words, and I can tell from these posts you have really overcome so much. You are an inspiration to many who are at different stages of healing. Cheers to all | ||
| tmw Junior Member Username: tmw Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.70.68.106 |
bossman......just one minor correction to your cold grits The original "cold grits" were girls, and they had not done anything wrong, but FF "knew" that they were doing something wrong in their mind, as I recall it. So these girls were singled out, in chaple (the old chaple) in front of all the other girls (a light session sort of), while the boys were in the dining room learning to be men by watching the movie "Patten" I believe. They had to run every morning and then their spare time was eaten up with extra work jobs. they were allowed to wear the uniform and go to classes, but that was about it. The "cold grits" term was used as a metaphor to describe the girls and their "bad thoughts". The idea was to inspire them to become something more than "cold grits". | ||
| sildag New member Username: sildag Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.48.198 |
bossman and certavi : i am his wife of 8 years. he has been suffering a great deal all his life because of GCC and what he went through. I am the one who found this site, in order to try and find a way of helping him get through this. He gives me little pieces of info here and there, but he cannot open up entirely, it is too hard for him. I need more insight on what happened to him, and I was thinking that people who knew him then could give me that. If you know other people on the site who knew him more, maybe you could point them my way. He is a wonderful man, has done a lot with his life, but GCC ruined a part of his soul and identity. I want nothing more than to try and help him get it back. Thanks | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Thanks for jogging my memory. So we should thank you girls for the early runs. Never saw the new chapel while I was there. Remember the Patten movie (several times) also remember a movie called True Grit wondering if that has any play on it. sildag, I am sure I know who your man is. See if he wants to join in on the site. He doesn't have to be "Sad" all the time. (Message edited by BossMan on August 14, 2007) | ||
| sildag New member Username: sildag Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.48.198 |
bossman: i have told him many times about the site, but he refuses to come on. i don't know exactly why, maybe too much pain, i don't know. That's why I need to know more, and am trying to find out from people who knew him well back then. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
I roomed with him for a while and chated all the time. Not sure what you are after and this open forum may not be the avenue for it. | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 26 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
I was there in '90 as well. Bossman: I'll catch up with you via e-mail some more. certavi: I think that I know who you are...can you email me? I want to talk to you outside of this. jes_noonan@hotmail.com | ||
| sildag New member Username: sildag Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.48.198 |
bossman: you are right, it certainly is not the right avenue, but i don't know what else to do. I am just trying to help him, I guess this is not the way. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Not sure how we can lure him on to chat but let him know there are people that were friends with him at school on this. Also we have all been judged before at GCC and that part is over. Everyone took something different out of it and we a just sharing experiences with others that may have been there or gone through the same thing. As back then some people couldn't share or didn't know how. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.240 |
Hey bossman, I was thinking before I went to sleep last night that my post about cutting the lawn with scissors might have been offensive. It is just when I read it that it brought back the memories of when the staff had other things to do and for Chapel after breakfast they would send us to walk around silently in the front. No talking and just like reading a bible and communing with God I guess... I am not sure what the point was. We were not allowed to speak till we got to class that day or any day we did that particular routine. I used to watch the cars drive down the road and try to put my self in their place and imagine what they must have been thinking, seeing this sea of tartan walking aimlessly and reading bibles. So, when I read your post it took me back and I could imagine these young kids sitting there with scissors and cutting the lawn and again thinking about what the traffic driving by must have thought. I think really it was truly a bizzare punishment... | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.240 |
to add to that post, I was thinking too ... remember going to town, for some of us it was a chance to escape to the real world. One Saturday though I had enough of the jeers and stares and comments from the town kids and I rarely went back after that. It did not bother me so much to be in uniform at the time, it was more being identified by my uniform and thus having the people in town so oblivious to what was really happening thinking WE LOVED what were doing or that we all were of one mind just like the BORG. I was a a kid back then so any slight on my self was a living hell it likely would not bug me as much now...but when your a kid and picked on life sucks.... And, we couldn't fight back tell the truth and that we were pretty much hostages against our will and that really were just like them or you did get "D" when you got back. So, yea... I am thinking those are the memories I had when I read your posting Bossman I did not say it to diminish anything. I think with the help of this forum I have put aside a lot of my anger and the like and some stuff is just kinda bizzare and funny in a twilight zone kinda way... | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.240 |
Sildag, Straight up, you are a caring and loving wife. And my prayers go to you as well. your husband obviously had a hard time of it. It is something he will have to realize on his own and hopefully connecting with some of the lads on here might help him to slowly open up. It seems to me in my mind that a lot of the wrose abuse happened after my day and I am sorry to all of you for that. I do know though I was sad for a long time and I met a girl via the internet who did some time with me back in my day, and that was 3 or 4 years ago and we have connected all that time and have a good relationship I think. But, my point is it took me from that day all those years ago when I met her again to get to where I am now and had it not been for her I promise you I would not be on this forum I too would be cowering. So, it will take time because obviously he was so badly affected. I hope one day he gets to where he can talk and be okay. My thoughts to you are to stay strong, keep trying and by all means continue to be the loving and fantastic person that you are. And, thank you too for understanding and not judging.... Liane Marie Ross | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.133.244.124 |
Sildag, You may find that it's helpful to just read through a lot of these threads and see what you pick up. I'm not sure who your husband is, but I know that since finding this board my husband has been hearing his share of strange stories, seeing a lot of emotion bubbling up, and seeing how excited I am to hear from people I never even thought LIKED me. His response is to ask who he needs to beat up. What he means though, is that he's here for me. Maybe right now that's all your husband needs. And if you feel comfortable, maybe you could ask him some questions. But the bottom line is that you are fabulous for caring and no matter what happens, I'm sure he appreciates that you just want him to be whole and happy. (pardon the pun) From the guys who say they knew him, he may have been in my class as well. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
breaker_19_girl I was laughing while cutting the lawn. It will take a lot more to offend me so don't worry. I wish more people would laugh about the punishments and see how crazy the place was. Imagine driving by and seeing people cutting grass with scissors what must they have thought. I remember getting laughed at in uniform at the mall also but I changed that PDQ and it didn't happen to me much after that. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Think about the first post from Sildag Roz and you will remember who it was. | ||
| cryfreedom Junior Member Username: cryfreedom Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.226.27.60 |
HI CATHERINE---" Scottie turned 12 in April. He "graduated" from Gr6, and has been in a "special"day camp this summer. He is such a happy boy, and I learn so much from him about life, and about myself."----Thanks for letting me know ahout Scottie. He sounds like a wonderful little boy and is obviously the love of your life. Glad to hear he is doing well and talking up a storm. | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 74.105.220.14 |
finally figured out who sildeag's husband is. Hope everything works out for him, he was a solid guy. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.6 |
Thanks bossman, I kinda knew by your posts you would not be offeded, but felt I better cover bases all around. I think the punishments were outragous, cutting the grass is too much with scissors and has become an inside joke with me. A friend of mine mentioned he had to go to his trailor this weekend and cut the grass... I offered him some scissors... LOL... I have actually gotten to the point this week where I can laugh and I thank GAWD people like you exist Bossman and are not easily offended and I hope that soon the rest on here can get there too... It in no way diminishs anything we have been through, but sometimes man you just gotta laugh... | ||
| dream_truth New member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 72.45.165.10 |
sildag - I can't figure out from your posts who he is, just because i didnt know anyone was sadder than me...but from the year I probobly know him. Feel free to email me at the below address, I've been at this a while and have some good contacts and info on recovery from this stuff I could pass on to you. I dont check the email that often, so let me know if you reply and I'll check it. certavi_et_vici - please email me at this address too so we can talk! thanks, mindawake@gmail.com | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
I kinda got through GCC laughing all the way. Those who figured out who I am will remember not much was taken too seriously. I am pretty much the same way now as I was back then. Hope you lend your friend scissors with a funky shape design. It may take a while but the finished product is magical. Good on you Jes for solving the mystery about Sildag he was the best guy I ever knew. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.6 |
Cripes...never thought about arsty fartsy sissors, absolutely an inventive idea, it is a new dimension in feng shui... Or those bonsai trees only with grass... Brilliance bossman brilliance!! And Sildag: so many people care so I hope he can figure that out, even those of us who did not have the pleasure and experience of knowing him. But, from the postings here I can tell he was well liked and obviously from a great group of people... I honestly hope he gets the help he needs, because life is too short for that much pain... take it from one who knows! | ||
| sildag New member Username: sildag Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.48.198 |
wow, you guys are great...thanks so much for all the words of encouragement...he is a really great guy, but has had many problems through the years because of this damn school. His whole life post-GCC, he made a point of contradicting one of his least favorite sayings learned there :"Let the spirit of the truth prevail!"...he felt it was so hypocritical of them...so he found ways to protect himself, put up all kinds of barriers and walls, and I am the only one who has managed to take down a little part of them...he trully is sad, and has tried to ruin his life and ours simply because he did not feel worthy...I know now why he did this, at least I understand. I am trying to convince him to go the the closing ceremony, I would gladly accompany him, but I don't know if he will be up to it. This school ruined his very soul, and it makes me soooooo angry!!! | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 42 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.6 |
Yeah Sildag, I soooooo hear that doll. I know how he feels and can completely emphathize with him, I too felt that way for oh so long. Like, he does not understand what the truth really is...and therefore he built the walls. Because the BS is too much to handle. GCC certainly stole trust and innocense of trust and truth from a lot of us.... The abiltity to share and find a place safe where we could share for fear of being cast out and judged, the ability to actually cry and be free... The closing ceremony for some is a good place for others might be a bad place. Years ago in the early 90's I went for a midnight cruise, and we ended up in Brockville...and I drove to GCC and sat in my truck outside the gates. I was in the passenger side, I will be honest it was a booze cruise. Anyways, I looked at the place and the person I was with said I turned completely white and zoned out for about an hour until he drove us back to kingston... and, then when I was safe (I guess) I picked up another bottle of beer and said where to now driver? And, I cranked the radio and lit a smoke and life went on, he (the driver) told me a few years later that it was as though I left my body, he could not even get me to snap out of it... and I never spoke to him about that particular stop on that weekend. So, I guess I know how your husband feels and the insecurity, and obviously lack of trust he has. | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
breaker_19_girl a good alumni would have left a few bottles at the end of the drive, full ones. Sildag I knew your man back in the day when we did laundy in a bag and had our hair cut in a boot room by a man with a gimped eye (or so it seemed). His soul isn't ruined just need rejuvenating. He just needs to find his mojo again and it sounds like your the one to his rescue. I still remember his laugh its just hiding. | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.6 |
Absolutely Bossman, I am sorry and it was selfsih of me to not have thought about that. Maybe, I will go to the trailor this weekend and do some feng shui on the grass as my "D". | ||
| bossman New member Username: bossman Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Make sure you don't talk while cutting!! | ||
| breaker_19_girl Junior Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 46 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.48.6 |
I will keep that in mind, do I eat in the trailor with the family and friends or should I get a plate and eat outside on my own? Bossman, you are funny... gotta like you, as mentioned wish I would have done my time with you... hahahaha... Ctct me privately if you would like we could trade some interesting quips... hahahaha | ||
| gayatgcc Junior Member Username: gayatgcc Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 65.94.113.25 |
I am so glad to see that so many are revealing their “true” selves. We are all stepping out on this sight! I do not believe in religion, but this has got to be the closest thing to a spiritual awakening for me! Amen! GayAtGcc | ||
| breaker_19_girl Member Username: breaker_19_girl Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.187.49.226 |
Hi gayatgcc: I have read your posts in all other areas of this forum and at the risk of saying to you yet again: "at least someone was getting it at GCC" I have to say it blows my mind you did. I guess maybe because you were a boy and they did not pay as much attention to you all as they did the girls. But, the point I wanted to make is that at 30 to still be harbouring so much quilt about who you are just so breaks my heart. I guess it just proves over and over that so much was said to us at such a vulnerable age that made us question are own very identity... And, although as previously mentioned I do feel validated and somewhat vindicated through this forum, today at this minute I want to cry for you and all of us who were put down and humiliated for who we are and own individualism. That in some cases was actually STOLEN from us. I can't say for sure that I feel quilty or felt quilty for who I am but I always have felt like I lacked something, or that I was not special enough or my opinion did not matter. I have asked myself a lot over the years what is wrong with me? What did I do so wrong? How come I don't matter? So reading your posts brought that back up for me, and that is OKAY because I now I realize where a lot of that came from. I hope you stop feeling quilty and you know you are okay and that you are a neat and unique individual. And, you should not feel quilty for who and what you are...because although I know you as gayatgcc and I am sure you have a real name... you are all right, and you are funny, and you have a lot to say and a lot that I am sure once the healing is done will help others in your path in this life. But to have come out in a place like that and then have the kahunas to ask FF to let you back once he expelled you shows me how strong you are. And, I am pleased and honoured to know you ... | ||
| rozpriceenglish Junior Member Username: rozpriceenglish Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 172.168.38.92 |
okay... so... did sildag's husband always request 'in the garden' during sing-a-alongs?... if so, then i know who it is. if it IS him - boy am i ticked that it's still holding onto his spirit. he was such a beautiful person. | ||
| bossman Junior Member Username: bossman Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 24.64.223.204 |
Don't think he would request any songs during a sing a long. But I could be wrong. | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
roz: e-mail me jes_noonan@hotmail.com I'll help you put the pieces together. | ||
| spain New member Username: spain Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.204.209.196 |
Certavi, Did you attend a college in Wenham, Mass (also my almamater)? And did you suffer heat stroke in one brutal race? I wasn't there for that race, but heard about it from Mr. Barr. If yes, then I think I know you and would like to get in touch. | ||
| jes_noonan Junior Member Username: jes_noonan Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 67.70.18.124 |
spain: If it's the race I'm thinking of, then no it wasn't certavi. I was there racing midget that year and it was one of the freakiest things I've ever witnessed. You're thinking of ET, right? | ||
| spain New member Username: spain Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.204.209.196 |
jes, I was thinking of XCR Eossa race where one of our guys suffered heat stroke. It was an unusually hot late October day. | ||
| certavi_et_vici Junior Member Username: certavi_et_vici Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 71.178.135.62 |
I was there at the x county race in question and it was ET and not me. That was very spooky indeed. One will never forget that. After FF told me that he would see to it that I would never get into university and that •••••, Joan Childs said, “At what University do you think you could possibly get into?” I then went to CEGEP John Abbot College where I erased the academic blemish of Grenville –repeated grade 12. Then onto the University of Edinburgh, Oxford, The George Washington University and the University of Geneva, Switzerland. I remember the first the night before my first essay was due at John Abbott. I was terrified and sure I would fail – balling my eyes out in autumn 1990. The essay in question received a 95%. After that I started to academically recover, but that fear of failure remained until just a few years ago. I never ventured into the John Abbot dining room – would not even know what it looked like. (Many Grenville survivors suffered PTSD and had absolutely no self-worth.) I was sure that if I went into the John Abbott dining room that I would be ….. In 1990 I rented accommodation from a quadriplegic lady who rented rooms in her house in Bai d’urfe, Quèbec. She told me years later that I used to have nightmares and scream in my sleep. Living with this disabled landlady was another growth experience and taught me a great deal about social inclusion. In 1999 I became the youngest Director of the World Committee on Disability. In March of this year I was privileged to witness the signing of the UN Convention for the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. In the GCC yearbook I wrote the Latin expression on my family’s coat of arms, “Certavi et Vici”. This motto has served me well and has been a driving force. I am grateful to my father and his family’s history of Certavi et Vici. I also wrote that my future goal was a career in diplomacy. The GCC politburo told me that I could only ever hope to be a janitor in an embassy. How wrong they have been. I rejected those word curses and sent them back to the source where they came from. It would be vainglorious to list all of my achievements, but suffice it to say, I have never been a janitor since leaving Grenville. We survivors have a source of strength and witness to others who have suffered persecution. We can turn those curses upside-down and conquer. PS: No insult to janitors intended. That was their insult and not mine. We should be inclusive and nurturing of all people. | ||
| spain New member Username: spain Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 69.204.209.196 |
Congratulations, certavi, on your achievements and your work for others. (You're right - it was ET). | ||
| sildag New member Username: sildag Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 66.130.48.198 |
bossman: my hubby says to tell you that he received the watch by the mail years after he left GCC.....DF sent it back to him, in pieces. He said he had been good, and deserved to get it back. I am trying to make him open up more and more about his experiences, and he seems to feel a lot of guilt. He says he tried to help everyone, but could not. I don't know if this makes any sense to you. | ||
| pootietang New member Username: pootietang Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 209.190.225.254 |
I want to attend the closing cere |
