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justwondering
New member
Username: justwondering
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 146.145.251.226
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 12:11 pm: | 
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I started seeing a person that used to be a JW. Currently this person is shunned from the community. When I first started talking to this person I didn't know what religion was followed. When I found out I kind of freaked out and started doing some research. Anyway, from the research done and seeing posts on here I saw that they highly discourage members from dating people outside the community. I am definitely not someone that someone would want to be friends with if they want to follow a strict lifestyle like that. Why would this person want to jeopardize getting back into the community? It scares me because I get the feeling this person would turn away from JW if that is what I wanted. I do NOT want to be even a small reason for someone to turn their back on their faith. I guess I just want suggestions or thoughts on this. |
inkorrekt
Intermediate Member
Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 108
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 75.166.51.25
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 3:01 pm: |
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Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. They do not believe that Jesus Christ was both God and man. They deny His divinity. However, they will tell you that they believe in Jesus. So, beware of these wolves. Run as far as you can if you see one JW wolf under disguise as a sheep. |
inkorrekt
Intermediate Member
Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 111
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 208.54.15.129
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:42 am: |
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ALso watch out for the JW theologian under disguise. His name is Praetorian in this forum. He denies that he is a JW. But,he defends JW theology and is very sloppy. He writes too many things meaning nothing.He cannot give simple answers. He has to write very very long, boring and totally unconnected issues to prove his point. He has not said anything so far about the former JW Barb and I am surprised. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 131
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 2:38 pm: |
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Dear Justwondering:
You raise valid concerns, that are troubling you and you should speak to the one whom you are dating about the same. This only makes sense as it is a personal issue between the two of you!
As to what you read about JW’s, there are always two sides to a story. Many people are married to JW’s and find them to be wonderful mates, whom they appreciate very much while considering themselves blessed to have them, without being a JW. What a person does or does not do with their faith is a personal decision and so it seems with your significant other, on top of the fact that these issues (according to what you express) existed prior to the relationship with you. The JW’s view on dating those outside the “community” as you put it, is based the scriptures found at 1 Corinthians 7:39 and 2 Corinthians 6:14, that supports the principal that Christians should only marry in the Lord. This is a principal of life and friendship as well, as people tend to gravitate toward those to whom they have things in common with! With that said, several JW’s that I know of have married outside the “Lord” and they have continued to go to their Christian meetings and so on without any such shunning etc.
As to inkorrekt’s warning about the JW’s and myself, all I can say is, he does not know me, and visa versa, and that despite his “CHARM” he is after all entitled to his opinion as is anyone else on this board, myself included. Despite his and other’s assertions, JW’s do believe in Jesus Christ just not in the same manner as taught in main stream Christendom.
As to my choosing not to respond to Barb, she stated her feelings and what she experienced thus, the fact that there are good, bad, intelligent, stupid, hypocritical, loyal etc. etc., etc., people in all Churches including JW’s, is not a valid reason to reply. I am still waiting for you inkorrekt to point me to the perfect religion where none of these types of people are found so I can become one of them!!! Help me please…..NOT!!!
Sorry to disappoint you, inkorrekt! The least you could have done with all of your wisdom, is given justwondering the benefit of your years of experience when dealing with perplexing situations, rather than ATTACK a faith, like a junk yard dog! Everyone on this board knows you LOVE to argue! Hey, it has been said that if one were to stop and kick at every barking dog, along the road of life, that one would never complete one’s journey!
Your ignorance is showing Dude!
I do wish you well, with your situation justwondering!
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praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 134
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 3:02 pm: |
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inkorrket:
A careful reading of barb46’s post reveals that she is not a former JW! Where did you get this from her post? Listen Toto, part of your problem is that you either do not READ, or you suffer from a mental disorder (which is OK…..) that does not allow you to comprehend what others are clearly placing in writing! With that said, the first step you need to do, is ADMIT your weakness, and then maybe you may be able to do something about your inability to understand what others are clearly expressing, and then perhaps you can even see where you are wrong.
Ah, I forgot, (it’s been a while) that in order to do that, you will need a quality that is foreign to you, and that is HUMILITY! That will cause people to believe what they want to believe! (2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, especially 11).
Still waiting for you to point out to me the perfect church where all the perfect people go!
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inkorrekt
Intermediate Member
Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 121
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 208.54.15.1
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:09 pm: |
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There is no perfect church. However, there are many false churches like Jehovah's witness, Mormons, Oneness pentecostal church, New testament church, Ceylon pentecostal church etc.
About humility: Do you know who is Apostle Paul? Did you know what he said to those who accused him and even persecuted him? He was also furious at false teachers. Did he have humility? Apostle paul exposed false teachers and I am doing the same here. What did Jesus do with the traders in the temple? Was He humble? Of course you do not believe in Jesus Christ. He was only a man. Why do you care about what He said? |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 136
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 7:06 pm: |
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Inkorrekt:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion about anything you wish just I am to mine. However, with regards to JW’s of which this thread is about, they do not have a paid clergy, nor anyone one person to whom they owe they allegiance or claim; all of their meetings are open, not closed to the public; Truly the markings of a cult indeed!
What do you believe Inkorrekt? Tell us about your church and beliefs, your place of worship and so forth, so you can help those reading this post, to YOUR way of thinking. I am of the position that the one teaching and spreading falsehood here is you, as supported by your keen desire to fight, along with your angry hateful ridden posts! This is NOT the mark of a True Christian but a false one! Though you may beg to differ!
I know about the Apostle Paul and I know my personal Savior the Lord Jesus Christ so how dare you say something about me, when you don’t know me!!! You simply arrive at this because you don’t agree with what the posts I have made!!! Get real!!!
Your comparing yourself to the Apostle Paul and to our Lord Jesus Christ is height of unmitigated gall and arrogance! You are no Apostle neither are you Savior nor Lord, PAL!!! You are human as I am, though sometimes I wonder,,,,,,,,,, When it comes to exposing false teachers, you need to start with cleaning your own house first.
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crawly
New member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 2:56 pm: |
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yup, the gov body of jws are just matt 24;24 con artists!
they are false prophet liars with a scam about jesus returning already, and they can explain it to you, with some ever-changing-numerology that you must never question, if you are baptized!
jesus warned us about them in matt 24;24.
he said to stay away from those liars.
jw book, red rev it's grand climax at hand book, pages 169 or so |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 149
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 3:07 pm: |
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Crawly:
And the same can be said of you (Matthew 24:24) Now what?
I thought you were straightened out on the simple fact that the Bible does not utilize numerology, but instead chronology! Hey, get it right pal you look really silly!!!
What specifically is the scam about Jesus that you are referring to? They use the literal translation, of the Greek word for presence that is very different than coming! Perhaps this could be the cause of your vexation. You question these things before becoming a JW, and if later you disagree, you leave! Not all who leave because they change their mind to be a JW are disfellowshipped despite what you would like others to believe!
We already danced this dance, and anyone reading this thread will plainly see it; in the end, the scripture can be applied to you that of Mathew 24:24, and I did look it up, in the RED REVELATION BOOK and you are a liar! It is not true, and this can be easily verified by anyone JW or not by looking at the page you refer them to, 169!
You lied and were caught! You should be ashamed of yourself for these lies! Unless of course your form of Christianity accepts people that lie, like those spoke of at Matthew 24:24! Many forms do, and you appear to be one of them.
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praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 150
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 3:11 pm: |
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Crawly:
And the same can be said of you (Matthew 24:24) Now what?
I thought you were straightened out on the simple fact that the Bible does not utilize numerology, but instead chronology! Hey, get it right pal you look really silly!!!
What specifically is the scam about Jesus that you are referring to? They use the literal translation, of the Greek word for presence that is very different than coming! Perhaps this could be the cause of your vexation. You question these things before becoming a JW, and if later you disagree, you leave! Not all who leave because they change their mind to be a JW are disfellowshipped despite what you would like others to believe!
We already danced this dance, and anyone reading this thread will plainly see it; in the end, the scripture can be applied to you that of Mathew 24:24, and I did look it up, in the RED REVELATION BOOK and you are a liar! It is not true, and this can be easily verified by anyone JW or not by looking at the page you refer them to, 169 "or so."
You lied and were caught! You should be ashamed of yourself for these lies! Unless of course your form of Christianity accepts people that lie, like those spoke of at Matthew 24:24! Many forms do, and you appear to be one of them.
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crawly
New member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 16
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 3:45 pm: |
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yup, jehovah's witnesses, your leadership from high above are wicked!
they invented a scam about jesus already returning and appointing them to rule!!!!!
red rev book, its grand climax at hand. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 152
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 3:53 pm: |
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Crawly:
You sound like you have mental issues, the ravings of a lunatric mind. I feel sorry for you!
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P.S. Remember people can read these posts! |
crawly
New member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 18
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.30.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 4:08 pm: |
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praetorian, is it ok for you to insult me like this?... on this site?
i know the gov body of jws insults all of christianity by calling them "satanic"
is that your tactic?.......... and the moderators of this site can't tell that you are calling me names to support your position? |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 155
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 5:51 pm: |
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Crawly:
No need to insult you, as you do that all by yourself, all I do is point out the obvious, just by expressing it like I see it, you know a tactic!
So now I am a GB person too, is that it? Yes, they feel that the worship of God is clearly patterned in the Bible, and they do take the position just like the Israelites did, that anyone that worshipped God outside the Jewish arrangement of things, was not approved by God; thus they feel that they are the only ones who are right; and so should anyone else who sincerely believes that they are worshipping God in Spirit and Truth. This is not as unusual or different than you make it out to be!
I guess you have the right to point to the moderators of this board, my post, that is your right and prerogative as I thought there was and is a real disconnect with your thoughts in your mind that is not “normal” not to mention my catching you red handed lying-as this is what it is! And to this the posts will speak for themselves!
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crawly
New member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.252.235
| | Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 7:05 am: |
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is that all you got, praetorian?..... insults?
geez.
now remember, the jw leadership is self-appointed with crummy lies about a coming of jesus that somehow appointed them to be god's organization as the dates keep changing.
so please don't compare it to the legitimate nation of israel......
jesus warned about false prophet snakes in matt 24;24........ he said they would come along, and sure enough, the wicked jw leadership came along claiming he already arrived and now everyone must obey them or die. |
junefever
New member
Username: junefever
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 67.172.116.155
| | Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 11:26 am: |
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"What specifically is the scam about Jesus that you are referring to? They use the literal translation, of the Greek word for presence that is very different than coming!"
Actually, the meaning is more like "coming and remaining alongside."
JWs only began to spin that after their predictions about 1914 being the start of Amargeddon and their being taken up to heaven fell flat. So they had to figure out a way to make (yet another) false prophesy work. They changed their story to say that, no, they were right all along. It's just that rather than actually coming down to earth and cleansing it of all wickedness (i.e., non JWs) Christ took the helm invisibly, up in heaven. They tried to salvage that one, believing they dodged a bullet.
The relatively recent corner they backed themselves in didn't have an exit clause, unfortunately. They claimed that the generation who saw events in 1914 would not pass away before the end came. The spectre that the end was very, very soon was a fear tactic to incent membership. When it became clear that the vast majority of people who were alive then and could "witness the events with eyes of understanding" were pretty much gone, they had to dump that long-held prophesy. What to do? They changed the definition of "generation." A definition that is so painfully meaningless and ambiguous that it insulted the intelligence of many of the sharper JWs, who ended up leaving.
Yeah, scam pretty much sums it up. Scams are designed to get people to buy into or invest in something that never materializes. |
praetorian
Intermediate Member
Username: praetorian
Post Number: 248
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.89.75.242
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 2:23 pm: |
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Junefever:
I would like to secure that reference quote from a lexicon regarding "coming and remaining alongside". Interesting!
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P.S. Craw: Nothing more will ever be given to your comments other than my "Two Cents.." |
crawly
Intermediate Member
Username: crawly
Post Number: 107
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 4.240.81.238
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 9:13 pm: |
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oh brother, preatorian.....are you still insisting jesus was saying that the real jesus would come along invisibly, and the false prophets would announce him and they would become his organization?...... is that what you are slyly trying to convince everyone that matt 24;24 is about?
come on now preatorian, you well know that jesus was warning about snakes like the jw organization.
gosh, first the jw leadership announced he arrived in 1874, oooops, ok 1878 errr ooops...... ummm 1914 ooops....... as they continue to claim he appointed them to rule in secret, in the inner chambers. |
mariabee
New member
Username: mariabee
Post Number: 17
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 64.85.244.43
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 9:34 pm: |
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Dear just wondering,
I am an ex-JW and will give you the straightest answer that I can.
If this person is currently shunned, then he/she is basically free to feel things out and see what he/she really want for his/her life. If this person chooses to get reinstated, then he/she will have to start living a VERY "clean" (according to JW rules/standards) life in order to prove their desire to come back. However, until they are on that path, they can associate and try things (of course with various emotional/physical risk as all adult action sometimes entail).
If you helped this person stay out of the JW organization you may be doing him/her a favor. I personally believe that my life is better, richer, more free, and deeper as a result of my leaving 10 years ago. Living as a JW is like living in an invisible cage and no knowing that that is your situation.
Be supportive and show this person that a non-JW can be kind, trustworthy, and ethical. JW's are repeatedly told that ONLY JW's are good friends. I now know that this is not true.
My 2-cents 
Warmly,
Maria Bee
Executive Director in Training, Factnet |
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