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     foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 112 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.54.69 |
Covenant to Homestead Heritage supersedes marriage covenant to spouse... DOwen, True or False? If a husband tells his family to leave homestead the covenant the woman makes with Homestead Heritage at baptism supersedes her covenant to her husband. SICK! SICK! SICK! I read it in their literature when I was in and I dismissed it. I figured it would never come to that. I didn't worry my little head with those kinds of doubts. Blair said it, so it was true... Can anyone one say "red flag!!!!!"? This screams "CULT!" If you are to blind to see this, then you probably would drink the kool aid. FH | ||
| trilogy New member Username: trilogy Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.193.216.26 |
Thus begins another round of bitter argumentation between ex-members of HH. So sad. | ||
| usedtobelong New member Username: usedtobelong Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.49.94.209 |
If it is not true, then the above accusation could be made in bitterness, but you will have to prove it doesn't happen. If it is true, it is sick, and it does more than give a red flag! | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 187 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 172.146.249.198 |
The above statement is true. | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 28 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 24.94.95.165 |
Yup, really sad to talk about the sin of an organization. They should stop talking about it, huh? Not very polite, is it (tongue in cheek). | ||
| foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 113 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.54.69 |
It is very true. I could get many witnesses to stand with me in court: Two couples who left years ago that homestead tried to split. In one couple it was the woman, and the other couple it was the man. There is a family that needs prayer RIGHT NOW! Please pray! FH | ||
| h75 New member Username: h75 Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
In the breaking of the hymen there is the letting of blood; designed by God to be a ‘blood covenant’ between a man and a woman in holy matrimony. Any church or leader in a church that promotes separation of a marriage will be condemned. If Homestead Heritage promotes the division of a married couple then woe is to them. | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 188 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 172.129.132.60 |
the covenant to HH is to death do us part....leave husband, leave wife...leave children but do not leave HH...notice I said HH not God... To leave HH is to leave God to them... | ||
| h75 New member Username: h75 Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
Bringing people to Jesus is one of the most fundamental duties of the church. God will also hold any ‘Christian’ responsible for failure to do this (Ezekiel 3:18.) Since Homestead has abandoned the ‘Great Commission’ (Matthew 28:18-20) they have condemned themselves already. Actions such as breaking up marriages are expected by a group that has become corrupt. | ||
| h75 New member Username: h75 Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
But these policies and patterns of Homestead are the result of a twisted leader, Blair Adams, who has become evil and manipulating. He has ‘slaves’ to do his bidding and has fulfilled his dream for himself at the expense of many poor souls. He will pass on one day and Lucifer will have his way with him. I pray if HH continues they restore their church to the desires of God and go back to true biblical teachings. | ||
| trilogy New member Username: trilogy Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.193.216.26 |
Yup, really sad to talk about the sin of an organization. He who is without sin, let him throw the first stone. | ||
| trilogy New member Username: trilogy Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.193.216.26 |
He will pass on one day and Lucifer will have his way with him. I assume you mean he'll be in hell, and the devil will do with him as he pleases. You don't know squat about Christian theology if you think that the devil is some sort of leader in hell. Lucifer doesn't have his way with people in hell. That's ridiculous. Hell is a place of punishment for unbelievers; not a place of torment where Satan and his minions get to poke people with their pitchforks. | ||
| foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 114 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.54.69 |
Yup, really sad to talk about the sin of an organization. He who is without sin, let him throw the first stone. And those who are sinning: go and sin no more... Trilogy, do you support this?: The baptismal covenant to Homestead Heritage supersedes marriage covenant to spouse. If this was a past practice that due to repentance was no longer proclaimed acceptable to God in Homestead Heritage, I could see covering it up out of love. But, that is not the case. While that pattern is still trying to legitimize divorce of a marriage and a family with children encouraged to be broken... No! That kind of evil is to be exposed to the light where it can not flourish. They are doing this "in the name of God"... having this deed taken out off it's dark covering is the least of what they should be worrying about. They need to fear God. Please pray that repentance will come. Pray that families will be spared. Pray that the group leader who spewed this wickedness as the will of God will repent and deliver his own family before it is happening to him. God is not mocked, whatever a man sews, he will reap. | ||
| trilogy New member Username: trilogy Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.193.216.26 |
Trilogy, do you support this?: The baptismal covenant to Homestead Heritage supersedes marriage covenant to spouse. The truth is, I don't know a thing about it. So I can't say I support it or reject it. | ||
| foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 115 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.54.69 |
Simply: If Spouse 1 wants Spouse 2 to leave Homestead Heritage with them, in their eyes, it is acceptable to God for Spouse 2 to divorce Spouse 1 because in their eyes the baptismal covenant to Homestead Heritage supersedes, (surpasses,) the marriage covenant to the spouse. This is how I understood it: In their belief Homestead is Jesus in the flesh... therefore leaving Homestead is leaving/divorcing God. Since your relationship with God comes before your relationship with your spouse, you can divorce your spouse if they want you to leave Homestead. They see it as choosing God over man. It doesn’t matter that the spouse who is leaving is continuing his walk with God, but not with Homestead. The couple has made two vows, one to each other with God, and one to Homestead who claims to be God in the flesh. They feel the vow with them is more important than the vow taken at marriage. If the husband leaves and the wife stays, even if he does not request she leave, he will not be seen as “standing in his place,” and the wife’s obligation of submission to Homestead will supersede her obligation of submission to him. Homestead leaders will step into his place of covering and authority. He will not be “the man of the home.” Naturally in a case like this, the wife and children will lose their respect for the husband/father. If he asks her to leave Homestead, they claim it is acceptable to God for her to divorce him. This is first used as a threat to keep him from even asking her to leave Homestead. The whole idea is quite useful in even keeping him from thinking of leaving himself. It is a trap that is hard to escape. If there are married children inside, they may loose contact with them and their grandchildren too. She will have to consider this too in her choice between him and Homestead. It is a common cult trap: They make the cost of leaving so great, that staying and suffering the wrongs seems reasonable. | ||
| h75 Junior Member Username: h75 Post Number: 26 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
http://ex-pentecostals.org/reflecting.htm | ||
| trilogy New member Username: trilogy Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.193.216.26 |
I commend Dowen for not taking Foreverhis' bait. | ||
| foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 117 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.54.69 |
What CAN he say? I guess he could lie, but then I would to give more details to prove it. He could confirm it by talking to his father, but I won’t hold my breath waiting. Do you commend HH for their "holy" conviction? Or can you say with me that God hates divorce and what God joins in holy matrimony let no man put asunder, (seperate)? | ||
| a_sister_of_yours New member Username: a_sister_of_yours Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 71.220.34.136 |
How does one go about getting copies of these writings? I would like to read the actual text/"teachings". asoy | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 29 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
This whole thing is about some church- it sure isn't about Christ. Sounds like HH is more important. | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 191 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.21.62.91 |
I would not call it a church. | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 83 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Hi Folks, This is a strange thread, perhaps geared to the unbeliever. True Christians have always believed "God first..." even ahead of spouse and family. The Lord Jesus gave direct examples in the Gospels. And this is one of the great blessings that helps many to come to faith, or to return to faith. There are extreme cases that make it easy to see the overall truth. The husband says to his spouse who goes to the Pentecostal or Baptist church : "stop going to that church, stay home with me, we are gonna sniff some coke and maybe knock off the First Bank of Easy Money .. and don't give me any lip about it of disobey .. you are told to be in submission to your husband." And what is your counsel to this woman ? Oh, its horrible to put God and His body of believers, the church of the Living God, first .. you need to submit to your spouse !? Are all cases so clean-cut ? Nope. However I do want to first show that the feigned expression here that folks are (shocked, shocked) that God is placed first .. is very strange coming from purported believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God. Shalom, Praxaluh (Message edited by praxaluh on August 09, 2007) | ||
| usedtobelong New member Username: usedtobelong Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.9.48.109 |
No, it's not God first, it's HH first. That's the problem. In many cases the husband leaving is not leaving God. He fully intends to continue his walk with the Lord, maybe even grow closer to Him. He is doing what he feels is God's will for him as the leader of his family, and HH is asking the family to choose them over the husband, who is placed as the head of the family by God Himself! He never said to put the body of believers first. He said God first. Then the husband. If the husband is following what he feels is God's will for him and his family they should be encouraged to follow him! | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 192 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
Such a sad sick doctrine... | ||
| common_sense New member Username: common_sense Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 75.31.174.204 |
In Prax's religious economy, it appears that HH or any other human "spiritual authority" IS God to the believer. | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 194 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
wonder where Daniel´s answer is? | ||
| wise_as_a_serpent New member Username: wise_as_a_serpent Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.48.179 |
From Prax: "There are extreme cases that make it easy to see the overall truth. The husband says to his spouse who goes to the Pentecostal or Baptist church : "stop going to that church, stay home with me, we are gonna sniff some coke and maybe knock off the First Bank of Easy Money .. and don't give me any lip about it of disobey .. you are told to be in submission to your husband." And what is your counsel to this woman ? Oh, its horrible to put God and His body of believers, the church of the Living God, first .. you need to submit to your spouse !?" Nice strawman. Instead of addressing the issue as stated, you create an alternate, easily defensible one. How about this one. There are extreme cases that make it easy to see the overall truth. The husband says to his spouse who goes to the Kingdom Hall or Morman Church : "stop going to that church, stay home with me, we can search the scriptures, pray and have followship with other believers. Submission to me is biblical, by if it isn't in your heart, it isn't real." And what is your counsel to this woman ? You must put the church first, as they are the spirital authority in your live, and by the husband leaving the church, it is evidence of his corrupt spiritual condition. .. you need to submit to your church !? That's my 'snark' for the year. So, if "(t)here are extreme cases that make it easy to see the overall truth", which truth is correct, mine or yours? | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 195 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
I would not drink kool-aid because some guy told me to drink it in God´s name neither would I follow a man that is brainwashed by some cult. Prax if you were a woman would you submit to a man that told you to jump off the empire state building? Of course you would not you do not even believe like HH. If they are so right then you be our example by going there and submitting. Talk is cheap... | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 196 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
I would not drink kool-aid because some guy told me to drink it in God´s name neither would I follow a man that is brainwashed by some cult. Prax if you were a woman would you submit to a man that told you to jump off the empire state building? Of course you would not you do not even believe like HH. If they are so right then you be our example by going there and submitting. Talk is cheap... | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 86 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Hi Folks, Mrs. Alvear, yet again you write with the same hypocrisy. You know that if I am close to HH in the time ahead you will simply come back and start yelping to these same people about how I was 'brainwashed' and all. You are upset because I take a few minutes to expose some of the real problems and darknesses in the oppo movement. And give a little thanks and appreciation for those living zealously dedicated and holy lives for the Lord Jesus Christ. At least try to have the grace to talk with me where I am this very day, and not work with conjectural constructs of your own confusion. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
"give a little thanks and appreciation for those living zealously dedicated and holy lives for" (Homestead Heritage). | ||
| wise_as_a_serpent New member Username: wise_as_a_serpent Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.48.179 |
From Praxaluh: And what is your counsel to this woman ? Oh, its horrible to put God and His body of believers, the church of the Living God, first .. you need to submit to your spouse !? Are all cases so clean-cut ? Nope. However I do want to first show that the feigned expression here that folks are (shocked, shocked) that God is placed first .. is very strange coming from purported believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God. First thing to notice is the original premise of the thread, “If a husband tells his family to leave homestead the covenant the woman makes with Homestead Heritage at baptism supersedes her covenant to her husband.” Praxaluh has restated the premise by adding in “God”, and not just a specific church, in this case Homestead Heritage. Now, it should be obvious that one’s commitment to God is of the highest order, and that Praxaluh’s statement of placing God first is accurate. However, the original statement is in relation to a specific church, not God. He has cleverly substituted words into the argument that will make his point correct, and therefore hopefully make one believe, by default, the other point incorrect. But, in reality the original premise has still gone unanswered. Unless, but adding in “God” and not just a specific church, you are implying that Homestead Heritage is equivalent to God, in which case you would be correct. If we substitute “the Church of Latter Day Saints” in place of Homestead Heritage in the original premise, would that make the situation the same? If a man tells his wife to leave the Mormon faith, would your counsel still be that she needs to place God first and stay? Hopefully, I can write more when time permits. | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Hi Folks, Greetings in Jesus name. It has always been true Christian teaching that God works directly through His church, the body of believers, the church of the Living God. From apostolic times till today. You may not agree that HH should believe that they are seeking to follow that Biblical pattern, however there is no doubt that the pattern of responsibility and submission is in the Bible. The problem here is that the oppo position is conceptually false when it tries to oppose submission within the church, placing it as an inferior concept to family, work and other Godly responsibilities. The oppos can take the position that HH is not a true church, at least that is not an inconsistent position. My principle point above is to show the conceptual weakness of what was being claimed on the thread, so that readers may understand this more excellently. Shalom, Steven | ||
| usedtobelong New member Username: usedtobelong Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 75.52.157.24 |
Of all the men I personally know who have left HH none of them have left to "sniff coke" or the like! Far from it! I could name for you many wonderful brothers who are following Christ and setting a wonderful example in their communities. They are not asking their families to leave God. To make the reader think assume they have is deceiving. | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 88 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Hi Folks, Please, I said very specifically that I was giving an extreme case. In order to discuss the principle involved. To accuse me of deceiving in simply a false accusation, a bit disingenuous. Personally I know folks who have left HH who have kept a spiritual life and heart in the Lord Jesus. Others who went to the world. Others, hard to say. Those who truly sought a spiritual life would, I believe, be very hesitant about joining up with the oppo mentality here. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
HH is more a corporation than a church. It is a money making business. No money=no HH. You believe in Principalities and Powers, yet you don't believe there's a possibility of just such a Principality over the area just north of Waco? Nope, these angels of light are as clean as the wind-driven snow! Strange how close it is to Roman Catholicism: Strong leadership that believes they speak God's words. They expect you will follow, or be excluded from the one and only faith. Yup, as Catholics, we believed that if anybody outside the Catholic Church (or HH, name your poison) was saved, then it was because God was mighty good to those schmucks. The Catholics have literature that supplements the Bible. I guess it is that true Christian teaching you speak of, not that un-true Christian teaching the rest of us get? You never, never marry outside "THE Church", or you will get shunned by any decent Catholic (or HH member). Oh yes indeedy, let's not forget the laws of the Church- no fish on Friday (or nasty bottom-feeders), and there are some other laws The One and Only Church have for you to obey too. Don't forget holy shrines, well, sort of like any property owned by HH, which is some holy place too. Let's all belly up to the bar and visit that holy place where they are chock full of light! Prax, knock off the spirit talk; it's nauseating son! | ||
| common_sense New member Username: common_sense Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 67.125.134.16 |
Personally I know folks who have left HH who have kept a spiritual life and heart in the Lord Jesus. Others who went to the world. Others, hard to say. Hmmm....wonder if you might also be able to say this: Personally I know folks who are IN HH who have kept a spiritual life and heart in the Lord Jesus. Others who went to the world. Others, hard to say. So, what's your point? | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 198 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
Bottom line: We should follow Jesus...I doubt if He will be hiding behind closed doors... | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 89 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Hi Folks, CS .. to answer your question. I never met who was in the world while in HH. Possibly I should except one person who for a short season was living a hidden life. However that is not maintainable in HH, the holiness of God is too real and the call to repentance and cleansing will come forth. That is actually one of the beautiful things about HH that other fellowships and churches sense and can try to bring to pass. A ministry and dedication and holiness that touches each and every person. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 90 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Hi Folks, Similarly that is why the nonsense of Majajh - (who has given no indication of every having been a part of HH or even sharing bread and time and talk with the people in the community - although he has used this forum to challenge to a 'debate') - accusing the community of being a "money making business" is so weird. The folks with any sense and balance, even pretty hardened oppos, would not speak that way, knowing full well the dedication and earnestness and commitment of all the folks in HH. However the current crew of oppos will let majajh dribble on without comment in order to deceive the readers who may not know a nonsensical accusation from reality. Shalom, Praxaluh (Message edited by praxaluh on August 16, 2007) | ||
| common_sense Junior Member Username: common_sense Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 67.126.237.80 |
NOT a "money making business"? What about: http://www.homesteadgristmill.com/ http://www.heritagebarns.com/whatwillitcost.html http://www.homesteadheritage.com/furniture/handmade.html http://www.homesteadcraftfair.com/shopping.html ????????? (Message edited by common sense on August 16, 2007) | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
Yeah, why else would they invite us heathens in to their mecca? If you'd read, you'd see that I have known several people out there way longer than you have, big guy. You think they're in a hurry to talk about their practices? Nope. You think they're the way, so do Catholics, JWs, Mormons, Church of Christ. They all think they are THE WAY. Guess what? None of you are THE WAY. You're just a religious guy, no better than any Pharisee I've ever read about. | ||
| dowen Member Username: dowen Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.9.93.81 |
You're just a religious guy, no better than any Pharisee I've ever read about. You sound like one yourself. | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
Right... It's all about that hunk of land and the culture setting upon it, isn't it? | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 34 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
I don't care if you don't like me, but I challenge you to prove I'm lying. I don't fancy myself as having the corner on the truth, but you two, and the golden calf sure think you do. It's people telling the truth that you don't want to hear that sets you off, doesn't it? | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 199 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
nonsense of Majajh - a term Prax uses... If we that post here are not right why are you so upset? Truth upsets you and Daniel. I hear there is much uproar at HH? Maybe you should go comfort them...for TRUTH will be revealed and TRUE prophets do not fear HH they only fear the Lord. What I have spoken on this board or any other forum, in letters, e mails, on the phone, or where ever is truth and contains NO LIES... Now if you and Daniel think HH is right go join...I have been telling you all to do that for some time. You must not be so convinced as you seem to say you are...ACTIONS speak louder than words. I don´t have much time to post here but I do not have to guess what I put here because when you tell the truth and you are sincere you live by truth. You Prax only deceive yourself...Like someone told me the other day about HH...they are deceived and do not even know it...that is true for the people in most part but some there KNOW things are not right there...and never will be right UNTIL truth repentance comes over them. | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
I was thinking about that golden calf. The golden calf was made by man's hands. The golden calf was expensive. The golden calf was venerated instead of God. The golden calf was mankind making a god, made as they pleased, to worship. Think about it. Another thing- if Homestead Heritage is sacred, it is because people are so nice, so dear, and so devoted, it would be a travesty to attack it, wouldn't it? Problem is, it's not what God wants. | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 92 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Hi 'Common_Sense', Clearly HH is an industrious people, skilled in crafts, hard-working, and they have many enterprises that are commercial (business) that help them to prosper. This has been true often of Christian communities, whether their businesses have been farming or crafts or industry. However to say that something is a "money making business" is to suggest that mammon is the center, the goal, that there is not a deep spiritual core around which community life revolves. Clearly that is simply an absurd claim with HH and you are simply humoring Majajh and readers for political purposes. However neither yourself nor Majajh, afaik, have ever been anywhere near the brethren of HH so you two can take silly potshots from distance and ignorance. And the hardcore oppos who really know much better lap it up because their hearts are distorted, twisted .. and truth about HH does not come from their lips. Shalom, Praxaluh} | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 66.91.110.47 |
I'm sure it is deeply spiritual, well then, so are the Mormons and the JWs, and I was a deeply spiritual Catholic. Big, fat, hairy deal- you're all religious! Potshots from a distance, meaning what; I don't like on the same two-lane road? I haven't had an invite to their meetings? I did have an invite, well, to spend my money anyway. Question to you bubs, have you known them since 1983? I have. | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 200 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
I have no reason to post here except my heart tells me I shold do so... I know the big guys at HH are upset because I post here...Who knows but maybe by them being upset they will learn to be more careful how they treat others. They will not keeep all that are there and in time others will talk. If they were not in the wrong they would not be so upset... Believe whatever you want to believe but do not abuse, mistreat people on your way up for you will meet them on your way down... (Message edited by missionary_lady on August 22, 2007) | ||
| praxaluh Member Username: praxaluh Post Number: 94 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.193.219.212 |
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Mrs. Alvear, many are concerned that you have chosen a path of unrighteousness, following and self-justifying your own heart in its wickedness. That concern is simply for you to come to a place of godly sorrow (2Cor 7:10). Those who have such a concern are by no means in the 'wrong' for caring about you and others. Shalom, Praxaluh | ||
| common_sense Junior Member Username: common_sense Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 67.125.134.214 |
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? And the hardcore oppos who really know much better lap it up because their hearts are distorted, twisted .. Apparently, "who" is PRAX!  | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 202 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
PRAX SAYS: Mrs. Alvear, many are concerned that you have chosen a path of unrighteousness, following and self-justifying your own heart in its wickedness. So self justifying...Will you please give a list of names of these people for my contacts think I should do more about it than I am doing. I have pondered about calling certain other contacts but maybe your answer is God´s way of telling me to dig deeper and publish more. I am not afraid to put names right here on fact net...I AM FOR RIGHOUSNESS and not lies and cover up stories...It is I have people asking me not to use their names because they have feiends and loved ones there however they agree things are not right inside the village. Where have I lied? Is it not true kids were put in roomes for days and weeks and years? Is it not true they put diapers on grown kids because they said they acted like babies? Is it not true they lied to me and others about the Crow family? LIED outright LIED PRAX...do you consider that christian? Shall I go on? | ||
| h75 Junior Member Username: h75 Post Number: 29 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
Janice, Do not let prax get under your skin. He is a pro at calling people names and using scripture to further his agenda. Don't let him bother you. He is an internet bully. He enjoys browbeating. | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 203 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
I will post if I have time more facts and you disprove them. How is that? | ||
| majajh Junior Member Username: majajh Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 198.250.180.194 |
If people aren't willing to take a stand and let you use their names it will be hard to win the fight. They'll have to take the chance. | ||
| missionary_lady Intermediate Member Username: missionary_lady Post Number: 204 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 189.3.11.119 |
it is after 2 in the morning here. Names will come out in time. Majajh, you could never imagine the fear factor involved. However my writing here keeps them upset. THEY KNOW I WILL NOT BACK DOWN and cover up wrong doings. I am for truth. | ||
| dowen Member Username: dowen Post Number: 86 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.9.93.81 |
I am for truth. As long as it makes me feel good, and damns someone else.... | ||
| h75 Junior Member Username: h75 Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
I believe Janice has shared that she regrets having to post here. To suggest that she enjoys this exchange of thoughts is thoughtless and undeserved. | ||
| h75 Junior Member Username: h75 Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
If the truth damns someone.............................. DOwen, are you suggesting to hide the truth or to twist the truth or to outright lie? Is it not a major focus at HH to bring everything into the light? Is it not taught that truth is paramount? Is it just a veneer? When an elders son suggests it, I wonder..... | ||
| h75 Junior Member Username: h75 Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 71.41.26.146 |
When Abraham offered Lot the first choice of the land, Lot’s eyes were drawn to a well-watered region that was “like the garden of God”. It must have seemed to be the perfect place to settle his family, since Lot chose for himself the whole district of the Jordon and set up camp near Sodom. However, outward appearances were deceptive, for nearby lived the men of Sodom who were bad and sinners against God. As events unfolded, Lot and his family suffered terrible losses. Eventually, he and his daughters were reduced to living in a cave. What had looked so good to him at the outset turned out to be just the opposite. My experience with HH. What had looked so good at the outset turned out to be just the opposite. | ||
| foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 126 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.54.69 |
1 Corinthians 11 3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ. ALSO Ephesians 5:22-24 22 Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Savior. 24 Just as the church is subject to Christ, so also wives ought to be, in everything, to their husbands. No where does Paul as an apostle claim to be the head, neither does he claim that the elders are the head over the wife and then the husband is under them. Is HH's bible saying that the Apostle is the head, and the husband is the neck with the other elders somewhere in between???? The New Testament says a lot about marriage and divorce. It is in no way ambiguous about where the wife's place is. It would have been easy for Paul to have made a clear statement saying the wife gets to divorce her husband if the church says so. He didn't. He makes many clear statements regarding marriage and divorce and that is NOT one of them. If a wife is a believer she is apart of the church. It is Christ in her that makes her a part of THE church, THE Body of Christ. NO ONE can take that away from her. She can be locked up in prison somewhere and she is still a part of the Church, and Christ is still in her. The Bible says she must live with her husband even if he is an unbeliever. For church elders to tell a man that the church feels it is right to counsel his wife to divorce him if he asks her to leave Homestead Heritage is not Biblical. In fact it is UNbiblical. Their husbands have not told them to stop believing in God. They have not even stopped believing themselves. It is their belief in God and their feeling of godly responsibility as the head of their home and head of their wives to step back and look again at what the Bible is saying compared to what they have been taught at Homestead. 1 Thessalonians 5: says to "20 Do not despise the words of prophets, 21 but test everything; hold fast to what is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil. " Almost every book in the New Testament warns of false prophets, teachers, and doctrines. If a couple steps back and seeks God and studies the Word, a true church should have no qualms about that. In fact they should encourage it. If what they have been taught lines up with scripture then the couple will come back to the church. Our faith needs to be OURS not someone else’s. It needs to be genuine not a copy of someone else's. There comes a time, even with our own children, when they need to make their faith their own between them and God. I encourage my young adults to test what they have been taught by me, and everyone else, against God's Word and with much prayer. continued | ||
| foreverhis Intermediate Member Username: foreverhis Post Number: 127 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.176.54.69 |
continued Our pastor encourages us to be Bereans and test everything he teaches. He can do this because: 1. He knows that he IS fallible, and only Jesus Christ Himself is worthy of blind faith. 2. He is not afraid of being found that he is wrong. He is capable of correction when the Bible is used. 3. He truly wants us to follow him ONLY as he follows Christ. 4. Our faith is in God, not him. Real Godly Authority, (authority that genuinely comes from God,) will pass any test man throws at it. It has no fear of men, and it still fears God. If God has made him a leader, then God's people will follow without him lording his position it over them or causing them to fear him. In my opinion: The leaders of Homestead have to tell their deceptive answers when questioned by men because they fear loosing the respect of men. If they feared God at all, they would fear the deception, intentional or not. If they believe what they are teaching is true, they could encourage these couples to step back and test the doctrines they have been taught with the scriptures. They could let them talk to ex-members and know that truth will prevail. If they can get people to join who have never been apart of Homestead, why can't they believe that those who have been a part of this supposedly lovely group would come back if they stepped away. If they are a cult using cult dynamics, then they know that it is only their undue influence over a couple that is keeping them there. They have to fear that if this couple gets away from that undue influence and has time to think things through and hear opposing arguments that the so called truth that they have been taught will not stand. If it is the truth of God, all the years of experience and teaching in the group and the relationships that were built there will stand against the onslaught of the world. The Bible says bring a child up in the way he should go and he will not depart from it. How many young people of good Christian families ever walk away for long? They go out and test what they were taught and find it to be true. Then they have their own faith. I have seen it time after time. Why? Because God's Word is true. Greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. No one can steal God's truth from us once it is truly ours. Until we make it ours, we will forever be children tossed to and throw by every wind of doctrine. God knows that no one can steal His children from Him. Why doesn't HH have that faith in God? Are they so afraid, that they would even council a wife to do something so clearly unbiblical as divorcing her husband? I hope not. FH |
