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     qdawg26 New member Username: qdawg26 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 72.181.166.14 |
hey everyone checkout this page. it has everything you need to live this life according to christ. it even has info about people who appear on tbn. make sure you checkout the wolves in sheep clothing section also. you won't regret checking this site out. god bless you all | ||
| pilgrim Intermediate Member Username: pilgrim Post Number: 117 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 195.93.21.42 |
qdawg26, I read the "WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!!!" section of the following website. It is very informative. Http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ | ||
| hardbones New member Username: hardbones Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.48.179.20 |
Well if that is the list then most of us on the board here won't make it in I guess. I mean those of us who are fundy or evangelical or somewhere in between or at least can somehow identify with the evangelical position somehow. Maybe you could do us all a favor and post the list of qualifications for entry into the kingdom. Now that I think about it though, I think Called did somewhere. I can just go read the list and as long as I can adhere to that then maybe I will be saved. At least I hope so!!! | ||
| hardbones New member Username: hardbones Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 65.95.11.21 |
I guess sarcasm doesn't become me!! What I meant to say was that I thought that list of wolves was casting a very wide net. There was a lot of people on that list I disagree with some vociferously and some I do agree are wolves in sheeps clothing. I'm very conservative but don't usually read info on these kind of sites because I don't like the attitude of exclusiveness behind it. | ||
| giulia Member Username: giulia Post Number: 59 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.230.36 |
Geez even Walt Dysney is Sodom and Gomorrah. Perhaps we should all lay hands on Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck so they don't get done by the wrath of God. This person sounds completely irrational and speaks of everyone yet does not show him or herself.Fact is the devil is very subtle and cunning, not so blatant. If you look for the devil you will see his everywhere, if your mind and heart is pure all things are pure and you see Jesus everywhere so it really depends on where you are focused. (Message edited by giulia on August 29, 2007) | ||
| matt_hatter Intermediate Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 409 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.214.93.12 |
Pilgrim, if that is what you adhere to now, things like the NIV is of the devil and KJV is the 'only way', you have simply traded the devil for the witch. (That is an American idiom, not necessarily having to do with a devil or a witch, it simply means you have traded one flawed theology for another. Have you really read some of that stuff? Some of it is disgusting. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/911.htm | ||
| pilgrim Advanced Member Username: pilgrim Post Number: 608 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 195.93.21.42 |
matt_hatter, There are two families of the New Testament Greek manuscripts, 1)The Byzantine manuscripts from Antioch used in the King James Version and the 1602 Reina Valera in Spanish etc. 2)The Alexandrian Greek manuscripts from Egypt used to translate many modern versions. Many people believe that these manuscripts have been corrupted by Origen who was a Gnostic. In the following link you can see an informative discussion about bible versions. http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/30439.html?1177880306 (Message edited by pilgrim on September 30, 2007) | ||
| matt_hatter Senior Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 4224 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 24.214.93.12 |
Pilgrim, I know you are a sensitive person, so I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings. Factnet has simply turned into a place, for people who call themselves Christians, to present their version of "the truth". In some cases (not you), there are posters who supposedly serve the same God, identify themselves with the Cross, who call each other all kinds of names, all the while thumping hundreds of scriptures. This particular poster doesn't even seem to have the slightest clue of the true nature of a believer. And then there is his antagonist, a smug, arrogant and sarcastic individual who responds with no humility at all. Both are perfect examples of what seems to be driving this site now. Ironies of Ironies. Both say they have the ultimate truth, but neither could be in the same room without tearing each other apart, and both claim the same Savior as you and me. And the ultimate 'gotcha!' is to call another mentally ill. Wow, how loving. I find you to be a humble person who does not get into this kind of name calling, but you still seem to have traded one set of extreme beliefs for another. Please explore that website a little closer; it is disgusting, pure and simple. Factnet has probably done more to sour me on 'Christian people' than my time in Maranatha ever did. It seems to have attracted a bunch of people who cannot get along, and has caused me to fall into that category from time to time myself. I have fallen into the trap of insulting people, and it has not been a good thing for me. It is an unhealthy place for someone trying to get their life together after coming out of a cult. It offers very little assistance for those types of people, and is simply a place to be insulted or maligned if you don't believe someone's corner of the truth. (Again, I am not speaking of you personally, but other posters in general.) Factnet has lost its purpose somewhere along the journey, and it is time for me to clear my mind of it. End of confession. | ||
| mcmstaff78 Senior Member Username: mcmstaff78 Post Number: 1729 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 24.99.130.74 |
Here I find myself agreeing both with Pilgrim (in terms of the superiority of the Byzantine text; however, while I use the KJV, I don't hold it in the same esteem as the KJV only folks do nor do I think translations based on the "critical" texts are "demonic" - though some are extraordinarily bad.) I also agree with Mattie that this place is toxic, for the most part, with a lot of "toxic faith" being spread around. | ||
| pilgrim Advanced Member Username: pilgrim Post Number: 613 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 195.93.21.42 |
Matt hatter and mcmstaff78, Thank you for your replies about the following website, Http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ I have to admit that I did not yet read the whole website but I found the bits that I read like some of the articles of "Wolves in sheep clothing" and some of the articles on "Bible versions" helpful and informative. Can you tell me specifically which parts of the website including which paragraphs you find toxic or wrong? Re: Bible Versions I believe that the bible can not be treated like any other book because it is the word or God therefore if I was translating the bible I would take much more care than with the translation of any other book and I would want to be sure that the manuscripts that I use are accurate. I believe with the limited historical knowledge that I have that the Alexandrian manuscripts from Egypt have been perverted by Origin who was agnostic. I also believe that this deliberate perversion of God's word is demonic! You might be a good translator but your are not going to produce an accurate version of God's words in english if you translate from another book or from corrupted manuscripts. The most accurate Greek manuscripts need to be used to translate God's words. I also based on my limited historical and biblical knowledge believe that God did preserve his words in the Bysantine manuscripts from Antioch, Syria. I do not wish to offend anyone here I just believe that we should have the fear of God when we recommend a particular translation and as far as I know the KJV appears to be the most accurate translation available in English. Although I find it hard to believe that any translation is perfect hence the need to go back to the original Greek or Hebrew if any doubt arises on the meaning or a particular bible verse. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 127 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.212.251 |
geez, where is your faith? Do you really think God wouldn't have a hand in translating His own word? Do you really think He would exclude us from His word simply because we speak a less refined language such as English? Anyway the mystery of God can only be understood by the Spirit of God, one can look at the words till kingdom come but if the Spirit isn't in it they will not find out the mystery which God is communicating with us us mortals. | ||
| pilgrim Advanced Member Username: pilgrim Post Number: 614 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 195.93.21.42 |
Giulia, Thanks for your message. May I ask you a question? Which english bible version do you believe to be the most accurate and why? Blessings, pilgrim | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.212.251 |
I was just coming back to say "having said that" I myself use the KJV, I have heard NIV being called:the non-informed version and I agreed at the time because is leaves out essential words. Still, I would never have understood any of it unless God touched me and gave me the ability to understand. I also use the RSV sometimes and the American Standard Version (I think that is what it's called) I think is also a good representation of the original. In reading any though, as I said, unless the Spirit brings light to the scriptures they mean nothing more than intellectual gobble di goo (Message edited by Giulia on September 30, 2007) | ||
| hardbones Member Username: hardbones Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.48.176.4 |
I think the kjv is the best & most accurate. I just don't think it was inspired. I think it was translated at a time when the reverance for the bible as being God's word was much higher then it is today. I have started using a NKJV because so many of those around me have little bible background and don't understand kj english. | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 129 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.212.251 |
I think God had a hand in the translation. You don't think it was inspired yet you think they had more reverence than today? Don't understand how someone can have reverence without the inspiration of God as one cannot call God "Lord" unless inspired. I don't mean to just say it, but to have a reverence for Him, which means to fear and respect Him which is the beginning of wisdom. (Message edited by Giulia on September 30, 2007) | ||
| hardbones Member Username: hardbones Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 70.48.176.4 |
I think those who translated the KJV had more respect for the bible being God's word than people do today. Higher criticism of the bible has had a lot of effect. Even on those who believe the bible is God's word. I think it is inspired in the original languages. Everything else is a translation. That's why we have to know Heb and Gr. I do agree that the HS brings understanding to us as we read and study. Like everything else in the xian life bible translation is a human/divine cooperative effort. Big subject. I think the KJV is the best we have but not inspired. If I didn't have it I would use one of the others maybe the garbage can version(RSV)  | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 130 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.212.251 |
How about Latin? I know many words in English are rooted in Latin and the Vulgate was Latin? So though I studied the bible in college for 2 and a half years I didn't get right into it's origin, I was to ecstatic about my new found relationship then and was more on about other principles of faith. Do you know where Latin comes into it? | ||
| pilgrim Advanced Member Username: pilgrim Post Number: 615 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 195.93.21.42 |
Grace, You may find the information that you need in the following link. http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/preservedcopies.asp | ||
| giulia Intermediate Member Username: giulia Post Number: 131 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 59.101.212.251 |
Gee it was nice of you to acknowledge me. It's great to know different languages to understand the origins better. I do okay with my Latin and tongues and inspiration and revelation from the Holy Spirit, thanks anyway, sorry I asked. | ||
| matt_hatter Senior Member Username: matt_hatter Post Number: 4225 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 216.226.180.3 |
Pilgrim, please read this article from your recommended website and tell me I should put any stock in anything said on that site. This is a truly disgusting theory, developed in the mind of a crackpot. The irony of the whole site is that for all the talk of 'wolves', this article just shows the whole site is a wolf itself. So it presents a few things worthwhile. Then you dig a little deeper and find crapola like this. God Bless, you seem like a sweet person. Please don't fall for stuff like this. It hurts to know that the tragedy of 9-11 has been reduced to such garbage. | ||
| pilgrim Advanced Member Username: pilgrim Post Number: 617 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 195.93.21.42 |
matt_hatter, I do not really want to talk about that. I find the whole thing too sad and too shocking to talk about it at the moment. There is plenty of similar information in websites and videos all over the net. I came across similar information lots of time just doing a google search or watching google videos on Revelation 13:15-18, The Mark of the Beast, Microchips implants, antichrist, and other bible prophesies. |
