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a_sister_of_yours
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Username: a_sister_of_yours
Post Number: 9
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 71.220.21.36
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 4:31 pm: | 
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Can you tell me the story of your experience with HH, or where you tell it on another thread?
asoy |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 126
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 5:26 pm: |
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yes I will. I am on my way to church but later tonight I will get with you. Blessings to you. |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 127
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 10:49 pm: |
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I just got in from church and I ask you to forgive me something has come up and I will not have time tonight to spend in my office. Tomorrow I have 2 doctorīs appointments but should be free tomorrow night. Sorry, but I will get back with you. May the Lord of harvest bless you. |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 134
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 12:20 am: |
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I have not forgot I have been praying just what to say. The story is long and complex. I will get back as promised. Please remember my health in your prayers. Thank you. |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 140
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 2:17 pm: |
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In just a few words today, my letdown (guess that is the best word) with HH had really nothing to do with their simple life style for I am a simple person. As most know my family are life long missionaries. My husband comes from a long line of preachers. I come from a religious family. Since in this long line there are Pentecostals, Baptists, Methodists and others differences were not something that shocked me.
What shocked me was I caught them in lies and using Godīs name to force their will on people. I noticed things that "just were not right" over and over.
Of all people I did not want what I was seeing to be true. I did not want HH to be another Waco or Jim Jones doing...but the more I observed and the more I saw pressure put on people I sadly realized the arts andcrafts, simple life style and what good I saw was to cover up something very cruel and evil to say the least.
The first times I saw leaders screaming I thought well maybe this one has a temper or made some kind of excuse in my mind but then another and another and from our hotel room in the Philippines we heard HW screaming on the phone to someone we sat down on the bed and wept...we knew we were mixed up in a cult that "owns" and brainwashes.
I did not want this to be true and we were afraid and only talked at that time about our fear to certain people. We wanted to be wrong. I wanted what I saw on the surface to be true but it was not. I saw people that are not normal their thinking their reasonng changed by constant "thus saith the Lord"...
I tried to reason with Sister Roxie and realized she was controlled and nothing I could say would ever get through. KNOWING they were wrong and admitting that to us she still said they were Jesus in the flesh. Knowing they lied she covered up for them.
I realized she was not the same person I had known long ago on the mission field. Her thoughts, mind, actions and every move was controlled. If they said do she did if they said do not she did not.
That scared me and I am still scared.
(more later) |
a_sister_of_yours
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Username: a_sister_of_yours
Post Number: 19
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 71.220.21.36
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 3:49 pm: |
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Thank you |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 147
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 6:55 pm: |
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My precious sister:
I donīt think in all my years I have ever seen anything like hh...it seemed so perfect at first.I took lots of friends there and they all told me the same thing...it is too perfect to be real. Something more than love holds it together but I wanted to believe it was love and told all my friends that. Then when we saw it was fear a horrible fear that held it together we were devastated.
I weep just to think of those that cannot even pick up a newspaper without wondering if somebody might see them and tell on them...I weep to think of the children that will never know how to face a real world...
I weep for those who secretly want to break free but know what will happen...
I weep for the horrible bondage that has been put upon a people in the name of a Revelation from God for the hour we are living in.
MY dear sister, I am not against community, I am not against however closer to God someone wants to live. I too want to live close to God. However I could never teach my people things that would divide their families and drive them to muder their own babies...
No wonder they could tell me so easily to kill my spiritual baby (The Brazilian work)...I weep...
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praxaluh
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Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 75
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 9:46 am: |
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Hi Folks,
And I will yet again point out that the standards of not having the daily 'newspaper' in the home is simply a wonderful community way of keeping the media fascination with murder and crime and strife from being the focus of home and community life. Any strong Christian community is likely to take the same stance.
You would do a lot better weeping for the dissolution of families and culture throughout secular and 'Christian lite' USA, and the desparate need for holiness and sanctity, than 'weeping' for those who properly keep a holy sense of awe and wonder before God in their homes.
Amazing.
Shalom,
Praxaluh |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 155
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 11:02 am: |
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Is their REAL focus on community? Is their REAL focus on family?
Ask those that have torn away from their families by HHīs bondage and you will see their real focus. |
common_sense
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Username: common_sense
Post Number: 19
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 64.173.169.60
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 12:42 pm: |
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Prax,
Is is possible that many people do not have media in their home out of fear of HH leadership rather than to "properly keep a holy sense of awe and wonder before God in their homes"? If so, is that a motive that God honors? |
majajh
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Username: majajh
Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.94.95.28
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 12:45 pm: |
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Prax, you are just being a goon defending legalism. It's none of the leaders business if people read media. This is so stupid!
Also, I notice you never, in your deference to authority quote, "Submit yourself for the Lord's sake to the governing authorities...". |
praxaluh
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Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 79
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 1:21 pm: |
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Common_sense, in all my years in HH I never once 'missed' the daily newspaper. It seemed obvious that this was the simple stance of holiness, why would you want a household diverted and focused by the daily secular depravities when you were walking in the holiness and peace of God's kingdom ?
So, CS, you are making an unnecessary dichotomy. It is almost impossible to see anybody in any strong Christian community 'missing' The Daily Rag. However if they did, the fact that this 'great sacrifice' was common understanding and praxis would make it very easy to be an overcomer. And to forego the daily 'fix' of murder and crime and strife that seeks to sneak its way into your living room.
(There are other elements too, a type of voyeurship that permeates secular society, also the intellectual political/social prides of 'solving' the worlds problems outside of the Lord Jesus Christ.)
The very fact that we have oppo folks trying to make an issue on this is itself very telling (C_S, I realize you were never in HH).
Any Christian with a heart for the things of God reading this should be astounded.
Shalom,
Praxaluh
PS.
(And this is yet another example of the missing one oppo who spoke kindly and warmly of the holiness standards and patterns of HH.) |
common_sense
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Username: common_sense
Post Number: 20
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 64.173.169.60
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:25 pm: |
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Prax,
You didn't answer the question. Try again.
Is fear of HH leadership an honorable motive for not reading a newspaper? |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 158
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 5:06 pm: |
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HE cannot answer in truth without tearing down everything he has said. |
praxaluh
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Username: praxaluh
Post Number: 81
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.193.219.212
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 9:19 pm: |
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Hmmmm .. the question was answered far above and beyond the call of duty. Do any have ears to hear ?
If you are a Christian in a Christian community of faith who really seeks the fix of the morning crime and celebrity sludge sheet more than the fellowship of God's people - yes you really do need some help.
And if some of that help comes from brothers and sisters, excellent.
And if some of that help comes from a word of the folks in ministry, even a 'hard word' for you to receive - thank you Lord Jesus that they care about the little foxes.
Which of you would really put the scandal and politic and sleaze sheets ahead of God ?
And then point your finger against the brothers and sisters and ministry that walks and lives in a crisp and refreshing holiness ?
Is it really so difficult to comprehend a Christian people who earnestly take to heart -
Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD,
choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that
were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites,
in whose land ye dwell:
but as for me and my house,
we will serve the LORD.
Shalom,
Steven Avery |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 163
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 9:56 pm: |
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crisp and refreshing holiness...lol
so holiness consists of putting diapers on grown kids, leaders screaming, scaring old ladies, punishing babies...Prov 14:25
25 A truthful witness saves lives,
but a false witness is deceitful.
NIV
Matt 24:11
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
NIV
Mark 13:22-23
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect-if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
NIV |
majajh
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Username: majajh
Post Number: 20
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 24.94.95.28
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 2:14 am: |
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Holiness is not living in neighborhoods with non-Christians, being aloof from the inferior Church, not eating catfish, and not reading about the local high school football team in the local paper. In short, live somewhere in a commune, and dress funny so everyone knows how seriously religious you are. |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 164
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:23 am: |
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Steven Avery (prax) said:
And if some of that help comes from a word of the folks in ministry, even a 'hard word' for you to receive - thank you Lord Jesus that they care about the little foxes.
' a hard word' Jesus himself said 'hard' words at times...but we never find HIM telling people to spank babies we find him taking them on his lap and saying thus is the kingdom of God.
We donīt find Jesus screaming to his sheep and only once did we ever find him in a ''temper' ouburst and it sure was not to His little ones it was to the laegivers of His day that were decieving the people and getting rich off the people.Luke 18:16-17
16 But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."
NIV
We do not find Jesus mistreating the little old ladies and even living under the time the Talmud was in effect Jesus called a woman a daughter of Abraham. ( a no-no for that time)
We do not find Jesus at all in submission to the group of elders that ruled in His day for HE knew they used Godīs word for the wrong reasons.
You Mr Prax like the Jews of the days of old reject truth and have hardened your heart of pure Bible holiness.
Your patting on the back of your type people is so wrong. Repent for the Kindom of God is at hand.
Have no worry it will not be by my simple limited knowledge of English that will bring HH down it will be by their own hands...
You cannot abuse people forever... |
missionary_lady
Intermediate Member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 165
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 189.3.11.119
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:30 am: |
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and never forget some people that were abused are out there and they have a story and they ARE going to tell it. Some sat back and waited thinking in the interveiw that HW and some would confess and tell the truth about things but once again they covered up...Someone told me Sister Alvear if they confess we will back down all we want is them (hh) to realize they were wrong...
Until they confess they will never be blessed... |