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promises_firm
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Posted From: 216.54.35.34
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 4:31 pm: | 
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look. carman does not have the kind of character that would be safe to be married to. you can get yourselves all tied up in knots over it, but it's still true.
he gives too much of himself away to other women and activities. he is extremely self centered even though he knows how to be other centered at times. he is profoundly dishonest about his culpability in situations or his own responsibility in relationships and things gone ayre. he is the consumate "entitled" or martryed victim.
it's unbelievably immature and character disordered no matter how old he is chronologically.
dr. laura often speaks on how "self centeredness" is the main cause for divorce. he is or was, too close to his mom and he did fill in a void for her emotionally and is so prideful apparently that he doesn't want to admit to it. she took the place of a trusted wife and benefited from his life the way his wife should have. ask the Lord, anyone actually reverences Him above all things.
this is sounding surreal to his worshippers and to his fans who like him for the high and the edification that they receive from the Holy Spirit who ministers through him when he is submitted during singing and preaching. it doesn't matter if it does. this is the way that a good friend or a brave minister would speak to him.
he would hate it and act all victimized. mostly he would either thank them and start avoiding them later, or he would blame whatever is the real problem (his) on someone or something.
his meltdowns that people talk over mean something. and he should seek therapy for that and then testify.
who has the love or nerve to even discern if he is lying to himself and if he is on some wrong course with his life or calling. too overly "gentle" and it really isn't gentle anyways. or too "enabling" of him in the name of liking him. when you really know that someone has a problem and if you really care then you risk their rejection or anomosity, (something he is very good at and skilled in emotionally) and you tell them plainly.
his response and his lack of action or change prove who he is in the summary of life. he should not be suing someone it is anti-Biblical. for a guy who preaches this Perfect Way and who relies on a Holy and All Knowing God, he should be walking the walk...not just talking the talk.
if his finances are crumbling. for crying out loud, fast and pray and ask why and bend your pride to repent. he is a victim to God now? he has probably cursed someone who is blessed and has pushed something in false authority against real authority.
that doesn't have to mean public recognition on the part of the person who is a genuine authority. Elijah had huge authority when he was hiding from a false queen murderess.
david was appointed king when hiding from saul and a sheperd. Jesus was Lord when being hidden from herod.
he can have all the famous, highly placed friends in ministry. and golly he has em. but if he isn't friends with God then forghetta about it! he can look long and angrily or with the most self pity and faux confusion ever on his visage up into the cloud covered sunrise skies from some balcony in brazil and act like God or life is doing him wrong. or that God owes him somehow and it won't change anything for the good.
no one here is God's appointee to determine carman's condition or ultimate outcome other than God. |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 216.54.35.34
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 4:54 pm: |
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when carman repents for his character flaws and some things he has done and said that were really very wrong and off spiritually too, that he won't come around or see clearly out of selfishness never admitted to, then he will be lifted up and led out into something new that "may" have nothing to do with the crouches or cwo, but something new and holy for sure.
thank the Lord that He gave him three years of church concerts to remind of how gifted and called he is. if there are money problems then that is a signal. no matter what well wishing, other celebrities or ministers say in support of their "friend", it will always matter what God says. if carman can't hear that or see it accurately, he will have to find out why.
that's a firm promise for all Christians who really want to know God's will.
if he has to make amends for something or somethings well then he has to. rationalizations justifications arrogance victim fantasies lies and revenge or hot temper aside.
if he gave things away to women that God gave him specifically for his wife, he will have to find out how to pray about that and restore or ask for restoration to be sent out regardless of him and his agenda or desires.
he can marry anyone. heck in some states he can marry a man. he has a free will. if it's legal he can do. BUT does God have a woman set apart?
is her photo on myspace or her poems the contact point. if your really close to God, then He would tell you no.
how can you operate in a celebrity mentality and fantasy world with self as the center even when you claim God is, and be in reality or destiny regarding something that big. they that worship God, (which what carman should do with and in marriage) must worship Him in Spirit and in TRUTH.
God has "one wife" ie if he is going to go into an 'election'and probably another one with less of anointing and more suited to the intentions soulish prayers and designs of himself or others for him if he is never going to get into, or qualify for a particular election. there can be a wife that is a consequence to him for 'cursing and rejecting'. those are two words He placed into this post.
not to be demeaning but like some charismatic preachers analogize, if you are going to run a race you need a race horse and if you are going to be a new york central park buggy then you need a driving horse. both are valuable and important but both are very different.
and is carman the right kind of horse (man-husband) for a higher, more anointed and prepared by God- for a purpose- wife? no one wants to believe that carman did the wrong thing about marriage. very few here want to believe he does anything wrong ever. success is not Godhead.
if he confessed that and stopped acting like something wrong has been happening to him, and maybe got into therapy he could be connected to a particular woman for a higher purpose.
he isn't emotionally safe to be married to and he should do all that he can-
like Timothy states to make a calling and election "sure" to marry the highest and best wife that God would gift him with.
he is not qualified now and he disqualified.
argue and curse all you want ladies of factnet and fans around the states, but when one drops all agenda and all personal opinion and just simply seeks the Lord, only being on His side, then He speaks and that is what He said.
how can a wife who is very connected to God, submitted to His Word and His ways, get past the whole marriage and divorce thing and how honest will carman be about himself in that entire thing with her? you can't build a lasting relationship on lies and manipulations. |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 216.54.35.34
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 5:22 pm: |
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how can he qualify? what can he do?
God has all those answers and requirements and possibilities based in cheerful, trusting obedience and faith.
should be conjoled by his ministry friends and other people who talk a lot about God, but are ambition based? so he has an anointing. okay. all the more reason to deal with character flaws and manipulations.
if he doesn't face the mom factor (book by same name out there) he can't be safe for marriage.
if he doesn't face his own anger and control he can't be safe no matter how affable charming cute or artistic he is. and jan makes mistakes and is not a fortune teller. every single Christian whether with small obligations or great, must look to the Lord for understanding and revealing about personal sin and ask "search me and try me and show me if there be any ANY wicked way within me".
wouldn't it be responsible to go into therapy for a year or more and tell the truth and let the truth be told to him and then start asking again for the right wife.
not just a body or an image, or spueish a fantasy or someone's will for him, (other than God's) but a spirit, a particular heart and character, a help mate prepared and specially equipped that he can add to and be a safe covering for and an election?
if you are a person who tricks and charms don't be surprised if you get tricked and charmed. if you are reliant on men in the place where you should be on God, then don't be amazed when you get falliable info and direction.
if you have incest and denial going on, then you will find that kind of person easy to be around as it's familiar.
God commands us to change and it glorifies Him for us to be transformed and made new.
he has imposed this burden and dilema on her and on those who had deep trust and in him. it's one thing for the people who buy discs, to say who cares, or for people to feel like they are loving him by saying who cares, but his wife may not be "called" to feel sorry for him. or regarding patricia and all of those realities.
what healing does carman have to do? why are his finances drying up?
why is jan crouch always interfering with him?
it's not about the "Gospel" that's a ploy, even if she doesn't see that about herself. if God is drying someone up for their real good in the future, what power and sensation does it give her to "rescue". it only gets in God's way and it only makes her feel something.
does she have the humility to 'even ask' after all achievements and the friendships she has if she is doing something not in God's plan. does she assume in Christian arrogance that if it's an "inspiration" or idea she has that it "must be God"?
are you kidding?
when do see them do a piece with Charisma life magazine exposing, with balance, ministers who stray and whose doctrines become new age? |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 216.54.35.34
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 5:33 pm: |
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she won't even listen to honestly and maturely expressed offense or correction about the topless statue of the woman sitting on a bench attended by cherubs or other pagan and rude (expensive) unecessary sculptures she has on the property (God's property) at TBN.
her employees are intimidated too. that's right as others in this discussion have brought out.
Christians are firmly obligated to do things differently than the World, and in particular with relating to each other and being humble and approachable.
is she above the law? who tells her the truth about her puppet image of a 20 something and her controls and bad temper at home that no one is allowed to see on TV and that she covers over with the things you all have discussed here like her sweet voice and wigs and makeup.
not too mention polytheisism, (outrageous blurts the peanut gallery) and "super extra blown up out of realistic proportion" Christian "imaging".
BE CHRISTIAN. NO, REALLY. Be Christian in all things. That is our mandate and our possibility through Christ. some things are not open to change and personal debate as though the debate has authority over the bottom line. we are not defining God and we are commanded to follow His ways and have His mind.
check out the interior of the TBN in CA, it really feels mentally off and overdone. it's not holiness like some try put out there. she is mingling mythology and pagan images and statues and it's an expression not an accident. its unclean acccording to sound doctrine and the Bible. (they didn't write the Bible or help to re write it)
when do they reprove rebuke and exhort with all diligence, like the Word says to do? they avoid alcoholism, healing for abusive relationships and people, homosexuality issues and they avoid many things. thankfully some ministers address things sometimes. lot's of good, but this is not what this post is about. they are very patriotic and that is exceptional and the programming is largely awesome.
God doesn't like fake and He doesn't like that paul and jan are basically above reproach, evaluation and that they take too much credit for TBN.
it's all the people who pray and who send in large or small donations. it's the fact that God doesn't want the network to fail. when they take deeper deeper and deeper credit and are untouchable by every day, accurate people who love God and who put Him above ministry cliques and power or ambition and recognition, that's when He will deal with them, us you anyone personally.
recall the words of paul, "I think not my self to have arrived or apprehended". they only allow "great men or women" or lawyers and governments or "personal prophets" to speak to them and then it's still very tenuous and has to be so wonderfully edifying that it promises to garner nine more properties and a supernatural breast lift?
some of the people preaching on a full time basis and making a huge living off of the Gospel, don't live it. really, they don't live it. correction and honesty and humbly receiving others is the opposite of the corporate hierarchy system or a monarchy. |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 216.54.35.34
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 5:53 pm: |
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call jan and paul and complain, in a godly polite and fully honest manner, about the pagan statues or anything else and see if they are not only removed but destroyed. like the big statue of the Goddess Diana that is upstairs and greets you on the way to the TV audience.
there are breaches in the wall, (Biblical reference) and they are whitewashed. TBN is very important. if the network changed names or had new truly God appointed managers (stewards) over it and God wanted it to continue, enlarge and use it to heal, open the way for salvation and bring in souls, expose sin and oh yes false hood (barely)preach and enlighten darkened eyes, it would work and succeed without any of the crouches.
it is really uncomfortable to see mario and carman on the same show this week. why? because they slept with the same woman and she left mario for carman and his mom helped. it's too complicated and they should not be on the same program. it feels incestuous and in denial. go ahead carman, diminish it.
you are good at diminishing anything you don't like. or acting afraid of it. the worst thing about you is the victim mentality and the darkness you practice emotionally. by the way, stop lying about your background on myspace and clean up your myspace too. or are you gluttonous for attention from anyone? you used to have really high standards. including not sueing people.
what are saying now? what's going on in your heart? what words do you speak, are they godly? self controlled? humble? normal?
have you ever publically denounced what carlton is doing by the way? its hard to not associate you with him sometimes and he was just on CNN acting like guess what? a victim to Christians and garnering more attention for himself, monopolizing the disenfranchised gay community.
what do you feel about homosexuality carman?
go ahead all in fantasy land, be in a lie and in self serving denial about it all.
yes they should forgive and move on and forward, but to be together seems like one of the crouches inappropriate ideas in the name of something they say is Christian.
carman using the "Same yesterday today and forever" scripture in association with CWO is wrong. you are right. it's not a slogan.
it IS about the Alpha and Omega.
when God evaluates you and us and all of this communication content and intent, He looks upon the heart. who wants to please God and love in a mature manner more than they want to please themselves, lie about it because it looks or sounds bad?
life giving rebuke and provoking to good works is godly and loving.
hating those who speak truthfully is not a virtue and its not, NOT - Christ.
rather than trying to figure out who posts, why not hear see and discover the truth about yourself earnestly and authentically?
is it more important who you are?
carman? would you EVER correct or be reflective for change and antiseptic impact, jan?
does your mom produce any form or type of witchcraft with her words or prayers? some here may not understand that spiritual insight, but golly mr. bojangles, you do.
ever renounce your curses and hatred or ill will and ever bind the oppressions or hinderances that she or anyone who supports you religiously sends out, because you love God and you choose love above all else?
do you like the idea of others "getting cursed" in the name of you?
do you ask God and look to the Word to control and define your perspective and responses?
do you ever repent for acting like a victim and for emotional inappropriateness with mom? insulted?
pride is such a strong Christian value and revenge is the "way". like frankie, do it your way.
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grace2u
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Post Number: 224
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 6:13 pm: |
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how can a wife who is very connected to God, submitted to His Word and His ways, get past the whole marriage and divorce thing and how honest will carman be about himself in that entire thing with her? you can't build a lasting relationship on lies and manipulations.
I am so glad that God can get passed all our sins and provide us with mercy and grace. |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 216.54.35.34
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 2:18 pm: |
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i am so glad that you are one of those women, which we all know there are many of you, who still think of carman in terms of how you would respond to him in the hopes of marriage.
why would you ever think that you could see him from the eyes of a wife? you are not his wife and never will be. aren't you the woman who posted thousands of posts and with many user names and then eventually divulged that you had delusional thoughts, false prophecy too that you were to leave your husband and marry him? apparently someone beat you to that false prophetic course. the devil was already working on him and sometimes through his anger and controls to cast a suspicious and derogatory light on the prophetic and to try to control it or dismiss it.
anyone see Janet Loyd on TBN this week? the prophetess, lawyer, strong polished woman who decribed what the prophetic really is?
yes, the kind he does not like because of the jezebel spirit in his life. how about last night and the ministry discussing jezebel and what a complimentary prophet is (not one) and what a real prophet does in the Lord and how you can tell when there is a jezebel or ahab spirit involved?
didn't you say on more than 20 occassions across five years or something that you were never coming back to the discussion and that it wasn't God's will and that it was bad for you too?
aren't you the person carman referred to some months ago on myspace as being unreceptive to your advances of false prophecies and false dreams that you were imposing at him?
granted he has had his share of discounting the authentic and he has had his moments of intense paranoia and melt downs according to you all, so he could reject the legitimate for selfish or Ahab reasons, but when it comes to you he is right on.
which is it mrs. grace2? is your mental health an issue? are you a false prophet and should you really be inserting your heart thought in the position of a wife from a distance in any way to or regarding carman?
when you say that you have children and a husband and a busy life as a professor and church leader and also gaining one of your three degrees, you have to scratch your head and say she's lying. how much you are lying only God and you know.
carman would deter from you in almost any setting and he should. you should not be monitoring the discussion here as though you are some part of his life and destiny.
you can be forgiven and at the same time not trusted. you have earned that. he has the same realities at work in his life. although he can earn trust again if he were to prove over a period of time that he had changed as a man and a minister.
he is a therapy area in your life and you can repent for false prophecy but stop going back to the scene of the crime. especially participating in toned down, but really the exact same way.
are you leaving or staying? what do you have to do with carman? are you back in his chat room under a different name now? IM'ing him on myspace and pretending for whatever lonely reason in your life and control issues, that you are in some way connected to him and his ministry? many people think that they are called to carman. unless they are making a difference in his life it isn't true.
God did not connect you to him and in His mercy and grace He is using it in your life to correct and change you too. Heal you probably and cleanse you of the darkness of false spirituality.
God works all things together for the good, if we love Him and pursue His calling.
You can't help carman get married and you have to take some action regarding your temper that shows up when someone like zebra shows that he/she has a working collegiate level of culture and society. you really don't like feeling de powered and it isn't just disappointing or unpleasant for you, you go a little postal. |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 216.54.35.34
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 2:23 pm: |
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if you really have the life you have described try investing in that alone and working out your salvation. God is saying to say, yes, totally clear- "carman is none of "your" business".
you don't just comment or observe, you are spiritually and emotionally involved in such a way that is fleshly, occult and mentally unhealthy. and jezebel. you are also in fellowship with believers who have this spirituality at work in and through them.
the fact that you submitted yourself to another one of the false prophets on this discussion speaks volumes.
go. go in grace and mercy and let carman be carman and you place your interests in your husband. if he is real.
what's real is carman having some darkness around prophecy and aspects to his person and character that unless worked on honestly make him not really safe to be married to. he can be insulted or challenged.
his response demonstrates his real character, heart and intimacy with Christ.
he really should not be suing anyone and he really should apprehend the witchcraft in his mom, and in him from her. it's not condemnation. it's no longer being ahab and no longer being in self service in the form of denial. Christians can be in all kinds of spiritual sin. look at saul. he was God's own, His anointed. david, sampson, even annanias and sapharia were Christians in the church.
be courageous and humble and ask God for His perspective. lay down self and ambition and be willing to be uncomfortable for the sake of truth and change through Jesus. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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why would you ever think that you could see him from the eyes of a wife?
Because we are to respond to others as God would and how does he think of the church.
That is my reply - think what you would like. |
grace2u
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aren't you the woman who posted thousands of posts and with many user names and then eventually divulged that you had delusional thoughts, false prophecy too that you were to leave your husband and marry him?
Nope - never divulged that. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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Talk about false words. |
grace2u
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I can't respond to most of your post because it's bits and parts of the truth, a lot of distortion (about things that I have said) and a lot of stuff that I have no knowledge of.
Again - lots of falseness and distortion about what I do know.
But I'm praying for you. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 10:29 pm: |
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The greatest of these is love . . .
God loved us so much that he died for us.
I heard a man of God say to day when he was reading in the Bible about how God has instructed man to love his wife and that men need to think about how much God loved us.
It doesn't just stop with a man's love for his wife. We are all called to love -- the greatest spiritual gift.
How much grace has God extended to us? How much grace should we extend to others? |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 12:29 am: |
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is your mental health an issue? are you a false prophet and should you really be inserting your heart thought in the position of a wife from a distance in any way to or regarding carman?
Neither my mental health is fine if not better than ever and I don't recall ever claiming to be a prophet.
I will continue to keep you in my prayers. |
promises_firm
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you praying is really not something enjoyable or ordained by God.
your prayers are soul-ish and have been bound.
it is like asking a hindu to pray for someone.
you can't pray your weirded and ego centric will over someone and pretend (just for personal power) that you are praying God's will. what if it is you doing your own manifestation of personal witchcraft? you cloak how angry and vitrole you can be. grace is a very appropriate way to think towards you and for you.
you forget what you say and do and that is not really a picture of mental health.
so now you are denying that you once felt "called" to marry carman and heard this from God, and told your husband? there are no false words in the above posted information.
someone is going to be called to marry carman, but won't be someone who is married at the time or a witch who doesn't want to realize it. there are many Christians who have witchcraft in their souls and practices.
you would be able to locate many teachings on that since you are ever learning and teaching. are you a false teacher too who uses the Word of God to get attention and power for yourself?
you don't have to claim to be a prophet to be a false one. you did claim to have prophetic dreams and prophetic messages for carman. you did claim that you were called to marry carman and leave your husband.
what you define as love is not complete, clinical, Biblical or healthy. you should not be praying for others, but you really need prayer yourself.
no grace, you lie about who you are and your condition and you are relating to carman like you see him through the eyes of a wife. you were expelled from his ministry and you have lied and raged all over this discussion. you have attacked prophets and supported jezebels.
you go nutsy angry when someone speaks intelligently and corrects your "footnote" quotations. you seem to flit about on many threads and under various user names, giving lectures and stretching your proverbial muscles.
how lonely are you in real life and time? who is it that makes you feel so darn powerlessness and unworthy that you do what you do and react the way you do?
are you currently in some type of therapy? you were before from what you have said. unless that was a lie along with your other impressions. you were probably in therapy before you ever entered the chat room.
if you have such a godly and happy or wonderfully fulfilled life, how do manage to carve out so much time and energy to monitor and respond to a discussion board that has little to do with you in Christ legitimately.
do you actually believe that carman "needs you" personally to extend grace to him? are you called to love him and be in a delusional relationship with him? God doesn't call you to leave your husband to marry carman. and God doesn't call you to make up things about yourself and to make up false prophecies.
you say that you love carman when actually you are paying attention to yourself in some way and manipulating the situation. you are a troubled soul and a spiritual witch. that doesn't mean that you can't repent or be delivered.
there is grace for you 2 and love, and if you love God you would face that and stop lying and hating with a cloak of love and prayer supposedly extended outwardly. you extend grace to others so you have a "power pop".
have you discussed this kind of thing in your psychotherapies?
are you going to deny that you were on medication and have troubled relationships with your family and have been really unstable? |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 68.13.217.216
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not all prayer is commissioned or birthed or orchestrated by God. you realize that don't you?
you have proven over the many texts of your posts that you are not to be trusted emotionally or spiritually. have you read your posts? there are so many that it would take a practical lifetime to read them, but in the those that are easily accessible what is being said "about you" here and now, is not false.
your prayers should be prayed off of carman and possibly anyone other than your husband and children. do they actually exist in the real world?
the ultimate little power statement and control over you thrust, "I am praying for you".
no thank you. bound and cast off too.
God's grace is sufficient for you. witchcraft can be cleansed outand broken off. the Blood of Jesus is very powerful and a miracle everyday.
a deliverance service or an old time styled long revival would benefit you and your brain.
your husband can't be comfortable with your activity here. if you are married to someone who is godly, he would care for his bride as Christ cares for the church and would take better care of your mental health. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 72.254.177.244
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Firm,
I may read your posts but I really don't know if I will be responding (not saying that I will or will not but honestly don't see a need to respond to you). You see the accusations of the devil are becoming more like the small French peas in Veggietales than a big giant pickle in my life.
The false words really are more like an annoying fly than anything else. (Like you are in a position to judge my prayers.) But for the readers I will just say that God commands us to pray for those who come against us. God would NEVER tell us some of the things you posted above so that settles it for me regarding who you are listening to. It is God that I will follow so you are being prayed for! |
grace2u
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Posted From: 72.254.151.103
| | Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 12:05 am: |
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you did claim that you were called to marry carman and leave your husband.
Nope - never did!
I affirm that I never said that here in front of God and mankind.
False Words again falling to the ground . . . but making my faith in Christ stronger with each word! |
grace2u
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Posted From: 72.254.151.103
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the lies of satan . . . he can't even get the accusations correct! I love it! I love it!
Keep on building my faith as I watch the lies of satan fall! |
grace2u
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Posted From: 72.254.151.103
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One more thing - on dream interpretation: "generally" if someone is in your dream that does not mean you are dreaming about them but a part of yourself. Look in the Bible many times people are represented as "objects" and not themselves in dreams. Not saying that it couldn't happened.
I may have had 1 maybe 2 dreams about Carman. Guess what - those were dreams about me and Carman represented a certain thing about me. How do you like the way God orchestrated rebuilding His temple on Factnet? It was a witness to God and the really awesome thing is that He did it using someone like me that was really ignorant of what dream interpretation was about at the time or how dreams were used in the Bible. I just threw out the words of the dream (not even knowing any better) and God went to work on rebuilding the temple. What an awesome God! |
hope_faith_and_love
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A few Sunday's ago, I got to hear my brother-in-law preach. His sermon was about the man who lived among the tombs and had a legion of demons that tormented him and caused him to have open wounds on his body. By the Law, Jesus as a Rabbi was not to go where the dead were or go near where someone had open wounds. My brother-in-law said that the devil thought he had found a way to keep God from getting to this man, but Jesus demonstrated that there was no place that Satan could trap us that He could not or would not come to rescue us! This is the One in whom I trust. He is the Good Shepherd. Jesus can recognize those that are sheep and those that are goats, but for now Jesus said to allow both to come and that later they will be sorted. As believers we must each live by the Word of God. We cannot make or force anyone else to. We know what the Word of God teaches us about how we should live, dress and behave... Let each of us do this and leave those who want to ignore, push the envelop, or hasn't learned yet to God. |
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God looks at the heart. God knows the motive..that is why He is God. He looks into the inner man..which some of us hide really good with selfrightousness. I am a "Sinner" saved by God's grace. I thank God for his love & mercy. I can identify with Paul being the Chief of sinners. |
grace2u
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Well and I can identify with the demoniac although I don't hear the demons inside my head (unless it is my carnal man speaking then that would qualify). Instead the legion seems to be coming from the dead around me or those that have one foot in the grave (hey I've been there) and those that try to have one foot hanging onto life.
So I totally identify the Good Shepherd finding a way to rescue me when doctrine and much of what I had been taught would not allow for good soil to plant a seed - still He finds a way.
And I can identify with Paul and Peter and the like. Still I will not accept anyone telling me that God can and will not allow me to be trusted or used again. That is inaccurate. I HAVE been pretty transparent and I have tried to be. I'm sure I have failed at times because I have a defense system like everyone else . . .
Still, I have to admit it is not fun thinking of myself in a similar situation as a demoniac. But God has given me sooooo much grace, mercy, and love and more than that He has brought me to a place where I can understand and practice Faith!
How in the world can I look back in my rear view mirror of my vehicle when I have such a great God who can use even me . . . just a sinner saved by grace! |
grace2u
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He/She (promises firm) took some truth and added quite a bit to what I said.
That's all I am saying. I have no "intent" to try to judge anyone's heart. I believe I have learned to be merciful myself - I'm not perfect but God has brought me a long way and I am trying to stay where He has brought me. |
grace2u
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And even with myself I am careful to judge:
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. |
promises_firm
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anyone is in a position to "judge your prayers" by your example and your fruit.
anyone has the right to resist and deflect from the prayers of a Christian who has proven to be a liar, grace or not; and one should avoid and bind the "witchcraft" and self sanctified spiritism of one who preports herself to be an authority one moment and then is self yielding under the wrong authorities the next moment.
if someone says, your prayers are not welcome then you should review that in sincere humility and not force yourself or sorceries on them.
you can ask Jesus who "lives to ever make intercession for us" and who is our High Priest and Intercessor to intercede for someone or something you have an issue with. you can't coundel Him and He won't ever do your will.
who cares. really who the heck cares what hopefl's brother-in-law was teaching if she is not holy and full of love and good works. her attitude is not congruent with the Fruits of the Spirit. she is incorrectable from what is seen in her interactions with others, completely condescending, often spiritually manipulative and desperate to keep you on board to be her submissive apparently as no one else is stupid enough or off enough to do it. the word stupid is in the Bible and that is how it is being used here.
you do have an intent to judge that is why you posted a "grace oriented" message as a response initially. you were judging and you were "correcting".
do it if you want to, but please lady, don't lie and try to make anyone think you are pure as the driven snow.
let hopefl announce the name of her brother-in-law, unless "she" is carman masquerading as an avid fan and using the Name of the Lord to self verify the beatings and cursings lashed out so many times in posts that are so sick you can't read them without getting a headache and feeling queazzy.
they are best avoided really. |
promises_firm
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grace your connection to carman is self inflicted.
you are being false spiritually and have interjected yourself into his spaces for very self centered and certainly some sick reasons.
religious in some ways and spiritually off center. you always come back at people with how you were only trying to be like some virtuous love based seeker who has climbed so many mountains that now she is grateful to be able to walk upright. so why in his life and ministry? you are strange you know it and you try to make it look like your not.
how many times have you said you "were never coming to factnet again"? how this was bad for you? and what about the venom you have spued out self righteously against the prophetic and then at the same time proposed that you are authentically prophetic.
you really should go back and review your own words. is grace yours to give? it is the Grace of God that is sufficient. it's unmerited favor and it's undeserved love. is that yours to decide and to "give to others"? you are truly a "false queen" better known as jezebel.
let's ask hopefl's "brother-in-law" who is such a well known minister and so open that we can't know his name or church. is he like your husband, children and career and doesn't really exist quite the way you have described.
hopefl you sound so very very spiritual and are using the testimony of the goodness of God and how truly wonderful our Sheperd is and the Holy One of Israel to tell us how good "you are". that is using His Name in "vainity". you imitate yourself there by describing in your last sentence or so what you have done so many many times. and you had to add the goats and sheep thing to. only God knows who they are, just like only God knows the difference between tares and wheat. and He isn't telling until the end of time.
you won't be there helping the angels seperate the whole lot.
and grace, that's not "all your saying". none of us is perfect. and carman is none of your business really. your connection to him is sick and occult. ask God to forgive you for that and enjoy His grace as He leads you into relationships and places where you actually belong in Christ.
all of us are called and equipped to be like Him as we are covered by His grace, love others genuinely, keep His Commandments, walk in truth and legitimately follow and believe.
those are the most important things in the larger scope of things. |
grace2u
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Just glanced at your post. I believe there is a type of grace (not a Divine grace) but one that follows the grace of Christ that we can give.
Can I not give favour or gifts to those who may not merit them? It is not a saving grace and I would not claim it to be.
But I can show grace to someone that hurts me as you have done in your posts. I can give you the gift of not holding it against you from a personal standpoint.
You stated that I have some kind of connection with Carman - I suppose that is truth as members of the Body of Christ we are connected.
anyone is in a position to "judge your prayers" by your example and your fruit.
Not if they have not heard my prayers. You can judge the fruit of things that I do wrong but you cannot judge the fact that I am praying for you because you do not know the motive of my heart - which by the way is to obey God in this situation.
anyone has the right to resist and deflect from the prayers of a Christian who has proven to be a liar
Well then they may be resisting everyone's prayers.
if someone says, your prayers are not welcome then you should review that in sincere humility and not force yourself or sorceries on them.
Nope, I should do as the Bible says to do.
you do have an intent to judge that is why you posted a "grace oriented" message as a response initially. you were judging and you were "correcting".
I'm not sure what you are talking about but I suppose if I am in the wrong it is because I am only justified by Christ and just a sinner saved by His grace.
do it if you want to, but please lady, don't lie and try to make anyone think you are pure as the driven snow.
I feel like I have not done this but let people see my sins on many occasions.
you are being false spiritually and have interjected yourself into his spaces for very self centered and certainly some sick reasons.
How do you know this? Are you God? I came to these threads curious. Part of me (the carnal part) wanted to throw stones and part of me felt merciful. The battle between the carnal man and spiritual man. Yes, it is a sickness and one that everyone has to let God heal in them.
like some virtuous love based seeker who has climbed so many mountains
That's intereseting since I just told someone that God has taken me through some deep valleys but I was now beginning to feel that through faith I was reaching the mountains (of course through His work not mine).
Do you want to tell God that He cannot lead me out of the valleys into the mountain?
I will not tell Him that.
how many times have you said you "were never coming to factnet again"? how this was bad for you? and what about the venom you have spued out self righteously against the prophetic and then at the same time proposed that you are authentically prophetic.
Oh promises firm that isn't EVEN the half of it. I talked back to my mother really bad once when I was a teenager. I really, really was hurt by an individual and had more anger than I can even imagine to have toward you because they basically did the same thing as metaphorically "kill" a member of my family. You cannot imagine how ugly and black my heart has been.
But guess what? I am justified by Christ and Christ alone.
(Message edited by Grace2u on July 16, 2007) |
grace2u
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it's unmerited favor and it's undeserved love. is that yours to decide and to "give to others"?
Saving grace isn't but any unmerited favor and love that I can give to others is mine to give. It is a step toward reconciling with another and I will give it just as I would have that person give me an unmerited gift of forgiveness and love me as another brother or sister in Christ.
and grace, that's not "all your saying". none of us is perfect. and carman is none of your business really.
Again, how do you judge the motive behind what I say. Judging fruit is like judging the false words that you have posted. They are not true. You go back and look at my words and you will see that. That is fruit. And on that I am trying not to judge the motive behind why you have stated the false quotes that I did not say. I just understand that Satan is the father of lies and even if your motive is good you have listened to him and that is another reason I will pray for you.
Brothers and sisters in Christ are my business. I want reconciliation with them. I want to love them - not just Carman but all brothers and sisters in Christ. I'm sorry if you feel that this is occultic. I feel that it is what Christ commands.
(Message edited by Grace2u on July 16, 2007) |
grace2u
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On the hfl brother-in-law thing I suspect there are many brother-in-law's that are preachers. I appreciated hfl's post anyway.
On prayer there is no way around it - the Bible command's us to pray for one another. We are told to pray for our enemies. We are not told to not pray because someone feels or requests that we should not pray.
If the verse is there, please post it so I can learn this to.
Until then I will continue praying for you. |
grace2u
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An example of a human demonstrating grace - not Divine saving grace but human grace of forgiveness and love:
http://www.buy.com/prod/captured-by-grace-you-re-never-beyond-the-reach-of-a-loving-god/q/loc/106/31308749.html#prodInfoSec
Then select read a chapter.
(Message edited by Grace2u on July 16, 2007) |
grace2u
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OK . . . I've looked and looked and in the Bible I don't find the term "soulish prayers". I find directions on how to pray - i.e. that God's will be done and not our own though.
How do you know that I am not praying God's will be done? |
promises_firm
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did you find the phrase driver's liscense or fried chicken or obgyn? speeding ticket? plastic, polyester, hd tv? air conditioners?
how does sorcery and witchcraft and wrath and malice sound from Galatians? of the soul, you know? in the flesh? carnal? can you name a doctrine of a demon? vain imagination?
how about stage lights, dentist, concert, video, synthesizer or vaccination? |
grace2u
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Did you fine that verse in the Bible where we are not supposed to pray for others because they ask us too?
Again, as I said above I did find that we are to pray according to God's will which I suppose is what you are saying and again I'll ask . . . how do you know I am not praying according to God's will unless you have heard my prayer or know my heart?
You don't.
However, I am comfortable knowing that I am praying in this accordance and I'm also confident that as a child of God if I need to be course corrected that God will open my eyes.
On another subject - would you like to explain to me why you have changed my quotes and said that I said something I didn't?
Is that not manipulation and witchcraft and soulish? Or is it just a fruit of being deceived by the devil? I cannot judge the intent of your heart and whether you are manipulating purposely or whether you are saying what you think I said or perhaps had preferred me to say.
I find it interesting that you have not responded when caught in a lie? Let me pose your own logic for you to think about? You have been caught in the fruit of lying over and over again. No judging motive or the heart but actual judgment of your deeds. Can you ever be trusted again? |
hope_faith_and_love
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Regarding grace2u and Carman.....
I read a testimony by another woman who God had also appeared to be drawing to Carman's ministry. She like grace gave a testimony of how God has worked to transform her faith. She wrote about going through one endless battle after another. Some time ago I was also going through what seemed like another storm and I thought I just couldn't go through one more. But God told me that this is how He makes all things new again. Just as storms can wipe out an entire city and forces that city to be rebuilt stronger than before and more ready to withstand storms that once left it in ruins, God said He did this to me so that I could be stronger and withstand even the most violent storms that come against a believer's faith. I used to read the scripture about the man who built his house on the sand and the man who built his house upon the rock. I believed in Jesus Christ but God taught me that my house must be built by Him? God has built and then rebuilt my house on this Rock. God taught me that it isn't enough for believers to just set up a tent on the Rock, we also need Him to build up our houses as well.
Regardless of what promises_firm says to you grace.... when others would have run away a few weeks ago, you rushed forward to protect and to shield a friend. You were truly a friend. This reveals you truly belong to the Good Shepherd!
promises_firm, about g2u praying for you. Unlike some who I have witnessed here, God has put grace2u through the rigors of His refining so that she could learn his mercy and love and grace2u has held on to this understanding fiercely. She treasures it and guards it because this is what she values. So when she prays for you or for anyone else, it is done through love and mercy and the earnest desire for God's will to be done for that person as He did for her. It is not acceptable in the sight of God for those who belong to Him to be enemies with each other.
promises_firm, neither, grace2u nor I mean you any harm. My post above was written to remind us all of who Jesus Christ is... When I say "us all", I mean all believers regardless of what side of the fence we are on. Grace2u, God is by no means finished with you, you will be able to touch those who were perhaps on the opposite side of the fence. Satan has erected fences to keep believers divided, to keep us "fenced in", and to keep others out. But, Jesus Christ will remove these false fences.... God bless you. |
wingsaglow
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WOW! Just came in here after being gone a while.
I agree with HFL why are you attacking Grace2U? Grace is a friend of mine too, and I know who she is and she has fellowshipped with me on myspace. Ya know there is so much more to do than always cutting down another soul. It is like the dream I had where the sheep were all messy, and I couldn't clean them all. I needed help and ya know what I got it. Now I've more better things to do than read anymore of the slander on Grace2U to anyone else too. God's work is so much better than the negatives that so many live their lives in. promises_firm again I believe that you have come here under a new name, and that you are the same posters as many others just a changed name. You see that's where the difference is. At least with grace2U, HFL, and me everyone knows us, because we don't have to hide who we are. Our names are the same and mine has never been changed. If anyone has hurt you so bad that you feel this is your way of getting them back. Then the two wrongs does not make it right.... right? At least that's what it says in my Bible. So I too am not here to attack anyone even you, but to just say go about God's will and start helping the hurting, and being a friend to the friendless, a Mother to the motherless, a father to the fatherless. To start living a more positive life that glorifies God. I'll be the first to say that I aint perfect in no way, but at least that makes me human and down to earth. There is no gain in this constant bickering it just gets every poster no where, but only more anger from each response.
So all the best to all of you
As always
Wingsy
Have a great day g2u/hfl/and even this new named promises.... |
grace2u
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Regardless of what promises_firm says to you grace.... when others would have run away a few weeks ago, you rushed forward to protect and to shield a friend. You were truly a friend. This reveals you truly belong to the Good Shepherd!
You realize that this is not me but Christ living in me? I want to make that clear. The moment my carnal man tries to take over I can just as quickly rush forward and throw stones - EVEN if my intent and motive "seems" righteous in my own eyes.
So promises firm - I know where you have been. I've been there. I still slip back there occasionally. If anything what I am experiencing with you is reaping what I have sown probably.
That's ok. I realize just how far I miss the mark. My mouth can be like a babbling brook and I can't seem to say or do anything right. I know it is ok because I am justified through Christ but it hurts my heart that ever time I try to do something good or something to help another Christian - I seem to fail in my own actions.
Lord knows it is not for trying. But I also realize that this is why I need a Savior.
So know this Wings and HFL, when my carnal man rises up and I have behaved myself inappropriately - I am very sorry and still have tears today regarding this. |
grace2u
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Please ignore all my typos. (Lord, help me slow down)! |
wingsaglow
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Hey that's ok my carnal side rises up all the time. Don't be so hard on yourself ok?
Have a nice night |
grace2u
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I'll try. Thank you guys for being merciful to me when I have fallen in the past.
On another note, that "fine" in post # 281 is irritating me to no end - should be "find". |
hope_faith_and_love
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grace,
We all need spiritual tweaking at times. Something you wrote above about it was Christ living in you and you asked me if I knew this, yes, I do. I also know that so much of what promises_firm wrote to you was the fences that the devil had used in your life. But then I read your answer to her. Then God reminded me of Psalm 18:33, "He maketh my feet like hinds feet..." and it was Christ who made you leap over these horrible fences. Something else I saw of Christ in you, was your steadfastness about praying for promises_firm. The devil does not want you to pray God's will for her. The devil wants all of us to believe that he has someone where Christ cannot reach them, but you by faith held on to the Words of Jesus Christ and obeyed and prayed. This is a lesson for all of us to trust in Jesus' words. We can debate about words all we want, but you adhered to the simplicity of Christ's words, with your own changed heart of mercy, humility, and love. This is Christ in you and this is what Christ did for you and wants to do in all of us. |
grace2u
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HFL,
On my way back from church tonight, I looked down at a book that has a significant influence on my life right now. (No it cannot replace the Bible.) The book is "Captured by Grace".
And guess what the tagline is underneath the title?
"No one is beyond the reach of a loving God."
We may all turn away on our own but we are still within His reach. The choice is ours but His hand is on us desiring that we accept His loving grace.
What promises firm may not realize is this is just as much a test for me as it is for him or her. Satan wants me to get angry and it would be very easy to do this but God wants me to love this poster regardless of what is said or done. This isn't easy for me. Only Christ in me can do this and I need reminded that this is what God would have me to do.
But look at the journey and you will see God's loving grace teaching me of grace all the way - even in the symbolism that has occurred on the journey. (Although the Bible is complete we are living epistles). I was a Hillbilly and God took me to a place that would bring the number of grace in cinco de mayo and then that number had to take on more than just a number - it is slowly taking on an action.
Yes, grace - particularly Divine grace is unmerited favor; however, I have also heard grace called "love in action".
(Message edited by Grace2u on July 18, 2007) |
promises_firm
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when hopefl endorses someone, thats when you have to stand back and realize that any misgivings merited by their actions and psychology, that you may have or discernment about an essence of witchcraft in their lives and a pattern of lying, it just re-enforces the stance of seperation and caution.
wingsaglow, is another person who has demonstrated eratic and unstable behavior, dishonesty and the pomposity of arousing others to believe she speaks as or with authority. the three of you are similiar spiritually. self centered and with the use of scripture and God's name to "approve of yourselves" and to gain some form of control over the minds and if you can, the spirits of others.
the least innocent are grace and hopefl. wingsaglow comes in a close second, but there is something about her that is more real than the other two.
a double portion is for those who have been stolen from or who are receiving a reward. that's not just a gold ring hanging out for you to try to grab and take home. you have to merit that.
has anyone in hopefl's family ever had an argument with her acting like a spiritual authority or possibly copying her brother-in-law in speech syntax or style so she can impose on us that she is the 'pastor' figure or 'prophet figure' on the carman board at factnet?
when someone feels the need to speak ever so spiritually and condesendingly, you know its a compensation action. she has it memorized, but it doesn't feel or result in real edification. and she has honed her methods so that she doesn't seem like the ragey and hateful person she is. that's what the three of you have in common other than trying to make people think you are their authority figure in some way.
no way ladies, its only your personal sorcery and ego.
you have been taken to task for being false apostles or false prophets and other things. i agree with some of those confrontations or exposures and have discernment, real discernment from the Holy Spirit not the personal carnal spirit that likes to take His place, that you are angry controlling people who hide behind sanctimonious presentations and verbal overly spiritualized and narcissistic displays. |
promises_firm
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here's the defining factor. you all belong to the same denomination and practice the same doctrine. MEMYSELF&I the modern church of: believe my version of myself and let's pretend I am not rageful and not Christ like, but I make pretty and bold speeches ranging from aggressive to pompus to make it sound so.
really really like the way grace made a little poem about her deception and manipulation without saying that she is or does so. yes, its all cute and God doles out 'greasy sloppy all encompassing "grace"' no matter what you do and never requires real repentance, restoration that you have to perform and sacrifice to complete in humility, He just says, no problem and then takes hopefl to the Heavenlies while she sleeps, translating her into an inner sanctum and gives her the corrective and true creed for anyone that likes to come to factnet and bows or refuses to bow at the altar of her god.
Not Jesus, CARMAN.
wingsaglow is a media industry starr and leader. grace is who knows, even she doesn't know from week to week, and hopefl, she has the entire Bible memorized and is not self appointed and strangely dark in the middle of endoctrinating all, but is the new apostle who replaces paul in this current millineum. hopefl, do you write-post with your head covered?
grace do you and hopefl, know each other's actual names and real home addresses or the names and locations of your churches? who you submit to shows your spirit.
next week will be your last week, or this is now your "double portion" that "God" gave to you?
is hopefl interested in you because you tried to have a relationship with vada and used how "sorry you are" to gain access to her heart?
did vada put you through to carman, your ultimate goal?
when you three ladies are humble and discern as being repentant, clean and in right relationship to carman and others, then you may garner a communication. your complete lack of reality and humility about yourselves just spells out the term, abuser.
jezebel supports other jezebel spirits and for reasons of self aggrandizing and control.
when you say someday and mean it sincerely, that God convicted you and that you have changed; and it is obvious that it's true, then you will have the ear of those who don't manipulate, control and sheild themselves with God's amazing words.
any of you admit to being abusive and self centered? grace do you realize you are the only person, probably in the world who submits to hopefl?
do you like the way she validates and venerates you to keep you in her stable? you are creepy that is certain, but you are also sort of vulnerable and she knows how to manuever you.
really if you were hearing from the true Holy Spirit and actually serving the Lord Jesus Christ, from the heart, the three of you wouldn't be here. its fake spirituality, self called, witchy and it isn't about Him, its about you.
none of you are authorities on prayer or soul-ish witchcraft. suggestion: meet in person and go into the largest most well stocked Christian book dealer. find books by charismatic authors and real leaders, or maybe baptist and leaf through no less than five published authoratative works on the subject of prayer, jezebel and legitimate authority.
or just make it up as you go along.
have a nice life and repent deeply. put on the character of Christ and let your old one die.
"Be ye transformed".
if you won't name three well respected and trustworthy books on these subjects or actually give the name of a minister who you are submitted to, don't be dismayed- you won't have to hear from promises_firm.
you do have your own little cult forming you know. the three of you. most covens begin with just three. |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 66.16.49.113
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carman the same yesterday today and forever!
yeah that's his problem.
Lord Jesus, ONLY YOU are the Same Yesterday, Today and Forever. |
wingsaglow
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Posted From: 71.210.201.145
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Nope no cult here ROFLOL! Just bored and likes to play here. It's like my playground LOL! Heck I don't even know the guy, but you would like to maybe call me a liar on that too LOL! I'm just bored now and then so I come in here to play and tease. I'll also be the first to say that I'm not perfect. As a matter of fact I'm right down to earth and love a good laugh. Then when I get bored I come in here to read any new treats to toy with.
So spank you for all of the compliments as Wingsy bends over. So will you feel better if you spank me?
Go ahead let me have it babe, but then it's my turn and I'm a hard hitter (@% I can take what ever you want to dish my way, but I also love to play right back.
Oh and one more bit of happy info for you.....I also never follow others either. Their my friends or their not as for me I really couldn't care less, but as for the HFL, and Grace yup they've been friends and even we too have had our in the face moments LOL! still doesn't make us enemies nor are you mine unless you feel that way. I'm a down to earth in your face what you see is what you get lady who adores life and all that it has to offer. If that makes me a star then YIPPPEEE! Now where did I put that pen for signing my name on all of the fans books??? HMMM well must go then to find another one.
All my fans are waiting (@: |
hope_faith_and_love
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Posted From: 72.129.37.87
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wings,
I really do not want to cause friction between us, but what promises_firm does not get was that what grace2u has been revealing here is Christ's transformation in her life. It was Christ in grace2u that resisted anything that was not of Him in her. This is what God wants to do with you. You threatening to return promises_firms attacks with "then it's my turn and I'm a hard hitter" is what you must recognize that this kind of belief in yourself is what has caused you trouble. You cannot win for Jesus this way, in fact doing it this way will only make Him fight against you. I know you've gone through so much and I do not want to hurt you but I do not think you understand what grace2u is talking about when she said it was not her being a friend to you, but Christ in her. There is a difference in Christ's friendship and how we as sinners are friends. Christ loves us just as we are, but then demands we change and become like Him and the only way to do this is for Him to dwell in us richly-- but before He can dwell in us richly He cleans us up on the inside. Everything I've ever said to either you or grace was by God's leading. And it is through grace2u that God has taught me so much about trusting Him because in the beginning grace2u and I were on opposite sides of the fence and I got so worn out from God always having me to go head to head with her. At one point grace2u had gone through something with God and she had changed but God kept having me to press her and she would become so frustrated with me and I became so broken and resistant with God and what He was having me to do, because it was so painful for me, but God kept on and then more and more I started seeing the fence that separated grace and me come down. It is not that grace2u agrees with everything I believe, it is that she and I have shared Christ working mutually in us... this is what I am speaking of... nothing else matters but this. Grace2u and I both loved Jesus Christ with all our hearts, but it was a false fence that kept us apart. I could have been friends with her in myself and accepted as most Christians do to have a friendship founded on "less just agree to disagree" and get along, but Christ knew that there are fences that is separating believers and keeping us from being transformed. Grace2u is just an example of what Christ knew and a demonstration of what He wants to do. As believers we have come to accept the meeting over all the fences that keep us separated to share coffee and talk, much of it idle talk, but still so separate, but Christ isn't happy with this-- He has something better for us.
Wings, I'm very much like you, I am very, very loyal to my family and friends, but God demands that my loyalty be only to Him. This does not mean that I do not care deeply for people, it just protects me from going against God and His purpose. It is only this way that we can be as Jesus, who could remain faithful to God's purpose and be our friend. Jesus was friends with Peter, but when Peter's "loyalty" got in the way of Jesus fulfilling God's purpose by going to the cross, Jesus came down hard on Peter. It is only Christ in us who can keep us doing God's purpose even when our friends trying to help us get in the way. This is what God has been teaching me that its impossible to do this on our own, it must be Christ in us-- only then do we not let self get in the way. |
promises_firm
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Posted From: 66.16.49.113
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you are still worshipping carman hopefl.
you are still predicating what is right or wrong with grace based on her repentance about wanting to marry carman, based on witchcraft and false visions,(of which she has tried to dish out many of and defend them to the point of hating and raging like you)and her turn from attacking him and questioning him to being so guilty and insecure that she changed her position in a spirit of religiousity.
one of her family members died and she felt that was punishment for her anger with carman or was it that she realized that she was acting as a jealous rejected wife hopeful and then was embarrassed.
you will glue the name of Jesus on anything that you in all of your spiritual weirdness, want to relate to carman.
grace is not a peter to carman. she was never his disciple, (unless he is a cult leader and she is part of that cult) she was in his chat room wanting to marry him being mentally and spiritually off. her aggression was resisted and she was ousted. if you love God so much, then why are you so incredibly dishonest and distorted. you need more time in that inner sanctum. not really because it is a dream world that you go out of reality in and pretend to be a messenger of God. that's why this is on factnet in the first place. what you are doing, in the name of Jesus or not(which makes it worse)
is not created or sanctioned by Him. we know this whether or not you post another 200 posts full of Christian ideas and Bible verses according to you, because your foundation and your spirit is plainly wrong.
not a hard "see through" unless you are someone in the same kind of pathology and blind to yourself. then it all sounds good.
its really an oxymoron that you and she and even wingsaglow would post under this thread. because you ladies are not what it denotes.
as far as you all being friends. lol.
you don't know each other in real life and with real names and are not aware of who goes to what church or what the mental health status according to professionals really is.
everyone knows wingsaglow's name because it's on the web and on this board. but grace in all of her repentance and closeness to God and hopefl with her special intimacy, (mental patient speak) with God alone and her mission "in a christ", not really Jesus the Christ,
bwon't give their real names and church affiliation.
doesn't gel, well not in the way they think, but in another way it does.
hopefl, have you ever been married? share that part of your life with us. it's really relevant to your presence here, one way or the other.
does your preacher brother-in-law read all of your posts? how about your old ones way down at the bottom.
that's literally and figuratively.
(Message edited by promises_firm on July 19, 2007) |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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Tra la la la la bombardier this is the pilot speaking (Christ living in me)
And Ive got some news for you
It seems my ship still stands no matter what you drop
And there aint a whole lot that you can do
Oh sure the banner may be torn and the winds gotten colder
Perhaps Ive grown a little cynical
But I know no matter what the waitress brings
I shall drink in and always be full
Through faith my cup shall always be full
Oh I may not like coffee
And I may not like tea
Id like to be able to enter a final plea
I still got this dream that you just cant shake
I love you to the point you can no longer take
Well all right okay
So be that way
I hope and pray
That theres something left to say |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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But you
Why you wanna give me a run-around
Is it a sure-fire way to speed things up
When all it does is slow my anger down |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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You're big! I'm little.
My head only comes to your middle
But I say little guys can do big things too!
Thanks to a blues traveler who's lyrics I don't totally agree with but can see how God snuck some of His truths in as well as a small stalk of asparagus. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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Promises Firm
On another subject - would you like to explain to me why you have changed my quotes and said that I said something I didn't?
Is that not manipulation and witchcraft and soulish? Or is it just a fruit of being deceived by the devil? I cannot judge the intent of your heart and whether you are manipulating purposely or whether you are saying what you think I said or perhaps had preferred me to say.
I find it interesting that you have not responded when caught in a lie? Let me pose your own logic for you to think about? You have been caught in the fruit of lying over and over again. No judging motive or the heart but actual judgment of your deeds. Can you ever be trusted again? |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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she was in his chat room wanting to marry him being mentally and spiritually off. her aggression was resisted and she was ousted.
That's not true. |
grace2u
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you have been taken to task for being false apostles or false prophets and other things.
Oh is that right? Nope it is not.
Promises Firm
On another subject - would you like to explain to me why you have changed my quotes and said that I said something I didn't?
Is that not manipulation and witchcraft and soulish? Or is it just a fruit of being deceived by the devil? I cannot judge the intent of your heart and whether you are manipulating purposely or whether you are saying what you think I said or perhaps had preferred me to say.
I find it interesting that you have not responded when caught in a lie? Let me pose your own logic for you to think about? You have been caught in the fruit of lying over and over again. No judging motive or the heart but actual judgment of your deeds. Can you ever be trusted again?
grace do you realize you are the only person, probably in the world who submits to hopefl?
I don't submit to hfl. Do you realize how many times you tell untruths?
HFL and I have disagreed on another occasions even recently concerning Rachel. That doesn't mean that God is not working in our lives. It means that we are human.
(Message edited by Grace2u on July 19, 2007) |
grace2u
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I was ousted because I said that I thought Carman was being deceptive at the time and would not let it go. A judgment that I did not have all the facts to make. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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I have to ask Promises Firm how can you not be convicted by God when it is obvious to every reader here that you are getting caught by your own words and untruths?
Now who do you think is orchestrating all this? Surely you cannot think that any of us are capable of having such power and masterminding what has been and is taking place here.
I pray God's will for you. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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but what promises_firm does not get was that what grace2u has been revealing here is Christ's transformation in her life.
HFL, I couldn't have orchestrated all of this in my wildest dreams.
What you said about not being a hard hitter (not that I'm saying Wings has done this - I didn't notice) is true. Christ won the battle as the "Lamb of God". Just wish that I could get there where I didn't feel like I had to defend when someone says something I didn't say. Just wish I would look the other way and take it and not care. Well . . . God's not finished with me yet. |
wingsaglow
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Posted From: 71.210.201.145
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Yes I know that I too have done this, but after last night hearing that guy yelling at Carman while he was singing, and then being taken out...... That's why I have spoke up to those here who have come against the ministry. See it's one thing not to like this ministry or Carman, but then it's another to be a crazy nut acting on their twisted mind with actions to match. I would have arrested that nut too if I was there and handed him right over to the law for charges, and a restraining order to be put on him asap. I also would have more security officers in any place that's he's singing at. Due to messed up people just like that.
Yeah I'm a hard hitter, but I also have taken my lumps too. It just went with the territory.
Have a good day grace2u/hfl |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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Wings,
I doubt that any of us here hasn't hit hard but we are learning and God is not finished with us yet. And in the end it is the lamb that was slain and won the battle. A lesson for all of us.
OK guys, I am going to try to take a break from here. Not for any reason except that I want to do so. If God brings me back - I'll be back.
In Christ, |
giulia
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Username: giulia
Post Number: 29
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 61.68.161.43
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I am soooo tough that when my stockings see my foot coming, they run!
And I hit so hard that when I hit something I hardly get land it. |
giulia
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Posted From: 61.68.161.43
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The first one is funny har har, even if I say so myself.! The second is sharp, sharp as a bowling ball!!!!!
Seriously, I get embarrassed to hear you go on some time, embarrassed for you.
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promises_firm
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Posted From: 70.169.30.35
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getting kicked out for saying he was being deceptive? you were right then and aren't now?and that is cult behavior on their part. besides it was more than that. try being more honest.
all he had to do was assure you or anyone and not react in pride or some ridiculous and what many would think is abusive, way.
besides who kicked you out vada or nancy?
a minister would be patient and understanding and reassure. and what is your distortion on something being masterminded? paranoid much?
you submit to manipulative religious words and egos, but you are suspicious of anyone who is just being honest? that's not good mental health grace.
and for wingsaglow, why arrest someone? why not counsel them? we are not of the world right?what guy was yelling? did he have a gun or did he want to harm someone? were you there? was he just a heckler or unstable emotionally? if Jesus was praying or preaching and that happened what would He literally do? call the Roman guard?
and once again as from the many things said to you, you seem to be equating yourself with carman. not reality hopefully your will realize that someday.
who is twisting grace2's words. her words are plain. grace do you feel carman is ever deceptive? and if you do, should you say something or is that a proverbial no no?
do you think that people come here each day and night like you? ever think that your comments and defenses or whatever it is you are trying to do, doesn't merit a response or the time to do so?
God's Will is being done in my life.
And He won't change a thing due to you or anyone here.
may God's will be done in your life by you leaving carman's spaces and getting on with your real life.
can you im carman and tell him to stop the promotion of Italiano as though it's better. it;s unique but it's not holy. so should black people on tbn say i'm glad your black and should an irish guy say he is sorry for being not being black, like the athelete apologized for not being italian tonight on tbn.
carman, is your italian in the way of your Christian? |
promises_firm
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getting kicked out for saying he was being deceptive? you were right then and aren't now?and that is cult behavior on their part. besides it was more than that. try being more honest.
when will you clarify the truth about your life and your dark fantasy about marrying carman and renounce the false prophecies and occult or soulish dreams-visions that you told people about?
all he had to do was assure you or anyone and not react in pride or some ridiculous and what many would think is abusive, way.
besides who kicked you out vada or nancy?
a minister would be patient and understanding and reassure. and what is your distortion on something being masterminded? paranoid much?
you submit to manipulative religious words and egos, but you are suspicious of anyone who is just being honest? that's not good mental health grace.
and for wingsaglow, why arrest someone? why not counsel them? we are not of the world right?what guy was yelling? did he have a gun or did he want to harm someone? were you there? was he just a heckler or unstable emotionally? if Jesus was praying or preaching and that happened what would He literally do? call the Roman guard?
and once again as from the many things said to you, you seem to be equating yourself with carman. not reality hopefully your will realize that someday.
who is twisting grace2's words. her words are plain. grace do you feel carman is ever deceptive? and if you do, should you say something or is that a proverbial no no?
do you think that people come here each day and night like you? ever think that your comments and defenses or whatever it is you are trying to do, doesn't merit a response or the time to do so?
God's Will is being done in my life.
And He won't change a thing due to you or anyone here.
may God's will be done in your life by you leaving carman's spaces and getting on with your real life.
can you im carman and tell him to stop the promotion of Italiano as though it's better. it;s unique but it's not holy. so should black people on tbn say i'm glad your black and should an irish guy say he is sorry for being not being black, like the athelete apologized for not being italian tonight on tbn.
carman, is your italian in the way of your Christian? |
grace2u
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Username: grace2u
Post Number: 312
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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For reasons you will not understand (and I do not owe you an explanation - I came back here tonight).
I don't have a clue who kicked me out. Ok - I was kicked out because I said Carman was being deceptive and I was gossiping. Telling what I believed to be true from my perspective when I couldn't see the whole picture then nor now and neither do you. And this as been put under the blood of Jesus (not yours)so it is FINISHED.
Not only is it finished but God is using it for good! He is the mastermind (don't know what you meant by me being paranoid - I said that to praise God for his ability to mastermind despite of humans).
But let's talk about this for the sake of argument - let's say that I thought I believed that I was a prophet and I thought that I was supposed to marry Carman and I went all over the chat room chasing him or acting this way, etc. etc. Or let's say that I thought he was a bad person and I went around the chatroom acting like you here on Factnet - DOESN'T MATTER - Doesn't matter because it is under the blood of Jesus and only those listening to the father of lies would be running around the Internet trying to accuse Christians for what is under the blood.
I think that is sad.
Now -
I have no need to say anything for you or anyone else here to put under yours or anyone else's blood.
Get over it - I will not make you my lord.
PERIOD.
Guess I must be doing something right and so must Carman because there is certainly a messenger of satan going around to buffet us and try to find our past sins and then throw them up to us.
Like I said - keep it up! You are making my faith stronger and stronger every time! Praise the Lord!
And I don't fill convicted by God) (which is not equal to you} to denounce anything. So anything that I said that you seem to think I need to denounce stands firm and that's a promise!
In my prayers as always . . . maybe one day we can honor and glorify God by looking completely at Him and not Carman, Carman's mistakes, my mistakes, your mistakes, or anything else - Just Him. Knowing that it is God that does the circumcision of the heart. |
wingsaglow
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Posted From: 71.213.153.180
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HMMM my comment is being traine as I have. If anyone comes into a place and makes themselves known by heckling an artist. Doesn't matter who it is they will be arrested. Now days if anyone is in fear for their life and no I didn't have to be there to hear it live on TV. So lets then turn this around and it's you trying to sing.... Then out of the blue a wacked out guy is yelling at you.
1.You make sure that you watch his every move.
2. Do you know if he came in with a weapon?
3. Do you protect the people that are around him if he does?
What is your reaction knowing that his anger is directed right at you, and you're still trying to maintain your cool and keep on singing.
Would you be happy to have security to take him out quickly?
Or are you going to pat him on the back and ask him if he'd like prayer for his anger?
Now remember it's now your life that's up there when this guy is spewing his venom at you.
Wouldn't you like to feel safe knowing that security is there to protect you?
Or again would you try to go and give that man a hug?
From my training it is to remove the problem before it exculates, and above all protect the artist and the people as quickly as we can.
Yes I would have arrested him as soon as he was removed for being a posible danger to that artist and even the people around him.
I also would insist on a restraining order asap again to protect the artist.
Too many lives are snuffed out from an anger that is not taken under control. So before you jump on my work. Put your own life up on that stage. Then you'd also be thanking God above that security was on the ball and doing their job in protecting you while you're doing yours...... As for also having a hooker former I might add on his show. Way to go Carman for reaching the lost. Even if one hooker saw your show tonight and got saved then keep it up. |
wingsaglow
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Posted From: 71.213.153.180
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HMMM what would Jesus do? Well if it was back in that day and age....... and not at this exact present day where sin is a dily murdering somebody song.....
Then with just a look Jesus could calm the storm. he had a power within himself to even walk on the water.
Now back to this day and age.
Can you stop a bullet with just a look?
Can you also walk on the water?
Yeah I thought so. It's easy for you to talk, because you were not the one he was spewing at.
We live in a day and age that if I tried to councel every gang member that has been arrested. They'd just get their brothers to blow my brains out, and unlike me being a human in this age of sin that abounds daily.
Unless you can actually walk on that water.
Or with just a look calm the stormy seas.
Then you're just as batty as he is. To me it doesn't matter if it was Carman, or Julia Roberts the safety still remains the same.
To keep the artist and the public safety first and foremost.
So if you care so much for the yeller then why don't you go and give him a hug and councel him? but I'd also wear a bullet proof vest too. Ya just never know when an uncontrolled temper tantrum can take you out. Unless you have mind control.
Also as for equating yourself with carman, nope again it's always people like you who do it for me so thank you for always thinking that way, but you couldn't be farther than the truth. |
grace2u
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Post Number: 316
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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PF -
It is God's will for me to overcome the accusations of satan through Christ thrown out by those like you that are listening to his lies. and if it brings me to boards related to Carman because you sit here and keep accusing so be it.
Perhaps when you no longer speak satan's accusations against me - you will not see me in such places.
That my friend is excellent mental health - the ability to defeat the lies of satan through Christ!
And that burns you and satan up because my mental health is sharp and secure!!! |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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Or perhaps you have been trying to push me over the edge mentally all along? Don't see that to be of God. Glad I got the appropriate authorities involved in this for a record. 
Just another indication of whose words you are listening too. The very fact that you want to make me feel like I'm insane speaks volumes. I will not be as generous as HFL here. Christ can overcome in all of our lives though and we can all learn to ignore the lies of satan. |
grace2u
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Posted From: 70.178.195.217
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Oh and I have faith that God will deal with the situation with such harassment.
But if God needs to use the authorities - well the stage has been set. |
hope_faith_and_love
New member
Username: hope_faith_and_love
Post Number: 10
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.129.37.87
| | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 11:57 am: |
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grace,
I do believe that pf was deliberately trying to hurt you mentally and its because Satan was behind this... But even as Satan was behind what pf was trying to do to you, at the same time Satan is trying to destroy pf. So much violent hatred spilling out reveals what Satan is doing to pf's mind and spirit. Hatred bound up in an individual this way is torment, but they can't see it. That is why those who Jesus has set free understand that our healing came by the supernatural power of forgiveness when we by faith obeyed Christ's words-- and we did not lean into our own corrupted understanding as pf is doing. Satan doesn't want us to forgive, he wants us to hang on to the pain. He wants us to open ourselves to bitterness. If you've ever felt bitterness, remember how it felt... It is this that torments a person and then Satan drives them to act on this and once someone does, then it may be too late and they may have destroyed their future or another person's future forever. That's why we must pray for those like pf, because Satan not only wants them to destroy themselves but he wants use them to destroy others. There have been other people who sounded like pf, but they were lucid. More and more it seems pf is replaying the same broken and scratched record over and over. The record was once used by others but they have gone away because they are capable to see that what they were doing failed, but pf seems to be incapable of seeing this and so for pf there is no peace.
You wrote that pf was trying to make you feel insane. I learned that "feelings" are not to be trusted. The Bible teaches us to guard our hearts with all diligence. In other words guard against the feelings we experience by comparing these feelings to the Word of God and resisting feelings that go against God's Word. Not all our feelings come from us, just as not all of our thoughts come from us. But, Satan camouflages feelings and thoughts so that they appear to be us.
Twelve years ago I went through an experience of someone hurting me so bad mentally and emotionally and wouldn't stop. The thing I remember the most is more than having to fight against what they were doing to me was that I had to fight against a bitterness that kept wanting to "control" me and make me act out. What would happen is the person would hurt me and then memories would be played over and over in my mind... Each time I was hurt, then came the memories flashing through my mind. The painful memories and what I had felt went all the way back to my childhood and the years that followed. And there was a pain that kept driving me to act! Act to harm myself or to do something foolish. I knew that this is why this person was doing what they were doing to me. They wanted to provoke me because they didn't have anything on me, so they had to create something. This person and Satan were working together to destroy my life. I knew this because this is what God's voice was helping me to see in the midst of Satan trying to block God's voice with "feelings". I remember I kept crying out to God to save me. That time was so painful, but now I understand Satan tried to overwhelm me with feelings in an attempt to destroy my future and what God had planned for me. I now know people must fight bitterness or it will consume them and prevent them from fulfilling God's purpose for their life. Look at pf... She keeps talking about your life grace, but you are moving forward and God is transforming you. And each experience you undergo just makes you that much more useful to God to help others.
grace, I want to see you completely free from the effects of anyone who comes after your mind again. When I read pf's writings I feel pity because they are losing a battle when they could live in victory in Christ. |
grace2u
Intermediate Member
Username: grace2u
Post Number: 319
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 70.178.195.217
| | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 1:16 pm: |
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Thank you hfl.
It is obvious to me that pf has been given bits and pieces of the truth perhaps from gossip. But the funny thing is he/she cannot hit it on target.
I did feel the the attacks of the demonic perhaps from any occultic thing that needed to be removed in my life or just those things which were of an attack of satan. That is the only think I can confess regarding this and I have put everything I can think of under the blood of Jesus. But he/she is twisting this to make my dreams (very few things I would consider visions) demonic.
If they are demonic God has not revealed them to me and if anything that have been used in the process of circumsizing my heart so she/he will not hear me denounce these and any thing that satan tried to use (if he could) in this forum God defeated and turned around to use for good.
I think it is very odd that she is concentrating on me sooo much. Way too odd. Just confirms that God has a work for me in my mind. Maybe a little work and maybe it is just here on this board. I don't know.
Yes what PF doesn't know is that I have failed but I fell forward into the future that God hold's for me. Everything she wants to throw at me that is true - I am just placing around me as a fortress and using the stones that way.
But honestly, there are a number of stones that I don't know what to do with because they are innaccurate statements - maybe these are just extra blessings to use. Meant for harm but to be used for good.
HFL - I totally understand your story about feelings etc. and I feel like I have experienced it too but many things too I have brought upon myself - I will not deny that. PF is right in the fact that I am a sinner but I do have a Savior.
Again, not planning on camping out here too much but let me state this:
PF if you want me to confess that I told people (or even thought) that the Lord told me to marry Carman and told me to leave my husband, you will never get that confession.
I cannot confess what I have not said.
If you will go back through the archives you will see exactly why I can stand firm on saying this.
It aint going to happen.
I've done a lot of stupid things that have been put under the blood. I'll admit that. They are under the blood and I don't feel that I need to confess everything to you because you are not the Lord.
But I will not say that I had soulish or occultic dreams or visions. I don't believe that I have and if I have the thing to do would be to pray for me that God would reveal that to my heart. What I do have is a peace about where I am with this.
OK - falling forward to better things! |
carle
New member
Username: carle
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 172.166.109.250
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 9:18 am: |
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promises_firm
STOP IT!!!!!!!!!! STOP trying to tear down the greatest talent that God has ever placed on this earth. You are so wrong in the things you say about C. He has done more to save the human race than all the other people together. Besides that, he is so hot. I get chill-bumps everytime I see or hear him. I would love to be his wife. It would be heavenly.
Just stop tearing him down and anyone that supports him. He has to have money to live, let him get the money wherever he can. I will support him no matter what he says or does.
Carle |
promises_firm
Junior Member
Username: promises_firm
Post Number: 26
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 68.13.216.63
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:53 pm: |
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no one except wingsaglow and the mysterious leader from her own self imagined mars hill, cares grace.
you are in carman's "life" only for ego control and extreme emptiness reasons. you have no calling to him, and the women who are cheering you on do not hear from God about you or for you.
there were other people here from posts listed as far back as a year or more who had discernment about it not being good for you to be in this mix and they heard from God when praying innocently. you are feigning the voice of God through you and being "led" and "pastored" by a person who is neither a leader of any type or a pastor.
do you think that is godly? stable? in the Spirit?
one moment you are intellectualizing and qualifying and defending, the next you are leaving and never coming back, then suicidal and then a prophet with prophetic dreams and visions for or about carman, then you are desperate victim asking for people to chime in and back you up and then you are a ragey, hostile, dominator who lashes out.
and how does being on carmans factnet thread heal you or anyone? you should not be here for a number of sound and normal and additionally spiritual reasons, in regard to your own health and the spirts of others.
why do you place your trust and adulation in someone like hf? because she is like you but is better at hiding some of her crazy parts? oh they are there, you just have to go back to some posts when you all first came on board.
do you honestly think that carman would be accepting of you and speak with you personally if he knew the full picture of you not only here but at home?
can you tell wingsaglow, that no one said there was anything wrong with having a saved and healed, former sex worker who has a legitimate testimony on Christian tv. does she read better than she seems to spell?
i doubt carman gets chill bumps when he sees carle, but then carle is doing that on purpose.
something about her makes a point and thats the point.
grace, do you know hf's real name and phone number? or what church she and her sister belong to? how many friends she actually has and why she takes a train to santa barbara but doesn't drive there? do you like the way she has done the magic art, the sorcery of fine tuning her approach and religious language to appear different and yet "maintain" control over the people who post here? and she is well on her way to heaven just for defending the very ideas about carman.
did you know that you don't really even need Jesus as long as you have carman? |
promises_firm
Junior Member
Username: promises_firm
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 68.13.216.63
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:49 pm: |
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did you ever think that your anger and control issues, and they are really a problem and an abuse issue from you, are at similar levels in carman's private life?
is that what subconsciously attracted you to him? levels of insecurity, blustering religiousity and anger and control and rage if you can't have control?
some of you are like him and that's why you defend him. most of what he does is somehow a defense of himself. does he think that he is a narcissist? does he think that it's okay as long as he can draw a crowd, make em laugh and creatively demonstrate some of the truths in scripture?
why you treat him like a dawg mister? is that what this is?
what do you think of the tbn announcer slurring, but getting it out because he was told to, introducing carman as "pastor".
he adamantly denied being a minister in 1997-2000, verbally saying he was a singer who went out before the ministers to prepare the people for what God was doing.
that was when he wore his gold disc necklace that was so incredibly cheezie. he has said many times that he is a performer not a minister.
yes, we know he got liscensure from his pal carlton, but in some denominations he wouldn't be able to call himself that, since his vegas marriage and divorce.
why did he have frank stallone on. not focusing on frank, but on carman's motives? his inner motives that is. guilt about how he took over his whole family system and was the huge item in every way, people relocating, people changing careers, people getting his mentality, catering to his ego and temper and control and insecurities and treating him like a celebrity......wait.....is he a pastor or a celebrity?
it wasn't due to frank's amazing testimony.
did you hear anything about God in that interview, or just about how carman was introduced by one international celebrity to another's brother and then went to his wealthy extremely famous brother's house to watch pay per view?
are his motives to tell us that sly likes him and doesn't begrudge him the plagerisim of the movie and all of that?
with carman, he looks like he is always doing something for Jesus, but is he really always doing something for himself and centers it on Jesus and the things of Jesus? is he like Jesus?
does he base his decisions great and large on the teachings and mandates of Jesus?
does he let "this mind be in him that is in Christ Jesus"?
is there something with him, that very few would detect that drains the anointing off of people who he feels the least bit less than or challenged by? can one ego maniac see the ego mania in him?
ever notice how peoples eyes darken after spending time with him and they look hurt at the end?
and how he brings things around to hollywood and acting as though that is the most important thing to be focusing on, and oh yeah, Jesus too, He's cool, but let's get back to acting (so directs carmy).
hey, why was he watching prince videos when he was saved and becoming a pastor? he tells us through example that it's okay to include defiling worldly unclean things in our lives as long as we what? what? does he need to read the Bible? has he ever read the entire Bible?
shouldn't you have to do that at least twice, be tested and be living it, really living it, to be a pastor?
has he ever accused someone of being of the devil when they were in fact, of and anointed by Jesus?
anyone have chill-bumps now? the words sprits was supposed to be "spirits" above.
doesn't he really wish deep within that the announcer would say:
heeeeeerrrrrressssss Carrrrmy the greatest actor singer celebrity of all time in all history. |
wingsaglow
Junior Member
Username: wingsaglow
Post Number: 26
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.213.153.180
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 9:39 pm: |
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You love using my name so much behind your fake name just cracks me up. I at least do not hide here and you know me so come and gitt ittt! Chicken!
ROFLOL!!!!
Thanks for busting me up laughing at you....
Makes my day so much better just seeing my winsaglow name in almost every post you have mae here LOL!
I also know that everytime a new name pops up it's just another same pop tart from the past postings, but under new names once again.
Same old freaks from before..... U just wanna be his play toy that's all. While others like myself just like his music cause unlike you I just don't know him. Now ifin I listened to all of the dung that you keep spewing from your mouth.... Then maybe new saved souls would back slide.... You must feel so high and mighty to try and belittle everyone else who does not fall for your sick minded vomit.
Sure he may not be perfect, but heck neithre am I and I'd also say oviously neither are you.
Why don't you just get a blow up toy and put his name on it and ah spell it like this: Carrrrmy so you'll know who it is.
ROFLOL! I love laughing at you for being the same nut that you've always been. Also with the same dung same gossip haven't ya got anything other than gossip to speak about? You're so old news..... and still a joke. |
promises_firm
Junior Member
Username: promises_firm
Post Number: 32
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 68.13.216.63
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uh, nothing about carman is a toy fantasy.
we definitely know that you are not perfect.
did the Jesus that your pastor vowed his life to, counsel you to say things like nut freak and blow up toy? dung? sick minded vomit?
your mind and spirit need to come on up out of the gutter.
fake name? no. a posting name with a godly purpose. you on the other hand have a mystical goofy name that leans heavily on the side of new age mumbo jumbo.
you posted, and so you are open for postings about you. you can dish it out but you can't take it. so you have kids right? do you tell them to act like bullies and talk like sick lower class abusers?
ROFLOL.
and how old did you say you are? and what is the type of church you attend?
how is carmy any of your business wingsy?
Jesus doesn't really think of me as a joke but you can receive whatever is coming your way for saying it. how do you know what blow up toys are?
so every new name is the girl who was your "friend" who didn't get to marry carman and is bitter?
sorry chicken girl, there are some women who don't want to marry carman. really there are. and for good reason.
some don't like his jezebel dynamics that he wouldn't evah begin to look for in his own spirit and his influence. now there's a chicken for you!
he can always wake up and repent and maybe you can too with a lot of grace and intercession.
uh also, typing your name is a pain and it's kind of stupid spiritually, so no, there's no love there.
love you though because you are born again.
at least it's possible. sometimes it seems like it. but then a person's words reveal their heart and your heart is lookin pretty nasty and gutteral right about now.
have fun laughing at me. apparently you have a very mundane and empty life to be entertaining yourself and being a mocker. i can't be old news because this is not an old post, but you are just...old. and your retorts...those are definitely jokes. your words are really seasoned with love and bring light to darkness and give life and make the way straight and help heal and break off hinderances.
maybe your brain is oxygen deprived and not functioning on all cells, from your huffing and puffing and blowing up the dolls you keep around to pretend you have friends that don't want to marry carman? your posts are so, well, just so, uh, well...gross crass dumb and rude?
when I pass you by during the Rapture, i will wave.
Jesus freak to be sure!!
and i can't marry carman as least not in the state where i live.
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wingsaglow
Junior Member
Username: wingsaglow
Post Number: 29
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 71.213.153.180
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So then let me get this straight..... You come here and post new postings claiming that Carman is going to go blind and saying that two demons are going to do this? Then you claim to say that you are so righteous before God to pass a curse on his very eyes?
Yeah let me know your real name then and not hiding behind fake names and fake curses on a man that's covered by the blood.
What cause you didn't get your way with him you now pass on a curse on his very eyes?
Yeah I'm at least solid and not telling you idle curses that may come right back on you.
As for not marrying him then if you are a man.... Then you really are just a boy, and ah also where I live calling it like I see it is a daily life.
Being rude to a person who passes curses on another soul, and claiming even to the two demons that will do it..... Yeah you're a nut!
A fruitcake, and a real piece of silly putty always picking up dirt off of every newspaper clipping. Then trying to stretch yourself for all to read the dung.
Hey if the shoe fits.......
Again I'm not hiding behind a fake name here and trying to clarify it for everyone else like you are.
You have called HFL out here yet hide yourself???
Yeah you're a nut! and fake!
I'd also say it to your face so ifin ya ever met me just let me know by saying PF and I'll still laugh right in your face.
Then I'll rebuke you and pray God's covering over my eyes in case you start spewing your curses, rants, and ravings at me LOL!
And ahhhh does your pastor know about your cursing Carman's eyes with blindness and demons????
Yeah I thought not. |